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    Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 01-2004 |
i dont understand why there is still confusion about the 6 and 7 senses. billy answered that question in the questions to billy section. psyche and spirit, both of which have send/recieve abilities from what i understand. i think what would be helpfull is like a family tree style drawing/diagram of the 7 senses, and in regards especially to the 6th and 7th sense,,, branch out the many abilities that one can do by using either the 6th or 7th senses. i think that may bring much clarity. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi: I'm the brother of Incredible and I don't have account with you. Thanks to billy meier I'm practicing meditation from about 6 years. From that time I had many interesting vivid dreams. One of many things that catched my attention are some gigantic entities that have a field of white light around them as an aura. They had very refined face, very beautiful in appearance. They where a man an a woman. By their way of acting, they appear to be more evolved beings than us. Two days ago I saw those entities again, and when they saw me, they expelled me from the place where they where in an abrupt way but compassionated at the same time. I could go an do what I wanted on that dream. That "dream" was as to be awake. Who are those peoples or entities? Are those entities from the spiritual plane of this planets? Are they extraterrestrials? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1226 Registered: 12-1999 |
Brother of Incredible, This section concerns the spirit, spirit forms, and the psyche...nothing of what you mentioned relates to this topic. If you want to discuss this as a dream, please post in the dream section. Scott-Moderator | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 801 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Badr and All... As far as I know, is: "Fühlen/Feel(ing)-(Sense) and Empfindung/Sensation". In Dutch, is: "Fühlen/Voelen-Aanvoelen and Empfindung/Sensatie- Gewaarwording" "Gewaarwording" meaning: (Consciously) becoming (deeply) Conscious of impressions. One can Feel/Sense something, with Body and Spirit. And when that Feeling is Very Very Deep(takes hold of the both 'Entirely'; to the Core, so to speak): than, One can speak of a Sensation(Sensatie-Gewaarwording). Thus, a Sensation is Much Much More Deep, and Penetrating....than a Feeling/ Sense. In short: One can Sense something, and when that Sense is very very deep, than it becomes a Sensation. Or, when One Feels/Senses with his/her fingers, this processing is slightly Limited and just projects itself to the brain, to Identify it; but when this processing goes much much more further...not only to the brain, but throughout the Whole Entire Body: than One can speak of (a) 'Sensation'. As the saying goes: "Goes through Marrow and Bone"(Sensation). Correct me if I missed out on something? Edward. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 03-2007 |
As I study the German language, I continue to be amazed at common word root origins. Notice the similarity between, "Empfindung" to the English, "Empathy find". Bob | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 03-2004 |
Edward, I offer this info as I have understood it from the different writings. Fühlen is sensing with the psyche, which is itself material. Empfindung is a type of sensing with the gemut, which itself is spiritual in form. Thus the two types, as I understand it, are not just different degrees of one another, but actually just different types of information gathering mechanisms altogether, with one being material and the other being spiritual. The sensing via the psyche is very limited in comparison to sensing via the gemut. The gemut has the capability of direct knowledge while the psyche does not. In this use of the words "direct knowledge" I am specifically refering to the fact that the gemut can have direct access to any place or time in this Creational Universe without actually travelling there because the gemut is integrally part already of the entire universe on a non-material level. The psyche on the other hand, is limited by material constraints. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 804 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thomas.... Very well done, Thomas! I am familiar with your detailed information. You have the idea...  Of the - Material Awareness - related to the 'Psyche' and the - Spirit Consciousness -, related to the 'Gemut'. Experiencing it Materially/Body as well as Spiritually/Spirit. This was what I was referring to...when expressed, as you have. You knew, which direction I was referring to. I was just keeping it as simple as possible, but you DID SEE, much much more Further, than what is/was written. So, "Hats Off To You", for: SEEING much further than the length of your/our nose(s), as the saying goes... You are very Perceiving! And: As the saying goes: "Goes through Marrow and Bone"(Sensation/ "Gewaarwording"): I was referring it Materially/Body(Psyche)...as well as Spiritually/Spirit (Gemut); but of course, the 'Gemut' interacts this experience...much much more deeper. Material-wise, it speaks for itself, that it is limited, in comparison to Spiritual-wise. The Gemut is indeed, in much more Direct Contact, if you will....with Creation...when it comes down to Spiritual Format. As Creation, being Spiritual of itself...just as our Spirit and the Gemut...within, and: Within Creation. Edward. