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    Jplagasse Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi PH, You got me thinking... IF Geomagnetic energy reductions trigger or produce an increase in telepathy etc., then at least some astronauts travelling to the moon, or in space, might experience some sort of effect(s) in this regard?? Just a thought/idea... which might be interesting to test or watch for. Does anyone know if "psychic experiments" have been conducted in space? Regards, JP | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi JP.... What I can remember was from some decades back, that if based on Truth, the US and Russia did do all sorts of Psychic experiments during their space trips. Mostly in Telepathic forms. And there seemed to have been very positive results. On both sides. I can not remember any details. Edward. | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi Edward, "IF" based on truth... (as you say...) The Plejarens & any other space travelling races would have a vastly different outlook on things than we earthbound earth-worms !!  For whatever this is worth... At the local space science center, they had a real authentic moon rock on display in a glass case quite a few years back. Trying not to look too suspicious... i did "psychometry" on it & got some really "wild information" from this... I cannot possibly convey this, but to try? We live in a "psychic soup" on earth. In space, there is a lack of this... and the "clean-ness" and isolation is a predominant feeling. One clue, is that one of the astronauts stated that being in space was like being "next to god"... Perhaps an indication of all this? Could mean nothing also... like you said... "IF". Just a few thoughts, again, for whatever these are worth. It would be most interesting to find out what types of results "they" got from the psychic experiments done during the space trips. Perhaps a question to Billy on this topic would be most revealing... Regards, JP | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi JP..Good Friend.... Yes, I can remember the mentioned line of how the astronaut expressed himself while in space. I did do some Web-searching but came out with Nothing much to my surprise! The only one that something to say was our dear friend The Great Randi. If you like to read what he has to say you can just visit his site?(IF...you Dare.... ...) And there just some short Contradictions. But it seems that the US astronaut Quoted himself doing the Telepathic tests before entering earth. And there seems to be a book out that has more details of this event. As concerning the Russians, as usual...they never did release much of their (space) projects...alas. That would be a great idea to ask Billy. Than we'll know for sure. Edward. | ||
Zarathustra New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hello all, I'm a new member making my first post, primarily to find some answers to questions I can not pose to most people, and there are alot of them to get through. Regarding telepathy, I've had about a dozen instances of my thoughts being sent to other people around me, as well as some sort of 'signs' when I close my eyes. Regarding the verbal-telepathy it all started when I was at university smoking much Marijuana around my flatmates. Turned out they could hear me thinking. Of course this scared the crap out of me so I did a runner and went home asap. Anyhow here are some instances, not in chronological order. Once instance I was sitting in my room stoned, will my flatmates room adjacent to mine. I was reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche and had the feeling that I was annoying my flatmate in the room next to mine. So to test my theory I said something like 'Bang the wall if you hear my'. Then the sequence went: thought, bang, thought, bang, thought, bang and so on till I eventually went for a long walk round the city. 2. Watching tv with another flatmate (also a stoner) I tried to hold a telepathic conversation with him. nb it appeared the I was the only person doing the talking so all conversations very one-sided. He began typing words into his mobile phone after I thought a word, where the pattern of the input matched the letters of the word I thought eg. I think 'Cat'. his reaction would be 1. button 2 tap tap tap for a C 2. button 2 tap for an A 3. button 8 tap for a T and so on. I also asked him to stare at the glass on the table to try and crack it (I was imaginitive) and presto he stares at the glass. I should mention that I never spoke to my flatmates about thiS. 3. Couple months later I'm at home completely stoned when I have a paranoia attack (ok ok I'm a dipshit sometimes and make mistakes repeatedly ;) ) when I mention my name. Next day on the bus into town two blokes walk on the the bus and site beside me and start talking. My name comes up! Argh what the hell is going on?! I think. Not sure if that's any use to people but what the hell. Regarding the symbolic telepathy I've had vivid images of a heart in my eyesight (again under the influence) coloured green, varying in size and intensity. A few months later a yinyang appearred when under the influence, occasionally with 8 dots surrounding it and rotating somewhat. Anyone know of anything like this? Oh and I had a scary experience a few days ago when trying to go to sleep with the outlin of a man/woman infront of me, couldn't make out any features but, as I said the outline of a head, ears, neck and shoulders. At the same time i felt a sharp movement of energy under my bellybutton if that means anything to anyone. When that last instance occurred I was sober (not stoned/munted) which as far as i remember is unusual. I'll post more if anyone cares to ask. It's nearly 2am and I'm a tad tired. ps, where is the ask billy questions forum? I'd like to debate a point about chakras with him. Hello Zarathustra, Please understand that FIGU does not condone the use of any drugs or substances whatsoever. Also bear in mind that in many countries the use of Marijuana is illegal and there are penalties for its use etc. I will let your post stand because you are new to the forum, but I think it wise that any further mention of your personal habits be kept either to yourself or discussed outside of this forum. Thank you Moderator. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi zarathustra i hope you are doing fine 1-about the colorful images you have seen. . . it is common that people that use certain drugs (especially LSD, mushrooms, etc but also marijuana) see this kind of patterns, they are very similar to "mandalas" or also to "fractals" and other geometric and very beautiful patterns also shamans, yogis and other persons under a "trance" see this kind of things (for example here in México there is a tribe called the Huicholes who use Peyote in their ceremonies and make very beautiful drawings and embroideries of their experiences) here is "cosmic turtle" and the back of a jaguar mask   2- while using some drugs (especially those that alter the perception and the consciousness) many unusual effects and "powers" appear, for example some persons can see at night like if it was day (night vision), some persons can see things that are very far (like if they had binoculars or telescopes), of they can "visit" very remote places while in the trip, and see what is happening there (some persons have made experiments with this, and persons that were in those places physically have corroborated that all the details of the descriptions are real) all those "powers" do not come from the drugs, but are just a little part of our capabilities as human beings (telepathy too), it is not recommended to use these or any other kind of drugs ´cause they can damage the body and the mind and cause confusion (it is also a well known fact that even many years after using the drugs persons can have "flashbacks" anywhere (for example while walking in the street) the results with this drugs depend a lot on the person, a healthy well balanced person sees very beautiful things, while persons with some kind of problem or with some supressed trauma have to face his/her most terrible fears) (some indian shamans use the drugs in this way to "cure" a person or to decide who can they teach or dont) 3-according to the plejarens the chakras and the kundalini do not exist (at least not in the way many charlatans speak of them) 4- you can ask Billy in the section called "your questions to billy meier- answered", once you enter the forum do a click in "the mission" then in "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier i hope this helps take care (and do not smoke too much if you dont want to have scary hallucinations and other effects that confuse you) | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello zarathustra, i would like to share something with you that i have come to realize from careful observation of myself (when i am clear headed, and when i am stoned)... regarding telepathy and the like, that is: first, i do not know how much you understand about your own mind, but seeing as how you want to argue a point about a chakra, i figure you just really want an answer and settle for something such as chakras. my own experiences in "chakra development" or whatever has been much much less then fruitiful. it is a good way to make you go crazy. back to the point... in my understanding of my own body and mind, i see that when i sleep and when i meditate, those to realities/states of mind show themselves to be very alike. im sure you've heard all the stuff about r.e.m. alpha sleep etc. i dont remember what it's all called, but bottom line, (in those two states meditation and sleep) you are changing your "frequency" if you want to call it like that. as you may or may not know, "changing frequency" is needed to penetrate other dimensions of space and time, from what i understand anyway. imeedietly after i wake up, i will get images, spelled out words etc. shown in plain view for a moment, depending on how long the images go for. now, take note that marijuana makes you a fair bit relaxed. when i smoke marijuana, i will experience what i experience when i wake up, but while marijuana can keep you in that state for an hour or two lets say, it is not so when i wake up (without marijuna infuencing me). because as i wake my frequenies adjust to the reality i am in, and there replaces the more subconcious flow of thought, to a more concious waking reality, you know what i mean? you sound like a fairly evolved person in spirit, there are signs to see this. the more that time goes by, perhaps a couple months or perhaps a year... you will see that you dont even have to concentrate on certain things. some "images" will just flood your headspace. i would think that you also have quite meaningful dreams, wether you interpret them or just let them be. i suggest you pay attention to your dreams, all possible details. after i had started paying attention to my dreams i realized these were not dreams hope this helps you some. just one thing i wan to add. if a human is multi dimensional, what does that really mean to you? is it one person in many realities, or is it many realities in one person? is it one person living 1 life, or 1 person living 5? do you know anything about splitting conciousness, say for instance... singing two different songs in your head at one time? i look foreward to your reply | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2004 |
