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    Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Junior, I thought I’d pick up your thread, since I think you meant to address your question to me. Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles is described in the FIGU shop as: "53 Manuskripte, in denen Billy über das Sinn-, Würde- und Wertvolle spricht und wie dieses im menschlichen Leben verwirklicht wird.“ "53 manuscripts in which Billy speaks about that which is sensible, honorable and worthwhile, and how these are actualized in Human life." I think this is one of Billy’s best, and some of these chapters have already been reproduced elsewhere, like in the bulletins, pamphlets, etc. Of course Melli’s (English) terms are not used here, but it certainly covers some of those areas of interest. There’s a new translation linked off of here www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm that deals with some of these insoluble translation difficulties, which I have a bit to add to in the next couple of days. Salome, Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2004 |
hey Dyson, Ooops, i don't know how i got to think that melli was the one sending the post. any way thanks for the reply and the link... Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 09-2004 |
Hello everybody! Could you please look at these definitions of mine? I would not say they are complete in any way, because of my limited understanding, but I would very much appreciate if you could give me some respons on it.  They are part of my website freewebs.com/haavardro "Here I'll try to give some definitions on words I am about to use in my future writings: CREATION -Natural laws in action -Being with a purpose TRUTH -Can be mistaken to be belief -Can be proved, is existent KNOWLEDGE -Commence from/result of the truth -Transforms into wisdom WISDOM -The experience/learning of knowledge into action -The knowledge of the consequence of a certain action SPIRIT -A certain immortal part of the conciousness -All beings bears within a fraction the Universal Spirit -Timeless, pure, the creative within the material universe EXISTENCE -A result of Creation, including natural laws with an ultimate purpose -The opposite of Creations sleep/Non-existence REINCARNATION -Ensuring the improvement of the immortal spirit, by gathering information from the being(s) of coarse-matter -In effect as long as there is need for experience from the material universe. The spirit has not yet become self-concious, as it needs about 60-80 billion(milliard) years to finish the coarse-matter manifestation/dwelling. -A process needed for thinking/behaving entirely logical, as the spirit(part of creation) is entirely logical. Thus, the more a being thinks logical, the more it uses the power of the spirit. -A human will never become an animal in the next life f.ex LOGIC -A result of the spirits existence in the brain -Uses knowledge to transform into wisdom -Conciously examines everything in accordance with natural laws -A pathway to spiritual perfection KARMA -A relatively outdated religious concept -The law of cause and effect -A rule concerning the material world -Has nothing to do with reincarnation" | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Dplotmach Your efforts are commandable and an expression of wanting to learn and develop yourself which I can relate to. All of us have our own ways and methods to facilitate in our learning of the truth in one way or another and this is such example you gave in the way you learn. Dplotmach, just be sure to stay in correct definition and meaning as its presented by FIGU, otherwise you may distort its true meaning and purpose as it isn't easy to understand fully without effort. Anyway good luck with your endeavours peace be with you | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Dplotmach, Yes. I also think your efforts are commendable, but … where do I start? Words! Words! Words! Most of these terms have no adequate German language equivalent! I wish I had the time to help more, but suffice to say that – in my limited and far from perfect understanding - you are close with some and way off with others. Trying to get to the truth of the matter in English is like trying to understand the contents of a thick book by reading the cover notes. You simply will not succeed. Billy's (English-language) booklet "49 Question and Answers" should be helpful. Best, Dyson | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 09-2004 |
Well, hehe. Then it's just easier to quit the whole thing. I you took a look at my website, you would find out that I'm under a phase of learning. I do not claim to have the answer on all things. I do not know german yet, so it's hopeless to know everything. It seems one can not trust the English translations then, after what you've said. So what is the point in translating them? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Dplotmach hey man don't forget about billy's advice check out www.gaiaguys.net/49directives.htm, www.gaiaguys.net/meierv7p22-32.htm. Think for yourself why, despite any translation from German to other languages being inadequate, why we desperately need the translations. There are small proportion of German speakers compared to the world population. The message has to be spread as far and wide as possible needing more and more people to know about the truth. So what if the spiritual teachings from German to other languages cannot be translated with the right coding, the timeless truths is nonetheless so overwhelmingly necessary and you could just feel for yourself how much we need it and how useful it really is, taking into consideration all the remifications on a personal and world wide level. You could understand the translation anyway and see the enormous positive effect it's having in your life. This may inspire you to learn the German language. Keep trying Dplotmach, you may come to see how rash your question was. peace be with you | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 09-2004 |
Ofcourse I want the material to be translated into English! That's what I actually meant. But one have to be able to trust them in some way, it seems one is more wrong the more one tries to understand things, according to gaiaguys. Very frustrating. Then I reckon one should just leave the case to find things out oneself. Can't say it is especially nice to say one is "close to some, far from others". Exaggerated "harsh language" I think. I've just tried to figure out things myself. And if that is not acceptable, one should just give a damn. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Dplotmach, I can well empathize with your frustration and irritation, and I don’t enjoy telling people that they are wide of the mark when so much sincere effort has gone into something like your word list. But let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Words, of course, embody ideas, and ideas are made up of other ideas, etc., so they all must work together in order to allow us to accurately understand something. This is even more the case with such new and difficult concepts as are often represented by the renewed teachings of the spirit, which – I remind you – have been very deliberately obscured (for a long long time) very specifically within the English language (in so far as I can ascertain). But although, admittedly, the kodex is missing, and although there are certainly many English-language words/ideas that do not perfectly express the German-language originals, the amount of information that does get through seems to be more than adequate to start to engage those of us with sufficient curiosity, drive, motivation, etc., to eventually dig deep enough to claim the buried treasure. For instance: let’s say that the original German stated that “I drove to the city”, but the best I could do in English was, “I went to the city.” Although you may never find out how I got there, at least you know where I went, and that’s better than nothing. Similarly, many of our unofficial translations (which just yesterday were approved of, as such, by Billy pesonally) deal with non-spiritually-related matters that are much easier to do accurate translations of. Science is easy. I was struck by our friend Norm’s recent comment on the forum’s translations page, where he mentioned the difficulty that even a native German speaker has with this important work. First, the material has to be well understood at a very holistic level, then BOTH languages must be well understood. Even the most intense book-learning cannot substitute for the sort of experience I was fortunate enough to have when I was stationed with the military in Stuttgart for 3 and a half years. German – like English – is an idiomatic language and the contact notes also contain some obscure vernacular, and a bit of slang. And just because I can’t assist you more just now with your word list does not mean that all your efforts were in vain. Your list will remain on the FIGU board. People will find it and maybe someone will be able to devote some time to it as ever more people have the scales fall from their eyes. I seem to have somehow forgotten to upload the glossary of FIGU-related terms that was done last September by … um … as soon as I remember or somebody reminds me, he’ll get the deserved credit! :-) It’s up the top @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm I hope it can be of value and assistance. BTW, I searched your nick, but still couldn’t find your website. (And we are ALL students here, my friend. That’s what it’s all about.) Salome, Dyson Hi Dyson, I think your thinking of Jacob who put the list of FIGU related terms together. | ||
Tony New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2006 |
hi all, I'm ever so glad I recently found out about billy meier and the spiritual teachings and I'm looking forward to studying them and implementing them in my day to day life. I do have a problem and I'm hoping that someone could help me or enlighten me with my situation. I've been using drugs (amphetamines) for the past five years and would like to know if this would have done any permenant or long term damage to my pysche which would have an affect or restrict me getting the most out of the spiritual teachings. Is there any foods or medicenes that I could take which would be beneficial to me? I'm also still addicted to amphetamines and are having trouble stopping too, so if anyone has any advice they could offer me to help me get off this drug problem, I would be in great appreciation to them. Thanks | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 03-2004 |
Tony, There are some effective holistic treatments for addiction. Dr. William Hitt has been doing intravenous vitamin and amino acid therapy for years with great success. His website is at: http://williamhittcenter.com You can read about his addiction treatment on the appropriate link on the left side of the webpage. I would also think that Body Restoration Technique could potentially help with addictions. You can read about BRT at: http://www.bodyrt.com Tony, where are you located? I might be able to recommend a doctor depending on what area you're in. Namaste, Hunter | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, I wanted to share my experience of progressing in the case of Billy, I have finished reading the OM a few days ago. Although my German language is not that professional I was able to understand quite a lot, but unfortunately not every thing, it will surely take me some time to understand every thing in detail, from the amount of info I feel it might take more than a life time, but still its never late to start any thing. Its nothing compared to any other book I have read from Billy or any one else, I don’t totally agree with the idea about love at first sight, but strangely I felt love from the first read, in the case of the OM. It has so many things that I find it hard to explain in words, there were so many feelings that gone through me that it would be impossible to write each of them down, let alone trying to explain what it felt like. It has been written with so much wisdom I have not come across, truly the Laws of Creation are much wiser than I could have ever imagined, this is something that you only need to think about logically, to understand its validity. The main thing that comes into my head when I think of the OM and the time when I read it the first time. When I came to a bit after reading the half of the book. I had an internal experience, the best way to explain it, it was like a click in my head. That click was the feeling of a connection with creation, not understand or just know it in words, I felt a connection that I cannot describe. But in general it was an experience that opened my eyes even more to the world around me. Because most of us knew about religion in our young age that God or Creation is not a part of us, or an external entity in other words, its hard to feel that connection. As for me although in the past few years I knew that we are connected I didn’t feel it. You see no matter what choices we make no matter what choices we have already made, in the end of the day its what we are here for. We usually get so egoistic, its unimaginable, I think this is the most problem we face on earth, that we are not feeling the connection. In other words, it doesn’t matter if WW3 happens, because what’s the worse that can happen the earth would explode? So what we might loose a few centuries or so to find another planet. Please don’t understand me wrong I don’t mean just sit down and do nothing, I just mean to take things easy, more relaxed so we can think clear, and make better choices, especially with the hard times coming. Because look, the way I see it we are NOT here on earth as an individual spirit to become like God or so on, we are here because creation gave us a chance to help it(Creation) to evolve, in the end we are the same. So there is no point to see things in an egoistic view because it has no basis, another example I remember someone asking how could we find out which spirits are ET’s, does that really matter, isn’t it the same as asking was I Hitler in the past or was I John the Baptist in the past, as long as we are not ready for it we will not know, because it doesn’t matter, it not going to make life any different, then maybe increasing ones ego. I hope I didn’t write to much in this post, I tried to make it as simple and straight forward as I can. and wasn't sure where to post this message. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Junior, How wonderful to hear from someone else who has read OM! I was fascinated to read of your experiences, and suggest that the Kodex might be kicking in for you. (Works for me!) And can you expand a little on what you were referring to when you mentioned “love at first sight”? The other thing I felt compelled to mention to you is in relation to your choice of words to describe your personal experience. You used the term “connection”, and I do think I know what you mean and how you mean it, but – at the risk of seeming even more pedantic than I am already – and always bearing in mind the monstrous power of thought – the word “connection” connotes a bridge being made between two (or more) separated things, and I think a better description of what you may have felt within you is a dawning recognition or realization of the existence of that fragment of Creation that exists within all of us as the universal enlivening force. We cannot be connected to (or even disconnected from) something that is our very essence, and it is misleading and counterproductive to maintain this paradigm. And I’m curious about OM sales. Ours is January 1998 No. 634. (purchased early 2004) What’s yours? It’s just GREAT that you’ve made the effort that you have. Indeed we are coming together at long last, as water seeks its own level. Let the good times ROLL! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Dyson I purchased my copy April 2004 and mine is number 637! i think it says early on at the base of a left hand page that 1500 copies were printed Regards Matt Regards Matt | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2005 |
Subject - Reply to Junior and questions on the identity of Creation If creation is infinite there can be only one of her. If creation is infinite she is eternal and strives towards no end. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Junior: Thankyou for sharing your experience : "I had an internal experience, the best way to explain it, it was like a click in my head. That click was the feeling of a connection with creation, not understand or just know it in words, I felt a connection that I cannot describe. But in general it was an experience that opened my eyes even more to the world around me." These words are of particular interest to me because they relate with great accuracy the state of my own emotions. Although they emerge from the same conclusion in both of us(perhaps implicitly in your case) : ....But love towards a thing eternal and infinite feeds the mind wholly with joy, and is itself unmingled with any sadness, wherefore it is greatly to be desired and sought for with all our strength. You will notice that these word do not reside in OM, in this form. Rather, they are the words of Baruch Spinoza(by birth) - who's complete writings I have just finished re-reading(the first time being when I was seventeen) - that are the source of my supreme joy at this moment and for the past two days.(My solar plexus has been pulsating unceasingly) My greatest realization or discovery from this literary work, of which the preceding extract is an implication, is the rational philosophical validation of the existence of Creation(what he refers to as Substance) - and its fundamental properties. That being said, I have yet to-make-mine(integrate) all the new concepts Spinoza has presented - so it is by far not a declaration of absolute certainty. My new found ideas and realizations have placed new light on the Spiritual Teachings of the TJ and the Plejarens - as to the nature and extent of the detail of the information, as well as its validity - something which I am most pleased to announce. As must occur however, in this new light have emerged - not only new ways to move forward, but also new barriers to my understanding. In this case the barriers reside at the gates of the most fundamental premise of the TJ/+Plejaren philosophy - that is, Creation: A being/existent that is infinite has the following properties : a - She is singular. b - All things, ideas and actions flow necessarily from her - according to her eternal and unchanging nature. c - She is at once omniscient and omnipotent and therefore perfect and eternal. d - An infinite and eternal being is ALL and is in ALL - with this and taking c into consideration, this being cannot and does not act towards some end. To do so would imply a lack of some knowledge or quality - but an infinite being does not lack any knowledge or quality(check above). Note - this list is not exhaustive and rather crude, since it is not well ordered and the propositions not directly proven. For this reason, if any of these properties seem ambiguous, I will be happy to explain further, on request. From my readings of the TJ and the information presented by the Plejarens I came to understand Creation as infinite and holding the above-described properties. However, from the scientific information afforded to us we are told that: There are many different types of Creations: That these creations are finite and not eternal - they have definite life spans: That they work towards a final end - that is, evolution. I hope it is clear at this point exactly how I am conflicted. I have reached the following conclusion to this problem, so far: That there must exist a CREATION of all other Creations, one which we may call absolutely infinite - that is, it is truly infinite and eternal and without desire towards some end. I would be most appreciative if you or anyone else has any ideas as to the resolution of this problem. Regards, Kiril} | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Dyson, You were asking about what I mean with “love at first sight” well one could say until now I have been very unlucky with regard to finding my other half “female”, so till now I didn’t experience the feeling of love at first sight. That’s why I am not very convinced yet that such a theory is valid, that’s as for my reality right now. Things might change. After this sentence I was referring to the book, I never thought I could feel this much for a book, or at least the information of a book. Now I am not sure if the word “love” would really explain my feelings at this point to the book, but in other words I would give any thing (except my mind) to have the book if it was taken from me. I admire your way of caring about the words we use, and I don’t know how to thank you for you correcting me I totally agree with you, and to me that’s why I don’t like word communication because a lot can be misunderstood. You see at the time I was writing the post I couldn’t think of a better way to describe it, although I know three languages I am not a master or professional in any of them, but let me give it another try. After reading about 2/3 of the book I felt the creational power/energy with in me, from that I kind of understood more about the meaning of life. Its not like knowing that you have the creational power, its when you feel and realize that it really is there. I ordered mine about mid (15-16) December 2004 and only got around reading it a few months ago, which I only finished it now. As for the No. its 653. I agree with you that’s its about time the water seeks its own level, as you said “Let the good times ROLL!”… smile… I am really happy that you gave your comments it means a lot to me, I might recognize something that I am doing incorrectly one day, but its usually much faster if someone else shows me my inconsistencies or incorrect descriptions. respect... Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Kiril according to Billy not even the highest form of Creation is absolutely perfect and that the reason why we exist. . . if something could be absolutely perfect then the question may arise: what would be the purpose of its existance? . . . Creations do not have a finite "life span" but like our spirits they are immortal and follow the law of rhythm, and so there is an alternation between being "awake" and being "sleeping" i hope this helps take care | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Kilril, Memo00's correct, of course, and Creation requires all of us as its (not "her's". That a confusion of the German language gender.) holistic subsystems (so to speak) to do the striving for truth. You are mixing false religious teachings with the real ones, but I'm happy to see that you are sticking with it. That's how Creation attains relative perfection and moves onto its 2nd level of spiritual evolutionary attainment. In the same way that we are all one with Creation, we Earth humans are also one co-dependent meta-organism. BTW, problems must be identified adequately first. Only then is it appropriate to start to talk about their solutions. Logic. Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2005 |
A small request if I may: I found Jacob's 'update' of Spiritual Terminology as of 3-06; when updates are added, these would be easier to find if they were marked somehow. I print the wisdom and read it again and again, and so if the new addition is marked I can just add it on as extra information by hand. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 461 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Melli, That is a good suggestion, although I will tell which updates are made in the announcement itself instead of in the Spiritual Terminology list. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Arie New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear Jacob, I would like to know - isn't Judaism a cult religion as well? Thank you for your answer. Cheers, Arie | ||
Claes Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hello, Where is the "Spiritual Terminology" located? Thanks and Salome //Claes | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 462 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello, Claes, At this location: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Jacob I refer to the recent update of the Spiritual terminology. Regarding The evolutionary times of the Creation measured in years: on the wake and sleep sequences of Creation. I have the impression that the first stage of our Creation is [Sleep] rather than [Wake]. If my memory serves me right, that it was mentioned that when an UR-Creation generates the idea for an Creation, the new Creation will be in an unconscious sleep stage for 311,040,000,000,000 years and then awake to create an universe and active for 311,040,000,000,000 years. It will then sleep for a time equal to 7 X 311,040,000,000,000 years….. and so on. Could you please confirm which stage should come first? Salome Savio | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 463 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Savio, The Creation was indeed in a unconscious sleep/slumber period before this Universe, it was what people could call in a 'fetal' state, not fully developed as of yet. The idea of Creation which was incepted by Ur-Creation needed time to develop itself to the point where it could create itself by means of an 'big bang' in to a new conscious creational Universe, from that point on 'starts' it's life and evolution up to the Absolute Absolutum. After this active, waking state of the creational Universe, the Creation will sleep/slumber in a conscious state. This is fairly similar to the fact that people start counting the days, months and years of any new born human after birth, to my knowledge, the timespan of the pregnancy is not added to the lifespan, or we would be around 9 months older then we are now. I hope this helps. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 464 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello, Arie, Yes, Judaism is a cult-religion because it worships a god, if I am not mistaken Jehova, who was a human, an JHFH to be exact. A king of falsehood, malice. Every system of believe that worships an object or person(s) is a cult(religion), because it tries to put that object or person(s) or fictional objects/person(s) on the same level as the Creation itself. This is the worst, horrible and dispicable lie and untruth possible in this Universe and beyond, because nothing in this Universe, not even the highest spiritlevel of Petale, let alone a material human, regardless of his/her wisdom can even come close to the Power, Love, Truth, BEING, Justice, Wisdom, Omnipotence, Knowledge and Universal Consciousness of the Creation itself. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Barbarotico Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2005 |
I have incremented my meditation sessions to 1 hour and when I go to sleep almost every night I have vivid "dreams" and I feel floating as a baloom over the streets and inside my house. It is very ammusing for me. I think that those "dreams" are real out of body due to the following reason. I had a vivid dream where I was in the house of my uncle and I saw the woman of me uncle washing dish in the kitchen. Then she turn around and she saw me! When she saw me she put a fear face and some items falled from her hands. When I see that she becomes scared I feared about my security because there where some kitchen knifes. So I go floating to a room of her house and she pursued me with something in her hand and calling her daugter histerically. When I approached to the door of the room I losed that "dream" and I waked out. I though that all that was a dream, although was very realist. Some months later I was in my house and we begin to speack about paranormal phenomenon and she told me all that story exactly as I dreamed that. Of course I never told her that that strange entity or silhouette that she saw was me. For this reasson I am very exited with my meditation cessions. What do you think if I increase the meditation to 5 hours? | ||
Arie Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello Jacob, Thank you very much for your candid and honest response - I very much appreciate the energy in your words. To that end, I would like to further ask your opinion on the teachings of the Kabala contained in the book known as the "Zohar". I thought it was curious that they chose that name for the book. Also, did the Jewish people steal this wisdom from the Egyptians, as did Moses with the Ten Commandments (if I am not mistaken)? Once again thank you and many regards. Cheers, Arie | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2005 |
