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Jamesm
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Thanks guys.

I'm a little clearer on the subject now.

There are universes within universes (space-time configurations or dimensions) and universes without universes (Dern, Dal etc), unless I am still mistaken.

I read in the Questions Answered by Billy section that Billy doesnt know how many space-time configurations there are.

Its rather fascinating to try a understand how big the Creation is.

Was there ever a beginning? Is the Creation inside an even greater Creation that the Plejaren and Petale-level spirit-forms cannot detect? You don't have to answer these qs.

Truly we are on a great journey of discovery.
James G. T. Moore
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Matthew_deagle
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Bob,

Consider also, though, that the universe is just the body, of the Creation, inner and outer, while the Creation consists of more than its body--in specific It consists, too, of the generative boundary of its body, which, relative to us, expands, while we, relative to it, contract (it produces space, out of which time is generated, etc.). Furthermore, the very core of the universe is the Creative Central-Sun, which is located 'within' the egg of the universe. Also, spiritually, Creation is located within every part of itself, holographically one may say, and in the form of the Creative-Natural Laws.

Salome,

- Matthew
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Indi
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re 'space-time configurations' being universes

My thoughts on this, based on reading the books, is that a 'space-time configuration' is simply 'a dimension', in that the particular combination of space and time, based on the measurement of speed of light, chronons, tachyons etc., will determine the so-called 'dimension' for that particular configuration.

Billy does call it a dimension in the writings. "Raum-Zeit-Gefügen resp. Dimensionen"


The universe, as Bob showed above, is another name for 'The Creation' that was created by 'Creation'.
Another name for this is 'universal consciousness'.

Within 'the Creation/Universe/Universal consciousness, there are various space/time configurations. These configurations being discussed here, are confined to the material belt, and another example of a different space/time configuration to the one we find ourselves currently in, is 'hyperspace', which is described in various books, as simply having a different space/time configuration, with the speed of light being faster in that dimension than in this one -- hence the ability to travel long distances in an instant. (too difficult to go into -- and for me to explain as well :-))

So, if the Plejaren come from a planet in a different space/time configuration, then this may mean, and I only say 'may', that there are whole other sets of galaxies etc.... that formed in a slightly different space/time configuration to ours, and that could make the mind boggle when it comes to figures. However, in the book 'Existentes Leben im Universum' (p.171) Billy does say that even though the Plejaren are in a different space/time configuration to ours, they are still in the same universe as we are.

In a way, it would be safe to say that everything is 'in' something else, in that everything exists within a field that is created by something else, that also is in a field etc..........

I will be interested to read Guido's new book, that may cover this in more detail.

I hope I have not confused things any more

in peace

Robjna
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Phi_spiral
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What I was trying to say with my earlier post is that there are different expressions for a universe, but I did not mean they are the same and equal to each other. Our DERN Universe is not the same or equal to a creation universe which is not the same or equal to a spiritual universe. Likewise, a dimension I mark on a board before cutting, is not equal to and the same as a different time-space configuration.

If James had phrased his question, “How is a time-space configuration different from our DERN Universe?” I would have responded differently. If that is the real question, then I have misunderstood. However, if I am living in a different time-space configuration than this one, then my universe IS that different time-space configuration. It’s the universe that I experience and live out my days in. Time-space configurations (or dimensions) may sub-divide the experience of the DERN Universe, but collectively it is all the same. We may refer to the Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic, Southern and Indian Oceans as being separate but they are really all connected, all the same ocean.

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Bob
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Mqhassan
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Robjna,

Is Guido writing a new book ?
what is its title ?


Mohammed
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Indi
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Hi Mohammed
I wish you had not asked me that question :-)

I was doing a rather large reading/research effort yesterday, and read many many things, one of which I thought was that Guido is writing a new book that covers time/space configurations/dimensions etc....

Now, you have put me on the spot, and I do not know where I even read it!

I may have to ask someone at Figu to make sure I was not imagining it!

Robjna
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Phi_spiral
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I need to make a correction to my post #315 above. In my example of different universes, I meant to refer to an Ur universe and not creation universe as one that precedes our DERN universe...which in fact is an example of a creation universe.

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Bob
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Anday727
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Hi Robina,

This information is in one of the Billy's answers to the questions posted here on FIGU forum.

Billy's answer:...
Your question is unclear.
There is a difference between the creation of a spirit form and the creation of a Creation. Besides, the absolute beginning leads back 6 levels or steps before the beginning of the Absolute Absolutum. Guido Moosbrugger is currently writing a book about this.