Nice to meet you Zarathustra, I have recently experienced modes of telepathy with my new friend. It isn't exactly like yours but it is like this... At my work or anywhere for that matter my friend and I can pick up each others thoughts, not exact like c.a.t. as you did, but I can sense when he is thinking about me. I'm sure if i followed my imagination (with the proper development which can be a powerful tool) I could narrow down the messages either through a strong sense of knowing or through vision symbols which I have done in the past. For example the other day my friend evidently sent me a message at 1:00 in the morning with out prior knowledge of the fact he wanted to remind me to do a task while testing the nature of telepathy. The next day we were talking about interesting stuff as usual and I brought up an idea that i had late last night about something we should be working on. This something happened to be the same thing he conciously sent me, still carrying the same purpose intent with it. We were both very impressed with our mental connections. Also, we work inside truck trailors and i can sense everytime anyone is either thinking about me or will come near me.. so i am forwarned kinda. I gave up the pot a little while ago, it seemed to just slow me down anyway so i'm not too sure it's the pot that carries this effect. I would like to recommend that you read some of Billy's translated booklets which are available through the FIGU store. Especially "AN IMPORTANT WORD CONCERNING CULT FORCESS AND MEDITATION" I read this and I found out that alot of things we see at night are simply figments of our in many cases "untrained imaginations". Although, this is not always the case with such things like symbols and shapes which I HAPPEN TO SEE which apear like multi-dimentional thread-like spiritual symbols. Which if they are the same thing Billy Meier speaks of, then there is a book called "Spritual Symbols" which depict about 300 out of millions to decipher. However, this in German. I would just like to say that your not alone when it comes to seeing things and especially telepathy. I don't think that you can debate Billy but you can post questions as I recently did, just click on The Mission then Billy Eduard Albert Meier then Questions Answered by Billy. You can only post once a month because of the vastness of work carried out by both Billy and the F.I.G.U. staff. Truly, I really wouldn't know because I'm just a researcher but Welcome to the forum! Salome, Tim James | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 509 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... From my own experience, from the past; I would recommend practicing using The Zener ESP Cards. The more cards One "Guesses"...so to speak, the more One is Truly Destine to KNOW what the cards are. And thus, NO mentioning of the so-called "Coincidence"! Thus, Truly a manifestation of "Basic Telepathy". The more cards One Guesses , the more gifted! So, this does "Enhance" our Small portion of Basic Telepathy possibilities that we humans possesses. The cards did help me in may ways. When it came down to ESP. Edward. | ||
Mtbstephen New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2005 |
GREETINGS TO YOU ALL!!! I'M NEW HERE BUT NOT ONE IN THE DARK. INDEED I DO COME IN CONTACT WITH THE PLEIADIAN RACE. ABOUT TELEPATHY, I HAVN'T HEARD OR READ ONE STORY POSTED THAT ACCURATELY DESCRIBES THE WHOLE PHYSICAL PROSES OF SENDING AND RECIEVING THOUGHTS. THEY JUST SAY THAT THEY HAVE THOUGHTS AND SEE THINGS WHEN THEIR EYES ARE CLOSED. THERE IS A PHYSICAL SENSATION, THAT'S WHAT COMES FIRST. IT'S LIKE DRUM RIFFS WITH ACCENTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRAIN. LEFT=POSITIVE RIGHT=NEGATIVE. I CAN EXPLAIN MUCH MORE, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE MY PRESENCE KNOW WITH EVERYONE. I HAVE MET WITH MARK JULIANO AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND I MUCH NEED TO BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE MISSION.....PLEASE, I AM TRUE TO YOU ALL AND NEED TO HELP IN SPREDDING THE TRUTH TO THE REST OF THE WORLD!! | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2005 |
HELLO TO YOU ALL. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GO TO HELP WITH THE STUDY OF TELEPATHY? ANY LOCAL RESEARCH CENTERS HERE IN SO CAL? I DO POSES THE ABILITY STRONG ENOUGH TO PROVE. I READ THAT IT HAS'T BEEN PROVEN ALTHOUGH MEIER COULD VERY EASILY DO SO. WHY DOESNT HE?/? I CAN AND REALLY WANT TO. I CANT KEEP THIS TO MYSELF ANYMORE.... | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Mtbstephen, Nice to meet you, I'm sure you are joking about being in contact with the "Pleiadian" race, because they the Plejaren (correctly) do not contact citizens of Earth for any reason physical or telepathic, except rare cases, like highly influencial scientists, writers and such. However, these few people that do come in contact with the Plejaren via special devices (not the plejaren) are of a sub-concious form and are not aware of the fact. If you think you are in contact with the "Pleiadians", purchase from the FIGU shop "A Word Concerning Mediatation and the Occult Forces" It'll lay down a foundation and dismiss some assumptions. It describes beautifully what exists, what doesn't and why concerning things like these. Best of all it's only 1-5 US dollars I am not aware of such a telepathy class, I think there was a study at Berkly University several years ago but I could be wrong. The FIGU Shop may have some books in German on this!! Read, the FIGU Mission on the FIGU site and you'll see that by Billy performing public examples of telepathy could create and will create exactly the negative kind of publicity that the Mission does not need. He displayed other abilities, for example teleportation, telekenisis, and heating items till red hot leaving fingerprints in coins. He nearly died from exaustion in the 70's and 80's so I would not expect anymore things like this. I would suggest that telepathy be practiced as a tool, not something for show. Saalome, Tim | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2005 |
i thought i would have support, i really do come in-contact. i AM A RARE CASE. im telling u all, because of my telepathic abilities, they have proven their existence to me and have directed me to Meier. I havnt studied all the writings in full, i really dont want to. I havnt seen my contactees face to face, but they have demonstrated some of their technological abilities for me, and have flown their ship right above my head for me to see and confirm their existence. Im not 100% sure its the pleiadians, it could be another race, but who ever it is, its not from this world. Im only assuming its the pleiadians becasue for a while, thoughts were being sent back and forth and they showed me Meier. I can guarentee all of u, I AM NO JOKE. | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2005 |
since my first posting, i have been recieving mostly negative thoughts, they were actually huting my head. i know most of u dont believe me. Meier isnt the only contactee, he may be the only one to come face to face and meet regularly, but i do communicate with who ever began my experiences at age 5. from what i read here, most of u refer to meier like being our "god." i am definitly not as able as he is with the ability, but it is developing more and more everyday for me. if anyone here were able to use their telepathy, which i know every human is capable of, then i would have read a post explaining exactly how it works. i havnt even read anything from meier that tells any details. obviously no one here poseses this natural ability and thats why u all cant accept that i am not a hoax and thats the main reson for my contacts. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Mtbstephen, the plejarens get themselves in contact with someone only if there is a good reason. What is the "good" reason why the plejarens are getting themselves in contact with you for? phil | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear mtbstephen Hi, see the problem with such claim as you say is true is that often people will regard it with scepticism and condemn it as a lie for which you must surely understand in light of the fact that especially on this forum, people are aware of the truth regarding certain matters for which many people who aren't familiar with FIGU, are ignorant of. Now if it's true, it definitely is incredible and you in your enthusiasm will want to share this news with others, especially to those people who you think may accept it more readily seeing as these type of information is often discussed in in such a forum as this one. But you may find more harsh critics here than you would've anticipated. So when it come down to it people such as myself would want to see some evidence or a sign of your abilities mainly because we know that from what billy had said, he is the only one in this world who has his particular type of contact. I am really not certain what your motives are but you may fall into one of these catagories- 1) your claim is genuine 2) you are a trojan horse with insidious intent to want to make this forum and FIGU look more ridiculous for such obsurd claim will eventually find it's way in the minds of other casual onlooker to this forum. 3) you are crazy schizoid 4) attention seeking perhaps? 5) just doing it for the fun of it, seeing as the broad subject area and the contents, you in your ignorance would find absurd and laughable, why not put in a what to you would be some humourous prank | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2005 |
your absolutely right Newinitiation. so like i said before, the reson why they come in-contact with me falls in line with my telepathic abilities. have u read And Still They Fly? that book says there are a handfull of other contactees only verry few of which are on a PERSONAL level. i definitly consider my some 12+ encounters to be true. my first experience ever when i was 5 years old, they or some alien race made my mother vanish into thin air. i mean physically gone and to top it off, we were in the car driving down montebello blvd. I almost s*** my pants. i tried feeling for her silhouette but to my eye sight and touch, there was no one else in the car, well, no driver for a good 25 sec. the car continued on its path like she was there. i just closed my eyes after the confirmation of her physically not being there and hoped i would get my mother back. again, i was 5 and i now know that was their introduction for me. that is why i consider my contacts to be on a personal level. NOT to mention a magnificent flight demo in my back yard hovering only feet above me in the middle of a beautifull clear day. i was 16 when that happend. since then many other things have happend, i would describe them as "ghost" stories. I have no physical proof, but like i said, if anyone could get the chance to ask Meier about me, he will back me up 100% | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 414 Registered: 01-2004 |