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Bianca I noticed your question to Billy: While at the Centre I inquired with few members about the Psyche and its specific relation with the Gemut but they did not know the answer to this question: Can you please explain 'how an Un-balanced' Psyche can demand back impulses utilization of Spiritual energy from the Gemut? Note to Christian: maybe you remeber me asking you when we were talking while looking at a diagram about Material Consciousness, the Sensor, the Material Sub-consciousness and the Material Central consciousness and opposite on the page referred to the spiritual and the following were written: Spiritual consciousness, Impulses, zensor, Spiritual Sub consciousness and Spiritual Central consciousness. An arrow from the Spiritual Central consciousness pointed towards the Material Central consciousness and I asked HOW is it possible for the Un balanced Psyche to demand back impulses from the Gemut? I thought whilst you were waiting for the answer from Billy, I could offer you my thoughts on the same query or at least my understanding at this stage of my learning. Firstly, the phrase you were referring to was I think: “Eine unausgeglichene Psyche kann Impulse vom Gemüt zurückfordern” My tentative translation of this is: An unbalanced psyche gets back/has returned/reclaims impulses from the Gemüt You can see how your translation and mine take on a different meaning. If it is ‘reclaimed’ then, to me that implies that is sent it in the first place, and gets it returned. If you then apply this statement to the context of how impulses are sent from the psyche to the Gemüt and back again, and the fact that some are accepted to enter the Gemüt ( those that fulfill the criteria for neutral +ve), and some are rejected and then sent back (those that are either negative or positive) which may be a sign of an unbalanced psyche, then that phrase, makes sense. I found this below, which also I think explains the ‘how’ the interface between Gemut and psyche occurs. I think also, with regard to that schema you mentioned in your post, it is important not to forget that it is only a map, a representation – and that in reality the material consciousness block and the spiritual consciousness blocks are not sitting exactly as set out there – but more likely more closely intertwined – just as the ‘beyond’ is not away from us but right here where we are as well, just in a different dimension. This seems to be indicated as well in the exerpt below. I have not shown my translation for the below exerpt, as everyone does their own in their own way: Von Wissenwertes No. 11 p.48 (please forgive me if there are any mistakes in this as I have not edited it thoroughly) “Aus der Erklärung geht hervor, dass der Mensch das Gemüt nicht direkt beeinflussen kann, nichtsdestoweniger jedoch vermag er vieles zur Evolution des Gemüts beizutragen, und zwar dann, wenn er empfindungsmässige Schwingungsimpulse zu schaffen vermag, die ja bereits zur geistigen Natur belangen. In dieser Form vermag der Mensch in einem grossen Rahmen an der Gestaltung des Gemüts mitzuwirken. Diese Mitgestaltung erfolgt jedoch nur in der äussersten Schicht des Gemüts, in der Oberfläche, der sogenannten Gemütsrinde, die wie ein vielfarbiger, hauchdünner Farbfilm wirkt. Dieser hauchdünne Rindenfilm ist es dann auch, der noch eine gewisse Verbindung zur Psyche im materiellen Körper unterhält und von dem die Psyche rückläufig wieder beeinflusst werden kann. Das heisst, dass die Psyche rückläufig wieder von den eigenen Impulsen getroffen werden kann, die sie an das Gemüt schwingungsmässig abgestrahlt hat, dies jedoch auch nur dann, wenn die Psyche dermassen unausgeglichen ist, dass sie die Impulse wieder zurückfordert. Die unausgeglichene Psyche verarbeitet das Zurückerhaltene wieder um in ihr bekannte Unwerte, die dann eben negativ, lahm und unevolutiv sind. Dies erfolgt jedoch wirklich dann, wenn vom Gemüt noch nicht absorbierte Schwingungsimpulse wieder in die Psyche zurückgeholt werden, wenn diese einem Tief oder einer Unausgeglichenheit verfällt.” Hopes this helps Bianca In peace Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 813 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Indi..... Yes, of course: the material consciousness block and the spiritual consciousness blocks - Overlap/Incorporate(in ONENESS/Duality) - each other. The schemas(showing them 'spaced/separately', if you will) are just to give you an idea, how they work. If they were Overlapped/Incorporated in a schema, it would be such a mush... : unclear. And concerning your statement of the Beyond:'just as the ‘beyond’ is not away from us but right here where we are as well, just in a different dimension.' From what I have read is that the Beyond is Layer between our atmosphere and hyperspace. This is also mentioned in Guido's book. But, if this is as you say: - but right here as well, just in a different dimension -: than the Beyond does still 'extend' itself around/in, in our life/existence environment, but only in an other Vibration/Dimension, which I have also gathered from other sources, in the past; and which I also thought to be true. So, those sources...were correct, also. And perhaps Guido, was referring to our atmosphere(extended) and up to the rim; just at the point of hyperspace? Instead of: 'between' our atmosphere and hyperspace? Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 305 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Edward, can you give me the exact quote in one of Guido's book where it says that the beyond is a layer between hyperspace and our atmosphere. I have read both of Guido's books and it says no such thing. In fact the beyond as you call it coincides with physical space, as does hyperspace. I understand that maybe you misinterpreted because all of us make mistakes, but if you give the quote that you are thinking of, we here who know the material a little better can help you. Sincerely, Thomas | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Edward you wrote: And concerning your statement of the Beyond:'just as the ‘beyond’ is not away from us but right here where we are as well, just in a different dimension.' From what I have read is that the Beyond is Layer between our atmosphere and hyperspace. This is also mentioned in Guido's book. Yes, I seem to recall