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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1014 Registered: 12-1999 |
Norm, Are you talking about a 3rd Creation aside from ours (DERN) and the DAL? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1061 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, Yes. My Website | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 03-2003 |
I say let's call it the Darn Universe.  | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thats cool. But, does it take the Plejaren's a great deal of work to find a new universe? I mean if they can move to any place with no time lost, then moving to the next absolutum would be easy for them. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Mohammed you wrote: My objection towards this scenario comes from the point that a neighboring universe will be very far away, that a material DAL to matrial DERN will be spaced apart by a value equal to 2 x ( 1.4 x 10^7 plus 1.4 x 10^64 plus 1 x 10 ^55 ) light years ! Besides universes are closed self contained systems and no tunneling between them are likely to happen, because if possible then you have 10^49 universes tunneled to each other ! In contact 31 pages 286-293, taken from Stevens --- there is a description of where the DAL universe is --> "At the end of the universe, there is a doorway to another universe known as the DAL Universe with a long tunnel that measures 77 kilometres wide and 1.3 million km long." My only other comment is that in Contact report 320, Billy is chatting to Ptaah, and asks him how Quetzal is going with his research into enabling one to advance into another universe (a foreign one). Billy mentioned that Quetzal had said in 1987 that he expected it would take another 15 yrs to develop the technology - and he also mentioned Quetzal working on a transmitter gate (my translation of this, which could be not exactly correct) - by which Billy could visit Semjase. Ptaah answered that it would be ready to use in 6 or 7 months, and that Ptaah would be assigned by the High Council and the Erran spirit leaders, to be the first to use this. There may be more about this further on --- if i get to it will comment. Robjn | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi  I think that the Billy\Plejarans teachings can be prooved in exercising of logic thinking. Christian religion teach that after death of human body there are available alternatives for human spirit: heaven or hell. Hell means eternal censure. This is illogical. Each human being is the part of the Creation and connected with her. Punishment on the human spirit by the Creation means that the Creation punish herself, so the conclusion is clear... Best Artie | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 753 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Artie.... Very perceptive of you! And I fully agree. Within the concepts of Creation, there is indeed NO such thing as 'Punishment'. Punishment, is a - Figure Of Imagination -, if you will, within the erroneous thinking process of MAN....linked in most cases to his Religion. Within Creation, we speak of Consequence: Cause and Effect. And through the mentioned processing, will lead to further Knowledge and Insight, for One to become KNOWING. And through becoming KNOWING, One will Consciously lead a much more Conscious path..., and within the concepts of Logic. 'Trail and Error' is the path for human beings, to become KNOWING: thus learning The Way Of Creation, if you will. And so the Human....incarnates - to Learn and to Dis-learn -....and to Perfect him/herself, as intended....by Creation. Edward. | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Edward Thank You Let me share with You and other Forum Members/Readers with my another consideration concerning Creation. I would like to focus on one simply example of self-manifestation of the Creation which is very interesting, because can be explained in both ways: literal and symbolical. In the standard model of planetary system there is central sun and orbiting planets with their moons. If we take central sun as Creation in literal meaning Creation will be gravity, the force which holds planetary system in oneness and stability. In symbolical way central sun represents Creation as the spiritual force uniting entire Universe, so Creation can be seen in construcion of a standard model of planetary system. Regards Artie | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 757 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Artie.... Very well, explained... Reminds me much of the way the Mayans and Incas, and others, idolized their - SUN God -, if you will. For them, the SUN was/is indeed, as your comparison. Excellent said.... Edward. | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Edward Thank You again A couple of my last considerations: "Do not close the God into the cage of the religion because You make double fault. He is not a person. The religion is not the way to understand his real nature" "Life is an interactive relation with the Creation" "Love is not only a feeling, which is so hard to define by our terrestial philosophers. Many of us think if it even really exists. Be sure that exists and surround You all time and this is the best logic choice in Your life" "Human Spirit is like a software in a computer. Computer is useless without software. If You improve Your spiritual development is like computer is running on better software. Human Spirit can influence on body, best software is unable to improve computer, small difference" Cheers Artie | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi In my last considerations I have realized that Laws and Commandments of the Creation were made not to put restrictions to our life but to help to place us on path of real progress. Creation do not interfere in our personal and social life, free will of choices is the basic law. Creation is the Creation, is the Master of the environment for our evolutional process where absolute love is showed in friendly conditions of our planet, functionality of our bodies, abilities of our spirits connected with beauty, practicality and logic. Where the genius of engineering can be see everywhere. We can say that the Force who created us, material reality and beyonds is our natural, best Friend, so... Best Artie | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hey does any one know what Billy says about Spatial Dimensions. Dyson, is there a translated page on the web concerning this? Thanks | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 03-2004 |