Barbarotico, I hope you will not be offended by what I am about to say: I am not sure what importance you attach to the dream you described above, but I certainly had a good laugh. I extended my imagination and thought of you becoming a script writer. The movie that comes to my mind is... Psycho. I can't help but laugh when I imagine what you described. I can also imagine further scenarios if you do meditate 5 hours or more, and then...you might even make it to australia. | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2005 |
Barbarotico, you can't see spiritforms under the conditions you've described. Although, I'm no autority here I'd have to say that you're falsificating real and/or imaginary incidents on post #37. | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 542 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Jacob Thanks for the conformation. Your explanation is informative and reasonable Salome Savio | ||
Barbarotico Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2005 |
The only that I know is that the incident of the post 37 was truth. The wife's uncle told me an exact history as the dream that I had. That can't be a falsification. I don't know what is the mechanism behind that. what I know is that that happened to me. | ||
Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2006 |
I've been thinking about Billy's teachings and they seem to me to be pretty intense. I'm talking from a personal perspective here, but I believe it could apply to any person under any situation. Like I told someone else, I think it is exactly like super-concentrated orange juice that you have to mix with water in order to be able to digest it properly because it would be too acidic and can cause some harm to your digestive track if you just drank it in its pure form. You would need 5% or less orange juice and 95% or more water. The water you need (figuratively speaking) to drink the orange juice with could be basic small cognitions that we are able to percieve in normal life and know that are true. For example, simple common-sense advice from a friend, the reason why a photograph is beautiful, or the good feeling you get when you exercise, and you know why you feel good (endorphins released in the brain), knowing that a horizon is a beautiful thing to almost everyone (why? because it is part of creation and part of ourselves)...etc... This way, we slowly realize the truth through thought, but it takes a really long time and we shouldn't be in a rush. It may seem short and fast when you read on the website "The truth is discovered through thought", but it can truly take a lifetime to come to one cognition and conclusion and to fully realize it and understand it completely... | ||
Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2006 |
Oh and I forgot - If we were able to tolerate the teachings in its pure form and we studied only that, then it would not be fully digested by all and would form the basis for a new religion. Very creepy - so It's important to recognize that we can find truth anywhere amongst our earthly people and sometimes in our books. We should keep an open mind and not shut out anything of value in our earthly domain simply because it originates here on earth, and we should take it slow, the truth is not going anywhere and can be percieved by almost everyone... | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 12-2005 |
Subject - A reply to Mem00 and Dyson on my Post No.62 A foolish mistake and warning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mem00 - Dyson: Thank you most kindly for your reply to what is no doubt, and despite, a convoluted and confused post. You would be very surprised at the extent of actual knowledge about the Spiritual Teachings your words have brought to me - in revealing to me how great my misconception of the teachings have grown(especially as it concerns the nature of Creation) and next providing the impetus towards clarification. I ask that you please excuse me in this instance - for, perhaps you know the feeling and ensuing excitement of the discovery of a new idea, whos nature is rhizomic: that causes the reevaluation of ones entire philosophy by brining into view a new and clearer vision of reality - and with this an initial bewilderment? Note - Let those who are considering using J.R.Winter's material to study the Meier case(especially when he covers philosophical and psycological topics) be warned : It is my personal experience that this material does not present the facts of the case and should not be considered as a source of credible information about BEAM and his encounters with the Plejarens. At this point, after having untangled this intellectual mess - and actual problematic issues identified - I have decided to pursue them at a later point, since I am just-now beginning to understand( a true understanding) the essence of the Spirit Teachings. Note - For the interested reader: After many months of reading and listening to material related to the Meier Case I realized that all the ideas I held were fragmented and disjoint and for those reasons useless - if someone asked me to derive a certain principle of the Creational Philosophy or describe its essence, I could not(without some element of ambiguity or equivocation) - let alone begin to question its validity. I found that the only solution was to take a more systematic approach - by this I mean the logical ordering of all the teachings into one coherent, integrated philosophy. I intend to achieve this by separating all the ideas into 5 categories - metaphysics - epistemology - ethics - politics - aesthetics. These are the essential elements of any philosophy of life,derived in the order they are presented above. Dyson: "You are mixing false religious teachings with the real ones..." Check above for what actually happened. I wish to clarify with you that the Philosophy of Spinoza does not represent what you refer to as 'religious teachings' and that the confusion present in my post No.62 is my own fault. Furthermore, any religion is a system of ideas grounded in belief/ faith - therefore it follows that there is no such thing, there cannot exist, 'real' or right religious teachings. Have you read and understood the work of Spinoza? Lastly , on your note on the designation of Creation as 'she' - I use the word in a metaphoric sence only. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My thanks once again to both of you, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2005 |
Subject - Thanks and Discussion of "Semjase's complete explanation of the term Creation" Where is Creation explained and derived in this dialogue? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaiaguysnet: Thank you for your translation efforts. What is the "...big trick question."? The Forum: I would very much like to begin a discussion on the said translation, I find it very difficult to understand - that is, what/where exactly is this explanation and how does she derive it. Below I present my interpretation of the said translation and show why I find it difficult to comprehend: -- Semjase opens by declaring that 'humans will not know Creation through superficially induced emotions. That they must recognize Creation as it truly is through understanding(reason).'(Lines 2 and 3) -- She continues to explain that this understanding must by an understanding of Creations essence, if real and lasting progress is to be made.(Line 4) -- In line 5 Semjase explains that mans attempt to ascribe omniscience, omnipotence and infiniteness to Creations essence are correct("..applicable..") OR She is saying that its only a futile attempt? -- From that point onwards she seems to go on a completely unrelated tangent. She mentions and questions why so many people cannot grasp the essence of Creation.(Line 6 - 13) -- In line 14 we get the first hint of an actual answer - " The experience reveals that the Creation is unending beauty, a beauty above all beauty, borderless, intensive happiness without end, wisdom, knowledge, ability, truth and absolute determination." - and so it continues(in that she attempts to deal with the question of Creations essence in higher order reducible concepts, and with this also, concepts that seem to lack any order(causel relation)) almost till the end of the translation, with the acception that she describes the nature of a man who has 'found' Creation. Perhaps I am working along a wrong premise? - that this dialogue is supposed to represent a philosophically sound derivation and explanation of Creation? Or perhaps my interpretaion of the dialogue is overlooked or/and incorrect? Personally I hope its both of them - any input is very welcome. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks once again, Kiril | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2005 |
As I understand animals have a spirit too, but it is a different spirit to the human spirit, because it has no spiritual consciousness like humans and instead it is a survival instinct; so does this mean that animals were created by the Ur- Creation just the same as the flora and fauna? and to satisfy our emotional need for pleasure? How do the Dinasours fit the equation? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2005 |
Can anyone help me with the question in post # 79? Thanks, | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli! You got the first bit right, (to the best of my understanding, of course) but it’s not just survival instinct* which animals have, of course, it is that instinct (or “instinctive intelligence”) is ALL that they have. We humans will do the 60 to 80 billion years of reincarnations to eventually move on up to the Arahat Athersata levels and beyond, whereas non-humans won’t do that, but DO evolve in their own way. This is what differentiates humans from other animals. And this is one of the many facts which evidently infuriate the atheists, humanists, materialists and all the other modern pseudo-enlightened Earth humans who have at least woken up to the fact that religion = enslavement. Creation is responsible for creating all we are and all we experience, and of course that includes all the plants and animals … dinosaurs too, and they play no special role, in so far as I am aware. You ask: (Are animals created) “to satisfy our emotional need for pleasure?” This question is called a “Dorothy Dixer”, Melli … a question deliberately asked to elicit a didactic response. Short answer: NO!!! And I think this is a very important issue, and one of the reasons that we Earth humans are so screwed up. So many of us lavish our love and attention – our caresses and even kisses (yuk!) - on disease-carrying animals (who lick their own backsides and then lick us), when the true objects of our affection should be other humans. Of course other humans are generally less unquestioning in their devotion, compared to dogs who “think” that their master is somehow their pack’s alpha male, or cats, whose ignorant “owners” believe that the territorial scent markers rubbed onto people’s trouser legs are signs of affection. Think of all the lonely, skin-hungry, emotionally dysfunctional people out there, stroking their pet’s fur, while yearning for a loving touch themselves. So sad. Think of all the mountains of pet food that is consumed by First World house pets while Third World children slowly die in agony from needless starvation. No wonder non Earth humans say we have a way to go before we earn the title of being fully human. And when we are assured by ignorant/arrogant Earth scientists that animals like cats cannot be AIDS vectors, be aware that that is at odds with what the Plejaren tell us. Salome, Dyson * I sure wish my fellow Earth humans had a bit more survival instinct. | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Melli, Earth humans think they are on top of the food chain and act as masters and commanders over Earth and life but, of course, this is not true. Many forms of floral and faunal life exist in the universe that have evolved to reach a high level of intelligence. They all serve a purpose in life and, like humans, they exist to evolve and live in harmony with all other creatures. I think environment and planetary evolution determines the type of life that will exist at any particular time. At one time dinosaurs were able to flourish until wiped out. The Gods of old have manipulated life on earth to some extent also. I think that most life as we know it originated and evolved on Earth. Regards Adam | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members hi all excuse me if this question was asked before Noticing the discrepancy of 6 billion years when our spirit form was created here on earth as opposed to 4-6 million years since first human form came into existing here on earth as a result of its natural processes, does this signify that Creation creates new spirit forms for each potentially life harbouring planet to revolve within the planets sphere before any physical form develops out of it or does this mean there are certain creative laws that governs when new spirit forms will be created for each planet which will help shape the planet itself to become part of its incarnation cycle? Why not 1 billion years before incarnation or 100 million years? What regulatory process is involved in the creation of new planets and with it new spirit forms for each specific planet? Judging by the spiritual process involved in this, with their technologies, can the plejarens order any spirit to incarnate at certain specific time on any planet at any time? Given the information about nokodemions spirit ordered by plejos to incarnate in Jmmanuel the person at that particular time, I cannot see how this isn't possible for a good reason. any thoughts? thanks | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 04-2006 |
I wonder if any of our forum members has ever published any book or booklet related to the mission,spiritual life or Billy`s teachings.I know many would think why have interest in bad copies when you have access to the first hand original(Billy`s books),but i think all these forum members have enough recognition/validity to write any book about their own experiences and the spiritual knowledge they have gathered through all these years. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2005 |
I am curious to know if the Ashoka Ashram in India is still operational, could people visit and stay there? did they keep any information pertaining to Billy's mission? Has anyone visited the Ashram and if so, could you please describe it to us, and how it feels to be there? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 06-2005 |
While practising the Peace meditation it is encouraged to say the words in the Lyrian language. How do I pronounce Saalome? is the 'e' sounded like 'ee' or is it silent? Thanks, | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Melli in the figu website there is an audio recording of the meditation sentence http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/index.htm just do a click where it says: "Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!" are PRONOUNCED IN ENGLISH phonetics as. . . take care | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 327 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Melli ; I hope I explain this clearly . Sa- ( like "saw") lo -( like "low")- me ( like "meh" or "may" ) Thanks for you participation ! Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 01-2004 |
i noticed myself after buying the c.d. from figu, that some people say the words differently than others. and when you listen to the examples given by a mans voice, and then a womans, it seems like the womans has less "harsh" sounds in the pronounciation. i too am confused about the pronounciation of the sentence. can anybody explain that? there is only one genuine pronounciation, right? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thank you gentlemen, much appreciated and incredibly invaluable to my/our human awakening ~~~~ | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Peter i dont have the CD (but i listened to an audio sample available at the FIGU shop), and i noticed also that each person also pronounces the sentence at different speed and with different tone i think one should try to pronounce it simply following the rules given, but it is not so important the "speed", the "tone" or the "volume", otherwise Billy would had corrected them and make them sound all the same, and all synchronized like Buddhist monks, or like Gregorian chants. . . i think this have to be with the simple fact that we all are different, and that we should all do things in our own way, although naturally there are things that apply for all, in the case of the peace meditation the most important guidelines have been given, the position in which you sit, the environment (without noises or distractions) the way one should pronounce words in the sentence, etc i hope this helps and if somebody knows more in this respect please tell us! (for example those that have been in Switzerland or that practice the P.M. in groups could tell us your experience) thanks and take care | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey memo00, im talking about pronounciation, not their tone or volume or anything like that. i mean the way some of them say it is not the way that i was told to do it. of course some will say it faster or some may sing it or whatever, but the pronounciation is what im curious about. also in the cd it says to take a comfertable position, it does'nt specify anything other than a comfterble position. so that's kind of confusing. for instance, one of the people pronounce no "R" sound more like an "H" sound but really rough, like you want to get ready to spit. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 03-2004 |
Kiril Jacob once mentioned that the Kybalion was published some years ago in the "Stimme der Wassermannzeit" (which is a FIGU publication in German that is sent to members)and that Billy had supplemented it with background information about Toth-Hermes (in which specific number was not mentioned) the principles of the Kybalion are called in Billy´s teachings: "The Seven principles of the truth of life in the spiritual, physical and consciousness" (different words but in essence its the same) Jacob posted them here in the forum some time ago (from Billy´s book "Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer" - "Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Grief") probably in other books and an/or in the Spirit Lessons there is even more info take care | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey guys, What exactly does the term 'Spiritual Evolution' mean, how do we say that one person is more spiritually advanced than the other or rather what is the hallmark of a higher spiritually evolved person? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 855 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Celestialbrother, Yes, I agree that is a term that has been tossed around for some time. I think if you would take the time to read contact 18, it may give you an idea what it means to be spiritually evolved. Please check the following link: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv1p150-157.htm There seems to be a lot of emphasis on being a spiritual being or spiritually evolved, but before we can cross that boundary, it is important (in my opinion) to learn to be true human beings and to act accordingly. There is a small booklet entitled Human Beings and Humanness, which has short but insightful quotations in this regard. You can find this at the FIGU store on the main FIGU website. Regards Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Dyson, I was reading the material from W. Stevens, some 80 pages of short translations of Billy's contacts . In contact #11, April 1975, amongst many issues this one example: 'all experiences, knowledge etc, from all incarnations of a spirit form is hidden in the sub-consciou' and so on, then this "Material life is a ladder to the spiritual life". How, I can imagine some ideas, but then I might be just imagening... can you help me with more details, or anybody here who might be familiar with the spirit lessons? Thank you, | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree sub-conscious being the kind of " tank" where all wisdom and knowledge collected in previous reincarnations is stored. The average earthling is not able and wont be for a long time coming,to recall past lives,but they are there in every man`s sub-conscious.The vital experiences of previous lives must be a baggage that travels with every man.And it should be hidden in the sub-conscious.How to access this information...i don`t know. "Material life is a ladder to spiritual life"...The goal and mission of every spirit or human being is to gain spiritual values in every reincarnation:Consciousness,truth,fight ignorance,learning,progress,evolution,no stagnation,understanding of creational laws..... This kind of inevitable individual path is stepped,from the beginner levels to the master levels.It`s a long way up.Not down.You cannot(in theory) lose your spiritual knowledge,going down the ladder.Only stagnation is considered.(no evolution,no progress).Something forces you to learn from error,to be conscious,to be wiser..to go up. So far my personal reflection to Steven`s contact notes translations...i hope it helps... Saalome | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thanks Hector, I maybe didn't word my question the right way, but that's OK. What you wrote makes sense naturally, yet I was expecting some different explantions to something else, now I see the obvious. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey melli, did you mean "how do you know if it's a memory from your past, or if it is simply something your imagination has conjured up"? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 06-2005 |
I meant memories from past lives. I had some strange insights over the years, these came up especially when I was meditating in a large group many years ago. Today still, suddenly I might get a picture in my mind, and as a flash it dissappears, I wonder how do I keep this picture long enough for me to ponder its meaning? Newintiation: I am embarassed to say but I cannot find my post # 133 you are referring to. Please remind me. I searched in the archives and spend a long time looking for it and now I give up... so sorry, are you referring to my favourite website .notmilk.com ? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 01-2004 |
melli, i to used to (and still do) get images suddenly appear in my mind, for the longest time i didnt know what they were but as the years went by i slowly pieced some things together. i think it's totally possible that you've recalled some past life memories, i cant be sure, but i have had my own experiences that make me open to certain possibilities. after all, somebody has to be one of the few who can recall these memories, right? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello Peter, I can tell a few short stories here in a nutshell: ever since I was little, I had my own mind, people couldn't answer my questions so I gave up asking them but something was guiding me and so I just had to swim against the tide because things didn't make sense to a young mind. But now even more so because now I understand how the world goes around and around and around and I finally grasped the meaning of my journey my insigths and intuitive feelings. In my mid 20s in the 80s, as most people do when they are searching, I was participating in one of those 'groups' called "transformation", (different from Forum in the sense that it professed spirituality and we mediated)the rest was the same brain washing which I remember resisting with all my might because it sounded so idiotic and scripted and scary and manipulative, well, it was the New Age rage, anyway in one of those meditation session I suddenly had this vision of the back of a Buddhist Monk, and a shiver spread all over my body. I felt so tranquil I wanted to hold onto this feeling for life. But naturally it vanished as quickly as it presented itself. Since I was a child I was a dreamer and enjoyed my own company, one day I began dreaming of the Far East/India for some inexplicable reason and I got lost in my own imagination. Many years later (but prior tho the mediattion episode) I travelled to Katmandhu and driving through the narrow streets I was feeling like I am 'coming home', as I stepped out of the cab, a shiver began to spread up my spine, and a peaceful feeling was enveloping me just like 'before'??? kind of a wonderful 'welcoming' sensation. Decades later eventhough its hard to remember and describe it's still engraved deep in my memory, and it feels very comfortable in my psyche. Kathmandhu is where I go when I think of spirituality. I don't question or have mental dialogues about these experiences and try and refute them or otherwise, because now that I understand the Spirit and what WE are, I feel comfortable in my own memories and I know where I am going after I leave this place. I had another weird experience with my husband also at that "transformation' course, but maybe I will tell that another time. Yet the most bizzare memory I have is... one from the womb ~~~~~ | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey again melli. my story is similair... i grew up in a racist family enviroment, so i did not see any women other than white women as being attractive  , when i got to high school that began to change. when i would hang out with asian-indian girls, i would have this strange comfort, like everything about them is so familiar. over the years i met some indian girls and had those strong feelings, but i was'nt sure what it was. then i started asking myself to give nme the answers to my questions, in my 1th grade of highschool, i started to get visions of places and people i have never seen, or that lived long ago... by the time i was out of highschool i started to get strange cryptic dreams, visions etc. at one point i was walking through the mall oneday when i seen some girl (east indian) and i had this strange feeling. i waited a week as i thought my next plan of action and some strange event happend to me that i wont get into here as it will propably just cause confusion... bottom line, i had some vision of a name as i was thinking about the possibility that this girl is someone i've met in a life bfore (ever since i was achild i had no doubts about past lives), and as i asked my self this possibility, i got a vision of the name MIRA. for a while i was'nt sure what it meant but later i startd to see many visions everynight, all having to do with indian gods and "myths" etc. one time i seeen the image of ganesh overlapping a swaztika, another was of some dark blue monters faced human, he was sitting with one leg crossed and had 4 arms. i also had a vision of the most realistic looking vision, it was different from the others as it was not simply an image in the blackness, but as if a real life event or a memory. i was looking into a mirror at the reflection of a naked women on a bed, the funny thing was i was blue skinned, red lipped, and this distinct tblack silky hair. exactly the way krishna is depicted in paintings and tempples etc. i got visions of his face again many times, and i also seen visions of blue people, most notably a woman. anyway, it's enough to say that i have been piecing this puzzle together for a couple years now and i think i have a good idea about it all. about the memory of the womb, i think that's totally possible and that would be something cool to see. i've had visions of fetus's, but not of being in a womb. also, i think a good share of people are having memories from pastlives, yet they just dont know it. i say this because that was the case with me and so i can see how things can be overlooked. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
Does anyone now how many past lives the average terrestial human has lived before? I tried to find this out using the search engine but was unable too, thanks. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 06-2005 |
