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The_original_dave
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 04:50 pm: | 
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incredible, i think that the half spiritual/half material beings would also need some type of ship to travel.
for example, remember that light/energy ship that visited the center without informing billy of there visit before arriving. those beings in the energy ship /i guess could be called/ were a group of adromedans. so i guess half spiritual/material beings do need a ship to travel through the universe even if it is a energy ship /i don't know what to call it/. |
Sirashwin
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
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I think this is the picture of what Dave was saying
Salome
ashwin |
Jacob
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Post Number: 499
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 02:11 pm: |
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If I am not mistaken are the Horalft, which is the High Counsel, capable of spiritual teleportation, which means that they are capable of using their spirit powers to teleport themselves to any location in the Universe, this in zero-time, even in to the DAL universe which is parallel aligned to this Universe, the DERN universe.
The dwarf race is lower developed then the High Counsel, but much higher then the Plejarens, they are capable of bundling their spiritual and consciousness related powers to create an energetic ship to carry them anywhere in the Universe.
There is also a possibility for teleportation with consciousness related forces, but as far as I know are these forces have the following limitations:
1. Lightspeed maximum
2. The maximum range is 3 lightseconds
3. Requires a very highly developed consciousness to use in a conscious way.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Adityasonakia
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 01:48 am: |
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Dear Ashwin and Jacob,
What is that ship??
Salome
Aditya |
Melli
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Post Number: 305
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 06:45 am: |
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Dear Jacob, so happy you could drop by...
You must have heard my questions and wishes from across the oceans because here you are again at last. And while we are lucky and grateful that you are here with us for now, if I may I have this nagging question and have been wanting to ask this for a long time now, it's about the 12 Affirmations as given by Billy:
I know that these are self explanatory but at the same time I am having some difficulties recognizing the true meaning in some of them.
For example Affirmations number 4, 6, 7, 8, I can relate to and identify with although not completely. Affirmation number 4- is a powerful statement encompassing the whole material consciousness if and when it is practiced with spiritual truth in order to arrive at a better and more peaceful self.
For me these are very closely related to my conscious awareness in my everyday life and truly help me be who I want to be. In fact I also like to repeat a self created affirmation simply stating that "my thinking is Neutral Positive in my consciousness and sub-consciousness and my psyche is balanced" (in German of course) and when a negative thought tries to muscle in I quickly grab hold of this affirmation and I change my thinking. I can honestly say that this has already had a positive effect on my material thinking and everyday I sense an urge to continue. I know that the road to the stars is still very very long but none the less I feel that I have achieved a progress which is personally fantastically encouraging so when I miss a day I feel dissatisfied because there is something missing in my life?...
Affirmation number 1- I am not sure what I should feel and imagine as being 'a shining example of Creation'?
Affirmation number 2- resonates in me and I feel that I am here as a part of this Creation to further myself spiritually and evolve within this evolution in a vast creation's consciousness.
Hector, explained the meaning of the word Wahrheitlich to me which really made good sense, while at the same time I feel that some Affirmations can only ring true and feel authentic when ONE has the experience that relates to that specific affirmation, which of course is not easy because we can not experience everything we want to learn from cause and effect in a short time. I had this nagging feeling that I need clarifications to these affirmations and how they can relate to my daily material consciousness and thus affect the sub-consciousness.
I feel that I also need to understand the relationship with the Psyche.
I hope I made myself clear enough and I don't want to explain too much more of what I think because this post would be too long but I am sure you know what I am searching for.
Thank you for your wisdom, Salome Bianca |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:53 am: |
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(Please note, this is a continuation of a string begun under The Planet Earth>>The Environment)
Ashwin: “Well if all humans would inevitably get their psyche damaged if they damage other humans; then i was wondering the case of doctors who by accident loose their patients. Would the doctor's psyche be affected too?”
That is an example of a counterfactual hypothetical syllogism. You are asking the wrong question because it is framed around a “logical fallacy”.
My comment about the impact on the psyche was in reference to one human killing another human in depravity as opposed to a human killing an insect in depravity. That is a much different situation than a doctor trying to help a patient and the patient doesn’t recover. The comment from, “Die Art zu Leben” was in reference to the co-dependency of man’s evolution. You combined the two comments in a non-linear syllogism.
Regards
Bob |
Sirashwin
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:56 am: |
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Dear Bob
You caught me red handed there  . Logic finally triumphs.