Mtbstephen, I think you exhibit some serious delusions and symptomes of an psychological disorder. Most likely schizophrenia. I think serious psychological counseling or psychiatric help would be of great benefit to you. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear mtbstephen Well stephen, there would be no sad story as yours if in light of the truthfulness of your semi-contact or for that matter some extraordinary event you've experienced, the rejectors are the people who you thought may have been in a more enlightened position to at least ponder and consider your claims, although we must do so with a healthy scepticism. Anyway, to put this situation to rest for your benefit and that of others here on this forum, post a question to billy regarding your experience or your abilities and see what his response is and to find out whether for sure it really isn't your self created delusions. I guess the thing we as a forum member can do in light of at least knowing about what the truth is, is to at least extend our open minds and to give somebody like yourself a chance at least to have your say. We in this forum as you know are made up of people the maintream would consider on the fringe but I don't mean everbody, just by having participated on this forum discussing what to us is the most relevant questions partaining to life, the mainstream don't care to ponder. So having said this although I cannot at present accept your claim as genuine, the work is left for you to prove in some ways. I am sure it's difficult and very frustrating knowing that I also go through it as with other forum members in bringing to light about the truth brought to us by billy and the plejarens because there are no nos we must keep to regarding letting the truth out. I hope it helps in some way, it's a test for you as well, of your sanity, your level of objectivity, your integrity, your honesty and the ground you stand internally in respect to your motives and intentions. I hope there is an element of truth in what you say and that maybe it's how you have interpreted an otherwise a genuine experiences that you have worded with contact with the pleidians that probably got all the antennas and radar alert in this forum not to mention the extraordinary claims. peace be with you | ||
Anthea New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2005 |
Mtbstephen, "When the fox cannot reach the grapes he says they are not ripe." - this is in answer to your complaints and false assumptions in your posts #6 and #7. In addition, You claim you haven't found anything on the subject of telepathy written by Mr. Meier. However, you say quite clearly in your post #6 that you're not really interested in studying his writings. Is it any wonder then that you haven't found anything on the subject? Salome, Anthea | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2005 |
well, i can honestly say that i dont know what i want to do with this whole thing. i know i want to continue developing my abilities and im sure thats what all the contacts were about. I am interested in Meiers writings. i think i said that cought up in the reply i read and wanted to prove a point or sumn...I have every reason to learn as much possible. | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Anthea It has been a long time! Hope everything is fine with you ^_^ Welcome back! Salome Savio | ||
Anthea New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2005 |
Mtbstephen, you have answered your own question about what to do about 'the situation' -- "I have every reason to learn as much as possible" -- This is all you and I or anyone else here on this forum and elsewhere can do in order to develop our consciousness and evolve. It is a personal journey no one else can make for us. Savio! Hi Yes, it has been a long time. Things are good, thank you. Hope you're doing well too.Salome, Anthea | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 337 Registered: 09-2000 |
Wow.... very nice to hear from you again Anthea !! I am most curious what you (& all) have been up to, perhaps for another time !?! Hello all, Regarding the telepathy thing... Among the most important things i learned tinkering with psychism etc. is the importance of VERIFICATION. On one hand, some events i experenced were real in that they verified (for example) when i phoned others for this same purpose etc. On the other hand, my mind was able to conjure up all sorts of stuff to try convincing me of "the stuff" it seemed i wanted to believe in. This would seem more and more "real" the more i let myself indulge into this. I discovered my "mind" can be like a gremlin... and ONLY VERIFICATION of supposed conclusions kept the balance between "real stuff" and "delusion". I also discovered my mind can be REALLY STUPID at times... and would lead me to all sorts of conclusions if i "let it" and wanted it bad enough. I eventually became very skeptical of much of the "stuff" my own mind was telling me and my own feelings. Eventually the "need" for all this dissipated, and now i like to think i'm a tiny bit wiser because of my experiences. Lots of stories here, but perhaps for another time. Please forgive us, Mtbstephen, if some of us on this forum seem skeptical... some of know what our own minds are capable of. To proceed, however, Am most curious, what type(s) of VERIFICATION you might have used to come to your present conclusions? Kindest regards, JP | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there mtbstephen, for a while i once too thought i may be in contact with plejarens, and even though the plejarens say this and that, they also do a little positive deception for our learning benefits. with that in mind, it would be wise to question everything they have said, including about contacts and that stuff. also when did they say the things they said? situations change with the flow of time, what was fact yesterday, may be somewhat changed today, know what i mean? eventually i started thinking seriously. besides plejarens there are lyrans and peopple from sirius, and time travlers and interdimensional travlers. it's easy for someone to label another schizophrenic, and perhaps we all suffer a bit of schizophrenia to a degree, i know i have... but there comes a point where you can tell between self delusion and actual experience. to this day i dont know what my situation is, only that i am sure i have some form of contact with people of all kinds of shapes and features. when the sun shines in your eyes, you know your seeing the sun. just because other people are not looking at the sun, doesnt mean it's not shinning. there are a lot of ignorant people out there, and there are just as many who simply dont have as much confidence in their intuition and logic as others may. wether your a fraud, who knows... but i can relate somewhat to what you are experiencing and to seek validation or corroboration here from these many people is not exactly "the answer". look at it this way... somebody has to be having telepathic and other types of contact with a multitude of different life forms, so why not you? why not me? people who know they are not in contact know that, but they dont know what's going on in your life, they can only hear you out and assume. recently my little brother started seeing craft with me there beside him, and he gets images appearing in his head, peoples faces mostly. and whats more is that some of them are the same people that i have seen in "visions"/telepathic messages or whatever you like to call it. so although it may not be plejarens, there is no reason to doubt contact unless you really feel there is no contact. i myself have "heard" voices that dont seem to be heard in your ears but more like a vibration in your head, telling me the name of a city, and when i looked on maps it was not there. but on a nasa satelite map it was listed. and the voice that i heard told me it was a hidden city, whats more is that it's longitude and latitude (when you add up the numbers)add up to that magical number 7. so i wouldnt worry what anybody tells you, just take their advice and leave it as advice. a person may know more about human life and the mind, more so than you... but you know yourself better than anyone | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2005 |
I have learned much from everones feedback and it only discurages me from telling new people about my past and what my brain is capable of. I do have a weak form of telepathy but strong enough to draw attention to this alien race (it has to be the pleiadians) for them to show me sooo much. I have always know since I was 5 about my telepathy. Being that young, I used to think that everyone thought how I did and ricieved other peoples feelings and thoughts about U naturally. Their CONTACTS with me were to confirm my ability in full. I think now all the pieces have fallen together and I see no more need for them to demonstrate or prove to me that they exist, (It took 11-12 experiences including their beamship to hover over head for me to finally believe) after the ship I still had doubts, thinking it was our government. So one night the whole package was running threw my head and I was recieving the physical vibs so I went out side and called them out. I asked for them to prove it once and for all because I am still sceptic...the second after that thought, they whized threw the air at a shooting stars speed and made a 180 and flew away. After that, my head cleared and I walked inside finally convinced. That was at night. I am working on getting some allowed footage of their craft. I think my chances are pretty dang good of doing so.____I posted my question to Billy, so hopefully he can awnser me | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 416 Registered: 01-2004 |