Peter, I wonder how the girl would have reacted had you approached her? what was going through your mind at the time, were you processing emotions or feelings from the 'deep' subconscious? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey alan, i dont think that information is available, and i dont think there is any reliable way to guess or estimate. one life you can live for 40 seconds, another for 100 years, that would make it difficult for any kind of estimation. in my opinion. but there are tricks you can use for example. if you've had a pastlife memory, the memory has clues. if you find those clues you may be able to guage around what time period that was in, based on objects or things you see in the memory. like if you seen dwarfs, well, we know according to billy and the plejarens, dwarves existed. so then ask yourself when did they exist... etc etc. hey melli, i did aproach her after waiting 7 days. when i introduced myself i got a little too carried away. i'll just give you the jist of what happend and what was said. she was an average girl, 21 or so, and she was into that whole r&b, hip hop scene, so i figured i should'nt say anything too far out. i introduced myself and asked her for her name, then i basically asked her if she was working the week before, just to make sure it was the same person... i asked her if she had some strange occurance or event happen to her the week prior (which would coincide with a particular experience that i chose to not mention in my last post) and she asked "like what"? and i didnt want to tell her what, as she might have thought i was crazy, so i basically was afraid of her reacting negatively to what i would tell her, had i decided to tell her of that strange experience. i told her that i was not trying to "hit on her" or get in her panties, but that(my exact words) "this goes beyond that, this goes way beyond that". i asked her if she believed in reincarnation and fate, and she said she believed in fate. pretty much by this time i started to lose focus and i was looking into her eyes, which were like onees i'v never seen, they look like the way the egyptians painted there eyes, but she naturaly had that shape. i told her i was pretty much at a loss for words, as i expected her to say "yes, i did have a strange experience a week ago", but since she did not, i was kind of caught off guard. for a moment i was silent and then i told her how i never met her before, but i felt like i knew her and that she looks so familiar, yet i distinctly know i have never met her. that pretty much lit her eyes up and she told me to say what i wa wanting to say, but in the end it was a little too difficult for me to say, as she already said she did not believe in reinccarnation. so appoligized and walked away. looking back at it, i feel i came on too fasst, too strong. she was interested, i had no doubt that if i'd ask her out she would say yes, and perhaps i should have, because i feel that i let go of a real spiritual connection that could have blossomed into something great i hope oneday i can find her. as for what i was feeling,,, my gut was twisting like a ferris wheel, my body started to get all these pulses of strange sensations and tingles, and it was like i fell into a deep trance when i heard her talking. in my mind i have no doubt's as to what was going on and as to who she was in another life, i'm passed the point of asking is reincarnation real or not etc. also it was as if my subconcious was making me do things that shed a positive spin and relieved some of the tension. for example, for some reason i decided to lean on a display case and inearly fell over. after that happend, she seemed very relaxed. i had a couple of dreams of her afterward, of me meeting her on a sidewalk, so hopefully that's a sign of things to come, but i havent seen her since and when i asked her former boss where she worked, he would not tell me in anycase, when everything was all said and done, i have come to the conclusion that she in a former life was Mira Bai. and if that were true, than the possibility that i new her when she was mira, well it just adds weight to all those feelings and thoughts when i would hang around indian girls, and when i would look at indian art or clothing, or anything indian. by the way she was east indian. the only other person i had these strange thoughts and feelings about was this kid i knew from my childhood, from day one it seemed we were destined to be friends. after i grew up and he moved away, i got into highschool and never thought about him, then when i graduated, i srarted to get dreams of him, and sometimes i would see a boy that looked like him, except this boy had blue instead of brown eyes, and blonde hair instead of brown hair, and his hair was in curly locks. and he was in some of my dreams that had "fire" as a theme. for example, oneday i had a vision of a letter (note) being shown to me, and all i remember when i seen that vision was the words "a woman scorched". mind you at this time of my life, i would almost everynight just look out at the night sky for some unkown impulsive reason, and often i would look at sirius and wonder i feel so strange when i look at it. i found out that sirius also means "scorched" or "scorching". soon after i had a dream that an asian girl asked me if i went to burnaby south (a local highschool that BURNED down years ago). then i had a dream of that friend from my child hood, he was eager to go and hide somehwere, (in the deam that is), because his mom was looking for him. the thing is his mom died in a FIRE years ago. soon after i got a dream about a dog and a star, put the two together and what do you get... dog star, another name for sirius. some months later i asked myself what was written in the letter, i asked who the letter is about etc. some words popped into my head (the reply) and here's what i managd to write down... "i had known of your deeds... when who contacts (or "connects") who i was so... "beta..." after the war.... sirius eta (or "beta") .... taurus. ship, bandits, castaways.... pink craft... salutation... investigation" ----------------------------- i could'nt catch all the words shown, so that's why i put the "......" between the spaces where i missed the words. as th epart about bandits and castaways was being shown, another image was shown of a woman who i have seen in many dreams. she is very familiar, but i know i have never met her this life around. she was also in a dream that i had not long before getting all this info, and in the dream i was somekind of space pirate, mi told some thief that i could kill him if i pleased and that scared him greatly, but i told him i would not. then i turn around and there is that woman i seen in the vision, and she had a worried look on her face, and then our captain started to speak, he said something like "first we take all of the treasures of this world, then the world, then the next, i dont want this, i want everything!" and he had a sinister smile. and everybody around him were happy about his statement, except for me and the woman. this woman has also been in other dreams of equally interesting nature, but i can save that for another time if you want to hear it. it has to do with greek/roman looking people in white robes etc. hope the post didnt turn out too long. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 06-2005 |
WOW !!! Peter, amamzing to say the least. I gather that you are well aware of your feelings and you listen to your subconscious, as dreams are a metaphor for our conscious material life. I am glad that here we don't have Freuid to bamboozle us with psychological nonsense, but how often do you meditate? Maybe answers you seek, would eventually surface for you and the cryptic images could create interesting results? I cannot find the time always to meditate, but I do make time for Spirit Prayer everyday and now my life makes sense. I have learned to hone in on my needs for a specific day and if I miss a day, I feel empty. Life is surely never boring... | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey melli, yes i am pretty aware and i have a good relationship with my subconcious mind. and as a result, i can do some things that most people are just skeptical about, but that's okay, im not here do prove anything. see, the thing with dreams is, sure they are a metaphor for life, but i think it would be careless to think tht that's all they are. yes, i am not a fan of freud, or einstein for that matter. i was reading some einstein material, as oneday not long ago i decided i should focus on science, as most of my time has been focussed on comprehending reality and the nature around me... so i got a vision of einstein. i read some of his work and right from the get go i noticed how he needlessly complicates his explinations, i guess once you get into a certain frame of mind, it's difficult to get out of it or look outside that viewpoint. about meditation... i do the peace meditation. i have read about billy's or figu definition of meditation and i found out through that source, that i was meditating for the longest time and did'nt even know it. i remember how in true meditation or somethng, you may recieve info from your subconcious or the storage banks... all i have to do is lay down and i will get a flood of images and symbols etc. also, i have found a way to freely access information in your subconcious... i dont know if it will work for others, but it works for me. first i close my eyes and focus on the imagined thought that i am running along a path/road/sidewalk etc, getting faster and faster... then i picture a forest approaching closer as i run down the path, then i picture myself going straight into the forest, by this time there will be an automatic shift from what you imagine and the images that just appear out of nowhere. i think you can comunicate with your subconcious with symbols/images. like the way telepathy is used, you picture the thing you want to do and focus... so likewise the mind can propably react to images rather than words. but im sure words can work too. i have found many "lives" and themes running through my dreams, if you like i can get into that later. i dont pray that much because i feel i have a close connection to my spirit and subconcious, so for me it's more like i have two brains thinking for me, my concious an dmy subconcious. what i mean is if in a concious way i dont know why im doing something, later on the reason is revealed, ths i can only conclude that my subconcious is always one step ahead of my concious mind | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Peter, The mind is indeed an amazing tool, shame we are primitive still we cannot acess most of it. Let me ask you, are you sure you are actually truly communicating with your subconscious or you think you are? I cannot judge but I think it's an interesting question one should always ask oneself. I question alot what's on my mind and yet I cannot convince myself totally that what my mind is seeing, is actually subconscious intellect; I feel that if I did not experience something then how can I say that I have knowledge? I might have part of the story but also a part is missing. Maybe that's because I never accept anything I am told so I question things probably too much. Anyway, I wish I could just 'drop' an image from my mind's eyes and follow the path to whereever it takes me, but then I would not stop questioning this process until I was satisfied with my experience and wouldn't want to end it until I walked that path. I recall reading that the Key to meditation is the Stillness of the mind, tranquility of the psyche, rather than have images flooding one consciousness. This is the tricky bit... I am having some difficulties reconciling the fact that I am a Spirit in a body, not a body with a spirit. I know this is Creational law and truth yet How do I know that it is so? Only when I choose to leave this body I will find out? BTW I have an old book of Eistein's letters published after his death and these are clear messages to various people and as a matter of fact he too speaks of Over Population. I presume that his physics theories were the complex matters for all but otherwise life was simple or as complex as he chose to make it. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey again melli, i have asked myself many times in the beggining, wether or not it's truly a communication with the sub-concious or if i simply think i am. i am positive 100% that i can and do communicate with my sub-concious. there comes a point where you really sit down and go over everything that you are experincing etc. and go down the checklist of possibilities. i have gone down that checklist and sorted out any delusion or desires that were mixed up with facts of the matter. i have felt, seen and experienced too much to enable me to still hold any doubt. there are a good deal of things i am still figuring out, but this specific topic of communicating with the sub-concious is already sorted out. at first i thought since i would see images of certain strange humans or other humanoid looking beings, i naturally assumed it was telepathic communication from whoever i was seeing, as these images would appear after or during a specifc idea or thought that i had. later, after carefully considering what billy says on matters of telepathy etc, i came to the conclusion that it's my sub-concious communicating with me. for example, the other day i was considering going swimming at th local pool, well i asked myself if there's any worth wile reason to go aside from floating in chlorine and being burned by the sun... then igot an image of two women in bathing suits. just to double check and re-verify what i think is going on in relation to all those images popping up in my head (i like to re verify again and againonce in a while)... so when i got to the pool, there they were, two women whom i seen in my headspace a half hor earlier at my house. yes, i have tried that stillness of the mind. that's what i meant when i said i was naturally without even knowing it, doing that type of meditation. i would lay down to bed and just not think, it was'nt easy but as time passed it got more natural to do. i only mention images because after my mind was "still", that's when a bunch of images apeared. it seems from my own experience that when you are not thinking , you are open to more perception,,, perhaps the trick to recieving a message is to act like a reciever. perhaps when true meditation is occuring, we become like a sattelite, recieving information, from a database (akashic records or whatever you call them)? i dont think you will find out because you are melli, not the spirit inside. well let's say this... we dont know what is true and what is false in a lot of the writings and info provided by the plejarens, but with a little common sense, taking a chance results in atleast a step foreward. this brings me to an interesting topic... i to find myself refering to the spirit in me as "me". i guess it depends on perception. it's like there's a benefit from looking at yourself as being one creature along with the things around you (the universe) and it also grounds you to view yourself as a human, somewhat seperate from the universe. i found that to be the case with me atleast. | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2005 |
Hi I'm not sure if this is the right place in the forum to ask this question - the moderator can move this to the right place, if necessary. I'm wanting an overview about what Billy Meier, the Plejarens say about the 'afterlife' and what does happen there? I'm only familiar with the so-called new age perspective - which views it as being a rest and restorative period, that we reincarnate in a group, in which familiar people swap roles around. I just wish to be clearer about the fine matter world, that the Plejarens talk about - how does this differ from the new age view? Thanks Harvey | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 908 Registered: 12-1999 |
Harvey, This information has been discussed on the forum. I would suggest to start reading the Spiritual topic area. There is a wealth of information in this section. I have moved your post to this area. Scott-Moderator | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott Baxter (Moderator), Recently posted a reply to Dyson (Gaiaguys) in I think,the political section. Wanted to add a humerous picture found on the web of the folks who wear tin foil on their heads. After sending a pic of Hillary with one, found on the net, after awhile had a thought that this is not fair to her a mistake by me... and is actually political with no cause other than cruel belittlement of a fellow human being. If you would be so kind as to not post that reply to Dyson, it would be most appreciated. Thank you, Randy Arena PS> Did not see it so you may have had the wisdom to NOT post it. Thank you. Hi Randy, I already pulled it a few days ago for some of the reasons you cited. Regards Scott | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Scott, I have read some of Billy Contact Notes, but have not understood somethings about his spiritual teachings, I have the following queries that I want you to answer: 1.Suppose a person does real bad in his life and towards the last few days before his death he realizes that he should be a good guy and genuinely becomes good, then what happens to his spirit form? 2.Can a spirit from have the body of a animal say monkey or a snake in one life and be born as a man in the next? 3.If a person, has a liking for some other countrie's cultures or feels close to it, like he feels an 'affinity' to it, does that mean he/she will be born into that race or was in the previous life in that country or anything like that? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 04-2006 |
Celestialbrother i will try to answer to your questions. 1.Creation and the creational laws do not reward a "good" or a " bad " behavior.Creation rewards your attempt to collect knowledge and wisdom in your present lifetime.In other words, Hitler won`t go to hell, but he did not do his homework well in his last incarnation and did not progress much, or nothing. 2.Animal and human spirit forms are not compatible.Animal spirit forms possess just an instinct, but humans have also conscience and an intellect.Therefore you cannot reincarnate as an animal.That is buddhist/hindi fantasy. 3.So called wish factors (Wunschfaktoren) cannot be transmitted to the next incarnation.That means you cannot choose or have any influence on the gender, place, family, profession in your next life.What is transmitted for sure is knowledge/wisdom.That is what we have to seek and practice. Anybody is allowed to correct me if i`m wrong. Regards from Spain | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hector, I thought only only humans have a spirit form? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Alan If I may answer this --- I will refer you to a post from Jacob on March 24 2004 on this subject --- and if you put in a search of key words from this you will find more discussion of it: "1. The human spirit is an evolutionary spiritform which collects knowledge and wisdom during countless incarnations over time, the human spirit consists of absoluteltly neutral energy (+/-) in perfect balance, yet for the evolutionsake both the positive principle (male) and the negative principle (female) need to be understood and that is done by incarnation as a woman and then as a man, it depends largely on this level of evolution and things you have to learn which determine your gender in the next life. So every man will be a woman in a following life ( not perse the next) and every woman will be a man in a next life, this until the time in evolution when a human body is not needed any more. 2. All animals with a brain have an instinct-impulse driven spiritform which have their own incarnation cycle, but doesnt evolve like a human-spiritform, some higher plant life (certain trees),have a spiritforms too, those are also instinct-impulse driven like the animal spiritform, its absolutely impossible that a human-spiritform can incarnate as a animal or plant, and no animal or plant spiritform can ever incarnate in a human. Microbic life (bacteria, virusses, amoeba, etc) are driven by cosmic-electromagnetic life-energy, much like the fertilized egg of a human until the 21st day. " Best Robyn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 04-2006 |
Indi your answer to celestial brother is 90% right, but i advice you to read Jans questions to billy from 6-28-2005 about what determines the gender of the embryo.I got the response via search machine with keywords "gender " and " determine". Jan: How can be the gender of a person “in development” for such a long time, 8-10 weeks of pregnancy, when the gender, on chromosomen level XX/XY, is determinated after impregnation? Many thanks for your explanation. Jan Answer The gender is not determined immediately after impregnation, but by the personality that enters the embryo (together with the spirit form) on the 21st day of pregnancy. It is the new personality that has been created by the comprehensive consciousness block (Gesamtbewusstseinblock) that „steers/directs“ the developing embryo in order to remain a female body or to become a male body. This process is made possible by the spirit’s force/power. The spirit form is responsible for the necessary impulses for this process, but the spirit form itself does NOT decide about the gender. It’s the new personality and its aspects/goals/etc. that determine the gender of the developing baby/human being. Have a nice day and don´t forget today is peace meditation day! | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob : "The spirit has the size of the tip of a needle pin, it resides in the Colliculus Superior inside of the human brain, and it spreads its spiritual energy out in filligrain fashion over the human body, encompassing every cell, steering the genes and thereby influencing factors such as lifespan." The above text is an extract from your postNo.482. I wish to ask the following : 1 - Is this information merely a regurgitation of the scientific material presented by BEAM? 2 - If not, or it is a combination of the said material and empirical investigation, could you please direct me where I might read the research(or to the key people involved)? --------------------------------------------- Thanks, Kiril | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hello Members of the Forum, I can't understand what the OM cannon means when it says 'Creation is wise and a complete constant wonder.' (OM 52: 35), how can Creation be 'wise' in the sense a human considers another wise? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Simon! Creation is wise because wise means knowing, and Creation is comprised of all of us humans all over the universe. Therefore, also all we know, collectively - and then some - because only the physical realm is bound by space and time, so it stands to reason that Creation could also know all that ever will be known too! When you get as deep as my partner and I are into the investigation, you develop a very personal appreciation for Creation and its wise and loving generosity. It knows us like you know the back of your hand and it knows what is best for us. A lot of religions still have a faint echo of this in their scriptures. Creation is a personal force for every individual who learns to recognise it, and what is written in OM 34:200 is quite literally true. "Durch die Schöpfung folgen mir Gutes und Barmherzigkeit ein Leben lang, und ich werde bleiben im Hause der Schöpfung immerdar." (Through Creation, goodness and mercy follow me all my life and I would remain in the house of Creation always.)www.gaiaguys.net/OM279.htm 93. Der Mensch ist erst dann erleuchtet und völlig befreit, wenn er beständig und fortgesetzt in Gedanken in der unendlichen schöpferisch-geistigen Wirklichkeit verweilt. 93. The human is enlightened and fully freed only if he--in his thoughts--incessantly and constantly dwells in the endless creative-spiritual reality. www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/introduction.htm And what Jmmanuel said, written in TJ21:11, is LITERALLY true, as far as we can tell: "Truly, truly, I say to you, if you are knowledgeable and comprehending and embrace wisdom, and if you practice love truthfully and do not doubt, not only will you do such things with blind eyes, but when you say to the fig tree: 'Dry up' it will dry up. Or when you say to a mountain: 'Lift yourself up and throw yourself into the sea,' it will come to pass." Salome, Dyson | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Dyson, I have to know what the OM means by 'Creation', if we are speaking about the WHOLE Universe, then I can't understand how we could say it is 'wise', I mean it doesn't even think. For example, if there is a guy being beaten up in the end of the street by some thugs, then obviously Creation will not save him, another human or he himself who is a PART of Creations saves him. Also, Creation emcompasses both living and non-living, wise and unwise, that with and without thought. How can we say anything about Creation then? Dyson, I see there are some similarities between the verse from the TJ you quoted and Matthew 21:21, have you read that verse from the Bible? | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 483 Registered: 01-2004 |
Simon, How do you come to the conclusion that the Creation does not think ? If you think logically, then you realize that the human for example is a creation of the Creation, since the human being is capable of obtaining knowledge and wisdom, don't you think that the Creation itself has knowledge and wisdom? Knowledge, Truth and Wisdom are properties of the Creation itself and the human being as a creation of the Creation has the capability to obtain Truth, Knowledge and Wisdom by means of logical thinking and exploring. If you want to have a glimpse how the Creation thinks and works, just look around you, see Nature and the stars in the sky, then you will understand that everything in the whole Universe is a thought of the Creation itself. The Universe is the Creation, what we can experience with our five material senses is just the material part. Think first and explore this forum first before asking uninformed questions like that. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2006 |
Jacob this was nicely said,and should be enough for simon to free himself,or remain spiritually week based on his thinking/logic and of course many of us remember the tough spiritual thoughwork needed for our escapes into the light which is knowlegde.Salome Pudd | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2006 |
Simon That verse from the Talmud is very similar to the book of Matthew, however the book of matthew has greatly twisted the truth. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hello Simon: I have been actively pursuing the question you pose and many others antecedent to it. Although I don't have an answer to your/our question yet I would like to share with you some thoughts and conclusion I've made so far. If your feeling confused by the conclusions given by those who have replied to your post so far, you are quite right in your feeling - you will soon find out, if you pursue your line of questioning(for which I command you) further, that this grade of dogmatism(a failure to think) may be observed whenever such fundamental questions arise - even within the ranks of those who consider themselves well-informed(sic). I suggest, for the above reasons, that in this first case our dialogue be carried out privately - if you wish to do so my e-mail is: k_man_mango@hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------- Yours, Kiril | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 328 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Simon, yes, it is as Jacob, Pudd & Psycloud state. Have you studied www.tjresearch.info? You really should. Jim Deardorff has done all the hard work for us already. It's quite facinating to see what was LEFT OUT of Matthew. It tells you a lot about the "who-and-why" of today's crisis, not to mention our planet's tragic past. And www.gaiaguys.net/meierv1p150-157.htm might get you started with trying to get your head around the truth about the nature of Creation. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear moderators and forum members It has come to my attention of certain matters after following through the posts on this thread that I raise a few concerns which may have some validity that may be pertinent to some swift actions by the moderators, if you guys see fit to. The reality is, every individual is free to choose what they'll do, how they'll go about their lives and whatever else that falls within the criteria of the definition 'Freedom'. It's also a fact that every individual should exercise their responsibilities in upholding those freedoms, YET if those freedoms are knowingly or unknowingly exercised against the freedom of another, this by definition is oppression and force against the universal determination of what we as the student of the truth know as. Now, even though a certain member here may be exercising their own freedoms to illuminate a beginner in the merit of their own conclusion, it nonetheless could have a detrimental effect on the beginner if that certain member himself doesn't know much about the teachings or understand properly the deeper spiritual meanings contained in them. Wouldn't this then amount to nothing more than subtle coercion of the blind trying to lead the blind? So the bottom line is, in matters of spiritual information which must be kept stringently free from misinterpretation, misrepresentation, misunderstanding and mispresentation, I would like to ask the moderators to warn any persons of exchanging their private e-mail address on this forum for the purposes of influence, be it indirect, subtle, coercive, manipulative etc because every beginner is entitled to go about trying to find answers for themselves with the MOST ACCURATE information without unduly being influenced or coerced to the tainted direction of another who is just as confused. I would dearly love some feedback on this issue from you dear forum members and moderators in how best to deal with such scenario, if it is deemed important and critical to the issues of disseminating the truthful truth. Thank you very much Matt | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2006 |