Salome,
Dejan
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Mqhassan
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Bob, Robjna,

I have been attempting for some time to model the Plejaran universe making use of some initial data and then improvising by using the magic numbers like 7. I would like to put a certain section of it to discussion here since there is mention of the UR Universe.

It is interesting to find our what happens after the initial seven sleeps and wakes.
With the last (seventh) of the Initial Simple Creation phase taking 36,593,544.96 trillion years for each of the wake and slumber period, the resulting total period for this phase of creation becomes 85,384,834.56 trillion or 85.4x10^18 years.

The next phase called the UR Creation does also have seven stages, and continues with the same trend from the 8th to the 14th sleep / wake cycles . The last in this phase takes 30,136,357,796,993.28 trillion years for each of its wake and slumber periods and providing a total time for this phase of 70,318,082,808,046.08 trillion or 70.3x10^24 years.

A third phase is then called the Central Creation which continues from the 15th to the 21st sleep / wake cycles leading to a total time for this phase of 57.9x10^30 years.

The coming phases will belong to the Absolutum phases and were not defined in detail other than that the absolute absolutum contains 10^49 universes. Since the 7x7 numerical methodology is understood, some inconsistencies need to be addressed here.

Isn’t it possible that one needs to continue with the wake sleep cycles until we reach a total of 49 , while we have an infinite number of universes in the Absolute Absolutum ? If we accept such reasoning , then we could continue with another four phases to the total seven and the total sleep / wake cycles 49, in two different ways :

A)- Assuming a continuous time increase for each upcoming cycle

A Fourth phase being 7^7 or 823,543 times as long with an overall time of 47.7x10^36 years
A Fifth phase again 7^7 as long with an overall time of 39.3x10^42 years.
A Sixth phase again 7^7 as long with an overall time of 32.3x10^48 years.
A Seventh and final phase, again 7^7 as long with an overall time of 26.6x10^54 years.

However here we are faced with a logical problem of how creation would return towards creating material universes again, and the fact of what was there before the first cycle and why out current universe happens to be considered as the first.
One way of getting out of this is assuming 49 stage cycles that repeat itself indefinitely in an infinite bubble foams of the absolute Absulutum.

See Part -2


Salome

Mohammed
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Mqhassan
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B)- Assuming a time increase reversal happening in the FOURTH Phase

This other possibility is based on making these 49 cycles reverse its time length by reaching a maximum in the middle of the Fourth Phase than begin and return back to one SEVENTH of the time for each upcoming cycle
Such a configuration can repeat itself infinitely with creation developing and returning to the original idea that created the first universe . The basic number building block can be taken as the 311.04 trillion years to simplify calculations and shown as follows :


1- Simple Creation

First Cycle : 311.04 trillion = 311.04 x 10^12 yrs
2nd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7 = 2.17 x 10^15 yrs
3rd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7 x 7 or 7^2 = 15.24 x 10^15 yrs
4th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7x7x7 or 7^3 = 106.68 x 10^15 yrs
5th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^4 = 746.81 x 10^15 yrs
6th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^5 = 5.23 x 10^18 yrs
7th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^6 = 36.59 x 10^18 yrs

Subtotal (1st to 7th Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 85.38 x 10^18 Yrs

2- UR Creation

Eighth Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^7 = 256.15 x 10^18 yrs
9th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^8 1.79 x 10^21 yrs
10th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^9 12.55 x 10^21 yrs
11th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^10 87.86 x 10^21 yrs
12th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^11 615.02 x 10^21 yrs
13th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^12 4.30 x 10^24 yrs
14th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^13 30.14 x 10^24 yrs

Subtotal (8th to 14th Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 70.32 x 10^24 Yrs

3- Central Creation

Fifteenth Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^14 = 210.95 x 10^24 yrs
16th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^15 = 1.47 x 10^27 yrs
17th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^16 = 10.34 x 10^27 yrs
18th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^17 = 72.36 x 10^27 yrs
19th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^18 = 506.50 x 10^27 yrs
20th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^19 = 3.55 x 10^30 yrs
21st Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^20 = 24.82 x 10^30 yrs

Subtotal (15th to 21st Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 57.91 x 10^30 Yrs

4- FOURTH Phase of Creation ( A.A )

22nd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^21 = 173.73 x 10^30 yrs
23rd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^22 = 1.216 x 10^33 yrs
24th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^23 = 8.513 x 10^33 yrs
25th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^24 = 59.59 x 10^33 yrs
26th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^23 = 8.513 x 10^33 yrs
27th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^22 = 1.216 x 10^33 yrs
28th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^21 = 173.73 x 10^30 yrs

Subtotal (22nd to 28th Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 79.39 x 10^33 Yrs


Note : The Largest Universe possible in this model would be the 25th Cycle.
After that the reverse will happen, and subsequent universes would be
one seventh of the ones preceding it.