Mtbstephen, I simply don't ‘believe’ a word you are saying. You are either truly believing your own words that you have contacts with extraterrestrial humans, or you are making a mockery out of things. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and that you are believing your own words, in that case you truly have at the very least strong illusions or an overwhelming fantasy, but I think in reality, I think you have a schizophrenic disorder. The reasons why I say this are easy and verifiable: 1. Eduard Meier had to learn an incredible mount of knowledge in this and previous lives to be able to contact the Plejarens and other races like Askets people, this is one of the reasons why Billy has those contacts because he can have a meaningful contact with those advanced human beings. 2. The Plejarens have officially withdrawn from this planet on February 3rd 1995, if I am not mistaken, which means that all current contacts are just private contacts between Billy and the Plejarens, of which some of them are published. 3. The Plejarens stated crystal clear that they have ONLY personal and telepathically contact with Billy, that means that the Plejarens and members of their federation don’t have contact with any other Earth human being on this planet, this also includes Earth humans with an ET spiritform. 4. There are one-side impulse-telepathic contacts from the Plejarens to Earth-human scientists, which are by the way totally unaware of those impulses, besides those Earth-human scientists have at the very least an engineering-title or higher. 5. Pleiadians do not exist, they call themselves Plejarens, similar to the space-time shifted system they come from, the Pleiadian solar-systems in our space-time do not harbor any humanlife at all, because they are way too young and consist of young blue-white giant stars anyway. I truly think you underlie strong illusions, delusions and fantasies, your statements about telepathy are untrue and are inconsistent with the whole phenomena of primary-telepathy and material consciousness telepathy. If you post openly on a forum like this you should be aware that people can and will express their mind. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Anthea Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2005 |
(it has to be the pleiadians) They are not "Pleiadians" - if you were really having contacts with them you would have known this already. You are suffering from delusions friend. I would like to direct you to this page on the FIGU site: http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/index.htm It is only the briefest summation of the 'proof' Mr. Meier has of his genuine contacts with the PLEJARENS. You can find more detailed information in "Light Years" by Gary Kinder and other similar publications (see the FIGU shop). If you can top this kind of hard evidence, then you might have something to say about 'contact with alien races', until then, it might be prudent to keep a respectful silence on the subject. Salome, Anthea | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 07-2004 |
hi Mtbstephen, what proof have you recieved to believe its actually telepathic communication with the plejarens that is really going on and what proof or research have you done into yourself for you to know that its not skizophrenia thats going on? I say this seriously. phil | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Anthea, Nice to see you back. You might also want ot check out: www.theyfly.com as I've been busy documenting things since last we spoke. Salome, Michael Horn | ||
Anthea Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hi Michael, hope you're doing well! It's good to be "back" Thx for the link, I'll go and check it out. I noticed you're a speaker at the upcoming the UFO conference along with Christian and Wendelle. Excellent! ;) PS: Hello to you to JP . It would be nice to catch up with everyone again, it has been a while.Salome, Anthea | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 01-2004 |
hi Mtbstephen, the more you say the more you make yourself out to be a nutcase. but i still think it's careless for people to just sum you up as a schizophrenic person with delusions. who can safely label you such a thing with such confidence in their minds? there is a possibility someone is sending you something or taking somekind of action toward you. why not leave it open to possibility rather then an open and shut case attitude? if jacob is correct when he says no federation races make any kind of contact with earth humans other than billy, then that's that. what about other races? what about all the maniacs from long ago fleeing from wars etc. what about people more advanced than the plejarens that the plejarens dont know about or simply cannot "catch" or meet with face to face/ or conciousness to conciousness? i think i remember somewhere semjase spoke about an interdimensional race that they spot time to time but can never manage to establish contact for one reason or another. i myself have seen many craft and "objects" that look nothing like anything i have ever heard of or seen. the closest i can compare would be looking like a complex detailed fractal design of sorts on the shape of saucers and the like. so federation or not. things are happening to people regardless of who's doing it. also, even if you are not getting any contact whatsoever (telepathic) it can still be said that it is quite possible that your subconcious is showing you things of your past, or future, or both, and you try conecting the dots. but ofcourse no one is perfect so you may have assumed one thing and put to much confidence in it, creating delusion to some degree. i like to sit around and ponder, and test what people say and claim. and one thing that always pops into my head is that everybodies outlook on the things around them is slightly different then that of someone else, so just dive into the depths of your mind and do some gardening. pull out and toss the weeds, and let the pretty flowers bloom. by the way Mtbstephen, if all it takes is a craft in the sky flying in strange patterns... if that's all it takes to completely convince you, then if i were in the ARMY, i would pick you as a target. ask yourself why somebody would take the time and effort to answer to your wishes, and then not bother to meet you face to face? something to hide perhaps? | ||
George Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi everyone I read all the recent postings here and I feel that this definitely is not ‘the way to go’. Just before you send your posting think…– if you were on the receiving end of this dark sided response would you like it? If not maybe this is not such a ‘hot idea’ after all. Maybe it is time to reach deeper on the side of empathy and compassion. If you really care about this person take time to present to him some good quality information with no advice of any kind. Let him read it and think about it all by himself, and also come to conclusions all by himself. He needs time to think to reflect in order to learn and acquire needed knowledge and wisdom. If you absolutely think that dark sided response is needed please consult our moderators. I think this should be the norm for a civilized response. Also moderators should consult the need for a dark sided response with other Passive members, 49, Billy if that’s really needed in order to come up with a ‘win-win’ solution to the issue at hand. Salome George | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 06-2000 |
Well said George . Everyone has the right to express their doubt , as only can be done out of some level of fear .Being so,the ones who have a basic understanding of truth as commonly shared on this website , should try if possible to adopt a neutral demeanor , which would not include insulting someone , or reverting to any detectable pain , which reading those types of detractions can really incite . I recommend a live and let live attitude , and let the moderators give those people the stern word . I know this all too well ,having been caught up in the arguments before . It's hard to let someone post rubbish , but I have to say that it was easier for me to get off the runaway train , so to speak , because so many others who were new , took it up on their own to do . So I know where you're coming from . Needless to say , true understanding is not for everyone all at the same time , because it's simply not time for them to recognize logic as being something other than a word used by a pointy eared alien on a 60's t.v. series . A funny thing about neutrality , it applies to every aspect of life , in human interactions as well as inner thought . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2005 |
hey all, well no one here believes me (maybe except for mark, hopefully) and i don't really care anymore. Its really hard to explain the extent of my contacts, my mental telepathy doesnt even let me know who the thoughts are from about 98% of the time, I need to figure it out for myself. If anyone here ever met me in person, I could much better explain everything in perfect detail to U. I have gone to the last couple of MUFLON (L.A.) meetings.....If there is anyone on this forum who I at least have the benefit of the doubt from, go to the MUFLON meetings and I would love to share everything with you and also come forth in public with my exsitence and knowledge of the truth........I posted the Q to Meier, he obviously is the only person who anyone here will believe....... I would like to be 100% certain if its the Plejarens or another race.. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 434 Registered: 01-2004 |
Stephen, I did not see your question to Billy, you can still submit your question asking him to confirm or deny your claim about your alleged ET contacts in either physical / telepathical form. I think you should know that Billy is quite direct in his answers. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
George Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Stephen, after reading your postings I see that there are 3 basic true contactee elements missing to provide for a logical scenario. One, they have not identified themselves to you(personally). Two, they have not stated what the purpose of this contact would be/ your mission. Three, they have not provided you with evidence to give you support when you’re trying to communicate your experiences/ message to others. In my opinion you first have to work on requiring them to identify themselves to you and then next to list the purpose of their contact with you. The only man that can properly guide you to achieve this GOAL is Billy himself who knows about how to develop one’s telepathic abilities because he himself did that over the course of many years. You should definitely contact him by mail, email, or arrange personal meeting to get the necessary instructions. I’d say go for it. Salome George | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2005 |
Thanks george, I can't find the mailing address to the Center. Anyone know it?________My Q is up now.......Just waiting for Billy's response. FIGU Semjase-Silver-Star-Center CH-8495 Schmidrueti Switzerland | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2005 |
What does it mean to be telepathic? What causes some humans to be telepathic? Does it have to do with extraterrestial things going on in space? regards, isabella coca | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 759 Registered: 12-1999 |