Thanks for your answer, Jacob. But, when saying 'wise' we are saying that Creation could think? Certainly, a man who is a part of Creation can think, but how can we say Creation is wise? I mean when we say Creation what are we speaking of, Jacob you have said that since a human who is a part of creation can attain knowledge and truth and wisdom, so can Creation itself? How come? I mean, I always saw it this way, Creation is Creation its laws and nature sustain all, but about those within it - They have to attain knwoldege of IT and they are knowledgable, understand ITS nature and they are wise.. I mean if we say that Creation, as a whole can think, isn't that similar to the concept of a Personal God? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 12-2005 |
hehehehe....case - and - point  | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 484 Registered: 01-2004 |
Simon, No, the Creation is no way near similar to the concept of a 'personal god'. The illusion of a 'personal god' is nothing more then a lie to keep the general people dumb and ignorant, the Creation will never engage in to any personal dialogue or support with any of it's creations, all humans in the whole universe, regardless their development level are completely self-responsible for all their thoughts, feelings, emotions and actions. The Creation is everything natural that is either spiritual, fine-material or coarse-material in this Universe (illogical things like war, bloodshed, murder and everything else in this regard are unnatural and do not stem from the Creation, those things are products of humans and their free will based on illogical thoughts and unbalanced feelings). Keep in mind that the free will has it's limits in the laws and commandments of the Creation, no people can violate the natural creative laws and commandments so much without destroying themselves. It's laws and commandments are the backbone so to speak of the whole Universe and we are an unseperatble part of it. The Creation created the human, and equiped the human brain and the human spirit with the capabilities to obtain Truth, Knowledge and Wisdom. The conclusion is that the intelligence that created the human being is far greater then any intelligence we as humans have. We are not capable of understanding the Universe nor the Human being completely, not by a long shot. You assume that the Creation can not think, which is a wrong conclusion, it does think, but on a much higher level then we do. It thinks, and its results can be witnessed every day in Nature itself. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2004 |
HELLO DYSON... i could'nt find a way to email you through your website so i figure this is the next best place. i would like to talk to you about greer, and how i could possibly get in touch with him, secondly i would like to share something about the freemasons, black ops and missing children in my neck of the woods. upon remembering some seemingly unimportant ezxperiences in my past of recent years, i've recently connected the dots and i would like to share something with you. if you are interested just email me at peter_brodowski@yahoo.ca thanks.} | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2006 |
If all illogical/unnatural things stem from man, and all men stem from Creation, then all illogical/unnatural things stem from Creation. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 485 Registered: 01-2004 |
No, because illogical and unnatural things like war, bloodshed, murder, etc are always against the natural creative laws and commandments of the Creation, the Creation does never act against it's own laws and commandments, only humans with their free will can and do that. Nature, when it is not 'corrected' by men is a prime example of harmony and balance, as soon as the human being interferes with his illogical thinking all harmony, balance and logic is gone. Eventhough the human is a creation of the Creation, the human is responsible for feelings, thoughts and actions which are either in accordance with the natural creative laws or are against it. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 12-2005 |
As to creations ability to "think" - which entails the existence of consciousness - that is, of awareness. Mr.Meier sais: "A spiritual intellect does not exist. Intellect belongs into the material realm and has to do with the consciousness." Intellect denotes the ability to form ideas and to reason(A formal definition of intellect from Dictionary.com - 2. capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge) - this implies the process of thought or cognition. It is clearly stated above that the intellect belongs to the material realm - of which(if they exist) the 'spirit-form' and 'Creation' are not apart.....? - Furthermore could we say from the above that consciousness is an aspect of the material realm, only? As a side note: Even primitive animals have some ability of cognition, however this form of cognition is non-rational(and not at the point of forming concepts), which is the distinguishing characteristic of the human. Simon, as to the definitions of creation and universe : we may say that the universe is the cosmological domain of creation, its 'body'. By cosmological I mean space under an ordering force/energy. By domain I mean a finite area of space or a 'sphere of action'. To understand my definition you must understand that the concept universe has two meanings depending on its context of use. We may speak of a universe as ALL but we may also speak of a universe(as is most common in biological studies) as denoting a sphere or realm or domain(abstract or concrete) in which something happens, something exists. Without this distinction, since the plejarens use the word Universe and Creation interchangeably, things make no sense. So we may understand Creation as a being(non-material in nature - that is, not made of matter) that acts upon a space-domain(finite area of space) - which we call the DERN-universe(for instance). It is not clear to me yet if such a power exists - nor have I seen a derivation, on this forum or the translations of the gaiaguys, that even comes close to proving this - in philosphic or scientific terms. To even consider answering your question you would need to prove its existence and nature(at least in philosophic terms). Authors like Spinoza with his concept of god(distinct from the 'god' of religions - as a being whose very nature is to exist and from which all things emerge) and Nietzsche with his concept of "The will to power", amongst others - present ideas that I have found helpful in searching for the answer. (Note - I have omitted certain comments as per your decision to here my ideas in the forums eye) | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Peter (and others in similar situations) This is a matter for your local police. You should ask them (very sweetly!!!) first if they are FMs. They are not allowed to deny it. I'm very sorry to say that the number of people who now "would like to share something about the freemasons, black ops and missing children in my neck of the woods," has grown so huge that we can no longer cope with personal emails on that topic. And you have now endangered yourself by writing what you did here. I suggest you get your information together as soon as you can on a website. (These vermin are nocturnal and cannot operate in the glare of public scrutiny.) When you've done that, we'll study your material and decide about providing a link to it. Good luck, Dyson | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2006 |
A spiritual intellect does not exist. Intellect belongs into the material realm and has to do with the consciousness This is what I wanted to hear. Correct me if you guys have to, but I understand it like this that when Creation is wise, it doesn't act as 'God' would, like it would intervien Thugs beating up a guy in the corner of a street[an example]. But, it is wise in that sense that its nature makes one accustomed to the life lead by that being, which is a part of Creation. Like adaptation of people to climate and land. Or each animal has its characteristic physical body and instinct [given by nature] to protect itself. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello dyson, thanks for your reply, i hear you are very busy so the last thing i want to do is bother you and your partner. it's odd because years ago, when i was just getting into the ufo-world, i was passing through a not to distant town and noticed how odd it was that all these small towns are freemason, every building practically had a freemason symbol, all the "churches" were free mason. the 2nd thing i noticed was the unusually large amount of missing children for such a small population. none of this really clicked until a dream i had two nights ago. i'll refrain from posting it to save time on your behalf. dyson, i have endangered myself long ago, and not to sound careless (because i do care a lot), i am most confertable where the fire burns the hottest. i dont like sitting around when there is so much evil minded people having a blast at others expense. i've already had near lethal encounters with the cowardly nut jobs. on an informative level i agree to do as you suggest, about spreading this info. on a more personal level it's kind of a catch 22, either you ignore the very real problem, or you step on their toes every chance you get for the sake of truth and love. unfortunetly the latter will put your life in danger, but a clever individual will out match an entire army, all you have to do is play their own game... distort, confuse, intimidate and repeat.what good is a gun if your pointing it at your own head? sure i put myself in danger by writing what i wrote, they read this forum and act on the info they read. they are not the only ones who can manipulate, for them to assume that everything written here by a person corresponds to how that person actual feels or what he/she thinks shows just how stupid they are. and if this "phantom star giver" is with those menacing forces, well , that's got DESPERATE MEASURES written all over it, reminds me of a monkey falling off a tree into an alligators mouth, just a couple last attempts to grab a branch, to hold on to what's already lost. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Jacob, In your post # 484, in reference to a "Personal god"; in my discussions with friends they say "I don't believe in god" and yet they feel they must follow religious festivities because they "want to belong". When I express my understanding of Spirituality and what I now understand Creation to be, they are quick to point out that they too are spiritual people believing that God lies within their heart; for them spirituality is where god and spirituality are one force and one power within their psyche. Is this a confusion of their consciousness and subconsciousness resulting primarily from upbringing? If I was to begin to explain the differences as once I tried, sooner or later I would put my foot into it, so to speak, but when I mention Ezekiel in the bible they seem very interested. Is seems that everybody is a "spiritual" being merely because they don't believe that god exists yet nobody truly comprehends the full implications of the meaning of Creation and the cause and effect of such a conscious decision. How can this critical difference be explained to a confused human or is it better not to? | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 486 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Melli, A lot of people follow religious festivities because they do not want to be alone, not because they actually believe in those festivities as celebration for their religion. It is also common that people label 'god' and 'spiritual' as one and the same to silience their conscience, and the feeling deep down inside that there is more then just the material life. How can people believe they are spiritual when they do not know one iota about their own spirit? They are just believing in a higher force without investigating it or questioning the mainstream doctrins (cult-religions) about it. Many people are so consumed with their material life that the spiritual life is just an afterthought merely out of the fact that material life ends. When it comes to religious people; There are more factors concerning the confusion of the material consciousness and material subconsciousness, not only the upbringing is the factor, but also the location where the person lives (for example: places like the Vatican and Mecca have highly concentrated cult-religious thought-energies and fluidal forces which influence everybody in its surroundings), also genetical factors are present, it is fully possible to inherit religious beliefs from a parent. It is wise to analyse the situation and see if the person is receptive to a discussion about spirituality and god, and if the person is openminded enough to think and be critical about their own beliefs, pick your discussions with people carefully, it is of no use to throw your pearls before the swine. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 487 Registered: 01-2004 |
Klausmaus, Another remark about your reasoning in post #16: Your reasoning is very similar to this 'logic': A woman is a human, a man is human, so all women are men. The facts are that women have other properties then men, and vice versa. Think about this when it comes to the Creation and the material human being. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey jacob, i was wondering if your can share you opinion with me on the following topic... women as we know are more sensitive than man, or i guess we can say more "detailed" in that regard. i find that women that live in the big cities, for that's where i live... a great majority of them seem to treat men like men are inferior to them in regards to understanding what love is, in regards to having knowledge of what a relationship is supposed to be like, what is correct and what is wrong. they always seem to expect men to look at it from their point of view, and carelessly comment on how men are insensitive. weks ago i was in a movie theatre and heard a woman saying "what's wrong with guys, their so perverted" and i felt like saying something, but decided women are sensitive and i have experienced something similair before and decided it is best to let her be. in anycase, i wonder if many women stop to think what it must be like to be a man. i only hear them talking about themselves "you know what child birth is like"... "i'm a woman, i'm supposed to cry" and various other things along those lines. i am suprised sometimes at how a creature such as the human female, as sensitive and in tune with the things around her/them that she/they are, they dont see some of the most obvious a simple things about men and life in general. so i am not asking a particular question, and anybodies reply is welcom, most certainly a womans... but perhaps you have something insightfull to share concerning this. thanks. hopefully i dont offend any women with this post, no offense intended... that could be another fine example of my own experiences; a woman wants honesty, and i hold it back for considerations sake, and it back fires on me ahh well woman are still the most precuois things(i dont mean objects, like some may think possibly) in my opinion, along beside the spirit and nature throughout existance. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mr. Jacob, Men and women are comparatively equal. Men and Creation are not. Your analogy does not follow. Creation created man as an imperfect being, therefore, it is impossible for him not to have some thoughts, feelings and actions that would be illogical, irrational and against natural/creational laws. It is clearly self-evident that Creation created this structure that allows man the possibility of acting against itself. It couldn’t be otherwise. A natural barbarism as it is called? If man was created perfect, how could Creation evolve? | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 04-2006 |
On Gaiaguys OM page page it mentions Update on Semjase: She has now attained the rank of full Jschrjsch - "Goddess/Queen of Knowledge" and continues to live and work in the DAL Universe while making a full recovery from her fall. Quetzal is also now a full Jschrjsch like Ptaah. http://www.gaiaguys.net/OM.htm My question is how does a Plejaren or person know when they have reached the rank/level of King/Queen of Knowledge (Jschrjsch), where they are at the level where they know all the spiritual knowledge that a human (they) can possibly know? Are they informed of this that they have reached that level from a Jschrjsch (Ptaah), or from the Arahat Athersata, or do they just know it themselves when they have reached that level, and know there is no further spiritual knowledge they can learn? How do they know when they've reached the stage where they know it all? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 342 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt, They have to study long and hard to get there and pass a difficult examination. Like school. The path of spiritual evolution is also an intellectual one. I think www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm sheds some light on this. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2006 |
If all love stems from Creation, so does all hate. If all logic stems from Creation, so does all illogic. For love and hate are just opposite poles of the same thing. Same for logic/illogic. Nothing exists as a single entity. Everything is a duality. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 01-2006 |
Klausmaus: "If all love stems from Creation, so does all hate. If all logic stems from Creation, so does all illogic. For love and hate are just opposite poles of the same thing. Same for logic/illogic. Nothing exists as a single entity. Everything is a duality." Klausmaus, Creation is not (have) duality. You are talking about two different things there. Creation is an entity. Love, hate, logic and illogic are not entities. They (duality of them things) are merely the tools that creational spirits use to learn/evolute in the material realm. Thats why there is duality there - to learn. It is illogical to think that Creation is (has) duality. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 04-2006 |
Klausmaus it seems to be you are a "know-it-all". Have you read most of Billy`s books? Are you trying to apply human logic/human mathematics (human at this miserable level of development) to creation laws and commandments? Do you really think you as a human can compare your intelect to creation`s intellect/consciousness? As you will know, theres is not only one kind of logic, there are plenty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic#Topics_in_logic What logic are you always referring to? Besides, you are supposing man and creation in the same level/category while it`s not the case.Trillions of years must pass before that.Years of acquiring information/knowledge which you and i dont have yet. Have you learned to recognize creation` laws and commandments? Which are they? | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2006 |
Klausman,the spirit is willing,but it's the flesh that's week(talmud).Read,more to know more. All this knowledge flowing about here in the forums,,Salome as I can't wait till we reach a higher consciousness,as a whole race of earth human's. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril and others, It may have been from a previous post by me concerning trains of thought which brought about this comment... Kiril Post 118 In regards to this sentence: Mr.Meier says: "A spiritual intellect does not exist. Intellect belongs into the material realm and has to do with the consciousness." Do remember the reference to the above quote? So does that mean there is a coarse matter intellect, and a fine matter intellect? Those being the two "material" realms or am I getting this wrong and the fine matter realm is only inhabited by spiritual forms with no intellect? In other words my question would be... is there a spiritual mind (which I've read reference to such in the Meier material) AND an intellectual or material mind? It seems logical that the akashic records of each life supporting planetary system hold total knowledge for those within the reincarnation cycle of that star/planet system or do they hold all knowledge of all galaxies? (seems logical that they would hold all knowledge) To somewhat answer my own question... Billy does speak with the Petale and Arahat Athersata levels so there is that form of communication... but, is there any Meier material explaining a natural electrical/creational transference of truths or expressions of love? Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hi Rarena, yes, it was rather troublesome to find the source using the forum search system, so here is the link to the post: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6295.html#POST21253 -- Atm I can only reply briefly: if you notice the statement is, "intellect belongs" - not spiritual intellect. However this is a rather subjective position on my side since I think the statement is up for interpretation. Also you should realise(unless I am wrong in my interpretation) that when we speak of, course and fine matter we are still speaking of the material realm - we are merely distinguishing a gradation - that is, fine matter --is not equivalent to-- the spiritual realm(as the Meier info distinguishing it). When we are speaking of the spiritual we are speaking of some substance/existence fundamentally different(in nature) from matter(even though it may be related to it). As I understand it, this is the realm of the 'Spirit' and 'Creation' - and this is what Meier refers to when he says, "the spiritual intellect does not exist." (And co-incidently, since you have asked before indirectly, my position is that, it is by virtue of this realm(with some exceptions) that light propagates.) So, following the above and taking your question,"is there a spiritual mind" - the answer is, no - if there is no spiritual intellect there is no spiritual mind(although this is open, depending on ones definition of mind). Perhaps, since we have a number of interested people in this topic, we can prepare a set of related questions to forward to Billy, next question session.(I can setup the IRC chat channel again to carry out the formulation if anyone is interested)? Btw how do you define - "Mind"? ---------------------------------------------------------- Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hector, "Klausmaus it seems to be you are a "know-it-all". Have you read most of Billy`s books?" Hector have you read "most" of Billy's books? "Are you trying to apply human logic/human mathematics (human at this miserable level of development) to creation laws and commandments?" I guess the alternative is creational/spiritual logic/maths ? Might you tell us what exactly this other, non-humanly, non earthly logic/math involves, what are its distinguishing principles? "Do you really think you as a human can compare your intelect to creation`s intellect/consciousness? " Do you understand(know if it exists), I mean really know, what is 'Creation'(and the spirit) and its essential nature, and if that nature entails an intellect at all? How do you know it? "Have you learned to recognize creation` laws and commandments? Which are they?" Have you? If you answer yes here, you must be able to answer yes to all other previous questions! And if you answer no, you leave yourself open to being recognised as a, know_it_nothing_at_all!! And since I'm sure you cannot answer yes to ANY of the questions, allow me to suggest that you have neither the capacity or the right approach to enter in to this discussion, the way you have!!!!! - even if you could answer yes! After having read these words of mine, which are necessarily putrid, perhaps you will understand, at least emotionally, the reasons behind my assertions above(and those others like you). | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 04-2006 |
Kiril, I`ll try, contrary to your tactics, to discuss each point about creation/creational laws that i posted above. I`ve read only free texts, free excerpts from all of billys books on german language, all Gaiaguys material and ALL figu german bulletins, and ALL the geisteslehre and (spirit lessons) questions in the german Forum.Thanks to my parents and their education/dedication, i master the german language, which is an immense advantage in this case.Kiril, i am no know-it-all, i assure you, but i`ve made my homework. I quote Billy dear Kiril: "He who knows the truth needs no arguing". That will upset you for sure.Disgusting isn`t it?Think about that.No arguing.That is not my case, because i am very very far from arahat athesata, as you are. What i meant with "Have you learned to recognize creation` laws and commandments? Which are they?" was "have you made a real effort to TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND POINT OUT these laws".Or do you use these definitions just like hollow rethoric? "Do you really think you as a human can compare your intelect to creation`s intellect/consciousness? " This is pretty easy to understant.Until you and me and everybody reach arahat athersata we have a real hard job to do.If you want to compare to creation, you have first to UNDERSTAND creation.Thanks to Billy we know a little bit more, but that`s not enough.You have to generate your OWN package of ideas about what`s creation and how does it manifestate.Quoting Billy "your thoughts have to dive, delve constantly in the creational universal mysteries". Kiril, all you have done is trying to negate EVERYTHING that i wrote above, and you suggest that im a nerd that cannot give a proper answer to your questions but a single " i dunno". That " i dunno ", i tell you, is an excellent answer.It means i don`t know NOW, but i will strive to know (striving, one law of creation, explained by Christian Frehner please see www.theyfly.com/PDF/SpiritualDevelopment.pdf). My questions were adressing mr.Klausmaus and its mr Klausmaus responsability to ignore me, answer me, blame me, criticize me, or teach me.It is not your task to defend him prior to his answer.He can do it alone. Now i`ve finished my "arguing".Let`s begin with yours.You say "After having read these words of mine, which are necessarily putrid, perhaps you will understand, at least emotionally, the reasons behind my assertions above(and those others like you)".Can you explain which ones are "those others like you"? What do you mean? Do you consider all those like me arrogant, prepotent know-it-alls, ignorant monkeys? Why are your words NECESSARILY PUTRID? How can i, Kiril, understand your words since you just add more questions to my questions while you try to deny them without presenting a single argument? And please how do you dare to say "And since I'm sure you cannot answer yes to ANY of the questions "....¿?¿? Do you master primary/real telepathy? Can you read my mind? Do you control MY thoughts? I resume it for you...PREJUDGEMENT.Prejudgement is not fair, and it is not correct to prejudge if you have no alternative/answer. PREJUDGEMENT not backed by arguments is plain ridiculization attempt.Billy, M.Horn and other outsiders have suffered it for a long time. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hello Hector, If you don't mind me asking - how old are you? I turned 22 just recently. -"Putrid" - as yours were. -The others whom know nothing real about the nature of reality besides the writings of Mr.Meier - whom have accepted it as the default and whom use it as a substitute for their own eyes and ears(and understanding) - and never know it(the way they are) because it(the mentality) has become internalised to such a great extent - and their addiction to certainty(sic), overwhelming. And then proceed to draw conclusions from this 'contra-knowledge' and speak of it as the absolute, the "true truth". Whom speak of spiritual intellect and know not of what they speak - and where it does not exist-- whom speak of "arahat athesata" as if it were a fact of reality -- whom have decided that a conscious,'ordering', evolving 'power'(creation) exists and that they feel they have a "personal relationship with it" -- whom believe that the scientific information provided by Mr.Meier actually constitutes real knowledge, and depend on it as such. Whom say to them selves, "its got to be right." (of course I am speaking of a spectrum of minds here, rather then two alternative archetypes.) -I do not make a judgement on your character or actions. But contrary to what you may think your words make it quite clear to any discerning eye, to what extent you know and how you know(how it exists in your mind) it(and part of your psychology) - this is limited to the topic of which you speak and those closely related subjects. Besides, I have asked you questions to the same effect before, which you admitted you could not answer - since mans knowledge is hierarchical in nature it is easy to extrapolate from there. Beyond this point I'm not interested in answering to your post, on this forum, since the matter becomes personal. Kiril | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 04-2006 |