reading something like that myself. I will go back and look for my source, and also maybe look for the one you mention, as it is always good to get clear on these kinds of points. Usually I find there is an explanation to be found :-) I will post again when i find something In peace Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 815 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thomas and Indi.... Yes, of course. I thought to have read it was from Guido; but indeed, it does seem I obtained it from somewhere else. Guido does have it correct. AY...TF - p.294: 'in and around every inhabited heavenly body as a globular, layer shell of etheral matter' And for us Earthlings, it is indeed within our atmosphere. So, the previous sources I obtained this information, was also indeed correct ...and as I also truly acknowledged. Apologies Guido...! Well, of course, this just polishes/refreshes up my memory. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 817 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Robijn.... Yes, I may have indeed also absorbed the mentioned, as you mentioned. It may indeed be told in 2 ways, in Guido's book? I knew, I obtained it from somewhere; the 7 levels is also known to me: we all project ourselves to the suited Spirit/Evolution/Intelligence level. Please, do inform us/me, when you find it? I will skim in Guido's book to see if I can find it, also. Many Thank You's dear Robijn... Edward. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Anthea This is in reference to your post in 'Diet' on phantom limb pain. I would like to hear you explain your comment about the pain being 'auric' a little more if possible. This does not make sense to me however, as sensations such as pain, itching, tingling etc.... which are reported by amputees, are material sensations, and interpreted by the material sense. My understanding is that there is some kind of crosswiring in the somatosensory cortex that occurs in the brain after a part of the body is lost, and there have been tests done that seem to support this theory. The part of the psyche that existed in that part of the body lost, is also lost with that part. The spiritform also retracts instantly at the time of loss of the part, thus, with no psyche, and no spirit, I don't see why there would be an auric field in that spot, say a finger, if the material, psyche and spirit no longer inhabit that space. Because of this, I would appreciate you explaining further, or sending me to where I can find more. in peace Robjna If Billy has come up with another explanation though, I would really like to be directed to where I could find that if you would. | ||
Likeaflower Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hello Robjna, I will do my best to explain the phantom pain of missing limbs' connection with the aura/fluidal forces to the best of my own knowledge (which still falls short in many aspects also, so it would be best to confirm what I am about to tell you). The information comes from early contact conversations Billy had with Asket in the 60's and again at a later time with Semjase. I unfortunately cannot tell you a precise contact#, date, etc. as it has been some time since I have read this information. I have in the meantime confirmed the information with my husband, who is also a long-time student of the Teachings so that I can be sure that I can at least give you an idea of where to find more definitive answers. The explanation goes as follows: Creation has determined for the human being a shape, our humanoid shape, which consists of both course material (our fleshly bodies we can see and feel), and a fine matter counterpart to the body, i.e. our aura and fluidal forces. Our aura and fluidal forces surrounds our entire bodies, and is also thus in the exact shape of our body, which of course is unseen by the naked eye (at least at our current evolution we cannot see auras). If we had some special means of seeing auras, we would thus see the aura as a glowing energy surrounding our body, but also having a humanoid shape, i.e. it is not a round, or square, or other shape of energy surrounding us, it in fact has a head, torso, arms, legs, feet and hands etc. in the exact shape of our course material bodies, surrounding us like a cloak if you will. When our fleshly coarse-matter body loses a limb, the fine-matter counterpart of that lost limb still remains in its pure energy fine-matter form - as if the lost coarse-matter limb was still attached to the body. This is, from what I understand, the origin of the 'phantom pain'. How exactly this pain actually manifests itself, through what mechanism or action, I cannot explain, as I do not have this particular knowledge. Additionally, if I may correct you on the Psyche and Spirit as you describe it above: The Psyche is an actual half-material half-fine matter organ located between the breastbone, in the middle of the chest, and is part of the nervous system. It is, according to the Spirit Teachings, the "center of the feelings" (being the fine-matter part of the Psyche). The Psyche and its location has not yet been discovered by our medical science. Our Spirit, is in fact the size of a flea, is a glowing part-piece of Creation, i.e. pure fine-matter energy located inside our brains and is what animates us, i.e. it is the source of our life-force. The Psyche and the Spirit is always present and is not 'lost', or cannot go missing in part, in any form, through a loss of limb. However, in the case of our Spirit, that would be unless of course the body part that is severed is the head, in which case we die. If by "Spirit Form" you meant "Aura" then the answer would be that the Aura does not retract (or change its shape) when a limb is lost. As far as I understand it, only the coarse-material form is lost, in this sense also the material nerves which is connected to the course-material half of the Psyche; the fine-matter counterparts remain. The