Isabella, The definition of telepathy can be found in the Spiritual Terminology Section of the Forum. Here is the definition as it was posted: Spirit-Telepathy: Purely spirit consciousness-related communications process. (Pure spirit-symbol-images, of about 52,000,000 symbols) (107000 times light speed) Telepathy: (Greek = far feeling) Pure spiritual or material consciousness-related energetic-oscillation based means of understanding, transmission and communications process. There are two forms of telepathy as taught by Billy and the Plejarens. The first form being Primary or material consciousness telepathy which has limitations in terms of distance. There is actually an audible sound which can be perceived within the ear. The second form of telepathy known as spiritual telepathy has no limitations in terms of distance and travels many times the speed of light as indicated by the definition from above. This involves the transmission of universal symbols which carry information ideas etc...Billy had to learn over 50,000,000 of these symbols during his earlier years of training. Learning any of these forms of telepathy, spiritual practices etc...require learning the Meditation, which requires years and even lifetimes of practice and advancement. I don't understand your statement about things going on in space?? Scott | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2005 |
scott, about the space thing, i meant does telepathy have anything to do with the plejarens? does it have to do with extraterrestial life. thanks, isabella coca | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello everyone. As far as I know, Billy has never mentioned that the Plejarens gave him an implant. Billy's telepathy is the result of long time spiritual work over the period of several lifetimes AND an intense educational program while in his current incarnation. Correct me if I'm wrong. I never heard anything about Billy having hardware installed inside his brain by the Plejarens. As I understand it, GENUINE telepathy requires no such thing. A "chip" or "implant" indicates CONTROL, does it not? The Billy Meier contacts are a solid and stabalizing factor which empower us to tell the difference between all the so called "ET" messages flooding the internet and the solid, practical, self empowering and self responsible spiritual techings concerning the Laws and Directives of Creation being brought through the present prophet speaking the wisdom of Creation on the earth at this time. This is my view. There are a multitude of folks nowdays that claim to be having direct telepathic communication with ET. There are more channelers than hot dogs and they claim to be "channeling" Pleideans, ascended masters, Jesus, Sananda, Hatoon, Mary, Greys from Zeta Reticuli, Andromedeans and countless other "entities." If you examine these, you will find that they are 1) contradictory, 2) false predictions, 3) palagarisms of Billy's contacts, (4 palagarism of the TJ and 5) perhaps most important, MANY of the older channelers claim to have IMPLANTS inside their bodies (or brains) to "facilitate" communication. Hello? Perhaps they have never done a litte research to find out that the technology has existed for quite a few decades which enables a CIA (covert) controller to broadcast thoughts directly into a persons mind. At first it was done with implanted receivers, in more recent years the technology no longer requires an implant. I have read the U.S. patents on some of these items. Yes indeed, they do exist. It's called "psyops." Think about those implications. A CIA van parked down the street can easily put thoughts into a persons head and make them fully believe that ET is talking or God, or Jesus, or Allah or whoever. They have even used this technology to drive people barking mad -- but apparently they have a much more subtle agenda in mind -- a UFO deception? Billy mentioned this possibility. There is UFO deception afoot frineds. Why? It is a part of the plan of those who wish to do a little "social engineering" and mold a world according to their own twisted views by creating new hierarchical belief systems -- a NEW RELIGION based on "savior" ETs INCLUDING a hoaxed SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Just look at all those "channeled" messages. They are SO different than Billy's contacts. They all involve substituting ET for the Christian idea of redemption and atonement placed upon an EXTERIOR GOD/MAN/SAVIOR. Yes, even the eyes can be fooled by governmental manufactured signs and wonders. Not all flying saucers are ET. That's why we need solid substantial evidence which is only available in Billy's contacts. [here is a little aside. Remember that at first the Plejarens told Billy they were Pleideans? Ever wonder why? It was to distinguish the genuine from the false. ALL these "channelers" say they are in contact with PLEIDEANS. We now know that the seven sisters DOES NOT SUPPORT HUMAN LIFE being far too young.] There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that any of these "channelings" are genuine and mountains of evidence that they are foolish and untrue speakings wrapped in a Star Trekian fantasy world -- a "feel good" fluff bunny kind of "new agey" doublespeak of platitudes. Billy speaks like the genuine prophets of old and it is a HARD saying just like its always been. The prophet's mission is not to cajole, mince words, give glowing "positive" reports or tell people what they like to hear. The prophet's mission is HARSH -- always has been. That's why prophets get shot at, burnied at the stake, crucified etc. How does one discern all these "channeled" messages? BY THE MESSAGE ITSELF! Is it a pack of lies? Does it contain "prophecies" that fail over and over again? Are we about to be "saved" by ET who is going to swoop down and solve all our problems for us? Is it a voice speaking inside your head? If so you'd better discern the message because not every voice speaking inside your head is a high spiritual being. Most of them are JUST YOU telling yourself what you want to hear OR what somebody ELSE wants you to hear. It could be spouting a political agenda. A "new" religion perhaps? A religion exactly like the "old" religion where only the names have been changed to deceive the gullible? Okay, having voiced that opinion, here is a different opinion or rather a slightly different perspective. Telepathy is REAL. We ALL experience it TO SOME DEGREE but for most of us, it is very imperfect and very sparce and very inexact. Nevertheless, we CAN tune into different frequencies. It's just that most of us do not have the consciousness and training to do so. Some folks have the ability to communicate with animals -- PROVEN. No, cats don't speak English (or German for that matter.) The Remote Viewing people have proven that intuition can be trained to gain amazing information either for good or for evil purposes. A great responsibity goes along with telepathy or any kind of what we call "psychic" endeavor. Great damage can be done to ones mind when these gifts are not unfolded and developed within the proper humility and intention for the highest good of all. And always keep this in mind. GENUINE ET IS A MIRROR OF YOUR HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS. How clear it is will depend upon ones consciousness, evolution and purpose. Highest regards and appreciation to all! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 593 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Isabella... Telepathy is a quality that generates itself through One's Spiritual Evolution Process/Cycle/Growth. The higher One Evolves...the more it will Perfect itself, just as One's Consciousness as well as One's Spirit-form, Striving to Perfection. It is an Universal/Creational quality which any Spirit-form can acquire to. It is not only Plejaran related. Edward. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2005 |
Helllo Nestingwave, Allow me to be funny first and ask you: how can one be 'nesting' and also a 'wave'? it's sounds like a paradox to me? but anyway... What is exactly a 'psyop? You mentioned in your post # 16, that implant indicates 'control'. That got me thinking. Last year I met with M. Salla and Eric Julien the french pilot who claims that he was contacted by ETs and consequently published their letter over the internet which I am sure you read titled: "Do you want us to show up"? When I met Eric he was private at first, then slowly he became more friendly and began showing off his "implant". To the average person he sounded mysterious to say the least. When I asked him if he had heard of Billy he said no. I asked him how he got the implant and he said that: he was taken onto a ship, travelled for a few months to learn ET space technology and then was returned to earth but does not know why he has the implant. One afternoon he was discussing the science he learned from the ETs and said that the Pyramids were constructed with 'sound' waves, the same sound as a xylophone sound when it is striked on the first one (the shortest). I don't know how many people taught to question his opinion but M. Salla also sitting in the room listening to him was encouraging. I listened very carefully but I didn't feel convinced nor did I get a posisitive gut feeling about his information, because something was terribly amiss, but being at the beginning of my search for the truth, I couldn't repudiate any of it but I was ever more curious. I am guessing that if a person is truly honest and has absolutely nothing to hide, he would be open, but there was no 'light' and warmth around him, he was friendly and all but still there was something missing????SO when I got home I began searching this discussion board with real enthusiasm, and I haven't stopped yet. I don't have a final analysis of Eric's implant, but if what you say is correct, then I can assume that he might be a controlled agent. (we have mutual photos together) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2006 |
Melli Eric Julien prophesized a giant tsunami to occur on 25-5-2006.We are still waiting for the giant waves. As Billy correctly states, predictions should not give exact dates or be accurate,because the future can be changed by the peoples thinking/acting.And there is no sense to spread unnecessary fear and chaos among the population. I once supported Eric Julien,but know he has shown me that either he deludes himself,he does not know anything about telepathic communication,his "dreams " are a mess,or he simply is on his way to be famous. To be a contactee/prophet/channeler anyone should possess some minimum requirements at least. Eric Julien does not. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2006 |