Kiril this is a FIGU forum.If people come here it means they feel attracted by the teachings of Billy Meier and the UFO controversy.Once you study Meier more to the detail you forget the UFO stuff and concentrate in his spirit lessons, because he can offer valid answers to the most important questions of man,who am i, where do i come from, why im i here...and so on.... Meier & Figu rejects directly blind belief.I accept Meier teachings because it is the best guide to understand the world as a whole that i`ve ever read.Perhaps you prefer Carl Jung, Niezsche or Freud...i respect that.In matters of psychology we all have to base our knowledge on other people. Billy Meier seems to be "too simple" to be true.But simple statements like "reincarnation is a law of creation" make you think/meditate for months.Nobody can prove reincarnation exists.I can´t.You can`t.But it makes sense.For me, Meier reincarnation model/theory fits my own thoughts/ideas/scheme of this world i live in.Before Meier I had no specific answers for spiritual questions.I tried quantum mechanics.I tried biology.But Meier links them all.Some kind of unified spiritual/material theory. Don`t worry i will not idolize Billy because he warned of the terrible effect idolizing has, i thought about it and came to the same conclusion...Meier teachings will not enslave my judgement, my freedom or my own responsibility.And of course, i will confront all Meier statements with objective skepticism. The spirit lessons are like a pure theory teacher, that YOU HAVE TO APPLY to everyday life, or they lose their validity. Pure theoric knowledge is like a RAM memory bank, wisdom that vanishes if it is not applied to your own acts and feelings.All these "incredible theories" by Billy Meier must be digested slowly by everyones intelect, not directly accepted as true.Many people are not prepared to be confronted to the truth (or billy`s statements).Some people even killed themselves after being exposed to the plejaren material..they got crazy. So i want to conclude we all are dependant, to some extent, of other intelectual sources.I admit Meier is in the top of my list, being Gandhi the second.It will be that way until some other person arrives with a better offering.(tom cruise`s scientology, perhaps ?) I`m 33 years old and science man, i`m civil engineer...that`s why i couldnt ask your previous questions, i never studied academic psychology,psychiatrics and there are many people in this forum who are better qualified than me to talk about those issues. Regards my friend we are all in the same boat so let`s row together... | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hello Hector, Thankyou kindly for opening up the way you have, it is very valuable to me because I think you speak for the majority of people on this forum - and because I had not considered the possibility of such a viewpoint. It has led me to finally understand that the problem is not borne merely of the quality of ideas but the psychology of the mind that grasps them - first and foremost. For this reason I would like to state again my appreciation for your openness. Having said all this, I'd like to make it clear that I disagree with this viewpoint to the extreme, however, fore now, let us agree - to disagree. Kiril | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear moderators, is there any possibility that one of you will include definitions for SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS and SPIRITUAL SUBCONSCIOUSNESS in the terminology section (including what exactly their functions are)? I don't mean to sound like a broken record and I know that you have lives outside of the forum. I am just asking if in the near future if there might be an addition about these terms to the definitions section of the forum when your schedules permit... Thanks sincerely... | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear folks, Creation and our brains can never be compared. One is infinitely greater than the other. We somehow harbor a pinpoint sized "piece" of creation in there, kind of a paradox... and I'm not speaking of two guys in white coats here. Therefore... the connection of infinite with finite is very difficult to conceive of. Let's learn at our own rates and help each other to do so... k? The same with Arahat Athersata... how can you speak of something that is non physical. In a material beings' perspective: it is not physical therefore it does not exist... right? It is not real when using the coarse matter conscious "big" brain (Cerebram). Hence the difficulty of explaining such a concept to someone primarily concerned with materialism. How many thoughts can you fit into the organ the size of a grapefruit? Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2005 |
" how can you speak of something that is non physical. In a material beings' perspective: it is not physical therefore it does not exist... right?" Wrong. Because: by non physical I think you mean non-material - or not open to the senses, directly? If that is the case you are incorrect. We know of the existence and nature of an electric field(amongst other phenomenon) even though it is not directly open to the senses. We may derive this understanding by recognising the law of causality and its various corollaries - that is, studying the effects of an electric field and its relation to other things/systems - and then developing new extensions to our senses and abstract mathematical tools to grasp it with certainty. Furthermore, I propose that by the law of causality every existence is related directly or indirectly - so we may expect that there exists a 'bridge' between the world of matter and non-matter(the spiritual world) - and if the Plejarens are anything to go by, it definitely exists. It is also possible to derive certain general characteristics of a phenomenon on a philosophic basis - hence the law of causality, amongst others. The rest of your argument in the paragraph to which the above extract belongs fall apart on this basis - and btw - since you are implying that the size of ones brain determines ones capacity for ideas, could you tell us how much room does one idea take - I'd prefer the answer in standard scientific units (idea.(s^-3)) ? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2005 |
I should add that my argument above applies only if you are trying to suggest that the human mind is not capable of grasping the spiritual realm. If you mean to say merely, that it is more difficult, then naturally I agree. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 08-2004 |
While Creation's human outposts and Creation itself have consciousness, didn't Billy say words to the effect that "intellect" is the domain of humankind and the brain, and that Creation does not have an intellect Itself (other than in the form of its offspring possessing brains)? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Kiril, You're right in your argument but that was not my point in discussion #94. Non physical is to (material-only) thought processes: non existant. To a higher consciousness, (I.E. Spiritual consciousness/fine matter environment it IS possible.) Content vs context. Consider the context. If you put everything that you can imagine and know physically and non physically... on an island, there is still an infinite amount of knowledge that is not on that island. The amount that you have on this island, in the realm of infinity, of which we are all a part... is infinite. It is a point of perspective, that's all... think bigger...think Universally... there is no them... only us. Imagination, as used above, is more important than knowledge or scientific notation. My point in #94 was the exact opposite of the physical size of ones brian. Isn't it a paradox that so many ideas can fit into such a small device/organ. Your brain can hold an unlimited... almost infinite... number of thoughts. Einstein had a small brain yet he understood many things without the use of mathematics. This is not about ego here... at least not about the physical/material/coarse matter ego. Provided by Jakobjn and Robyn (thanks): Description of the Psyche, ego or soul (outdated term): The material / half material factor in the human being which is responsible for material-conscious: [sic](ego/material) feelings and material conscious thoughts [sic](spiritual/energy). The Psyche dies with the body but the spiritual part remains and does not die. It CAN'T... it's not physical. The material part of our brain is concerned with "What will they think?" it is the piedly little insignificant part of us, the waggish, egoistisch/selfish part of us... The other part is concerned with love and the ability to help others and to seek and recognize truth. Ummm oh, yeah I get it... you just get it... if you're ready. But the truth is, and the truth is harsh... it's not about how much you have... but what you do with the energy you receive. Love is the pathway. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 952 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rarena, I thought the brain was really the holder of memories or information, such as a computer and the material consciousness was responsible for thinking or producing thought. Granted memories could be the result of certain thinking processes or the memory of thoughts already thought, but I don't see how it can store thoughts..maybe I am misunderstanding this? Scott | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hehehe... this is just great - "Ummm oh, yeah I get it... you just get it... if you're ready." - sounds like the beginnings of a song to me (no offence intended)? Rarena I found it very difficult to understand your post to which the above quote belongs. For this reason I've decided not to directly reply to it - other then to say that my arguments against your posts should not be interpreted as an egotists means to self-esteem. I have a question however: what is the nature of a thought process belonging to the material realm and the spiritual(finematter) realm, respectively? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 06-2005 |
"...the brain is the holder of memories...and the material consciousness is responsible for thinking.." I was wondering if it is possible to strengthen the Mind and consequently the memory bank by practicing the Spirit prayer by asking IT to help the material mind: for ex: My spirit creation give me the strength to think Positive Neutral and fill my consciousness with knowledge and logic and give me strength to remember. Or something along those lines...? | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, If thoughts can be recalled through memory, and the brain holds memories, aren't thoughts then stored silently deep in ones memory section of the brain? Or are you thinking perhaps they are stored somewhere less physical like in the subconscious? I say this in deference to Woody Allen's, "Is a memory something you have or something you've lost?" | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, Am not really sure, about the memory part of the brain… my previous post was mainly referring to the intellect or mind in regards to the psyche and spiritual parts of it. Since the tiny pin point of creation resides in the Colliculus Superior region of our brain it (the Brain) has the form of both physical and spiritual/non physical you, however, bring up a good point and here is some evidence to further substantiate my position. This first quote came from Robyn on Oct 27, 2006 @ 7:36am who quoted Jocob http://forum.fogu.org/us/messages/13/3598.html#POST12110.... under Part 1 Psyche. Taken from the books "Die Psyche, Arahat Athersata,OM", etc. Psyche = Psyche; The material / half material factor in the human being which is responsible for material - conscious feelings and material conscious thoughts... Gemüt / Mind: The purely spiritual part of the spirit with a similar function as the psyche... It is my perception... the planet and the level of consciousness of it's inhabitants has something to do with memory as well. This connection if it exists... is logically non physical in nature. Some super sensitive people are attached to the Akashic record such as Edgar Cayce was and it may be the mind which connects us to that. Memory is not physical, is it? A thought can not be called physical or can it? The impulse sent to the brain from activated receptors and sensory neurons fire synapsis and we are given a photon of light which by it's very nature is a "wavicle"... an energy-particle. So a thought seems like an energy which equals fine matter or non material/physical. Energy = fine matter and Material matter = coarse matter. It is my understanding, and Scott you may know more about this... the planet holds memory of those who have passed in a collective consciousness block which may be related to the van Allen belts of Erra/Earth and uses this information to "decide" the personality of the next incarnation and the brain is the connector to this resource. The other post I drew from was posted on Thursday February 24, 2005 6:29 pm: don't have the link: concerning Material Consciousness: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The material consciousness is the human brain, the cerebrum (big brain), The direct - It personifies the force in the human in which all functions of decision-making, all thought -processes, considerations and deliberations and also speculations, etc, are executed, so thus actual thinking. [Which is the exact opposite of the former quote by Jacob.] Material Sub consciousness is the small brain, the cerebellum, the Indirect? It personifies the force in humans in which every process of the material consciousness is stored, but also all things will be registered when felt, sensed, material conscious grasped, seen, experienced, heard, or anything else that got into the material sub consciousness. Psyche: The psyche is the half-material block and factor in the material body of a [human] life form... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We require a body in order to advance in spiritual evolution and a body requires a spirit in order to live. The tiny dot of creational energy [energy is considered fine matter or non physical yet is somehow contained in our brains.] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [from Gaiaguys.net] OM Kanon 49 line 20. The spiritual intellect must be quite consciously developed through the consciousness, because it is not sufficient to think that it moves in higher forms of its own volition. [from Gaiaguys.net] 20. De geistige Intellekt muss ganz bewusst entwickelt werden, denn es genügt nicht, zu denken, dass er sich von selbst in höhere Formen bewege. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 366 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, According to Billy, if I remember correctly from one of his books (can’t recall which one) the brain is more like a transceiver, with thoughts, etc, taking a complex path involving the material consciousness, the collective consciousness and the spiritual consciousness. Brains, per se, are not as important as most folks have been led to believe. The below is an excerpt from an intriguing interview with the great Tom Bearden, and can be found on www.gaiaguys.net/beardenmegabrain.htm If this annoys you, please take your concerns to Dr. Bearden, not me. :-) Cheers! Dyson (snip) There exists a rare, completely bafflingly medical phenomenon - which has until recently been concealed - called hydrancephaly. To the normal materialistic Western biologist, this condition is astonishing, to say the least. In hydrancephaly, a person's cranial cavity is filled almost totally with fluid, not with brain matter. There may be only 5% or so of the brain in there; typically just the small portion on the tip of the spine. The other 95% of the brain case is filled with fluid. Yet the individual may be as normal as you or I. Except, of course, that x-rays of his head will astonish all the doctors. A few years ago, for example, such a hydrancephalic individual graduated from a university in Great Britain, with a degree in mathematics. British news actually made a video documentary on this subject, and particularly on that individual. Now obviously hydrancephaly proves rather conclusively that it isn't really the brain matter or the electrical wiggles in the two hemispheres that constitute the mind. Those wiggles normally are correlated with, and communicate back and forth with, the internal Whittaker dynamics of the bio- potential. The brain is a special communications and processing station, interfacing sensors and processed stuff from the external world to the Whittaker-sets, and outputs from the Whittaker-sets to the body and cells. If just a small functioning part of this "way station" remains fully functional, the interfacing still exists. Question: Can you shed any light on the functioning of the fluid that fills 95% of the brain cavity of a hydrancephalic? A: Perhaps a little bit. There's an interesting thing about fluid - about water. The hydrogen bonding structure of water is enormously complex and richly varying. Bond- structuring of water constitutes a special kind of "neo- Whittaker" substructure inside a special kind of potential for that particular body of water. A glass of water, for example, has an overall neo-potential comprised of its hydrogen bond structuring. That water will change its internal bonding structure if you enter the room, or if you blink your eye while observing it. It continually adjusts to everything in its surroundings. The reason is, everything in its environment has charges, and clumps or orderings or structures of potential. And the internal Whittaker structures of all those potentials overlap because the potentials overlap. Therefore the internal bidirectional Whittaker EM waves intercommute. The internal dynamics of the water receives inputs from the surroundings this way, and the water's bonding structure changes accordingly. We've only known the complexity and richness of this water structuring for less than two decades, and so far as I know, no one else seems to be considering the Whittaker infolded EM wave structure aspects of it. The point is this In the fluid inside the head of a functional hydrancephalic, the water structuring is quite sufficient to provide the rest of the needed "way-station two-way tuner, processor, and transmitter-receiver." The reason is quite simple The potential of the fluid constitutes a partial potential in the overall bio-potential of the body. It's like the pressure of a mixture of gases the overall pressure consists of the partial pressures of the component gases. The Whittaker structures ensure intermingling and intercommunication through the internal energy channels of the total bio-potential to all its constituents. Therefore the water structuring of the fluid in the head of the hydrancephalic serves - bridgewise - as a substitute brain. Other supporting evidence, of course, is that quantum mechanics experiments have essentially established action- at-a-distance and quantum correlation. The quantum potential, therefore, is something real and functional after all. (snip) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 04-2006 |
There have been medical cases in which a brain has had several and critical injuries, like the one who tried to commit suicide shooting himself nails into the brain, or patients having their two hemispheres completely cut/separated, and afterwards they could recall their memories perfectly. There is a Cambridge University biologist called Ruphert Sheldrake who says that memories could be stored outside the brain ,something that would give autenticity and credit to Billy`s storage banks; in his own words: "Memory poses a thorny problem for materialists. Attempts to locate memory-traces within the brain have so far proved unsuccessful. Experiments have shown that memory is both everywhere and nowhere in particular. Sheldrake suggests that the reason for the recurrent failure to find memory-traces in brains is very simple: they do not exist there. He goes on: "A search inside your TV set for traces of the programs you watched last week would be doomed to failure for the same reason: The set tunes in to TV transmissions but does not store them" (The Rebirth of Nature, p. 116). It is true that damage to specific areas of the brain can impair memory in certain ways, but this does not prove that the relevant memories were stored in the damaged tissues. Likewise, damage to parts of a TV circuitry can lead to loss or distortion of the picture but this does not prove that the pictures were stored inside the damaged components". Full text here http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-shl.htm | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 06-2005 |
Jacob, If you are still with us I would really appreciate if you could you please allaborate on my question in post #182? I would really appreciate a clarification. I gave an example of a Spirit prayer following the original spirit prayer, here in the archives, and I would like to understand if I could change my material thinking and therefore change my sub-consciousness by thinking and /or saying a prayer as a request to my own spirit and then the knowledge/logic/belief acquired through this practice would enrich my spirit's consciousness because the spirit would have acquired a new experience and therefore help my material consciousness continue its progress on its evolutive path?. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 368 Registered: 03-2004 |
Billy confirms Sheldrake in one of his bulletins. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Sheldrake.htm Severing the corpus callosum is done to fix grave epilepsy, and results in BIZARRE and totally counterintuitive effects. Check it out. It’s one of the most fascinating areas in the study of consciousness/neurophysiology. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 689 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson, Scott and Rarena... Dyson and Rarena, very well put. I would agree that "Memory" is just "Fine-Material Matter = Energy!" Which in our case, are our "Evolution Memory Data", and which are Stored in the suited Storage Data Banks. To compare it with a Hard Drive of a PC: The Hard Drive is the Material aspect; in this case, in other words: the Physical body/component/element...etc. Which 'Temporarily' Stores the fed data, if you will: WE put into it. Just as our Material-Consciousness, is our 'Temporarily' Material Data Storage Memory Bank: the Brain - while existing in the Human spices, and in it's Human processing cycle. And here too: what WE put into it. Which is converted into 'Fine-Matter Memory Data' energy and is destined to the appropriate Consciousness Blocks...etc.; which is than suited, when the time comes, when we pass away, to the/it's destined appropriate Storage Banks. Thus, the Material-Consciousness is a 'Temperary Catalyst', if you will; that processes our 'Fine-Matter Memory Data' energy from our Consciousness or/and CCB..etc..., and to process the conjured up actions/handlings/ transmissions/waves/impulses...etc... into practice/working...to it's destination; and thus, generates our (Bodily) 'Mobility'...and so forth. And as our material body dies and deteriorates, so does our 'Temperary' Material Consciousness/Brain, and our 'Memory Data' will automatically projects itself to the appropriate Collective/We-Form...Storage Banks, where they belong till further usage: for new incarnations, or other possibilities. Just as a PC: the 'Temperary' Hard Drives wears-out and dies out....and even eventually will lose all it's Memory Data, and DATA, in time, and just die off.. when in a natural environment, just as a Material Human Body. But a PC is just a machine. It's data has further no destination into the Spiritual Realms. It is just a 'Temperary' Coarse Material aspect: a Medium. Just as our Human Body. And Dyson: what you mentioned concerning Dr. Bearden sounds familiar. I may have seen this on one of the Science programs or on a Science epo, a while back, on the television. Edward. | ||
Lorndarken New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 |
i dont know what love is. nor do i know what hate is. i can laugh and i can cry, but i dont ever recalling of a feeling of love or hate ever in my life.. in most part i feel light headed but empty inside.. what dose this mean.. pls tell me. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi i would say that you simply are confused you have to "put order" in your life to clear your thoughts, get rid of the garbage and stay with what makes you feel peace and joy, be honest with yourself and accept that like any other being in the universe you just want to be happy this emptiness feeling can be caused by things like: -having a pessimist view of the world -ignoring what you want in life -lack of contact with other human beings -poor nutrition -lack of contact with nature -lack of selfknowledge -and also some kind of mental disorder i doubt very much that you really haven´t ever felt love or hate, maybe you just dont remember. . . even if you have had a very difficult life you can grow strong and high like an great tree, inside of you there exists a force, an intelligence and a wisdom that can never be beaten, it is a light, it is a fire that nothing can extinguish clear your mind and fight for what you want if no one gives you love, and there is none for who you feel something special, you should know you aren´t the only one, you should gather all of your strength and get out of that "swamp" start loving yourself, wish the best for yourself, look deep inside of you and find who you really are | ||
Lorndarken New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 |
