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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 964 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hector, On further thought we might be confusing consciousness related evolution with the age of the spirit. I am looking into this further. Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 04-2006 |
For me this is also a kind of puzzle, with some pieces missing. The story of Nokodemion and his sons and daughters goes back 12 billion years ago.He and many of descents,his sons/daughters, who are the ones obligated to spread the mission and spiritual knowledge in the entire universe should be the ancient ET spirits we are talking about.(http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm). There`s something wrong with them in their chronology.For some reason their spirit age is older than usual.One explanation might be in one of their expeditions the hyperspace jump failed, so called null-time & null space, projecting them billions of years into the future.That is a adventurous conjecture of mine...i feel like Quetzal trying to solve the mysteries sorrounding Billy`s enormous wisdom and knowledge... This is very complicated indeed but i`ll keep on searching too. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2006 |
Here is one aspect that i can offer regarding this confusion. From the book "Existenz Leben im Universum" p.226-227 it says that it takes an average of 70 Billion years to reach the 100% quotient of the material life, and then one moves into the purely spiritual life. (I gather that would be Arahat Athersata) This 70 Billion is made up of an average of 28 billion spent in the material lifetime, and approx 42 billion in between material lives, evolving towards the pure spiritual. It then goes on to say that the earliest entry into pure spirit form from the physical lifetime requires about 60 billion all up with the longest time taken being 80 billion. These figures are based on the average life of an earth human being 100 yrs, with 152 yrs being spent in between incarnations (1.52) and this is also due to the nature of our gravity and planetary make up etc........ These figures are different for other humans from other planetary environments it seems. So, it appears that there is no set formula --- each human race having a slightly different progression timeframe. I am happy to provide the German text for this section if it is so desired by anyone. Robyn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 965 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Robyn, Thank you for your efforts. That sounds more like the information as I understood it. I can't explain the information that Hector quoted from Hans Lanzendorfer's website....The Plejarens fall into the 6-12 Billion age category as I remember it..which coincides with the ET Spirit forms on this planet. I think one of the missing pieces may be how a life is viewed when it is half material and half spiritual? In addition, the 1978, 4th edition of the Wassermann states: A spirit form generally takes 70-80 billion years to evolve to the point where it no longer requires a physical body. Regards Scott | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 |
Very nice work Robyn. Hector, then I guess your estimations are not quite in the ball-park, off maybe by a factor of 1000X or three orders of magnitude? 2,000 to 4,000 incarnation cycles seemed too short. How about 2,000,000 to 4,000,000? Does that seem about right? | ||
Pratik11 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2006 |
The teachings of the Buddha are much recent, and the scriptures have been preserved unlike in the West. How do we know if the Plejarens know anything at all, there were many Buddhas even as recent as 1000 A.D who gave the same information. Scott, this is where I read the information that Billy is the reincarnation of Buddha, it was posted by Eddioboy in the Archive through December 04, 2003, in the questions to Billy Meier. I ask that you check it. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 966 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Pratik11, Here is the exact quotation: Greetings Mr. Meier, Did your spirit form have previous incarnations as the Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, and as the mathematician, astronomer and scientist, Galileo Galilei? Thanks, Ed Moderator: As mentioned in prior answers in this section, Billy/FIGU will no longer answer any questions concerning his prior incarnations, as well as incarnations of other persons. Please re-submit a different question. This one will be removed shortly. Answer Exactly It says those type of questions will not be answered. I have asked similar questions before and received the same type of answer. Regards Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 |
Matt wrote in Miscellaneous: >>>Hi Scott, do you or anyone else here know the average number of past incarnations that the average (age 4,500,000 years) earth human spiritforum has previously had before this incarnation?>>> >>>and also discussed in this section by others>>> as an exercise, based on the figures I offered in post #15 and using the figures that Scott and previously Jacob had supplied about the age of Earth humans and ET seeded Earth humans, the following may be more informative ---- 1) if you have been in existence for 12,000,000 yrs (the oldest Earth human as Scott's post), then using the figure of 1.52 as an approximate number for how long one stays inbetween incarnations, by my simplistic calculation, that would mean 4.8 million yrs spent in a physical body If we generously say that av. lifespan is 70yrs then that would mean there have been approx 68 thousand incarnations 2)for the ET seeded humans, the above figures would be 12 billion --> 4.8 billion --> 68 million incarnations 3) 4.5 million --> 1.8 mill ---> 25-26 thousand Can someone correct me if my calculations are wrong? Robyn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 967 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Robyn, You know, I think this would be quite hard to figure, because people live longer and shorter lives depending on many factors including genetics the environment and the types of lives they are leading etc...for instance in the "Old Testament" people were living much longer lives. I would venture to say that most of the ET Spirit forms in past incarnations have lived longer lives, than perhaps they are living now on this planet. I also wonder does the size of the planet have a bearing on the life of a human and does the 1.52 figure apply to all life forms on all planets or just this one? Regards Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2006 |