I used to Practice or attempt to develop telepathy with a group of people at psipog.net. I had some interesting experiences while practicing. I'll readily admit that I never had any Audible voices come into my head, but heard sounds of situations people were thinking, but for the most part all I ever recieved were images of things people were thinking. The weird part about it was, I would never get exactly what they were thinking, I would receive the backgrounds of their situations, as if I was receiving the subconscious thoughts of their situations, and not what they were consciously trying to send me. For Example They would send a situation that they had seen, one such example was they were sending me what they were doing in a video game, where they were fighting a monster on a mountain top with a castle that was on fire, and they would consciously try to send that monster attacking them, and the only images I would get was a mountain top, and a building on fire, which were the things that they were not nessesarily focusing on, but were in their subconscious because they knew those objects were there in the background, but they were not trying to send me that particular thing. Another thing I did with the Psipog.net group was practice telekinesis, but I was never able to move big objects, just really small things, like paper squares, and pieces of Foil, and once I move a plastic cereal bowl, but I found that when multiple people focused on the same object, it was much easier to move. What are Billy's thoughts are the possiblities of telepathy and telekinesis? I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
J_jansen New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 |
Does anybody know: Is it according to Billy's teaching possible to develop telepathic abilities without meditating? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello friends and welcome J_jensen, From what I've read if someone is diligent and dedicated to expanding ones conciousness and learning how to concentrate appropriately, telekenisis can take like 11 years to develop. As far as telepathic abilities go I've set up tests back in 2005 with my friend. I'll give you an example: I used to work inside trailers at a shipping company and I'd been eating organic foods, meditating and exercising regularly and I told my friend that my psychic abilities were working. I told him that any time a manager was coming near the trailer I would tell him, and I did. I did this for a couple weeks and then got to the point where I could distinguish between friends and others that I had not developed friendships with yet, simply by the intensity or harmonics of the individuals resonance which one can easily pick up from what I understand partially through the auditory system but I also sensed them through my my concious/subconcious mind (don't know which). He was amazed to say the least and I proved it to him time and time again and we talked heavily about the Meier contacts and ET's in general. I helped him alot and he is a very bright guy so he seemed to fill in alot of blanks logically. Anyway, we figured that I displayed enough for him to start developing these skills for himself so we set out to practice. How we would practice telepathy was he was going to send out a message on a given date say this Tuesday but he wouldn't tell me when or of what nature the attempted message would be about. Two nights later I recieved an idea for a project that we had been brainstorming about earlier. I mentioned this to my him and I told him about the idea I thought I had come up with and he asks me "what time did you come up with that thought/idea?" I told him around 1:00 am (being the next day it was easy to recall) And he then told me this was a message he was sending me at approx the same time I claimed to have come up with the idea. Needless to say this was evidence for psychic abilities. We have not seriously attempted any more tests, but the few we did seriously try, with just a little excersize, healthy eating and meditation it can work from both ends. I found it also helps when you either talk to the person or even better live with that person every day so you can recognize their vibration and frequency of thought when it comes your way. I am becomming better and better everyday. Good studies Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2006 |
I certainly agree with you when you say it can take up to 11 years to develop telekinesis, I worked on it 3 years before I was able to move that plastic cereal bowl a few inches across a table, that was back in March 2006, I haven't been able to move anything that big since, but when I attempt telekinesis, I have my good and bad days, that one happened to be a very good day, I will be sticking to moving small paper squares for a while I think. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 12-2004 |
Wow, Psycloud The fact that you moved things is amazing. Personally I'm not shocked at the notion that human beings through understanding the spiritual laws as well as physical laws of nature can do these things. What does amaze me is finding out how and why people do these things. So what methods did you use to develop this skill? Did you concentrate continiously on the object until your perception of "what" that object really was changed? Or, did you simply visualize moving the piece of paper for an extended period of time. I have always been interested in meeting people who have shown results. I'm sure a certain level of conditioning would be vital for this to work, namely concentation developed through continuous meditation? Also this issue begins to touch on the usefulness of such developments. How useful is it to move paper across a table, and yes I'm sure you plan on moving to bigger objects later but I'm curious as to how we'll use this as we develop culturally with these types of abilities. For example Billy has one arm and even daily tasks can be cubmersome to say the least so for him to accomplish the task of moving a 800-1,000 pound with one arm is not only "amazing" but necessary for him. I think it's safe to say at any point in our lives any one of us could have seriously benefited from maybe having been trained in elementary school to develop this skill of spiritual/mental telekenisis (maybe in physical/mental fitness class !) If the human wants to evolve with increased telepathic and telekinetic skills they have to be assimilated in our everday lives so as far as genetics are concerned these "abilities" will be much easier to pick up for the next generation. (I do not know about this) I have a friend who practiced breaking lightbulbs with his mind (not very useful) I think he went through a whole 4-6 pack on one light which otherwise worked fine as he says it. I am very interested in finding out how you accomplish your results Psycloud maybe you could run me through a couple basic instructions and later maybe we'll see if it alligns with the figu. Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2006 |
Well, i tried a lot of things, I have to say I started out with visualizing the paper moving and tried to visualize energy coming out of my head or hands and moving that energy to the object, but as I have tried this for a very long time, the more I do it, the less I have to concentrate it seems, don't get me me wrong, I still have to concentrate, but just not as intensly as I used to (thats just for paper), not when it comes to anything else bigger then paper I concentrate very hard, and usually nothing happens. But I think it takes a lot of concentration to develop such things, but not so much when it comes to maintaining it. As for what its used for, I have no idea, as moving a small paper squares is pointless, but I think its just a bridge to moving bigger things, which could be useful, I doubt I will be moving anything big in my lifetime. By the way this is not levitation or anything, it is just me making paper slide across a table. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 07-2003 |
not sure if this is real but the story that goes with it is fun Telekinesis. This is the name for a contactless movement of light objects of which the so-called gifted people are capable-i. e. moving a match box on a table without touching it, holding a tennis ball in the air... I submit that everyone has this ability. Suspend the described skeletal pyramid by its top from the ceiling on a thin, artificial thread, or better still on a long shred of elastic torn from a stocking. Choose a spot with the lowest convection (air circulation). In a few hours, when the pyramid stops rotating, from a 2-meter distance point at it a "tube" made up of two hands (see picture). In a few minutes (do not lose your "target"), the pyramid will start rotating clockwise under the pressure of this beam of CSE energy. Stop the rotation by moving the "tube" to the right side of the skeleton-it will start rotating counter-clockwise. Conduct experiments of various duration, after various time intervals and at various distance. You will see that telekinesis is no miracle, but only one of the manifestations of the Will of Matter that is available to a chosen few but to everyone. The thing is that the palm is also a multi-cavernous structure that clearly repels the indicator of the straw-cobweb device described in this chapter. By using it and the skeletal pyramid, you can practice and develop your "telekinetic" abilities, significantly increasing them http://www.keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm Brian Best | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 12-2004 |
Sliding or gliding that's still pretty cool. I have tried a couple times and I could have sweared I saw it move but it's not scientific and it wasn't witnessed or anything. I would love to start practicing these things, because when you develop one skill especially ones that require mind development I'm assuming it will make it much easier to conquer the next mental ability and so on. Plus evolution is evolution. Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2006 |
Technod, I have done similar things, but I did not use a straw to point, I just thought of what I wanted to do, and yes I think everyone has telekinetic abilities, it's just that some people are move evolved then others. My self, I am not that good at it, but I recognize that its there. Tjames, I have never filmed myself or anything when practicing, I think that it should not be filmed or witnessed by people who are unwilling to accept or recognize this phenomena, it is the same reason Billy does not force his teaching down people's throats, give them free will, they will eventually come around; that is one thing that attracted me to his teachings was the way it was presented. Only one other person has seen me move objects (small paper squares at the time), but he was ready mentally to accept it. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 12-2004 |