What do you want to know exactly Simon? There is a lot of info scattered throughout the earlier contacts in bits and pieces. | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 07-2006 |
Thomas, I wanted to know what the Plejarens have said about Spatial dimensions. Is the string theory correct? That is what I wanted to know. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2007 |
Simon, I know this is probably not what you're looking for, but it's one of my favorites. It's from Semjase's Intoduction to the Spiritual Teachings, Contact 10: 15. The inner dimensions of the human are endless. 16. The image of Creation, the spirit within him-the existence that is without dimension-it bears all dimensions within itself and, at the same time, transcends all dimensions. And I think this is pretty cool too... 87. The entire universe which he sees is but one of many rooms and must be counted as myriads, because there are universes within universes, universes beyond universes, universes under universes, universes above universes and universes out of the universes within this ur-mighty, colossal and all-creative spiritual intelligence of the Creation's existence. Regards Bob | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 03-2004 |
As far as I have read, they never addressed string theory by name, but according to all of the specific info I HAVE read from them, string theory doesn't seem to mesh at all with what they have described. I can only tell you based on the info I have personally read from FIGU, but that is alot... | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2007 |
I think string theory is only a mathematical aid to understand scientific measurements we have about cosmological environment, it's nothing similar to spiritual or universal dimensions. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.GETPERFECTBODY.COM | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2006 |
question for edward - in a previous post you were saying about the following.. "Punishment, is a - Figure Of Imagination -, if you will, within the erroneous thinking process of MAN....linked in most cases to his Religion. " etc.. I would indeed usually tend to go along with this line of thinking.. nonetheless - I once read a rather absorbing Rosicrucian text that outlinted the existence of a purgatory if you will but ONLY in the sense that the spirit form to all intents and purposes purges itself of negative attributes/characteristics it may have developed during the course of a life..and thus is continually learning, even in the afterworld.. for example if it had been the case that the spirit form had held the life of drunken alcoholic - therefore in the spirit world it might naturally be drawn to places where that kind of thing is going on..ie bars, clubs etc in order to further feed the sickly addiction that it still may have to a certain extent. However because of not having any corporeal form as such - it would thus be impossible to gratify this impulse - and so in a nutshell - it would be a somewhat painful, tormenting - & even hellish time for the spirit form, yet nevertheless constructive and ultimately very beneficial.. thus from that point of view - a kind of purging if you will.. In relation to these ideas/possibilities....was wondering has Billy ever gone into the more detail about what the spirit form gets up to when it is in the energy band that circles the planet. I mean is it just waiting around there for the next incarnation or is it free to fly about the planet - and perhaps get itself involved in such 'purgations' (that being corrections and improvements to its negative behaviour patterns/tendecies, less than beneficial inclinations etc) do ya reckon that these rosicrucian ideas might indeed gel with billys teachings or would they instead clash? saalome gib | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1210 Registered: 12-1999 |
Let's get back to the topic heading | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Gib, I've re-posted your post #18 to the "The Spirit, Spirit Forms and the Psyche" section of the forum under "The Spiritual teachings" and put some comments there. This section is for The Creation. Thanks, cpl | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thomas... Will go further here, OK. Seeing we are speaking of Creation and it's Mechanism, in general. Well, that would apply with me, also! From the things I have READ. When the New Spirit-forms are generated, they are 'lend a hand' by Creation. They are still - Ignorant(or even Dumb: No fully working Consciousness, yet; (full) Consciousness still has to be generated/created, within the Spirit) - and Creation will apply it's needed guidance or help(it's energy sources... etc.), if you will, as it was mentioned. If you read what Jacob, has translated concerning this: it was mentioned. And I even read such...in Billy's words; or else, I would not have mentioned it. Of course, as you mentioned: It merely has set down its rules/laws at the beginning and those laws remain in action automatically...etc..etc. Which Speaks For Itself. Of course, Creation does