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Anday727
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi 462,
and welcome on board.

Some answers on your questions don't belong in this forum section and should be posted elsewhere, so I apologize to the moderator.

Information is for free (www.figu.org; www.theyfly.com; www.gaiaguys.net), but why do you expect to get for free someones work (books,dvds...). The Plejarens already help us a lot, the rest is on us!

It is not forbidden to learn German.

Salome,
Dejan
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462
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey!
Tjames,
My username is 46 and 2 but I used an ampersand "&" and it didn't come out. Itís about chromosomes if youíre interested.
But I mean it could be handed over through downloadable .pdf files, even called e-books.
People like things that are free, and there are also people that don't own money of there own.


Anday I think german is really really difficult tryed to learn it in school but I packed in after a half year. die das der ect ect neverending story.=) if you catch my drift.


Markc I truely understand what you mean, but don't you think it would be unfare for the poeple of germanic origin should have it already provided for them. I mean I know 2 languages of by heart. Swedish and English and I've got very vital use for it in this true subject of astonishing importance.

My forgivness for any missplacement of post.

thanks to all,
wishes are a STRONG power! Universal Peace
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Tjames
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear 46&2,

I was wondering if you studied how to affect or enhance gene senthysis in the frontal lobes, from what I know these are responsible for higher thinking and the (German word learned from Billy Meier) Gemut which works with the spiritual counter-part & processes can be triggered(?)so to speak and enhance mediations by producing either an accelerated neuron sensation through this proposed accelerated neuron firing. The only way I know how this can be done is by thinking these things which if directed appropriately will eventually transpire to a varying degree.

Curious,
Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Meditators,
Many people regard meditation as an important method for spiritual growth. However I present a warning below which you may like to heed regarding meditation, given by Valery Uvarov in his book "The Wands of Horus". Valery is the Head of UFO Research, Paleosciences and Paleotechnology of National Security Academy of Russia. You may choose to ignore his warning and you will not agree with all that he has written, but with an open mind, I am sure you would learn much by looking at the extracts of his new book found as a PDF at
www.neilos.org/library_wands_books.htm
The warning found in the chapter "Apopis(The Factor of the Cosmic Law)":
"What is touched upon---has a direct bearing on the safety and security of the individual and the very foundations of his or her spiritual and ethical doctrines. Through spiritual laziness we have entrusted that which each of us should do and perceive for ourselves to "spiritual mentors" who have "dumbed down" for general consumption the surviving fragments of knowledge, reducing these treasures of ancient wisdom to the absurd. Unbeknownst to themselves, all practitioners have found themselves face to face with a danger that they still cannot see, but that has already entered their lives with the blessing of the teachers they revere."
"Entering into interaction with energies of a higher order, a person without becoming aware of it becomes a carrier of those energies. The core of the matter is that the beginning of the transformation processes that accompany the formation of a new energy system will always pass through a phase of spontaneous cell division in the organism; this is known as cancer."
The results of an analysis carried out-"Within 7-10 years of graduating from a school of healing, many diplomaed specialists engaged in healing practice died of oncological diseases. This applies not only to healers and psychics, but also to the ideological leaders of spiritual and esoteric schools. Sri Djuddu Krishnamurti, Romana Maharishi, Sri Ramakrishna, Sri Auribindo, the Mother, Madame Blavatsky, Helena Roerich, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Vanga, Osho, Castaneda and many others have also succumbed to cancer. Ignorance of 'The Law' evidently does not free humans from the requirement to observe it!"
To control the ongoing process the ancient Egyptian priests used the 'Wands of Horus' and the pyramids-tools "suggested to them by a civilisation at a higher level of development, undoubtedly of cosmic origin."
Finally"Despite the fact that this is an extremely important natural phenomena that has been identified---we anticipate that some people's reaction will be aggressive disagreement."--"From the moment they read this material the responsbility for ignoring the warning rests squarely with them".
I hope that what I have included here is of some value. Much more useful material is to be found in this extract which will stimulate the thought processes.
Best Wishes To All,
Charles
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Scott
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Post Number: 863
Registered: 12-1999
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Charles,

I am not sure how meditation ties into the rest of what you presented. I have never heard of cell division occurring because of an exposure to higher energy? According to Billy Madame Blavatsky was not as knowledgable as she imagined herself to be, which to me would not put her in the class of an ideological leader.