thank you memo00, i care very deeply for my dog joey , but i find it very hard to care for someone i dont know. i geuss my dog is the only one that trully understands me , as for a pessimist view of the world. i believe everyone has the abillty to be good. but i find it hard that everybody dose not try. when i was a kid i use to want to be friends with everybody, but also wanted them to know me and for me to know them. but over time i grew to feel as tho people did not want this from me or for themselfs.. when i said that i dont know what love is, i ment that i just dont feel spiritual. i do have feeelings and feel empathy for suffering ,mostly the suffering i feel is of a sadness i feel for people who are in physical or mental pain.. i cant explain it... what makes me sad mostly is that i just wish we as people and life itself could all live happy without pain what so ever. i dont see the purpose of suffering or pain. it all makes me tired inside so much you cant breath.. i dream of a world that would be loving, this what makes me be able to sleep at nights. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hey Lorndarken pain and suffering are inherent, characteristic rules and manifestations that creation (or the universal consciousness) has decided to add to our lifes/existence. Pain and suffering are the reverse of joy pleasure and happyness.There can`t be one without the other because they are complementary.It is so... Pain and suffering are tools that remember human beings that they have to maintain their lives and have healthy habits, be physical or psychological. You have to accept the two sides of the coin, not just one.Creation (the universal consciousness) is perfect and balanced, so we cannot blame it. What is sad is that many people have been given the opportunity by creation to make use of pain and suffering, in a way that it is not creational.(Dictators, murderers, rapist,violent ones..).It is our duty to restrict the activity of such ones, limiting their freedom to harm others in a non-creational way. In nature you see pain and suffering when an animal kills another one in order to survive.But look; that means life is being passed from one animal to another.It is so.The hunter gets more life thanks to killing the prey.That`s the life cycle. And if you really KNOW that you don`t live once or twice, but thousands of times due to creations Reincarnation Cycle, then you get the bigger picture. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again its good to hear you love your dog, unfortunately he doesn´t understand you just like animals need to be with others of their kind we humans need other human beings according to Billy: "There is no mental communication possible between human beings and animals. Animals don’t have a conscious mental block, but only an instinct block. The only connection between a human being and an animal is by the personal “radiation” (Ausstrahlung). The animal can feel the attitude one has against it. Btw: Telepathy is also not possible between human beings and animals." ........... well my friend if you want to help others, you should help yourself first, ´cause you can´t give what you don´t have and like the saying says: "before starting the task of changing the world, walk three times around your own house" ......... much of the suffering of this world is caused by religions, politicians and their wars, etc but even without all of that a good amount of pain is unavoidable "Disease makes sweet the health, and so, hunger the satiety and fatigue the rest" if all was only light, then how would you be able to see? take care | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2006 |
thank you hector and memo00, these things i will do my best into taking in and understanding. i do wonder tho , with the way controll is established when it comes to people, why is it that balance is never the issue due to people that are allowed to have power in a unjust societiy, i did not vote for these monsters and yet they have every thing handed to them with such ease that not even nature or karma could stop the wrong doings.. i know we live in a very unbalenced world , but i wonder why it is that way. is there anything that could be done to kill the hunger for power that is inside everybody or is there nothing we can do ? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 350 Registered: 07-2005 |
This is to the sceptics and those that accuse Billy and the plejarens of lying, obfuscation, deceiving, misleading and making up the truth. Never in the history of our known past have there been an immense opportunity for people to transcend the boundaries of space and time to communicate instantly and access the storehouse of knowledge in all aspect of our material existence so far discovered, made available by the profound technological advancement. Yet the human irrationalities are fervently entrenched in our minds as to make it appear that we are still living in the stoneage, unable to grasp the profundity of the enormous implications garnered by this realisation and the individual powers that have been bestowed upon humanity. As the saying goes, you can lead a donkey to the water but you cannot make it drink, likewise this enormous tool that is the internet can be a vehicle for people to transcend their limits and free themselves from ignorance, if only they took some personal initiative. The rewards are truly staggering to say the least and is in direct proportion to the effort divested. There is nothing more powerful than personal initiative, it moves mountains and more, yet if people carried some impetus towards understanding a little of the mysteries of life that surround them everywhere they go unbeknownst to them, the whole world will open up for them. People, we have in front of our noses that very opportunity in the name of truth delivered by Billy. Yet it is the usual lazy habit of people to unthinkingly take a lazy glance approach at what is arguably the most important story of our era and then dismiss it as a hoax because it doesn't fit neatly into their criteria of what is acceptable is tragic. And for those that continue their vehement objections upon mere cursory glance are themselves a tragic case for they know not who they truly are. So it is with this tragic course of human shortcomings that the skeptics fail to truly understand the case of Billy Meier. They don't read, they don't ask why, they don't question with the right intent, they cannot see even though the facts are presented to them and they don't yield to the facts because their Egos are in the way. What we have been offered is nothing less than genuine life and survival and through the contact conversation delivered that we inevitably come the conclusion that Billy and the plejarens are so different in the most evolved of ways. They are so different as to make them appear supernatural and yet they are only human who make mistakes just like anybody else, this fact seem to leave many sceptics dumbfounded and more suspcious. The plejarens and Billy's view of life, existence and reality are also contrastingly different than the average person. Their whole psychology is geared in the knowledge of Creation and their actions stem from their adherence to the Creational natural laws and commandments. No wonder the skeptics fail miserably to understand them, the basis of their actions, their words spoken and the decisions that have made because they haven't any clue as to what CREATION and THE NATURAL LAWS are. If the skeptics continue to look through their own looking glass to come to some sort of understanding, all they'll see is the reflection of their own mirror image and nothing more. No possibility of an adequate answers will be forthcoming, especially regarding what on the surface appears to be lies told by Billy and the plejarens. people must understand that the whole universe is a unity yet this unity is made up of polarity or two opposing forces inherent in the unity. So when the plejarens for example talk in contradictory terms like 'cigarettes are bad for you' and then say 'cigarettes can be beneficial' then they are just expressing the two opposing qualities of it's natural makeup. As with everything in existence then, applying the spiritual understanding to task in comprehending the essence of a given material or some aspect of a given quality will yield nothing less than a bipolar structure or nature of any given form in existence, including the human being and his mind. Not to sell short our current degenerate human nature in putting barriers on Billy and the Plejarens for them to express their thoughts, Our nature does seem to impose a greater restriction in what they can and can't say. This means we are the ones who cannot yet deal with the enormity of the truth expressed and yet to be expressed which causes much confusion in our ability to understand them adequately. It is also we who won't allow the truth to flourish because our minds are infertile for any added seeds to be planted for a good harvest, the soil is essentially void of any nutrition. So in closing, the problem is Us terrestrials and in order to truly understand Billy and the plejarens, it'll take nothing less than a major effort of studying, digesting, assimilating, thinking, contemplating the core materials thus far delivered. Anything less than this, don't even bother. To the moderators and other forum members, I stand to be corrected with any mistakes that is not apparent to me in the course of this writing, please contribute your opinions freely without restrictions, I would love to hear your advice. Thanks you cheers Matt | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2006 |
Dear Mr. Matt, You asked for it, so here is my advice. Your writing sounds like the immature blathering of a pompous donkey. Dear Klausmaus, Since you are incapable of refraining from your obnoxious behavior and commentary, I will help you out by banning you from the English FIGU Forum for at least 30 days. Scott FIGU Forum Moderator | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Members, I read the posts here and I long for a similar discussion as to what it was years ago (please refer to older postings in the archives). I have read and printed older posts particularly from the Spiritual lessons and I wonder WHY have people swayed so far from the real reason we are here in the first place. I ask myself WHY am I here? Surely there is a reason for each and everyone of us Newinitiation, I like reading your 'take' on the issues maybe because I feel similarly to your way of thinking, not to disrecard Dyson's & Edward's and others too of course. Also I hunger for the true wisdom and the exchange of life experiences amongst us without all the nonsense posted by some people here. P.S. Newinitiation, where is your "Tree of knowledge" that you like to meditate under? care to share the secret of your blissful serenity? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 352 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Melli Melli, although I would dearly love to share with you the location and the whereabouts of the tree of peace so to speak, I gather that it won't help you or I, we are afterall treading a very fine line just being on this forum. Sorry for being cryptic but I am appealing to your wisdom which I believe you have abundance of. As with all good things in life, this particular tree represents a very meaningful aspect tied in with of course whatever I have thus far learnt from FIGU and from many enlightened people here and elsewhere. This particular tree was just a sprout when I first encountered it and if it could read my mind (although it can't) it has been there through various trials and tribulations in my life and if it could talk, it would have imparted great wisdom and understanding for me in times of need. What I wrote above would definitiely sound like a madman blabbering gibberish to someone on the streets but I am confident that you'll partly understand In the end it's what you make of it, it only has meaning if you make it so and so my advice is find a young tree near your place where you'll cultivate a kind of spiritual relationship with it by recognising how wonderful and precious the life of this tree is, seek the best intentions for it, feel unified with it through meshing of your existence with it as it lives and breaths, love it, touch it now and then, and hold this tree in your mind when you are meditating as the neutral aspect of this tree imparts to your psyche this serene sense that unlike the evils of mankind, it doesn't perpetuate in kind as it always stays neutral. The area around where you live also has many beautiful trees melli. Cheers Matt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 706 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli.. Concerning your: Sway away and, I ask myself WHY am I here? I am not sure if you mean Why You Are Here, at this FIGU board, or mean, WHY you as Human Being are here: in existence? Well, the below is for the last mentioned. Well, as you may have read and studied...from here, on this board, and other of Billy's materials: We are a 'Spark' of Creation, and we, just as Creation, must Evolve into a much more Higher form of Intelligence, if you will: To PERFECTION. The more intelligence...the more One is Knowledgeable, thus: KNOWING. So, as you can notice: there is not really that much difference between... Creation's Evolution and Learning Process...and ours. Creation starts it's liveliness with Coarse Matter framework, just as we: our human Material Body. As we are the Same, but only we have the FREEDOM to process...as Individuals. Each, with our own experiences, and in time will accumulate...to a Collective/WE-Form(at). Where Creation as well as WE benefit, here from. Thus, you are here as a living entity, to serve Creation....as well as YOURSELF! Not just only Creation, having benefit...to what is being processed within Creation, the Absolute Absolutum, etc. So, you are generated/born from a Natural Cause and which you are it's Natural Effect. Just like a new born baby: is a Natural Effect from a Natural Cause. And so, the life process that the baby will be involved in...is similar...as that of Creation's processing...when generating it's (Sparks) offspring: we as individual Spirit-Forms. So, One should take it as a very Positive privilege to be a part of a Creation(al) Process where you as individual, can progress to Perfection, and at your own pace. And your evolution process...all depends on how YOU...utilize this process(ing). One can either 'Stagnate'(temporarily - Sway Away: Consciously or Unconsciously)...by being selfish or other reasons, or just evolve 'Orderly' with true - Common-Sense, Logic and Reason -: Heed and Respecting - Creational Laws -, and so forth. Creational FREEDOM, grants One the above mentioned. So, you 'Determine' YOUR OWN...Destiny, even though there may be many Hurdles upon One's path. The Hurdles...are there to be over-won. No evolution process is a soft path...as long as One is, in the Material Plain. Edward. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 06-2005 |
Edward thank you. I was making a rhetoric question because sometimes the posts I read 'get under my nose'. I do know why I am here in this world and I also feel priviliged and sincerely grateful to have found Billy's teachings its just that I am having great difficulties accepting the malice that is delibrately created in the world around us as I see and experience how people can be very ego centric, offensive and beastly etc., It gets me down and I would love to find and hug the biggest tree that my arms could embrace if that what it takes to better our humanity. I read just recently that after Billy has had a contact, he didn't look forward to returning to earth because of the bad vibrations and negativity he felt and that's how I feel too. I can only throw the pebble into the pond and watch it create ripples, but I also must learn to be patient and that's the hardest for me. End of another year and my Aquarian birthday is fast approaching. I have 'probably' aged but who is counting? Cheers everyone, a glass of Biodynamic red wine is being served !!! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Melli Let's be the regular earth humans we are trying not to be, for a second---and--- HAPPY BIRTHDAY MELLI and all the best in the coming new years as well as for all other forum members here. Thanks for being here everybody:-) cheers Matt | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 12-2004 |
hello Memmo, Edward, Is the consumption of hallucinogenic mushrooms discouraged even if used in a mature and educational manner? I watched a movie on mushrooms and events in my life have opened this opportunity (which I have not taken) I just wanted to know your thoughts on this specific issue. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154 Have you tried mushrooms? I have several friends who reccomend it. My natural response is to "stay sane and sober" which I am very proud of. On the other hand it could open new opportunities to see life in a deeper and more complete manner. From what I know the taking of "drugs" are not recommended by FIGU bylaws not only because of legal repricussion but spiritual stagnation (perhaps). My main question is, is this something that can be used to progress spiritual growth? I think I know the answer. Thank You and Salome Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 710 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tim.... Well, ANY sort of Hallucinogenic drug(s) may be hazardous to One's mind, and so forth, and can cause a considerable amount of damage! But to make a long story short: As we go back in time, man here on Earth did indeed utilize Any/All sorts of Mind Bending Hallucinogenic drugs....to expand his ways of thinking, thus: his (material) Consciousness...; as was his point of view, to the related. Drug usage is indeed a common ritual in many still...practicing Religions. And thus, in these cases: the drug usage becomes one of their 'utilities' to Seek Spiritual Growth and Knowledge, if you will. In primitive times, these practices were an everyday processing. And we must keep in mind, that the practicing of Religion with the utilization of any sort of - Spiritual Expanding Drug -, as some may call it: should NOT be a necessity! In times of cultures being primitive (young Spirit-Forms) this would only...be a segment of their evolution processing, which is to be understood: because, They Known NOT Better! And no more. But, even though, it may still be practiced today: One that is quite Advanced Evolved: Should KNOW Better. We are living in a time and age, that there is a Abundance of information to One's disposal: One has more than enough 'Food For Thought/Mind(and Spirit)' ...than in primitive times. So, One does NOT really need any type of - Spiritual Expanding Drug -, or what ever! So, I think you are far Advanced Evolved enough to comprehend this, not? YOU, as a, quite well Evolved human being Should Know Better than to stick to the Correct/Orderly Evolution processing - WITHOUT ANY SORT OF DRUGS -! You are not living in primitive times(compared to the past), and thus: Utilize your Common-Sense, Logic and Reason...To SEEK TRUE Creational Spiritual Growth And Knowledge. The decision is all up to YOU! WE are all...responsible for all our own actions. I would fully agree with FIGU's recommendation: NOT TO utilize any drugs to Expand One's Spiritual Growth. Today, there is more than enough, of Billy's Spiritual Materials to One's disposal, to Expand One's Spiritual Growth and Knowledge, and Beyond! Thus, Hallucinogenic drugs...is truly an Obsolete step! "BE WISE...And You Will Comprehend True Creational Values!" Edward. | ||
James Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2005 |
TJ the downside to drugs is that taking them will start forcing your brain to rewire itself permanently causing you brain damage. You may also have a bad reaction and die after one dose. If I was going to take the mushrooms I would go about it scientifically - aims, methods, conclusions and all that stuff to be prepared in a report. I'd also be monitored by another person. My advice is to leave this to the scientists. They are working at this with dependent drug using subjects. Also try getting your friends to quit hurting themselves. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Tim sometime ago there was a discussion about drugs, if you want you can check it, i think it was in November in the General Area/Non FIGU related/Miscellaneous section i haven´t tried mushrooms, but i´m sure some people here did (at least a pair of forum members i know did), maybe they can share their experience if they read this i don´t think this kind of drugs would cause "spiritual" stagnation but some are dangerous, one should have special care with mushrooms ´cause there are many that are poisonous and that can be confused i´m not an expert but from all that i have investigated i would say that some hallucinogen drugs can be useful for different things, it all depends on the person, you can "return" and see things more clearly or you can "lose" yourself and begin to think that all your "visions" are the reality apart from investigating before taking anything i recommend that you evaluate you mental state ´cause it can be a traumatic experience for many i think that like with herbs and many natural remedies, these can be "good", but people tend to exaggerate because of their ignorance, so judge wisely take care | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thank You all for your wonderful deliberations, I simply saw an interesting movie that explained mushrooms from another historical perspective. I have not taken any nor do I plan to, I was just curious with new possibilities. I have been telling my friends often that shrooms are probably impeding many forms of personal growth, but then again so do cigarettes and overusage of TV (both of which I stay away from). My friends that do it are highly intelligent and skilled people, however I have noticed they lack in the motivation department. I am highly motivated and consider myself fully competent and intelligent. I see no reason to take a serious risk at deminishing skills I already posess. I remain curious about the possibilities that the DMT in "shrooms" provide. Many floral species and other creations on earth and elsewhere offer wonderful healing capabilities (as well as risks) which should be investigated thoroughly and scientifically with public results followed by updated educational material to be taught in schools before someone puts one of these on their pizza's "for fun". I will not take any drugs becuase it is illegal for a good reason, but I have not closed the door on this issue until I see scientific research that directly proves its full qualities. I have seen this though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine I, however give FIGU's bylaws more creedance due the fact that I've seen the knowledge unfold before my eyes and applied much of the wisdom presented by Billy's writings. I am sure there are solid sure fire reasons not to take "peyote" or "shrooms" but the main reason I don't is because one needs to be completely clear in conciousness if they want to participate in the peace meditation. This is enough reason for me. I love the PM. Thanks again for all of your deliberations. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi memo, edward and tim, have any of you heard about the (clinical proven) impressive pyscholigical healing affects of a alkaloid/psychoactive plant called Ibogaine? There have been many scientific clinical trials and studies done on this plant in the past which concluded that it not only really helps drug addicts kick their addiction to drugs, but also helps (normal) people with matters relating to pyschological/spiritual personal development too. There is a lot of info on the net about the remarkable pyschological healing/beneficial properties of this plant as well as also many clinical research and study results too. Here is a brief summary on Ibogaine from the Ibogaine.co.uk website. Introduction Ibogaine is a psychoactive indole alkaloid derived from the rootbark of an African plant - Tabernanthe iboga. In recent years it has been increasingly noted for its ability to treat both drug and alcohol addiction. Both scientific studies and widespread anecdotal reports appear to suggest that a single administration of ibogaine has the ability to both remove the symptoms of drug withdrawal and reduce drug-craving for a period of time after administration. In addition, the drug's psychoactive properties (in large doses it can induce a dreamlike state for a period of hours) have been widely credited with helping users understand and reverse their drug-using behaviour. Ibogaine can be easily administered, in capsule form, and has no addictive effects itself. It is essentially a "one-shot" medication and, used in a clinical setting with proper client screening procedures, the drug thus far appears to be safe to use. Although approved for clinical trials (trials on humans) for the treatment of addiction in the US in the early 1990s, problems with financial backing have so hindered the development of ibogaine that, as of mid 2001, it remains undeveloped and thus unavailable to the majority of addicts worldwide. Ibogaine for Self-development The use of ibogaine is not restricted to those seeking to beat drug or alcohol dependence. Individuals seeking personal development, access to more "spiritual" sides of their nature, or a breakthrough in overcoming a psychological block may also find the drug useful. What is especially interesting about ibogaine is that it allows the user access to the unconscious with the ego perspective relatively intact, that's to say, in relatively normal consciousness. In addition, the intensity of the experience can usually be regulated to some degree, the dreamlike visions normally ceasing once the eyes are opened. Another interesting aspect is that, despite its origins, the visions that occur with ibogaine do not appear to feature the "plant teacher" figures common to the visionary experiences associated with entheogens like ayahuasca or peyote, but rather appear to consist of a more direct encounter with one's self. These benefits have resulted in ibogaine being used as an adjunct to therapy by a handful of psychotherapists over the years, most notably Chilean psychiatrist Claudio Naranjo, who details some sessions in his book, The Healing Journey. The objective of an ibogaine session is invariably to allow the individual to become aware of unconscious processes that may be blocking their personal development. Ibogaine appears particularly suitable for this task with users frequently reporting that the drug gave them a "hotline to their own personal guru." The Bwiti The Bwiti are a Central African religious group whose usage of Tabernanthe iboga, the plant source of ibogaine, forms an integral part of their culture. The rootbark of the plant is known colloquially as "iboga" or "eboka." It contains approximately 12 different alkaloids, of which ibogaine is merely one. Others, such as tabernanthine or ibogamine, are also likely psychoactive. The word "Bwiti" refers both to the religion - the Bwiti religion, and the group that practice it - The Bwiti. There are estimated to be approximately 2-3 million Bwiti members scattered in groups throughout the countries of Gabon, Zaire, and the Cameroun. Iboga is used for an assortment of purposes within the group, notably as an aid to concentration and to stimulate recovery from illness. Its principal sacramental use is as the central component in the so-called "Bwiti initiation ritual" - an intricate 3-day "rebirth" ceremony, the completion of which is a necessity if one is to become a member of the group. Both sexes are initiated, typically between the eighth and thirteenth birthday, and the ceremony usually begins on the Thursday, ending Sunday morning. During the ritual itself, iboga is eaten on the first night and may be further consumed on subsequent nights should it be deemed necessary. The initiate's consumption of iboga is supervised by the "nganga," a priest of the Bwiti religion who, being knowledgeable of the effects of iboga, can tell when the initiate has had sufficient. The overall aim of the ritual is to cause the initiate to be both emotionally and spiritually "reborn," such that they may take their place within the group as a true adult. The consumption of a high dose of iboga is intended to help achieve this by bringing about a deep, dreamlike descent into the world of the unconscious with the effect of both bringing into awareness repressed material and causing a reconnection to the world of the ancestors. If the initiation proceeds well, it is believed that the initiate will actually "meet the Bwiti," envisioned as the primordial male and female originators of the religion, residing in the depths of the unconscious. http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ibogaine6.htm#ten | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys, re: drugs This is instructive: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6738.html#POST23748 Cheers! Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Guys, Just thought to share one of my experiences, I had the experience of trying Magic Mushrooms, it was about 2002 just about the time when I first heard about Billy, I wouldn’t recommend it because there are a lot variables that needs ot be considered before taking it. It was also in a time when I was in University in England and was legalised at that time too, so my friend, brother and me went to a shop and bought some. Any ways skipping through, I will tell you about my experience. All in all it was a different experience then what happens to the mind naturally; we took it in the night sometime and lasted throughout the night till I went to sleep. The first thing that one or at least we experienced is that every thing looks as if it’s the first time we see it, as simple as a lighter when we saw it, it looked amazing… as if it was the first time we seen one, and music was much more interesting and colours too. So after that feeling faded thoughts were started to change in a way let me see how to explain it. Its like you think about one thing but you can't stay too long thinking about something specific till your thoughts move to something related, so for example if you think of a lighter, then you will think of its colour lets say blue, then you suddenly think of something blue like sky then the next thought would a plane or flying, I guess you get what I mean its just one thing leads to another, and lasts for as long as the trip lasted, we didn’t take a high dosage so none of us hallucinated pink elephants , but I did imagine a few times the others were talking to me when i look at them their mouths were not moving. For me the start was alright but then suddenly a friend of my brother showed up for a visit and came from another city, he knew and had experience too with Magic Mushrooms, but because I was not expecting him I think the trip got a bit annoying I was not feeling well as one of us was not on the trip, well any ways thoughts were not that pleasant but bearable, but then eventually got tired but even if I close my eyes its as if I had them open its hard to explain but things still seem to be moving and there was no darkness when I closed my eyes, eventually I went to my room it might have taken a few hours till I actually fell a sleep. The next morning I was fine without any problems. Any ways as a conclusion I enjoyed it, but I don’t think I need to take it again. It was an experience that I don’t think will teach me that much it was just the experience of the disturbance in the thought pattern, it might have if I had better prepared my self but since it was the first time I wasn’t totally sure of what to expect, other then what I read before taking it. It also helped me imagine what Psychological/Mentally disturbed people go through. I could imagine if one takes it for longer periods might cause some psychological side effects. Like Edward said on his above post we are in a stage to be able to ignore it since our minds is more evolved then the past. But James I guess it depends what drug you mean when you talk about dying after one dose, but Magic Mushrooms doesn’t kill it might be if the person on a really bad trip and thinks the only way out is by killing himself, which speaks for itself that he shouldn’t have taken it in the first place. But I agree with you James that it should be left alone and researched scientifically one never knows what one can get out of it, if properly dealt with. But if someone does take it as memo says one has to investigate/research the drug and evaluate the mental state at the time. Salome, Badr | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 712 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tim.... When I mean - Stagnation - I am referring it to: when One reincarnates time after time back, within his/her same vicious circle of Selfish Ignorance... without generating: True CREATIONAL Progression. Without, projecting One's self...outside that circle; which prevents such individual(s) to absorb and obtain (new) Knowledge, Wisdoms and so forth: CREATIONAL Truths....etc. (CREATIONAL) - Progression - can only be obtained when One can project him/her self Outside the above, mentioned (inside that vicious circle of Selfish Ignorance...One only 'Limits' him/her self). Than One is truly SEEKING New Knowledge, Wisdoms... and so forth. And Feeds One's Spiritual Consciousness (CCB...etc) with New Information, and thus: becomes much more KNOWING; which than takes him/her to the next Level of Conscious Knowledge...and so forth. Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Milli, As to being patient, Billy would be an excellent example, as Nokodamion, one of the oldest to still inhabit a body, if not THE oldest... He came back from the Arahat Athersata (AA), back to "GodFather Death" and reincarnation to make sure we will not be "galactic monsters" and help us to evolve as we should. Observe the prospect of 60,000,000,000... sixty billion years to reach the high council and then several billion after that to reach AA. We are talking billions of years here... being responsible for us... he came back to guide us... THAT is patience. It is understandable that he is impatient with our evolution... yet, being the considerate, wise guide that he is... it would be most appreciated that we are patient as he in respect to this growth experience, after all it is not F O R E V E R... just a few billion years. Not infinite... As to growing older... we are infinitely young inside... We age as our evolution dictates. Like Gilgemesh who has the capability to live a lifespan of 300,000 years, what wisdom he must hold, what must he have seen in this life... Much love to you on your birthday... Aquarius... no wonder I like you... Libras like me are compatible... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1020 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I think it would be better if people don't discuss their personnel experiences, this forum is observed by many. Lets get back to the spiritual teachings. Scott-Moderator | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 12-2004 |
Truly, thank you friends, Dyson, were these some of the translations you meant to direct me to? 176. Wohl haben Menschen böse Mittel erfunden, um den Sinn der schöpferischen Gerechtigkeit, das Gewissen, zum Erliegen zu bringen, doch zeitigen diese Mittel nur eine sehr kurze und beschränkte Dauer. 176. (DD) Humans have indeed invented evil means to bring the sense of creational justice, being the conscience, to a standstill, yet these means only have a short and very limited duration. 176 (AW) Humans have invented drugs to make the mind of creative Justice, our consciousness, come to a standstill, but these drugs are powerful only for a short time. (Since they aren't made by man unless brought and genetically produced by earlier space faring races, are natural mind-altering mushrooms which very well could be poisonious considered in this category?) 178. Die Kraft des Bewusstseins und des Gewissens aber können durch diese Gifte nicht vernichtet, sondern nur zeitweilig lahmgelegt werden, um dann nach einer Ernüchterung um so stärker wieder in Funktion zu treten. 178. (DD) But the power of consciousness and the conscience cannot be destroyed by these poisons, rather will only be temporarily paralyzed, then, after a sobering up, will return to function that much stronger. Line (178.) appears to reinforce the concept that by taking some "poisons", "after a sobering up" one becomes a stronger person. This, is a concept that slightly brushes in Alans link which I excerpted from here: http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ibogaine6.htm#ten "One example of this is that of the opiate user who experienced being shown that mankind was an evolutionary mistake that was now destroying the world - the revealing of deep-rooted feelings of lack of self-worth. Another example is the individual, whose father had exerted a excessively controlling influence over his childhood, who experienced being shown that the world was under the control of elite banking groups. Whilst the scenario experienced may appear valid to the individual, and may indeed even be valid, it should be remembered that there will invariably be much personal significance." Alan the points brought up in the link you gave me surround some of the base reasons why I am fascinated by psychedelics, that they might help one see issues differently in turn helping one learn more this life advancing the evolution of that spirit form. However, based on the quotes Dyson and Edward provided A. the advancement of taking such hallucinagens only comes after one sobers up and begins to think in a new way. If one simply by-passes the step of hallucination and strives to expand their thinking patterns and alter their thought patterns through incorporation of knowledge through their own efforts then one is truly evolving. Edward, I appreciate your comments as I carefully analysed them. I understand your points well. And just like you stated: "YOU, as a, quite well Evolved human being Should Know Better than to stick to the Correct/Orderly Evolution processing - WITHOUT ANY SORT OF DRUGS" I should know better and I have even had earlier examples by muslims why not to use hallucinogens, but I really like to understand WHY if I choose not to do something that I can really grapple with the points and understand with satisfactory succes the reasons I do or do not do something. It would also be nice to educate others when prudent. The Muslim story involved a fellow who used psychaldelics in meditation. He noticed he could only go so far in and realized that he could expand his awareness much further and more successfully when he chose to do it with a clear conscious, natrually. This involved the Sufi sect of Islam. Junior, I thank you for your example it is nice of you to share that story with us all, I respect your conclusion and I find it logical, even if it is deemed not appropriate by the moderator to discuss. I choose to post this in the spiritual section because this is the entire reason I was interested in creations ability to produce plants that can up anothers species evolution, however it apears this drug has already fulfilled its purpose (for higher evolved humans excluding tribal communites and other species still living with the earth). It is so great to be connected with such an advanced network of brilliant and evolved human beings such as this one here on this forum. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
James Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Rarena, "Observe the prospect of 60,000,000,000... sixty billion years to reach the high council and then several billion after that to reach AA." Billy's spirit form has already accomplished the level of AA. I doubt he evolves much more in the material plane as his mission is now only to guide those who need his AA wisdom. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 07-2004 |
I also have experienced MM(magic mushrooms) and have had several different types of experiences. All could be said to be mind changing. There are variations in the quality and effects and unless you have knowledge in these areas your results could vary enormously. Some of the people who joined us in our journey's were not able to contain the intensity of the frequency that each person begins generating. One must be in a stable, unemotional(no distress), uninterrupted, safe state for the best personal gains to be realized. The less your conscious is lugging around the more your effected by completely new types/areas of thinking. When in the MM state, the effect of 'knowing how all things work' will reach most people. Unfortunately the next day much is lost in the realm of 'knowing all'. For myself after I tried MM, I began to research spirituality, which before was always attached to uncomfortable religion related ideas. Believe it or not, my political leaning was towards the Republican platform, and after my first few experiences (25yrs ago), I really began questioning the actions of the party( not necessarily the values ) and now I actually only vote by researching the election candidates. In other words MM can help, or they can sink you deeper into any thoughts you may harbor that may become harmful if you allow those thoughts to follow you to the real world. MM should only be done with experienced people who truly have your best interests at heart and have an advanced understanding of the physical and mental needs of a person under the influence of the MM. I stress that it is not for everyone as you can have a "bad trip" and scar yourself mentally. I equally stress that you can really begin to understand logical thinking on a fast track that is not normally an average person's strongest mental muscle. MM exercises the various mental areas, and if done correctly, gains are a strong possibility, but not guaranteed. If you recall, Billy was told how a lesser spiritually evolved human could be brought up to the level of a higher developed human with applications of an acid based element. I understand this as a similar result a proper undertaking into the MM experience can realize, just on a different scale. By no means is this the only or better way to a higher spiritual truth, it is only a different way. Boiled down, taking MM will introduce you to different ways of thinking and after the effects wear off your left with the ability to recognize these new thought vibrations when you come across them again later in your daily life. A referencing becomes created. There are other aspects but these are better spoken of in a different thread. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello James... According to Ptaah, Billy will have to endure that time period again! Of course as different reincarnated personalities, but essentially the same spiritform. Being responsible to us... coming back... he has to re-evolve through time to again reach AA. There are no words sincere enough to appreciate this monumental sacrifice in the name of love... the spirtform that enlivens Billy Meier has made, for his created people. Your doubt may be dispelled upon reading the interaction between Ptaah and Billy concerning Nokodamion: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 Line 702 is one area this may be found. Randy Arena ô¿ô | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2005 |
On line 56 of http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm is where The spiritform that enlivens Billy Meier was Nokodamion and Henok. Randy ô¿ô | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2006 |
If you recall, Billy was told how a lesser spiritually evolved human could be brought up to the level of a higher developed human with applications of an acid based element. Hi Shawn, I think it was with the injection/infusion of brain acids (fluids) from the higher to the lower developed being. But it couldn’t change a person’s spiritual evolution, only their physical/consciousness related development (intelligence). Best regards. | ||
James Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah he's gonna stick for around fifty billion years longer, but theres no need for him to evolve in the material plane, only to function as a prophet where he is needed. When his job is done he'll just go back to AA which is his real home. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 07-2004 |
My meaning in that context Jakes was that change of either, a spiritual or an evolutionary type, could be realized through other means than just a normal daily event in life. I see now I wasn't completely clear on that distinction...thanks for help in clarifying that! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Through the course of studying the FIGU material, one realisation that crept up on me all of a sudden was:- from when, in our earth chronology did the benevolent plejarens from Erra intervene? If we go by the contact 70, Jehav killed his father and ruled until 3,320 years ago, who then sired 3 sons named Arussem, Ptaah and Salam. Jehav was then mudered by his first born, Arussem who got booted off the earth with his 72,000 followers by his two well meaning younger brothers. They later became the gizeh intelligences (bafath). Arussem's brother Ptaah died 93 years into his rule and Salam ruled in his place who then handed over command to his son Plejos 2,040 years ago. Plejos had already taken up connection with his Plejaren home world centuries before and 1,999 years ago positioned himself under the guidance of the high council and in 1,994 years ago, gave orders to Gabriel to begat Immanuel. So if we take the above information into consideration and compare it with contact 228th, then the official Erra Plejaren intervention had to have started from Sfaths grandfather who belongs to a lineage of Nokodemion and Henok's sons and daughters who are chosen as the bearers of the spiritual teachings, who were obliged in the mission. This then alludes to Quetzacoatl from the Maya legend as being either Quetzal's relative or his paternal/maternal grandfather, they both share the same spirit form and bloodline. But then the question arises as to why the Plejarens from Erra who achieved peace 50,000 years ago did not intervene earlier? I am sure there were many many factors to which we don't know as of yet to satisfy this question adequately but nonetheless, it's still a mystery But for all we know, the Plejarens didn't allude to the gizeh intelligences as having absolute control over earth since Arus the 1st, meaning that although they destroyed the city of Atlantis and Mu, little is known about whether Atlant, Karyatide and Muras survived the war and fled to their Plejaren homeworld or whether they settled elsewhere on earth and joined with another jschwisch Armus and his people. All this extraterrestrial activity points to a very paradoxical situation in which we find ourselves in our history. On the one hand, those that subjugated humanity are really our ancestors intermingled through time, from one bloodline to another and then some more and then we find ourselves having been saved by the same bloodline of people who were killing us. And then to top it off, more of our ancestors from elsewhere comes to earth to balance out the negative effect of another same relatives up until 1978. This is one big FAMILY FEUD. So essentially we are all embroiled in one big family feud after another to this very 2006 day. It's mad, totally mad, bad and ugly Cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2005 |
James, Billy will only be a prophet in this present incarnation, normal incarnations will ensue from this life on. It is my understanding he will continue to evolve as we do, as is the natural process, along with us. When his job is done as a prophet... after this lifetime... he will continue to incarnate for several billion years. Where did you read Billy does not have to evolve on the material plane? Do not recall that statement. He is highly evolved spiritually... with the help of Sfath and his advanced teachings... is that what you mean? These matters are very complex and it may be above and beyond our ability to understand which is our natural behavior to ask the question too complex. Also, in regards to my previous question regarding telepathy... the less evolved form reaches three light-seconds... a little more than half a million miles (.62Mmi)... the more evolved telepathy bridges the endless distances of the Universe without time loss. Much love to you... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 10-2005 |
And that's probably why we're here. It goes back even further with Nokodamion... it just depends on which star/planetary system's history you wish to follow. Jmmanual was the seventh prophet, so the other six were likely representative of Plejaren guidance. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1074 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, Thats why I feel not enough has been done to help us out. They let this secret earth scum run earth while the masses have no clue whats going on. And they are not going to stop unless they know there could be ET intervention. Just think how fast things would change if they saw a giant ship heading slowly toward earth. My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 412 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Randy ; Jmmanuel was the 5th prophet . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
James Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2005 |
Randy there's a paragraph in the 1988 interview on figu.org indicating his task around the universe is to function as a prophet, teacher and herald: This is the reason why the Pleiadians began to contact me in my early childhood to lay the groundwork for my forthcoming contacts with them. My spirit form had already been active for millions of years in the Lyra-Vega systems, and had come to Earth, voluntarily, in human bodies as teacher, herald, and prophet. It had also returned into the material sphere from a highly spiritual level (Arahat Athersata level), and had already performed prophetic functions since UR-times on LASAN and other planets of the Lyra and Vega systems. In addition, my spirit form, under the earlier name of NOKODEMJON, assumed the responsibility of fulfilling a required prophetic mission and function. This duty involved, as its mission goal, the teaching, the offering of the truth of the Creative information, the Creative laws, commandments, and spiritual teachings, etc., to human life forms. At first, all this information was brought exclusively to the humans of the Lyra and Vega systems, and only later to the humans on the planet Earth, and to all the other existing spirit forms. These other spiritual forms included the many millions of extraterrestrial spirit forms who moved to Earth, voluntarily or involuntarily, from the Lyra and Vega systems, and the destroyed planet Malona in the SOL system. Don't the Plejaren only assist Billy to tap into the wisdom his spirit already possesses? Billy can contact AA but the Plejaren cannot because he is much more spiritual advanced than them and allowed to access that level of knowledge. I don't have the 238th contact report so I can't confirm if it mentions billy must evolve in the material any longer. I guess I've just always assumed there would be no point in him evolving like an ordinary person up to a finer level as like the High Council where he would be unable to exist among lower evolved humans and be capable of assisting them. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Randy From my reading, I get the impression, differently to you, that Billy, having already evolved to the level of Arahat Athersata, has willingly come back to physical incarnations to play the role as prophet or 'Künder'. I cannot imagine that he would need to incarnate, to evolve, at this physical level we are presently in, as he has already done this. As Billy is the 7th Prophet in the Nokodemjon line, and the last was Immanuel 2000 yrs ago, it would seem that there may be a long break in our time ie., before he incarnates again, if he ever will. I suppose somewhere in all this info it may be mentioned, but I seem to recall that the figure of 800 yrs from now rings some bell --- which also is the time mentioned in the predictions of Jeremia, that 800 yrs after the death of the New Age prophet (Billy) the people will begin to see and hear with open eyes and ears --- and will have worked out by then how to travel into space to leave this solar system. It also mentions in this document, that the teachings of this New Age Prophet will reach from the 2nd Millenium far into the 3rd --- another indication that the 800yrs or so will be a span of time to note. Dyson mentioned he and Vivienne were translating this document, so it will be there for all to read soon. I am grateful that have already translated it and read it, even though it bears some information that is not to be looked forward to...... So, maybe Billy's spirit will not incarnate as ours do. Then, I stand to be corrected as always :-) Robjn (Message edited by indi on July 13, 2011) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 04-2006 |
The Bafath are partly responsible to a great extent of leading this earth humanity into confusion, slavery, repression and domination, via religion. But the positive thing is, according to Nietsche, "what does not kill you, makes you stronger". If this earth humanity is capable of escaping the influence of religion, unjustly brought to us by the Bafath, we will progress exponentially.In just 2000-3000 years this earth peoples will be able to travel to the limits of this universe. We will know first-hand the concepts of repression, domination, sectarianism, wars, consciousness enslavement due to those evil minded Bafath, but won't follow their example. I think the plejaren only intervened deporting the Bafath when they realized they could kill the 7th and most important prophet of all times on Earth before his message could reach the people.Such risk was not acceptable.The messenger is not important, only the message, but without messenger there is no message....The message will spread slowly but relentless, and i think very powerful personalities/prophets will help in the meantime.The spirit form who was John the Baptist, for example.The Baptist coincided in time with Immanuel as Elja coincided in time with Elisha.(Elisha was prophet Elja disciple).I think that anyone who has had access to the spirit teachings in the past or in the present is a good candidate to help Billy in the future, and a candidate to be a truthbringer, like John the Baptist was.Law of cause and effect. And from now on, no Bafath can interfere/terrorise/torture/manipulate any truthbringer...that's nice. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 364 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Norm This is not meant to be an offense to the US Americans Norm but why do they have to be the nation that should determine for the rest of us humanity whether ETs decide to contact us terrestrials or not. Sure Ptaah did mention that US Americans are a nation of people who are most likely to be able to tolerate such a reality than the rest of humanity and also he did mention that contact with a small group of people was feasible despite such atrocious state of affair with USA interventionistic war mongering all over the place but then the $64,000 contradiction is that he said Plejarens won't have anything to do with the USA and will unequivocally distance itself from them. This means the 5 other newly joined Ets that visited earth will follow suit since likeminds will move in unisons. This also means the ET race who have decided to make contact with us terrestrials as it was prophecised are in fact one of the 5 ET race who have since joined the federation since the Plejarens had to have made direct contact with them to dissuade them from carrying out such contact with us terrestrials because of our war mongering and so forth. If we take the above into consideration, then obviously a contact which won't happen for a very long time according to their information will in fact happen with an ET race the Plejarens won't have any contact with thus this is probably why they said if this contact with these unknown ET races happen, the Plejarens will have nothing to do with earth any more because they must guard the secret of their culture and the reality of their existence from these lowly developed Et races who will eventually contact humanity. But then getting back to the crux of the issue, it's not the Plejarens who will decide when the contact with ET race and terrestrials will happen because they are saying, from their vantage point they won't offer contact for 700 years, give or take a few years. This then suggests that a contact may have already happened and is ongoing, So who better to have contact with than Dr Greer's team because they have the goods beyond what us FIGU forum members or other ET contact initiative organization could do with the contact if going by the logically determined earthly standards. There are no other Et contact initiative that comes to mind which is more suitable than Dr Greers disclosure initiative and since they aren't exactly a big group by any standard of the imagination, Dr Greer must in some sense be telling the truth when he stated that they've made contact. A lot may have happened since the contact article 'The Newest In Regard To Matters Of Extraterrestrials, UFOs, Pleiadiens/Plejarens, Contacts, Abductions, Examination Contacts and Implants 424th Contact, Saturday, June 17th 2006, 5:03 pm came out. I share your frustration in some sense Norm because if the Erra Plejarens were able to intervene and boot the gizeh/bafath off this planet because they weren't breaking no Creational rules since the gizeh/bafath were plejaren ETs, I am sure somewhere along the line when Huitzilopotzli nafariously undermined Quetzacoatl, they could have intervened in some way and put a stop on the gizeh intelligences way back then. But then again, no matter how much we think for ourselves, since what we have been fed thus far is all that we have, it's not enough to go by to accurately determine exactly what the state of the affair is regarding all these discussed matters. And since what we have been given is all that we are allowed to know for now because of our lack of development, only when we have spiritually progressed far enough can we then be offered more. Since truth can burn people very deeply, i don't see how I can arrogantly state that, even those that deal in ET matters like us, we can be confident that we are truly mature enough. Most of the time when I look at the sky, I wish that they appear in their giant ships and reveal themselves to us. Maybe because of those religious zealots who lag behind that this reality cannot come to fruition in our life time, such a pity. But then again I am still hopeful and I can sense the tide is slowly gaining momentum. Cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Mark, Meant to say... Billy was the Seventh, or is he only the sixth prophet? If so who was the fifth? Randy ô¿ô | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear FIGU Members, It is better to disscuss old time using years BCE. " Jehav killed his father and ruled until 3320 years ago..... Plejos was handed command 2,040 years ago" etc... if we dont subtract the dates from the dates the contact information was given, we will loose track of the actual events. For that reason I wish if someone could put a modified chronological order of all the prophets and starting with the pre Adamian times through Adam up to Noah, then mentioning Abraham, Moses until we reach Jmmanuel and finally Mohammed. Some prophets could have more than one name depending on the language and cultures. Abraham is older than Jehav, so who taught him about the creation ? Who were the good guys versus the bad guys among the Plejarens ? We need a complete and detailed chronological order of the known prophets and the related Plejarans at their time up to Mohammed, and then the later contacts like Babachi, who actually created the Bahaii religion that came in 1844. It would be interesting to put the names of the co living known Mesopotamian and Egyptian Kings reigning at the respective times, for the older prophets. Salome Mohammed | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 06-2006 |