not intervene, Directly! But for the mentioned Newly/ Younger Spirit-forms, it can. Till it has evolved, or is 'Conscious' enough to proceed, further by itself; just as the Elderly Spirit-forms do. Just like a new born Baby, which needs a Lending Hand, and has to be guided (mother, or both) until it reaches a suitable age(Consciousness/Intelligence), and is Conscious enough to Evolve and Progress and Proceed, further by it's own. Which seems Logical, enough; I would say. Thus, We must make Clear 'distinction', here, between the Younger and Elderly Spirit-forms, Thomas. The - rules/laws - do, apply to every/all Spirit-forms, of course, BUT....the Manner of it's Utilization, can differ(for a time period, so to speak). WE as Spirit-forms are all 'unique', but..we all Progress Differently. Some need Coaching, and some less, or even, do not. Just depends on how Perceptive the Spirit-form itself, manifests. Creation may let us - Play In The Mud -, but Creation will not let us - Drown In The Mud!...so to speak. Thus: Creation may Assist, in order for 'Order' to manifest itself. So, as far as I am concerned: there is NO misunderstanding, here. Only the facts as I have read and gathered them; and the Logic, of it. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Cpl (Spiritual evolution does not have a goal. The goal of spirit is to continually evolve. Therefore it never ends, and if you think about it you would never want it to end. Spirit is the true immortality.) I know this sounds ambiguous but how and why did everything begin. When i say everything i mean the very first creation(if there is any such thing as that)? What does this all mean and what is the true reality?? Salome ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Sirashwin, If one does not know everything had a beginning how can one ask "how and why did everything begin?"? The question is made under the assumption everything had a beginning, and that is not known or knowable. People tend to assume a beginning because they as a person and physical thinking/feeling human had a beginning -- with their birth. This tendency, sentiment, thinking, or feeling, if extrapolated to where it does not belong -- to the realms of eternal progression -- causes confusion or misunderstanding. It is a hypothetical assumption to project a concept of "the very first Creation". Such just cannot be said to exist, because it is an absolute unknown. Think of it in terms of math or numbers. What came before 1? -1? and before that, and on and on? There is no end. Where does counting end? Infinity? But you can never get there. It is the nature of numbers to go on forever. They just go on and on as long as there is a mind to conceive of, and make, numbers. So it appears to be with Creation, going on and on, forward and back, as long as there is a Creation to birth existence -- and it seems that has always been (through other Creations and the Absolute Absolutum, as Billy puts it, and times of Creational sleep). Because there is existence there cannot be non-existence. Existence could not have come from non-existence or a plenum nothing, so there must always have been existence or energy of some kind. Similarly existence can never become a plenum non-existence. It may change totally and be reduced to obscure forms of energy, or perhaps even latent energy, but there will always be something because there is something now. It is reasonable to assume therefore that there has always been something and a Creation for birthing it. If one argues "but people cease to exist so something there became nothing" it is not correct. Everything the person was and experienced is decoded or recoded and if not encoded into the spirit as worthwhile experience or evolution is encoded or remembered in other memory-bank levels of reality. Nothing that was something ever becomes nothing. Even if it is but a most distant memory it is something and could be called forth again in attention and focus. And the personality did not arise from nothing. It had its birth in genetic strings of information and encoded data passed on from the parents which developed in the human as it experienced life and used its stored or spirit nudges, ideas, inspirations, encoded data streams leading the human to evolve into the person-ality which is forever evolving to a lesser or greater degree throughout its life. It depends what you mean by, "...what is the true reality?" Many people that ask this question are looking for an experience of where all becomes One, wherein they can experience the Oneness or Totality of existence. Perhaps this is what you are looking for or mean. If so enjoy your journey and exploration. I, and many others, have experienced this, and a great many good thinking and feeling people who listen to the spirit/soul's nudges can and will, too. That topic does not seem to belong here, however. If you want to discuss more about this you can email me at gbcyd@yahoo.com. More generally, reality is what is experienced as completely real -- on an experiential level. Other than that, I hope it doesn't sound simplistic or evasive, but the physical reality is the true physical reality, the inner psyche reality with its many levels is the psyche reality, and the spirit reality with its levels, is the true spirit reality. All of these realities exist within the human and they can therefore interact, from a negligible to a considerable degree, depending on the person, situation, and the reality under discussion. It pays though, to be clear about which level one is talking about or discussing in order not to cause the oh-so-common confusion that otherwise results. There are many levels of reality and we have only really just begun to understand a few of them. We will be growing in understanding of them forever, just as Creation is through all of our experiences. Best, cpl} |