I agree with your thoughts Scott --- and mentioned that in post #15. What I was offering with those calculations is based on the figure used in the text, and some on this forum seem to want to know some kind of figure of how many incarnations, so I provided just examples. It mentioned in the text that the SOL system and in our case the Milky way Galaxy of which we are a part, determines the lifespan potential, and gravity and other aspects do impact on size of humans, lifespan, and appearance etc...... the figures of 100yrs and 152yrs are described as: ....einer effectiven materiellen Lebensspanne des physischen Körpers...... which I read as: an actual material life-span of the physical body It went on to say that completely different data is applicable to people of other worlds and is dependent on various factors such as the distance of the planet between the sun, the size and type of the planet etc.. Also the stage of evolution of the planet and the life-form are influential as well, also climate and the quality of the air they breathe. So, on a distant world, a human spirit form may have a between carnations cycle of 720 yrs, with a physical lifespan of 180 yrs. Before the text got onto this, it had been discussion the 'intelligence quotient' and the progress that humans make in this department. Eg., it mentioned that based on 1000yrs of material life, with everything in best case scenario, then the quotient can at best go up by 1%. It then goes on to mention that in reality, there are high gains in some lifetimes, setbacks, standing still etc...... which will impact on this progression, and raising of Intelligence quotient. There is information about the quotient, and its spritual counterpart in the appendix of 'And still they fly'. I have not read all the German book yet, and look forward to more elucidation on this topic as I get through it. Robyn | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2006 |
I looked for it but i couldn't find anything. Does anyone know if billy has been a prophet on any other planets besides earth after coming out of the Arahat Athersata? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, in your answer to Pratik the moderators say the answer will be removed shortly and Billy answers as 'Exactly', which means....? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, Are we assuming that the life spans in the Old Testament are correct, how long did Adam the offspring of Semjasa really live? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 968 Registered: 12-1999 |
Spaceman, It means the answer agrees with the moderators statement, those type of questions will no longer be answered. Yes, I was assuming, of course I could be wrong, and I don't know how long Adam lived, that might be a good question to ask Billy. Scott | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 01-2006 |
I don't see how a (young) 4.5 million year old human earth spirit form have had around 25-26 thousand past incarnations on earth, when you take into account the population level as well as the human existence on earth timeline too? How could they have had all these number of past incarnations, it doesn't seem to add up to me? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, about my 117th post. The Moderator's statement says this question will be removed shortly (or answered briefly..?) and it says 'Exactly' isn't the answer for the question about Buddha incarnating as billy or is the answer 'Exactly' for the fact that such posts wouldn't be answered..? There is some ambiguity in that. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 971 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Robyn & Hector, I asked Christian for further clarification on the subject we have been discussing and here is what he said: Originally there was no difference being made between the time of the purely material existence and the half-material existence. Both together last 60-80 billion/milliard years. However later when we learned about the two periods, we learned that the state in the half-material, half-spirtual plane is lasting much much longer than the material phase. So, since there are no births in the half-material, half-spiritual period, there cannot be new incarnations, meaning getting a *new *body. However, in the "High Council" state of evolution, you still have a body (just one). So it sounds we were all on the right track more or less, but just needed a few more pieces to the puzzle.  Regards Scott | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey spaceman I am asking the question about Adam in the next round, is that fine...? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2005 |
Celestialbrother, Wasn't Adam an incorrect translation of OMEDAM Law (OM) - and (E) - Fullfillment (DAM) aka HUMAN. According to a previous post: The lifeform omedam is the fullfillment of the Law of Creation in 0rder of it own evolution. The human form is created for the purpose to evolve Creation itself by means of countless lives in the material realm and after that as a pure-spiritform with Creation so that Creation benefits from the spirits' knowledge and wisdom and evolves itself a little more. There were 40,353,607 original human races with 343 different skincolors originally which have multiplied and interbred manyfold. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 490 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Rarena, Adam was not an incorrect translation, it actually means 'First human' or Earthhuman, because of the letter 'A' meaning the beginning, Alpha. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Jacob, I would like to read and learn the 'Creative Lessons', I searched through the archives and maybe I am misunderstanding, but I could not find any direct lessons as such,like for example the Spiritual lessons. Are they available? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thought this may be of interest to those who have not read the 229th Contact: The age of the prophets Henoch 366yrs, Son of Kretan (Plejaren) Jeremia 82 yrs, Son of the hight Priest Hulkis of Anathoth Jesaia 82 yrs, Son of Amoz of Sidon Elia 111yrs, Son of Josias of Gilad Tisbitia Robyn | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Scott, Did the lifespans of men reduce gradually as in the Bible or suddenly due to the gene mutations caused by the Sirians on us? |