I totally agree with you Psycloud, because I've experienced that the ONLY benefit one can truly gather from the advancement of telepathy and other psychic phenomena is of a personal evolutive type. It really doesn't do an observer much good to see these things unless "they're ready" as you put it but mainly becuase someone who isn't "ready" will simply spread nonsense about the experience or someother useless unprogressive behavior. I think it makes sense to practice these abilities alone or with someone who has sufficiently mastered these skills to the point they know the "ins and outs" and can logically teach. In theory this is nice but there aren't that many people who have obtained a mentoring status for telepathy and or telekinesis. I don't need proof that you did it Psycloud because I've experienced similar phenomenon in my lifetime. The thought of seeing a video does entice my creativity and imagination but I do wonder if it would be worth while or beneficial. If I ever "seriously" start learning, implementing, applying or start to practice telekinesis I will share some details with the open minded and interested folks among the figu forum in the future and this applies to any other logical application for similar types of mind development. I appreciate your time and I'll give you mine in return. Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 652 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... If I may pitch-in a few loose change... Speaking of 'Telekinesis ': my own experiences with such phenomenon, was decades back, but they manifested: Unintentionally. Just to name a few incidents.... I went to visit a good friend one night, and we all sat on the couch, and then his wife went to the kitchen to make us some coffee. So, when she came back, she put my cup on the table first....some 20-30 cm from me and as she put it down...the cup moved very slowly in my direction(still get goose bumps when talking about this.. ..)! So, I was just staring at it...of surprise...slowly moving towards me. I just looked at this manifestation...till it stopped, after moving some 13-15 cm. Then, I turned to my friend and his wife and asked them: " Did you just see what I saw?" Of course, they both said: "NO." But I am sure, that they both saw it move but were just into "Denial". My friend being Indonesian/Ambon of roots; which still lives with 'Superstition'...went scared, of course, but his wife being a Dutch women...was just as 'Sober' as can be. The second incident was at a bar I usually went to...to get a bier or two..in the weekends. I can not remember...quite clearly; but we were talking at the bar, friends and me, and someone said something...which was not in its place, so, I got so furious...that I stood up on the foot-bar(at the floor of the bar), and the lamp above me, it's light bulb...WENT OUT, and when this happened, you could hear a 'POP' from with inside the bulb! All around the bar...had the expression of shock, in their faces: They just 'Froze'. I was stunned of what happened, myself...and just stood on the foot-bar...till they all dripped-off...one by one. Than I came down. I can not acknowledge if these above mentioned phenomenons were generated by myself, or just Natural "Concourse Of Circumstances", but certainly not by anyone around, at the time? Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 884 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Edward, Could it have been the bottom of the cup was wet? I have noticed sometimes if you place a wet cup on a smooth surface the water on the bottom of the cup will create a barrier, which allows the cup to hydroplane such as an automobile on a wet road....just a thought. Regards Scott | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2006 |
I was thinking the same thing, but the light bulb could be coincidence, or not. But one thing I notice when I try to move things, moving a cup that is wet at the bottom can make it more susceptible to move, as the less friction an object has, the easier it is to move with your mind because there are less forces acting against you, so moving a piece of ice across a marble title would be easier then say moving a couch across a floor, that is why small paper squares are easy to move, they are small and lightweight, and to be sure, it is always a test to put the small paper squares under a glass cake dish and move it inside with your mind, then you know the air vents are not effecting it. Hope that helps I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello edward, after reading your accounts, i would like to share you mine... there has been a couple. one that i remember was when i was in my late teens. i woke up one morning to the realization that i was falling into my bed. right when my eyes opened, i fell about4-5 inches. it was enough to realize that i was floating, just as i was waking up. another time about 2 and a half years ago, i was looking at the batteries of my portable cd player. i specifically made a note of the fact that the batteries were indeed in their proper position inside the cd player. the next morning i woke up and wanted to listen to some music, but when i put on the head phones, nothing played. i checked the batteries and oddly enough, they were reversed from the position they were in the night before. dont know what that could mean, but it was interesting. then not too many nights after the above incident, i woke up in the middle of the night and looked at a chair that was near me, about 10 feet away. it moved away from the computer it was near, it moved about a foot away. another time, i was walking down a street when a lamp turned on as i walked under it. then i got to my brothers house. after i left his house, on my way back home, light's would turn on 3 more seperate times. some other strange things that happend, perhaps something to do with telekenisis or not, but strange none the less.... when i was young i liked to collect stones, so one day at a store, i wanted to get some stones but i could only get 3, but i wanted more. i was disappointed but as i walked out the store, i started walking in a direction and about 15 feet away i seen two stones just sitting there, people passing them, they were in plain view. i ran to them and picked them up. a similair thing happend when i was really young. me and my mother were walking to the train station (skytrain actually, like the subway) and we needed money as we were not very wealthy. we did'nt have money for food and my mom was worried. as we walked into the station, i seen a pile of paper whirling around as people just blindly passed the pile. when i realized it was money, i ran to grab it. i couldnt believe it, people were just oblivious to the very noticable paper money. it was around 50 or so dollars in that bunch, just enough for a decent amount of food. also one last event that i still have trouble figuring out. me, my brother and his friend were in one room, talking. all of a sudden we all felt at the same time, like a magnetic wave passing through us, like it was sweeping across. we felt that one more time also on a seperate occasion. one time also, i had a dream about sleep paralyzation and when i woke up, i was paralyzed for a minute. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 653 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott... I am open for your thoughts, but what you mentioned was not the case. That effect is known to me. We checked all possibilities. I was the one to pick up the cup, and it was not wet...or what so ever: that was my first thought. Take it from me...my friend's wife is a very very cleaning lady; and she would never serve wet cups..or what ever, and as she would never do previous. She always serves - Dry and Clean -. Thank you for your input... Edward. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2006 |
Not to mention, you said it was coffee which made me think it was hot, which means condensation would form inside the cup and not outside. Peter Have you ever heard of magnetic people. People who are more magnetically charged or something, where electrical devices, such as game consoles and such become useless after a person with a more powerful then normal magnetic field around them uses it which I do not even know if its true or not. And the other stuff seems to be just coincidences that you have choosen from your past memory. I think we all have those moments, as well as moments of not so good fortune, if fortune even exists. And with regards to you falling in bed and being paralyzed, I think that is different stages of Astral Projection. The falling in your bed being being the end of an Astral Projection stage(which in your case your mind dissolved this experience after it was over, like waking up from a dream and not remembering what it was about), and the paralyzed occasion being a failed Astral Projection, meaning you started to have one, but it failed for what ever reason (panic, rapid heart beat, vibrations, etc.) I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 887 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Psycloud, I believe you are right concerning "astral projection", Billy would say it is a projection of the material consciousness away from the body Anyway, I have had very similar experiences, with the feeling of being paralyzed and hearing all sorts of electrical noises? Also the falling into bed, many times I think my subconscious will create various images to hide the fact that I am entering my body, because my conscious mind would not accept it. When in this altered state, I have been able to pass my hand through walls and rise up off the floor and float along above the ground. I have visited people's homes and then described various rooms the next day. My most favorable experiences happened when I lived in a house which was right next to a giant Cedar tree. I always felt this tree had something to do with my increased ability to have these experiences?? I know someone who I would consider has one of those type of magnetic "personalities". This person cannot pull out a plug from the wall without getting shocked. I have seen this person shut down a television before and freeze up my computer... Regards Scott | ||