But to continue the discussion; i remember reading somewhere that Billy said that death of another person, be it killed in depravity or by accident, does have an effect to most others psyche. Is this info right or wrong?
Thanking You
ashwin |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 502
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 02:16 pm: |
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Sirashwin,
That is correct, killing someone, anyone causes a 'negative' ripple effect in the collective subconsciousness which affects other peoples psyche in a negative way.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Edward
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Post Number: 915
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:02 pm: |
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Hi Sirashwin....
I also do remember Billy mentioning - Killing: it be done, Consciously or
Unconsciously - will ALWAYS be in One's (the doer) Conscience. Thus. it would
indeed Effect the Executer/Doer as well as anyone related to the deceased
individual; loved ones: family, friends....etc.
Edward. |
Sirashwin
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 05:32 am: |
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So that means say being a surgeon is a very psyche hazardous job! |
The_original_dave
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 10:35 am: |
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sirashwin, ''So that means say being a surgeon is a very psyche hazardous job!''
nah. i think that only happens when you kill someone not when they die on you. yeah the surgeon will feel bad cause he lost a patient but it's not his fault. he was only trying to help that person.
i doubt that has any affect on you. |
Incredible
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 12:09 pm: |
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I don't think that killing an enemy is bad for me.
In my opinion killing is a natural behavior of all animals in the nature, and the humans are not over that natural law.
The government and religion with their anti-natural laws castrate the society to clean by itself.
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Edward
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Post Number: 917
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 03:27 am: |
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Hi Siraswhin....
I would not think so.
In many cases the surgeon does help a majority of people, but it can happen
that circumstance could be above his own talents, and it is not in his power,
so to speak, to help an individual. And this, is more or less, what Man can
define as - an Occupational Hazard -, so to speak. And what I have seen from
documentaries, the surgeon(s) do know how to cope with it. But still, it WILL
effect him/her! Even though, he/she might try and 'shake it off' him/
her-self.
We are human beings with - Emotions -, and this will always play part in our
existence. Even if One is the biggest Macho or Macha: they too, can not flee
from (their personal) Emotions. Whether they like it or not: the event will
Always....project itself through/to the Psyche (etc.).
Edward. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 400
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:15 am: |
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"INCREDIBLY" shortsighted...killing is only valid for reasons of defense of self or others. Laws that are against murder are not castrating society but sustaining it. Any killing for reason other than defense is murder. Period. Think about it before you speak Mr incredible lest you once again make the same mistake that I myself have made. That being speaking before thinking. |
Incredible
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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For me, to kill degenerate people is a natural law.
That is like the immunity system.
If you want a secure and peaceful society you, must eliminate the troublemaking peoples.
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Cpl
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Post Number: 316
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:50 pm: |
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Killing doesn't remove the problem, Incredible.
It is a commonly held illusion of people on this planet that killing rids one of the problem. It doesn't. Instead it greatly exacerbates the entire problem. Things progressively worsen as long as the killing continues. How?
The extreme "troublemaker" needs to, absolutely must -- and eventually will -- learn from his/her errors. The only way one can learn these is to live and learn. The problems cannot be learned when dead. Of course, the safety of the public is of paramount importance and so dangerously degenerate people may need to be kept away from others -- for their entire life if necessary -- until they have learned. We can assist these people as much as we can to learn the lessons while they are alive, but we also can do nothing for them once they are dead. Obviously, it basically is up to them to learn their own lessons, which might take a number of lifetimes, but they cannot do this when dead for there is no brain to think nor mind or heart to feel.
Killing them, then, means they do not and cannot learn. We would rob them of that chance -- a chance they must have, and at some time in their evolution, take to their advantage and advancement. Killing them, their spirit/soul will come back (reincarnate) and they have to learn those lessons without the benefit of conscious memory or hindsight; that's a whole lot more difficult for them to do and for us to assist. In fact they are more likely to make mistakes again compounding the degeneracy, because the only hindsight is the nudging, and inspirations from spirit that they have not developed and which (if they have been killed) they have not been given the opportunity to respond to through the necessary self-reflection.