Scott
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Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 04:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Scott,
I only wanted to make people aware of possible negative effects of meditation. They could pursue the information themselves if desired and come to their own conclusion and act accordingly.This warning applies in full measure to those who work in some way with subtle energies such as meditation in which the person enters a "different state of consciousness".
What is meditation? According to Jiddu Krishnamurti(1895-1986):"Man, in order to escape his coflicts, has invented many forms of meditation. These have been based on desire, will, and the urge for achievement, and imply conflict and a struggle to arrive. This conscious, deliberate striving is always within the limits of a conditioned mind, and in this there is no freedom. All effort to meditate is the denial of meditation.
Meditation is the ending of thought. It is only then that there is a different dimension which is beyond time."
I may stand to be corrected, but I think that Billy Meier made a positive statement somewhere about J. Krishnamurti. An enlightening book his book on Meditations.
Charles.
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Sonik_01
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 06:43 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Kiwiseeker,

I think Semjase said something that the cause for cancer was a "parasite-like" existance and lifestyle, and also, meditation under pyramids, like suggested in your book, which are not copper and are not of the right proportions causes very extensive damage to the psyche and consciousness, if practiced over a long time. In a contact with Ptaah, Billy and him agreed that unfortunately, this practice would likely continue for a long time on Earth.
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Quantumcorporate11
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Charles, Do I know you? You call me by my middle name. .only folks that know the actual (not
cyber) me would know that. In light of the current
discussion, I believe a handful of us are trying to reach a constant state of "non-thought" or meditation to truly grasp the ways of what is creative. I believe it's a lot like a golf swing. .you clear your mind, concentrate on nothing but
the ball and relax. Or like drumming. .squeeze
release, repeat. Everything is a pattern. The creative edge lies in bieng able to identify which
one it may be. :-)

Robert S. Cohn
c/o Quantum E3 Corporation
Subterranean Housing Project
quantumcorporate11@gmail.com
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Paul
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What kiwiseeker had to say was very interesting. All I have to add is that meditation done in a positive loving way produces healing and health. What others did while seeking enlightenment are unknown factors to us. There are those who may meditate and seek power or advantage thus causing some negative affects.
I do know being in the health field that stress greatly increases health problems and can manifest in many different ways to each individual. Some life threatening some not.
Meditate on love and give light to those areas of darkness and one can not fail.

Peace
Paul
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Scott
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Post Number: 869
Registered: 12-1999
Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Paul,

What do you mean about "meditation done in a positive loving way produces healing and health"? That is not meditation in the sense of what true meditation is as I understand it. In order to meditate one must first learn to concentrate. I would suggest reading some of the posts in the Spiritual teachings/meditation section.

Regards
Scott
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Paul
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Scott but what I meant was meditation is a means to an end. And I was referring to kiwiseekers suggestion that some bad results were attained physically when meditating.
My real reference was to that and why those that received bad physical results, IE cancer etc., had maybe to do with their real reasons for the meditation. To gain power over others and material gain could in fact result in poor physical health. I hope I am making some sense here. Thank you again for your time .
sincerely Paul

Ps. Meditation is not just concentration it is Metaphysics, quantum physics disipline,and love, all leading to a higher self and vibrational level. Yoga means divine union with God or the creation and yoga is deep meditative practice.
Peace
Paul.
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Tjames
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Post Number: 196
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Paul

Welcome to the forum, I do enjoy reading a wide variety of topics and about people with diverse backgrounds. I appreciate your perspective and I would like to add something to this string of thought. Meditation is by definition concentration of thought i.e. the mind however, at first glance it appears that you may be mixing up the definition with results or "affects from meditation". For example when one meditates correctly, clears all thoughts and goals and objects in their mind and balances their psyche to neutral positve thinking they have to potential to affect reality positively i.e. themselves and others through quantum physics, vibrations, harmonics, magnetic forces, fluidal forces and psychic impulses ranging from the 5 or more different types and other spiritual factors... we change our existance. We already affect ourselves and everyone around us without effort, the question is what affects are we inducing?

My main point is that the act of meditation may encompass a wide variety of these things to varying degrees but when one says "meditation" under the definition understood by myself through the f.i.g.u. it is thought control i.e. CONCENTRATION.
And then when one concentrates correctly over a (probably lengthy) period of time they can develop and begin to change themselves, material manifestations, heal, telekenisis and psychic abilities of various forms have been discussed and associated with thorough meditation and these attributes are in my opinion only "the fruits of hard-earned mind development" through struggle and inner reflection/concentration which never equates as the meditation but only reflects the work went in.

I hope this reaches you,

Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Alan
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 02:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"And then when one concentrates correctly over a (probably lengthy) period of time they can develop and begin to change themselves, material manifestations, heal, telekenisis and psychic abilities of various forms have been discussed and associated with thorough meditation"

How many people here (figu) or in the world can do some of these things?
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Tjames
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not many that I know, but then again there aren't that many people involved in the F.i.g.u. We are all struggling to understand the teachings (many in German) let alone apply them. Also the introductions and more detailed explanations to meditation lay in untranslated form which I am working on myself and have been doing for the past year. Gaiaguys has also worked tremendously on these things.

What's your point? If you are skeptical that these abilities exist, that's fine. But to ask for a survey of who can do these things is unreasonable because this is something that probably only people with advanced screening technologies like the "Plejaren" have the capabilities for.
Yeah you could do a survey and ask people, but I don't think this would be accurate nor worthwhile because the point of the Meier contacts is to get people to think for themselves so that individuals start inner reflection/ meditation not focusing on "how much your neighbor has obtained" although sometimes these things are very useful I don't think it applies in this context. Again, I'm having trouble seeing your point.
This meditation discussion doesn't really add to the growth for a better understanding of meditation. I suggest learning German and perhaps reading some of the material there because that's where most of the information lays, especially with meditation. Although a great english booklet sold at the figu shop titled "Ein wichtiges Wort zu okkulten Kraften und zur Meditation" or in Engish "An important word concerning the occult forces and meditation" This one is like a few dollars and well worth the purchase. This is only my suggestion.

Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Alan
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Tjames,

I am not being skeptical as you or some other people here (poor vote rating on my prior post?) might be thinking that I am in the question I had asked, because i am not asking the question about who can do some of those things, I am merely asking how many people can.

Thats all i really wanted to know.

I also do not doubt at all that there are people in the world that can do some of those things.
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Tjames
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We'll practice is the main thing you can do. I'm sorry for the lame terms but it does apply. And, no I'm not a big voter anyway because peoples posts tend to speak for themselves. But, if you want real answers, like I suggested in post 197 there are some English booklets that touch on the "possiblities" of human conciousness and if you can read german Einfuhrung in die meditation is the Introduction to the meditation which explains a good deal.

Good Luck!!

Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Markc
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 06-2000
Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Alan ;

A good question . I don't think there is a record of how many people can do these things ; or that many would tells others freely about their abilities . It is after all , personal and private . The FIGU is not like some kind of Hogwarts school for magic ( of Harry Potter stories) , where there would be competitions of spiritual powers , just in case you wondered about that .

Regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Tjames
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Post Number: 200
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark, Alan that's pretty funny. Hogwarts.

I don't think people that have developed skills such as fluent telepathy (desipher spirit symbols of which there are millions)or flat out telekenisis will even be discussing their abilities on a forum. They are using them either in private or in small circles, or in rare cases people who think they are talking to the dead and in all likelyhood are simply contacting the akashic records (John Edwards for example)
As it probably goes without saying.
Alan what I'm doing is trying add myself to the list of people that can do just SOME of the communication tools our bodies can develop like psychic, mental and spiritual/physical, instead of wondering what others can do, I wonder what I can do. Catch my drift.

Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Alan
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes i understand what you mean Tjames.

I have ordered Michael Horns new spirit workshop dvd. I am very much looking forward to its arrival.
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Psycloud
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Markc, your definitely right about abilities being private, and yes I think meditation is key to developing any of these things.
I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth.
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Tjames
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan,

That Spirit Workshop is good, I've used it quite a bit. It is astonishing what concentration on inner issues does physically and emotionally speaking.. it's just wonderful how organized and balanced one feels after doing one of those workshops or any meditation done right for that matter. I'm just speaking my truth as usual and Horn actually put my comments on the newsletter, cool huh! I wonder how many people subscribe to that newsletter, hmmm?
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Markc
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Post Number: 365
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Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good discussion here .
I think also worthy of mention is the fact that at our stage of development , I believe , we use some properties of our senses that can be related to the more developed abilities .

I will think about someone in a way that is something "like a conversation" , involving what I would say , what she would say ; and the phone will ring . I don't think that I sensed the coming of the call , but that I caused it from intense thought .

In any case ,it's just a feeling on my part , more than coincidence , but I'm not making statements directly from the teachings .
I really want to read "Macht der Gedanken" . I think it's a really important book .

Mark
Mark Campbell
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 299
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear members

Does anybody know whether there is any negative side effects for people who have performed meditation, be it the PM or daily for some time then for one reason or another were not able to do any meditation at all for a number of weeks?

Why I ask is that due to unforseen circumstances, I haven't been able to perform any meditation which I use to do nearly everyday but weren't able to do for a number of weeks.
During those weeks I haven't been able to do the meditation, I've noticed so many negative things happening around me and also being able to control negative thoughts have become harder to do which has an overwhelming effect.
Although the knowledge of self responsibility is a given fact, realising it outwardly is not easy.
I also sense this overpowering force of negativity more so when I haven't performed much meditation then enter certain old church or buildings. Maybe it is to do with residual fluidal forces left in them or the current residing people's inclinations maybe negative, I am uncertain but this overwhelming sense of disgust and my inability to control myself comes from this powerful negative force somewhere. I gather it could be the product of my own making and from my own psyche and personality so I have ignored it and didn't bother mentioning it but it's becoming much more certain as a fact that I simply cannot ignore it and dismiss it.

Another thing is, when I am around certain people, this sense of overwhelming negativity sprouts out of nomewhere and has this debilitating effect where I cannot think properly and it arrests my whole mind and the freedom to express. I've thought about it for some time now and turned many stones for some answers but to no avail, some likely possibilities were heredity, traumatic childhood experiences, lack of self control or the will to do, the current negative surroundings, lack of psychical and spiritual development, lack of knowledge, lack of motivation, lack of concentration and focus, lack of thought (in the 'I' sense of the word), lack of new experiences, lack of resolution because adequate solution are lacking thereof, my busy lifestyle, unresolved issues, diet, lifestyle, the place I live in, the numbers of my telephone, street address, the weather, the electromagnetic grid, the stars, my personality and character, the current news, etc etc etc

If you dear members have any advice, suggestions, info, recommendations or words of wisdom I very much would appreciate it.

cheers
Matt

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