Oh, I forgot about Muhammed (the 6th Prophet in the Nokodemjon line -- date of birth reported to be April 20-26th 570 AD (but these dates may not be correct). Robjn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1022 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rarena, Jmmanuel was the 5th prophet Furthermore, the OM, canon 33, verses 102 and 103, reports the following text regarding the prophet of the New Age and his rebirth: Verse 102. And the son of man shall be in torment for a long time, and he shall be reborn in many lives as prophet; and he shall begin his mission on Earth as Enoch and return another time as Elijah, then as Isaiah, whom he shall follow as Jeremiah and Jmmanuel and then as Mohammed. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 03-2004 |
Clarification. Neither Vivienne nor I said that we were translating www.gaiaguys.net/voraussagen_jeremia.pdf (At least we never meant to leave that impression.) I thought everybody knew that an OFFICIAL tanslation will appear in the new edition of the TJ, whenever that comes out. Warning: it will make you cry. It might make you puke. Salome, Dyson P.S. Scott, where's your German original? :-) Where did this translation come from? P.P.S. Bulletin #58's first article (by Thibby Unger) is called "Death of Democracy - a glance out into a dark future" and deals with the US computer vote fraud, etc. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1023 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Dyson, My quote came right off the English FIGU Website "Clarification of a Defamatory Claim".. Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1024 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, This was given to me by one of our forum members a few years ago. I have included the German with it. 12 Affirmations According to Billy say these every day -10 years evolution in 1 year. 1. Wahrheitlich bin ich die strahlendste Schoepfung der Schoepfungsidee. ( Truly I am the most shining example of the Creation's idea.) 2. Wahrheitlich bin ich in allem Uebereinstimmung mit der Schoepfungsordnung und mit mir selbst. (Truly I am in complete agreement with the Creation's order and with myself.) 3. Wahrheitlich wendet sich alles fuer mich zum Besten, denn ich lebe im Erfolg der Idee der Schoepfung. (Truly everything turns itself towards the best for me because I live in the success of the idea of the Creation.) 4. Wahrheitlich weiss ich, dass es keine Widerstaende gibt gegen meine Erfolge, so auch nicht in meinen Gedanken und nicht in meinen Vorstellungen und auch nicht in meinen Gefuehlen. ( Truly I know that there is no opposition to my successes, also not in my thoughts, not in my imagination, and not in my feelings.) 5. Wahrheitlich weiss ich, dass ich alles kann und mir stets Erfolg beschieden ist, denn so ist es. ( Truly I know that I can do everything and that for me success is always the answer because it is so.) 6. Wahrheitlich bin ich selbst meines Schicksals Schmid und also ein geistiger und psychischer Magnet, der Gesundheit,Frieden, Ruhe, Liebe,Respekt und Ehrfurcht und Erfolg und Reichtum an sich zieht. (Truly I am myself the master of my own destiny and also a spiritual and mental magnet who attracts to himself health, peace, calm, love, respect and reverence and success and wealth.) 7. Wahrheitlich weiss ich, dass meine Gedanken meine Macht sind und dass ich damit alles meiner selbst bestimme. ( Truly I know that my thoughts are my power and that with these I define everything about myself.) 8. Wahrheitlich sind meine Gedanken meine Macht des Bewusstseins und des Unterbewusstseins, und ich verbuende mich in jeder Sekunde mit ihr. ( Truly my thoughts are the power of my consciousness and sub-consciousness with which I am in alliance in each and every second.) 9. Wahrheitlich bin ich froh und gluecklich und voller Liebe. ( Truly I am happy and lucky and full of love.) 10. Wahrheitlich bin ich eins mit dem Schoepfungsbewusstsein und so auch mit mir. ( Truly I am one with the Creative-consciousness and also with myself.) 11. Wahrheitlich besteht mein Leben und Wirken aus Erfolg, denn ich weiss, das "Erfolgreichste"ist der Erfolg. ( Truly my life and my work exist in success, because I know, that to reach my highest potential is success.) 12. Wahrheitlich ist mein Leben Erfuellung, denn alles erfuellt sich in mir, denn ich bin selbst Erfolg. ( Truly my life is fulfillment, because everything fulfills itself in me, because I am myself the most successful.) Regards Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott this is the second 'gift' you have bestowed that I am grateful for -- and it is another wonderful one -- Thankyou. I have a question you may not be able to answer, but, do you know who translated these words, and if it is an approved translation? Robjn | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Scott, Just curious, did you practice the affirmations for one year, and if so, what results did you experience? Thanks. It seems one of the dangers of affirmations is that the act of doing them presupposes/reinforces in oneself the lack of what one is affirming. But I guess one year of dilligent application is enough to beat down the objections of the consciousness. Kind of seems like brainwashing. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Scott do you know if one has to say the affirmations in german for them to be effective? (that is if they contain the code) or if they are valuable because of their meaning? (if one can traduce them to other language (for example spanish) and its effectiveness remains) thanks take care | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 04-2006 |
Just say that an affirmation is also a variation of meditation, it is a tool that allows yourself to "plant psychological seeds" in your subconscious, it's like programming your subconscious mind with both positive or negative commands.I recommend to "program" it only with positive commands (it's just an advice). Affirmations are very similar to prayers but while prayers are directed to a non-existant God, therefore useless, affirmations address your subconcious, your inner self.Both are tools for self-suggestion, but with different results. The subconscious is a wondrous thing, it does not sleep or rest and it records everything ceaselessy, so everyone should use it full time to their own benefit by "programming" it accordingly. Note that Billy's affirmations are written in PRESENT tense, not in future tense, he says "I am" and not "I will be".That is because the subsconscious cannot be scheduled like and agenda, it works in the "here and now" range.To try to plant an affirmation like "I will be wiser" is useless, because the subsconscious cannot interpret or decode when to begin to become wiser, so this command is suspended indefinitely. Note also that Billy writes affirmations, not negations, ("Truly I am NOT...).The trick is to enhance the positive rather than block the negative.Billy always stays in the positive-neutral range. Affirmations need that you really want to change yourself, without that affirmations will have little effect.This is "Die Macht der Gedanken", the power of thought. Slogans and propaganda are based on this concept of power of thought, but they do not address the real thing, spirituality and inner being, but material things.(Nike, just do it, Mc donalds Im Lovin it).This is pure crap."I'm lovin it" is a hidden affirmation. I got an e-book, author Jon Peniel,adressing some of this questions.It includes some truths like this and some assorted false teachings.I think i am able to filter the truth, to separate the wheat from the chaff.If you want to read it contact me, ectolin@hotmail.com | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks Robjn, Scott and James, Always appreciate any comments to expand our knowledge... Robjn (Indi), James, the reason for the my take on Billy having to continue as a spiritform here on Earth was this comment: 704. Meinerseits bewegen sich in mir manchmal Gefühle des Bedauerns für ihn, wenn ich über ihn nachdenke und mir bewusst mache, dass er noch annähernd weitere 50 Milliarden Jahre seiner selbstgewählten Pflicht und unzähligen Wiedergeburten eingeordnet sein muss, ehe er wieder die Möglichkeit hat, zurück in seine wirkliche Heimat zu gehen, die er stetig vermisst. 704. For my part sometimes feelings of pity move inside me for him when I think about him and recognize that he has yet almost a further 50,000,000,000 years of his self-chosen duty, and uncountable reincarnations that must be arranged, before he again has the possibility to return to his real homeland that he constantly misses. Billy Eine gewaltige Rede, lieber Freund Ptaah. Billy A powerful speech, my dear friend Ptaah. Hat Nokodemion aber schon unzählige Wiedergeburten während seiner ersten 58 Milliarden Jahre umfassenden grobmateriellen Entwicklung durchgestanden, und also auch die unzähligen Wiedergeburten der letzten 12 Milliarden Jahre, dann wird er die restlichen 47- 48 Milliarden Jahre auch noch schaffen. If Nokodemion has, however, already withstood uncountable reincarnations during his first 58,000,000,000 years of comprehensive course-matter development, and also the uncountable reincarnations of the last 12,000,000,000 years, then he would still manage the remaining 47,000,000,000 to 48,000,000,000 years. taken from: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 and many, many thanks to Vivviene and Dyson for their constant diligence. Randy Arena ô¿ô PS> My understanding is that Billy is the seventh and final prophet in this life. His spiritform will continue to reincarnate for the next several billion years... until AA, his true home... will again be finally entered. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2006 |
Randy I wish you had included your source in your initial post --- it would have saved misplaced energy ---- After reading the section you were referring to, it seems clear from the following exerpt from the gaiaguys prelim. translation referred to in your post, that you are correct: Seine Rückkehr aber bedeutete für ihn, dass er einem neuerlichen Evolutionsgang von 60-80 Milliarden Jahren eingeordnet wurde, ganz gemäss den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten, mit all den Leiden, Schmerzen und Nöten und jeglichen Dingen, die auch jeder anderen menschlichen Lebensform gemäss dem durch schöpferische Bestimmung vorgegebenen Evolutionsgang eigen ist. But his return meant for him that a renewed evolutionary course of 60,000,000,000 to 80,000,000,000 years would be ordained, entirely in the measure of the Creational Laws and Directives, with all the suffering, pain and need and all things that also, through the Creationally determined given course of evolution, belong to every other human life form. I guess it would follow from this that Nokodemjon will possible come back as a prophet during the course of this evolution, as the need arises. I would also think that the Figu Core Group, would be very interested in knowing 'who' will be the material host of Nokodemjon after Billy's passing. I read somewhere that the Core group members are going to incarnate almost immediately without having to wait the 1.5 the lifetime -- to enable the continuation of the mission. If this is the case, maybe that will apply to Nokodemjon as well. And, if this is so, then the Core Members may already know who this is going to be.......? We are unlikely to be privvy to that kind of information, but it is important to the mission --- we are all aware of the efforts the Tibetans make to find the Dalai Lama etc....... maybe, this will not be necessary because of the nature of the disclosure of facts instigated by the Plejaren, to 'awaken' Billy and inform him and us of the mission. So, it brings up the questions: Will Nokodemjon reincarnate quickly? Will the Core members know who he/she is? Will he/she be born and raised near the Silver Star Centre? Does Billy already know? Do the Core members already know? Will the person bearing Nokodemjon's spirit, be 'enlightened' to the circumstance, especially if not taking the role of prophet? etc............... Very interesting Randy. Thanks for opening this one up for thought. Robjn | ||
Tam2105 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2005 |
Thank you Scott for the Affirmations. I was also wondering the same thing as Memo regarding the code. Another thing, do the affirmations need to be spoken aloud or can they be recited silently to oneself? Thanks much! Tammy | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear FIGU Members, As we see Gabriel had the responsibility for Christianity and later on Islam. A question that comes to mind is the classification of Gabriel as a living spirit. Is he from the higher order semi spiritual beings or only a high level material being? Where do "angels" of such religions qualify in the creation hierarchy ? If he can be considered as a Plejaran the way Ptaah is, then his lifetime should be similar, not more than 1000 years. In that case one can understand his role in Insemenating Mary and over 600 years later appearing to Mohammed in the cave. Does anyone know of other later activities by him ? Salome Mohammed | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi indi, too many tough questions and most not answerable. Billy will be back in 2075.Sure FIGU will have the details of his future incarnations, but i don't think they're allowed to interfere with his education as a child and other aspects of future lives. Billy has been told the details of his future incarnations and of some members also. I think the category "prophet" is related to all those who "gave birth" to a new edition/ a new whole package of the teachings of the Geisteslehre.Therefore, there will be no more prophets at least until 2800, when the plejaren resume their contacts. But prophet is one thing and truth anouncer is some other thing.A truth announcer in my opinion is somebody who works hard studying and interpreting the teachings and tries to spread them.There will be plenty of those in the future, many quite mighty and powerful. What means "enlightened"...? I think after a life full of spiritual development like Billy in his present incarnation, there is a big leap in spiritual wisdom/knowledge, but his future incarnation will have to work very hard in order to re-gain his incredible consciousness related powers if that's what you mean (telepathy, telenose,telekinesis, predictive powers). | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1025 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Henok, Nokodemjon, Billy are the various names of personalities which the spirit form has taken during it's countless incarnations. Nokodemjon is not who is reincarnating, but the spirit which resides within that personality.. Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 06-2006 |
This is interesting. It is in regards to the prior discussion in this section on Magic Mushrooms. Neuroscientists find God in mushrooms Wednesday July 12, 2006 By Jeremy Laurance LONDON - A universal mystical experience with life-changing effects can be produced by the hallucinogen contained in magic mushrooms, scientists claimed yesterday. Forty years after Timothy Leary, the apostle of drug-induced mysticism, urged his 1960s hippie followers to "tune in, turn on, and drop out", researchers at Johns Hopkins University in the US have for the first time demonstrated that mystical experiences can be produced safely in the laboratory. They say that there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experiences and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They are "descriptively identical". And they argue that the potential of the hallucinogenic drugs, ignored for decades because of their links with illicit drug use in the 1960s, must be explored to develop new treatments for depression, drug addiction and the treatment of intolerable pain. Anticipating criticism from church leaders, they say they are not interested in the "Does God exist?" debate. "This work can't and won't go there." Interest in the therapeutic use of psychedelic drugs is growing around the world. In the UK, the Royal College of Psychiatrists debated their use at a conference in March for the first time for 30 years. A conference held in Basel, Switzerland, last January, reviewed the growing psychedelic psychiatry movement. The drug psilocybin is the active ingredient of magic mushrooms, which grow wild in Wales and were openly sold in London markets until a change in the law last year. For the Johns Hopkins study, 30 middle-aged volunteers who had religious or spiritual interests attended two eight-hour drug sessions, two months apart, receiving psilocybin in one session and a non-hallucinogenic stimulant - Ritalin - in the other. They were not told which drug was which. One-third described the experience with psilocybin as the most spiritually significant of their lifetime and two-thirds rated it among their five most meaningful experiences. In more than 60 per cent of cases the experience qualified as a "full mystical experience" based on established psychological scales, the researchers say. Some likened it to the importance of the birth of their first child or the death of a parent. The effects lasted for at least two months. Eight out of 10 of the volunteers reported moderately or greatly increased wellbeing or life satisfaction. Relatives, friends and colleagues confirmed the changes. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10390814 | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 |
is it too much ask billy to ask a plejaren to send some musical notes for us to listen to something ? i dont care what ill feel if i heard some plejaren music. id just want to understand it. me being a musician myself, in terms of having a music orgasim , yes ive been down that road plenty of times. and each time it has happened it never left me unsatisfied but curious of the sounds used and tempo and style, but for the most part i become desensetised but still appreciate, and could probly go through the same treatment if heard any of the plejaren music. as for the music simularites that billy mentioned of plejaren music , i didnt seem to get a feeling of any kind , and if i had , its nothing diffrent from when i listen to some bands that i like, nirvana, silverchair, patsy cline, beetles older stuff, mostly john lennon. anyways , could he give us a sample , instead of comparing ? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1027 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Indi, Jakes, Memo, Hector, The affirmations came from "The Meditation" and were translated by another passive member. I think they are said 3 times each, but I don't know whether they are encoded or not. Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Scott I was referring to Nokodemjon in this manner after reading the exerpts from the gaiaguys that Randy directed us to. Here is one phrase from http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm: It is generally known that Nokodemion does indeed know an age of 86,000,000,000 years and his oldest created people 29,500,000,000 years. And here is another of quite a few that refers to 'the Nokodemjon spirit form' -- from http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm: Denn es ist die Notwendigkeit gegeben, dass die Nokodemion-Geistform in dem Zeitraum, da sie wieder einen materiellen Menschenkörper belebt, auch im Wissen der Arahat Athersata-Ebene weiter evolutioniert. Because there is the necessity that the Nokodemion spirit form is, in the period that it again enlivens a material human body, also further evolved in the knowledge of the Arahat Athersata-level. and also Und wenn nun die Nokodemion-Geistform trotz ihrer hohen Entwicklung in einem Menschen lebt, dessen Bewusstsein in bezug des Geisteswissens höher entwickelt ist als eben bei den Mitmenschen allgemein, dann ist das auch nur möglich durch gewisse verändernde Massnahmen, die durch die Petale-Ebene ermöglicht wurden. And now when the Nokodemion spirit form lives in a human in spite of its high development, (and) whose consciousness is even higher developed than with the fellow humans generally, in respect of the knowledge of the spirit, then this is also only possible through a certain altered measures that would be made possible through the Petale level. and again Billy Das beruht aber nur darauf, dass der Nokodemion-Geistformträger die Möglichkeit hatte und hat, alle Nokodemion-Speicherbänke und Henok-Speicherbänke sich nutzbar machen zu können, weil er als einziger die frequenzmässige Möglichkeit hat, in diese Speicherbänke einzudringen. Billy But that is only based on (the fact that) the bearer of the Nokodemion spirit form had and has the possibility to make useful all of Nokodemion’s storage banks and Henok’s storage banks, because he, as the only one, has the measure of frequency possibility to penetrate into these storage banks I think that describing someone as the bearer of the Nokodemjon spirit form, implies that the name given to the spirit form is Nokodemjon? I have come across this kind of description before, and it has caused confusion on this forum before. Scott, do you understand my confusion? It seems that there were two main lineages 1) the Nokodemjon lineage and 2)the Henok lineage It is possible that Nokodemjon was the name of the first human in the lineage, and therefore this name is given as an overall name to describe the spirit form from then on? Maybe another source of confusion is in the different interpretations of the two phrases: the Nokodemjon spirit form and the spirit form of Nokodemjon. If they both mean the same thing, but we have given them different meanings, that could be one of the problems. It would be nice to get this cleared up --- it is always 'dangling' because it is obviously not clear. As usual, I am delving into meanings --- but i enjoy that, as i suspect many on this forum also do. Maybe you and others can offer some more clarification. Robjn | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2003 |
Scott, Do you have any idea what encoding entails? Like what is involved? What does Billy do to encode text? I wonder if it has anything to do with numerology. Since the letter values are only know for the German language, and since the code only resides in the German language texts, I wonder if numerology is the key. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1029 Registered: 12-1999 |
Robjn, When it is stated "the Nokodemjon Spirit Form", it could also be interpreted (in my opinion) as Nokodemjon's Spirit Form. I think it is saying the same as "the Spirit Form of Nokodemjon". I can see how it could be understood as one or the other. I am not aware of spirit forms having names as we understand and if they do, I haven't come across it Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 06-2006 |
On searching through the forum, i found my exact problem discussed in various places. I realised from my readings, that Nokodemjon was most likely at some time, the name of a 'man', but this name seems to be used to describe not only one incarnation, but millions of them. And there was even a post that mentioned that this name was used for many incarnations to follow the initial, as was Henok. But, then Joseph Emmanuel posted the following on Sept 10th 2004: "Im Laufe der Zeit lernte ich die Geschichte der Vergangenheit meiner Geistform kennen, die über viele Jahrmilliarden und Reinkarnationen hinweg immer wieder als neue Persönlichkeit auf verschiedenen Welten verschiedener Galaxien im weiten Universum in Erscheinung getreten war als Lehrer und Missionsausübender in Sachen der Lehre des Geistes, der Schöpfung, des Lebens, der schöpferisch-natürlichen Gesetze und Gebote und der Evolution. Ich erkannte, dass die früheste Persönlichkeit meiner Geistform den Namen Nokodemjon trug und bereits eingegangen war in die Reingeistebene Arahat Athersata, von wo aus sie jedoch in die materiellen Welten zurückkehrte und die belehrende Mission begann, die bis heute andauert und noch sehr lange Zeit andauern wird. Im Laufe weiterer Reinkarnationen wurde Nokodemjon resp. seine Geistform zu anderen Persönlichkeiten, die z.B. Namen wie Henok und Henoch usw. trugen und die bis in die heutige Zeit immer wieder als neue Persönlichkeiten geboren wurden, wobei jedoch die Geistform immer dieselbe blieb. Und so ist die vorerst gegenwärtig letzte Wiedergeburt dieser Geistform meine Persönlichkeit als 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier, der ich als Künder der Neuzeit neuerlich die Lehre des Geistes belehre unter den Erdenmenschen, und der ich eine Kontaktperson auf der Erde zu Menschen ausserirdischer Herkunft bin, und zwar zu Ausserirdischen, die sich selbst Plejaren nennen in ihrer eigenen Sprache, während sie in den irdischen Sprachen Plejadier genannt werden." and his translation (unofficial) of this passage from the German site: “In due course I became acquainted with the history of my spirit form, which had over many billions of years reincarnated as a new personality on to different worlds of different galaxies in the far universe as a teacher of the spirit, Creation, life, the creative-natural laws and directives, and evolution. I realized that the earliest personality of my spirit form carried the name Nokodemjon and had already been received into the pure spirit level Arahat Athersata, from which it later returned to the material world, whereupon the mission to teach the true knowledge began, which persists until today, and will continue in to the future. In the course of further reincarnations Nokodemjon embodied other personalities that carried names such as Henok and Henoch, and incarnated during these times again and again as new personalities, whereby however the spirit form remained always the same.” I guess this answers my questions :-) Robjn |