fine-matter remains always the same, in the original Creational given humanoid form. Now like I said, this is only my own understanding, based on information I read from the contact notes and my further studies of the Teachings throughout the years, so I advise/suggest you seek some confirmation, etc. Salome, Anthea C. Overpopulation Threat Blog "He is happiest who hath power to gather wisdom from a flower." -- Mary Howitt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 825 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Robjna and Athena.... I was also thinking of what Athena mentioned - Humanoid Form/Shape -, when writing the previous posting...at the - FIGU's Discussion Board » The Planet Earth » The Human Body » Diet -, but was not too sure of the case and thought not mention it; so positively...I was on the right track, now that Athena has confirmed my previous thoughts. That would indeed explain the 'incorporation' of the Spirit's - Life Force - (Material Body and Fine Auric Matter particals) and the Humanoid Form/Shape, combination factor. So the - Life Force - Still Does...function (constantly) within the Human Form/Shape format, (even) during the lose of limb, or what ever the case may be...of the human body. And of course, the Psyche can still capture the sensations of Pain, also, which speaks for itself....knowing it is within the Spirit(Duality). Billy did mention that PAIN is an - Alert Mechanism - within the human body. And so it seems, that this mechanisms is just telling that the body or body-part where the pain is, needs some attention. So, One would think that the Pain is just telling us that there is an 'Unbalancement/Disharmony' in that particular part of the body...where it is generated from. And of course, that Pain is interconnected with/to the Spirit as well as the Psyche...which also analyzes the pain, and thus we as human being(s) feel the Pain with our human sense, so to speak. And of course, the mentioned is also from my own gathering of studied facts...and own analysis. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1281 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, In the book Die Psyche there is mention of the use of Magnetopathy. Does anyone know what this is referring to? Is this referring to the use of magnets? I have done a search on the internet for this, but really havent been able to find anything that describes what exactly this is. Thanks for any comments. Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 849 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott... Only data I came across was: Émile Magnin, a Professor of Magnetopathy in Paris 1907. Professions in Hypnosis, Magnetism and some others. You could be correct with the usage of Magnets? Seeing the he also practiced Magnetism, which is I think something quite different than Magentopathy? Magnetism, which is the healing with the hands, the Magnetic field around the human body; which they call here - Magnetiseren -. When there is a leakage, it is said that One with this healing power can stroke with the hand palms, over the leakage and close it. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1282 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Edward, Thanks, I'll keep looking Regards Scott | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2007 |
Magnetopathy is an antiquated word used in the 1800s and early 1900s for what we now refer to as magnet therapy - much like how the word "mesmerism" was later replaced by "hypnotism". This explains why you won't see too much reference to it today. The book, "Your Electro-Vibratory Body," by Victor Beasley, has a lot of information that seems to establish the acute sensitivity of biological systems, including humans, to the presence of magnetic fields. The influence extends as far as human behavior being influenced by geomagnetic forcefields. Bob | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 851 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... Did a memory check.....and..... Magnetism can also be related to usage of Magnets. The Switzerland born, Franz Anton Mesmer, also known for his - Mesmerizing/ Hypnotizing(founder) - came up with the idea of utilizing Magnets to heal, if a body was indeed unbalanced or showed leakages within the Magnetic-field (aura related), surrounding a human being. So, he did utilize Magnets, and even was convinced that he could function as a Magnetizer/Magnetiseur...in healing patients. So, he utilized Magnets and his own hands...from time to time when needed. So, the word Magnetopathy...may be a modern day definition of all that is related to Magnetism: it be, with Magnets or even with the utilization of One's Hand palms. Unless, Émile Magnin, perfected the technique or something and modernized the word to: Magnetopathy? Can not find much about him either in my library. I did come across a woman on the net, and she had a Spiritual web site, and she was a healer or something and Spiritual adviser and did unitize - Magnetopathy! As usual, I forgot to bookmark her site! Could have emailed her for more information concerning Magnetopathy, not? Will see if I can find her web site once again. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1283 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Bob and Edward, Again, thanks for the information...I wonder what type of magnets were used and how the were used. I know the rare earth magnets are very strong, and possibly could be applied the 'wrong' way which might effect the psyche/nervous system in a negative fashion...but I really don't know for sure.. Salome Scott | ||
Brian Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello I was playing around with some large speaker magnets for quite awhile and i did notice that my hands started to feel strange. I did think at the time that it was because of the magnets,and i remember thinking that mabey my hands were becomeing magnetized. Salome |