Killing then, is just programming a more dangerous and risky future than the one we already have in the present. They are coming back to learn what must be learned and they will know less than when they were killed. That's a very dangerous situation to create. And it is done when a criminal is killed. Of course, if it is done in self defense and so unavoidable, there is nothing that can be done and the unfortunate situation will occur. It is, therefore, far better to keep these people under observation at all times offering assistance as/if it can help while they learn themselves, through persistent reflection, on what they have done.
Killing just exacerbates the situation, rather like saying, "Because I'm in debt I'm going to get a new loan to pay off my debt." Then, due to a bad credit rating, one is stuck with a loan at even higher interest to pay off than the first loan. The problem is merely exacerbated.
There is never any time better than the present for solving problems, and only the problem maker can solve these types. Where you are correct is that the public must be safeguarded; and that is precisely why such people should not be killed. If killed, the public merely face a greater menace when they return: They'll be back.
IMO it is likely to be the scientific discovery of the spirit/soul and its purpose and how it fulfills its function of evolving that will reveal in clear unequivocal terms to mankind how killing is merely exacerbating mankind's problems. It is IMO highly likely to be this scientific discovery and realization rather than any moralizing that will lead to the transformation of this planet to one in which killing becomes anathema for its populace; and it's coming this century IMO.
Best,
cpl |
Thomas
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Post Number: 401
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 12:15 am: |
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Your very words, Incredible, indicate that YOU are a troublemaker if you think that you have the right to kill anyone for any reason other than self defense. Should you kill yourself then?!? No, I don't think so. |
Hector
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Post Number: 325
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 05:12 am: |
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There is no need to kill anybody if there are other fair and creational tools at your disposal like to send all the degenerates into exile.
My advice, incredible, is that you relate the concept of an early death to the concept of "waste".Human, animal, plant lives cannot be wasted, be them degenerate or not.
The degeneracy, incredible, must be corrected, polished, aborted, matched in this present life.If you kill the degenerates, you are displacing their problem (your problem, and our problem as a human community too) roughly 182 years into the future.
That is not too clever, my friend. |
Sirashwin
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Post Number: 139
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 10:35 am: |
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Dear Cpl and Hector
Not that i support killing.....i am also against the death sentence. But as i have understood it, after one dies the personality gets dissolved and neutralised; and when the spirit incarnates again in a new body after many years, the material conciousness starts from scratch. Thus a brand new personality is created, having no connections with the previous personalities.
Please do correct my inference.
Thanking You
ashwin |
Scott
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Post Number: 1330
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 11:49 am: |
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Hi Hector,
Where did the "roughly 182 years into the future" come from? I was under the impression, at best the maximum time a spirt would reside in the fine matter world with a normal population is approx. 152 years.
Scott |
Hector
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Post Number: 326
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 12:00 pm: |
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Yes i meant 152 years, had not the correct number in mind, but anyway from my perspective the stay in the beyond cannot be estimated in a precise way.The factor in this case was 1.52x years lived, if i recall correctly.
And i think those 152 years are an estimate for all those who could live a 100-year complete life.If you are killed or suffer an accident, I suppose that estimation of 152 years drops significantly.
But i still havent read "Wiedergeburt, Leben,sterben,Tod und Trauer", which is the book that adresses all these matters. (I will read it in the near future in order to clarify).Regards, |
Incredible
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 08:05 pm: |
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Thomas said: Your very words, Incredible, indicate that YOU are a troublemaker if you think that you have the right to kill anyone for any reason other than self defense. Should you kill yourself then?!? No, I don't think so.
I'm one of the most pacific man on this planet, so lover of the peace and tranquility that I'm capable of kill to reach the peace, harmony, tranquility and security in my life and in the community where I live.
We, the people that want to live in peace, harmony, security and tranquility, have the right to kill all those peoples that steal our right to live in peace, harmony, security and tranquility.
I love the peace, the harmony and I love to live in a harmonious community free of criminals.
A guy that think like me is a troublemaker?
I don't think so!
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Cpl
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Post Number: 317
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 01:30 am: |
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Dear ashwin.
You are quite right. The personality is dead and does not come back. It is not the person that is important here; it is the lessons needed to be learned that come back as frequencies within a new person so the spirit/soul can evolve on beyond them.
The person was actually never the problem in the first place, and that is why it is less than pointless to kill him/her; it was the lessons that the person needed to learn that were the problem. People, or a person, can never be nailed down as this or that. They are forever evolving; from second to second they are not the same as before.
Best,
Cpl |
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