5- FIFTH Phase of Creation ( Central Creation Image )


29th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^20 = 24.82 x 10^30 yrs
30th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^19 = 3.55 x 10^30 yrs
31st Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^18 = 506.50 x 10^27 yrs
32nd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^17 = 72.36 x 10^27 yrs
33rd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^16 = 10.34 x 10^27 yrs
34th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^15 = 1.47 x 10^27 yrs
35th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^14 = 210.95 x 10^24 yrs

Subtotal (29th to 35th Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 57.91 x 10^30 Yrs


6- SIXTH Phase of Creation ( UR Creation Image )


36th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^13 = 30.14 x 10^24 yrs
37th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^12 = 4.30 x 10^24 yrs
38th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^11 = 615.02 x 10^21 yrs
39th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^10 = 87.86 x 10^21 yrs
40th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^9 = 12.55 x 10^21 yrs
41st Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^8 = 1.79 x 10^21 yrs
42nd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^7 = 256.15 x 10^18 yrs

Subtotal (36th to 42nd Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 70.32 x 10^24 Yrs


7- SEVENTH Phase of Creation ( Simple Creation Image )


43rd Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^6 = 36.59 x 10^18 yrs
44th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^5 = 5.23 x 10^18 yrs
45th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^4 = 746.81 x 10^15 yrs
46th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^3 = 106.68 x 10^15 yrs
47th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7^2 = 15.24 x 10^15 yrs
48th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 7 = 2.17 x 10^15 yrs
49th Cycle : 311.04 x 10^12 x 1 = 311.04 x 10^12 yrs

Subtotal (43rd to 49th Cycle) x 2 (S/W) = 85.38 x 10^18 Yrs

Note : The Beauty of this resulting model makes it much more likely than
the continuously time increasing model , and provides a returning point
to the first universe that we are at currently at. So before the Hyperinflation
of our current creation 45.7 trillion years ago, and the slumber period
of 311.04 trillion years, we had a similar universe to our current one !

The total time for this recurrent SUPER CYCLE would then be as follows :
2 x [ 85.38x1018 plus 70.32x10^24 plus 57.91x1030 ] plus 79.395x10^33 Yrs

= 7.94x10^34 Yrs

A cyclic model based on the number 49 would be perfectly symmertical with the 49 x 6.3 trillion half light speed intervals which makes up simple creation with the 311.04 trillion year cycle.


Salome

Mohammed
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Indi
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thankyou Dejan

So, now I can rest that i am not going crazy!

:-)
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Phi_spiral
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Hi Mohammed,

My understanding of time up to this point is that it only has meaning when there are at least two objects in space moving in relation to each other. So I don’t understand how they measure the time-span of a slumber cycle. Or even a spiritual universe. I can only fathom that it must be a measurement of vibration by cycles. That it can bear any resemblance to how we measure time in our solar system, a year being one rotation of Earth around the sun, is beyond me. Time even changes for our DERN universe relative to its expansion and contraction cycle. So there must be an underlying law of creation that ties it all together in a pretty mathematical package. But until we open that package or I come upon some fresh information in the Meier material that explains the paradox of time with the ever present now in such a way that has value for me, I’m just going to step aside and not comment any further.

Regards
Bob
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Indi
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Hi Mohammed
Numbers are not really my strength, however, from what I have gleaned from your posts and from what i have read in the books, I would like to mention something I noticed.

In the book Existentes Leben im Universum, pps. 200-204 there are some diagrams as you would have seen, that show these periods and their order.

You said :
The coming phases will belong to the Absolutum phases and were not defined in detail other than that the absolute absolutum contains 10^49 universes. Since the 7x7 numerical methodology is understood, some inconsistencies need to be addressed here.

Isn’t it possible that one needs to continue with the wake sleep cycles until we reach a total of 49 , while we have an infinite number of universes in the Absolute Absolutum ? If we accept such reasoning , then we could continue with another four phases to the total seven and the total sleep / wake cycles 49, in two different ways


If you look at the diagram on p. 200, you will see that there are 49 steps represented.

The first 21 are within the Ur-Ur-Ur-Erst-Idee, ie., the original-original-original-first-idea/thought generated from the Absolute nothingness.

This got the ball rolling so to speak!