Paul Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello all A suggestion for those attempting telekinesis. I have never tried this myself but someone once told me get a boron string very thin. Pierce a jar lid with a small hole and run the boron thread through it and tape off the top. Now screw the lid back onto the jar. This allows one to test their ability with a very thin light object while also protecting against any slight breeze or interferences from the outside. If psycloud could move paper squares he should get this thing swinging. Hope this is some help to get others started. salome Paul | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello every one, Just wanted to give a short thought regarding being paralyzed in bed. A while ago I heard another version was that it’s a manifestation of the devil, which made laugh  , the person telling me was a Muslim. But any ways to my point, a few years ago I saw on TV a report about people that sleep walk or just moving around to eat something for example, the report went on to say that people do that because their nerve system was still functioning. As it was explained that if we had full access of movement while we sleep we would be reacting to dreams with movement which would be pain. So I would imagine the reason of being paralysed is that the conscious mind woke up but the body still didn’t wake up in a sense. PS: sorry Scott for being off topic, but just wanted to add one short comment Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey friends, Have any of you meditated deeply with intentions of learning more about your future so you can act according now? Well I did this alot back in 2005 and I remember seeing specific images warning me that something would happen specifically with exacting images. I'm not going to say what it was because I don't remember what the images purpose was for but what I do know is that I wanted to "REMIND" myself that this was something I needed to do. A simple message sent 1 year in advance. So in other words I meditated, then I digested the meditation. Thereafter I focused a strong intent message for me to consiously remember the warning that I realized in the meditation at the time I needed it. I got that message today at work. I consiously did this and remember doing it back in 2005. From what I understand all I did was innitiate a "dayshavu" and make it more intense and it worked. Afterall that's all a dayshavu is anyway right, a warning or a signpost telling us there is an issue to look at and understand. You could also say I sent myself a telepathic message via visual and Pshychic message in origin? Creation unfolding within us, Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 12-2004 |
Also, Edward I wonder if the bottom of the glass was domed with an air pocket? and what type of surface the table was. I'm curious to check the details sometimes conventional science explains it, but in the event it isn't the more cases and evidence in this field will push scientists to study further until it is becomes conventional science. So either way it will be expalined. I have also felt the falling in bed feeling along with the paralyzed feeling. It can be overwhelming or extrememly exciting depending on the mindset. Do any of you feel like a stone? Sometimes I would get this feeling and perhaps this is the paralyzed feeling like my body was comprised of a totally new material like it was phasing in and out of physical shape rapidly and maybe this is what a couple of you speak about when you say paralyzed. It doesn't seem to hinder the or enhance the meditation but it does seem to symbolize a specific concentration setting. Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 654 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Eric: Well, very interesting experiences you have had. 'Sleeping Paralysis' is very common. As far as I know it, it has something to do with the 'REM' state, when sleeping. It seems to be related to the - 'Sleep and Waken' state of consciousness. I had in the past, just as everyone else...these experiences. Just like the 'Falling' state, which is also very common. It is as if One falls out of bed. But there were times I DID really fall out of bed in my sleep, and when I woke up...I found myself on the floor! I experienced this when I was under the age of 10 years old. There were even times when my father saw me lay there and put me back into bed: I woke up noticing this. Psycloud: Speaking of 'Magnetic People': I am one of them. It is getting colder now...here in the country I live in, and just last week I went to the city and into one of the Mall stores and took the escalator to the lower floor, and usually One would hold-on to the rubber hand-grips on both sides, but just one second I turned to look the other way lifting my left-hand off the rubber, and than put it back...but I missed it and touched the metal under it...and a Hell Of A Shock...I got! I even saw the sparks and the short line of energy passing out of my finger tips. So, I do have to watch out with this quality, specially when it gets cold(Winter time). Having this quality...and having to tank for some gas...at a gas station can be very fatal! But as I know it now, some gas stations have taken measures: One has to Tap on some sort of Pad, or something before tanking into the car. I do not own a car at this time. BTW: Concerning the Light-Bulb: I am referring it to 'Telekinesis/ Psychokinesis' as in...(Unconsciously) influencing(Magnetic quality) it's molecular/particle structure, in movement: the electric current, so to speak. Not in the definition of/as moving a solid object by - Mind Over Matter -. Thank you all for your experiences and input... Edward. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey psycloud. that's quite interesting. i never heard of magnetic people, but i do notice i often get shocked by static electricity. or if i put my head near a t.v., i can feel a field of energy, it almost feels like a faint flood of magnetic force surrounds me. it's pretty annoying. interesting that you mention astral projection. i tried that a couple of times and got some results. one time i went out my body, looked at it, then passed out a window and slowly up toward the 2nd floor of my apartament building, as soon as i got to the neighbours balcony above me, i could clearly see everything. but as i stopped to see inside there balcony, i told myself that i have done what i wanted to accomplish and to invade their privacy would be a sin against my spirit. then immedietly there was like a light or silver flash and i was back in my body looking up at the ceiling. yes, and i'm pretty sure it was sleep paralysis when i was awakened parilized. i read about that to and it seems to fit. plus on that morning, i had a dream about asking a guy about sleep parlyzation. so it went hand in hand. hey scott, i too have had times where i would hear certain noises. like one time i woke up and i heard somekind of robotic sound, kind of like r2d2, beeping and making all kinds of sounds, in different tones or pitches. another time i was waking up and i heard these kids that were playing outside my window, but it was like for the first moemnt as i was waking up, their voices were magnified and echoed. that's the only time that happend though. hello tjames, i have tried what you speak of. i have had results, but in a different way than you. rather than me being reminded of something later, i would simply see things as if a video was being played infont of my eyes, lot of the things were about war and weaponry. in anycase it seems there's many many things a person can do with the power of will. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
Paul: That is a Good idea, I have made a lot of strange contraptions to try and reduce external variables, and yes if I were a beginner I would start with these types of things because they are rather frictionless and easy to move (Which is why I still use them because I'm still a beginner) And when it comes to Astral projection, I, too, get electrical machine noises, usually it sounds like Jacob's Ladder or Van der graf generator type noises. I often get sleep paralysis when I try to project, and during the exit I don't quite get out, or I get out and am too close to my body. I think that the further you are away from your body, the easier it is to maintain the projection. Do any of you get double memory, such as hearing a fan blow on you in your room, and hearing what you are viewing in your projected body, like you hear them at the same time, for me it also happens in dreams, I'll be hearing dream noises and I can still hear the fan going in my room, but again the further away your projected body is away from your real body, the "you" in the bed hears less of the room and more of the projection. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2005 |
My experience with telepathy was taught to me by my father starting at about twelve years old. We would consciously try to contact one another when we were apart and record the time and compare notes. He divorced my mother and lived elsewhere. One time as he was getting older I had not called him for several months and out of the blue, in the middle of an interesting TV program I got "trigger" to call him. He could bearly answer the phone as he was having a stroke. I told him to hang up and I would call an ambulance using 911 (US phone code for emergency). The people at 911 were confused as I was 123 miles away from where he was and it was hard to get them to send an ambulance to his home when it was so far away. The doctor told me it saved his life. Astral projection was practiced by me for many years while working in Alaska and my loved ones living in California. It made for strange conversation when telling my girlfriend what she was wearing that day. It took many years of practice to be able to do it, somewhat... at will. Am now teaching this attribute to my children. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Coded to Earth in ancient Lyrian: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronuciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
I think Astral Projection takes many years, I still can not trigger it at will, it is something that happens maybe 2 or 3 times a years at random, I have not had one since June. Does Billy have any books on how to develop these things, and why they might be useful? I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
J_jansen New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2006 |
So according to some of you meditation may be useful when developing paranormal powers. Billy Meier writes in one of his books that it is an important factor in mastering paranormal capabilities. But how about all the people who claim to have paranormal powers or experiences. As far as I know many of them don't meditate. Assuming that at least some of them tell the truth that seems to indicate that meditation isn't required for developing paranormal powers. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 891 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello J_jansen, I have thought about that also. Possibly some of them have developed these abilities in previous lives? I also wonder if certain people are born with the purpose of showing the rest of us what is possible and leading us into new avenues of awareness. I don't know whether the magician Criss Angel (who appears to levitate) is legitimate or not, but he has stated anything is possible with the body, mind and spirit. So maybe he already has this knowledge and knows how to utilize it??? I don't really know the answer to this.. Regards Scott | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2006 |
I think it can be developed without meditation, but I think meditation greatly speeds up the development, at least that would seem logical to me. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. |