Then the 22nd - 28th sleep/wake cycles are attributed to the Creation/Universe (of the lowest evolved form like ours); therefore 29th-35th to the Ur-Creation/Universe; the 36th-42nd to the Central-Creation/Universe; and then finally the 43rd-49th cycle occurring in the 4th Creationsform, which would mean at that time there were 10^49 exisiting at one time in the field of the Absolute Absolutum.

If you then look on p. 203 & 204, there are two alternate plans on how this would form a continuous loop -- and that would be from Creations level 1-4, which would always mean there would be 10^49 in the field of the Absolute Absolutum (or am I missing something?)

Well, that is how I see it -- but I am not particularly good with numbers etc... so I may have missed something.

Also, I personally have never felt that our DERN Creation/Universe was the actual FIRST one of this whole cycle.

If you have read that somewhere please direct me to that location in the material, as I would like to read that bit.

I have always only seen the DERN as described as the lowest evolutionary form of Creation, and not the FIRST in that sense that you seemed to mention.

It is good to see that you are interested in this aspect of the material Mohammed, as I could guess that there would not be too many who would invest the time in this topic, or would be able to. I struggle with it, and can find myself lost in deliberations about it all, only to move on to other things eventually, that are more concrete to my day to day life. However, I do enjoy being focused in this area every now and then.

Robjna
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Mqhassan
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Robjna,

We do have some problems in the understanding of the data provided, plus the fact that some of the information mentioned in some contacts are not consistent with later data. As an example to that is the 89th contact. Meier does most of the discussion and conclusion and sometimes gets confirmation from Semjase. Later on when the model was analyzed and lectures presented, one ended up with more detailed calculations which would make the previous assumption incorrect.

I believe that Guido actually did a lot of improvisations to make workable models for basic info made available. However basic information is subject to more than one interpretation.

I would be greatful if the two digrams of pp 203 and 204 can be translated accurately by Guido Himself. From what I understood, Guido's interpretation would end up with an open ended model and in no way mathematically cyclic, otherwise one would have to return to a place from where you begin.

In the second variation that I proposed as an interpretation, you can actually draw a circle, and divide it to 49 sections. The opposite side from the beginning point would be the 25th cycle, and providing the largest universe.

Guido's diagrams do not show a true cyclic nature, and leaves a lot to speculations as well.

For this reason I find it important to have work groups that could finalize this issue in addition to the historical data discrepancy.

If we can make that, then we can get more professional people in the fields of science and archeology contribute and eventually support the Meier case, and contribute to public understanding that modern science needs to learn from the information made available to us through the Plejarens.

It is like reverse engineer reliable data to correct the current human understanding, and find where we are wrong !

Salome

Mohammed
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Greetings In Peace,

Mohammed, I admire your efforts to find logical sequence in the totality of Creation's cycles. I find your second proposed ('part-B') calculations to be quite elegant, for the implied symmetry.

Robjna has provided the key for your further research, as the book Existentes Leben im Universum. To my knowledge, this has yet only been published in the German language, however.

I only want to add here, that I ran across information that THIS current Creation of Universes is the second of seven cycles in the current phase. (I kick myself in the butt that I can't remember where I read this).

And to add a point regarding relative-time. As the Space-Time dimension continues to expand, the "speed-of-light" also expands. We cannot measure any difference, because we are also immersed within the same material expansion, therefore the 'field of relativity' simultaneously expands.

Beyond the mid-point of this creation cycle, there will begin a contraction of all Universes. Along with the contraction of Space-Time will also occur a contraction of the "speed- of-light" and of the field of relativity, again unnoticed from within these Universes.

Just a little food for thought.

Salome
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Mqhassan
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An interesting result can be shown when comparing the width of the creational expansion belt with the coarse material belt 1.4 x 10^64 / 2.5 x 10^15 = 0.56 x 10^49 .

Since fine matter consists most of the volume of the DERN Universe while having much lower density, it can lead us to formulating a model for the seven planes of sub-atomic structure that was mentioned without much detail, other than that earth sciences have delved into only two of these levels.

Could we be dealing with a similar sub atomic structural hierarchy leading to the finest levels , as the universe itself ? Could we have a 10^49 density ratio between the seventh and the first planes in the sub atomic world ?

Salome

Mohammed
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Salome Mohammed,

Yes, that is one of the 'keys'.

As Above, so Below, which means to say: the Macrocosm is a refection of the Microcosm, and visa-versa.

You are on the right path. Science does not yet have the tools necessary to see into the finer aspects of reality.

Science will have need of the 'tools of spiritual awareness' to see beyond the grosser aspects of 'reality'.

Salome
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J_rod7,

would you mind providing me with your personal email? I am developing an article and showing some parts of it as in the last three emails.

Your feedback would help. So I would like to send you the draft I am working on for some assessment

Salome

Mohammed
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Hello Mohammed,

Yes, I will be glad to review what you have so far. Please bear in mind that my personal opinions should not be taken as any final answer. E-mail: rodnbun@tampabay.rr.com

Salome
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Syn
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ok someone in my class is insisting that time travel in the past is able to effect the future. He was talking about the philidelphia project. can someone give a valid explanation on how time travel in past and effect future is impossible?


Dear Syn,
Please use the search engine, this topic has been discussed many times.
Salome, Badr

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Hello Gerald,

First, I would inform them that the onus of proof is on them: to prove that such change is possible. They will not be able to prove this.

To change the future or erase the past would mean erasing the experience of Creation/Source/Creator. Can simple mankind be above Creation/Source/Creator? Man, in his ignorance, wild imagination and movies, has deemed himself so in our age.

As Badr says, posts exist covering this in full. Basically, that which has existed has existed and nothing can change that. If it could all our lessons and learning could be short circuited; our experiences which lead to wisdom and evolution would ultimately count for nothing making existence so flawed as to be a sham.

Theoretically, if it were possible to go back and change the past all that would happen is that another time line would be created into a new future. The one left would still exist and the traveler would have to decide which of the two time lines to come back on, the new unknown future just initiated, or the one left which is exactly as when left.

As Billy has said in other words, movies like Terminator are based on a flawed premise. They also assume all time to be only a one path continuum upon which everything happens in sequence. It's arguably an extraordinary narrow and illogical way of perceiving the space-time universe.

Chris
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may I ask a question to help in my study?

I hope i am not interrupting a discussion here. This seems to be the only category I can place this under.

At what point of evolution did creation become self aware and intelligent?

I am seeking to find out if creation itself as a whole has an intelligence individual from that of evolved humankind? I am told that creation does not guide us, but I think that Semjase jas told us to trust in creation as though it is all knowing, therefore it seems to have an intelliogence other than the evolved human aspect of it.

i would like to study this further and seek advice on exactly where to look.
Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them!
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Hi Pathfinder in this link you can study the most important characteristics of the creation.http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeachings/Creation/tabid/93/Default.aspx

Creation is the immeasurable mystery suspended in immeasurable expanse.

Creation is identical to 'Universal Consciousness', which guides and prevails in the BEING of consciousness; it is a double-helix, egg-shaped configuration that simultaneously constitutes the Universe in its growing expansion. Its pulsating double-helix arms live as spiritual energy, while rotating against each other.
The Universe is Creation’s internal and external body.

Creation --- through its entirety pulsate the Universal 'Gemüt' (a non-translatable German term for the spiritual counterpart to the psyche) and the Universal Consciousness, the power of life and existence in general.

Creation pervades everything and everything pervades Creation, therefore forming oneness within itself. Within this oneness occur all life and all of the evolution allotted to it.

Creation has the identical developmental and evolutionary process as every life form, --- however, its values of time are anchored in very high values indeed.

Creation itself exists in a conscious creative state for seven Great-Times. --- Subsequently it lays dormant for an equal number of Great-Times, but this time they last seven times as long. Following this period, Creation is awake to create once again for a period seven times as longer once again than the previous one. (One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.)

Creation is The Creation and there exists no Creation other than it within its own Universe.

Creation is the Creation of all creations such as the Universe, the galaxies, stars, earths (earth is equivalent to 'planets' in this context), skies, light and darkness, time, space and all multitudes of life forms in existence, each according to its own species.

Creation is justice, love, strength, wisdom, knowledge, compassion, freedom, mercy, laws, directive, alliance, fulfillment, evolution, life, support, joy, beauty, peace, infallibility, equilibrium, spirit, forever, logic, growth, perfection, contentment, inexhaustibility, omnipotence, sweetness, infinity, solidarity, perception, harkening, elevation, the Sohar, gentleness, lucidity, purity, transformation, origin, future, power, reverence, allness and BEING.

Creation is the BEING and non-BEING of life. It is the most immense mass of spiritual energy in the Universe.

Creation is spirit in its purest form and immeasurable in its wisdom, knowledge, love and harmony in truth.

Creation is a spiritually dynamic, pure-spirit energy that prevails over everything. Incomprehensible for human beings, it is an active, creative wisdom in the midst of its own incessant evolution; it is all-encompassing for all times.

Creation is verity, the all-embracing, solace, comprehensiveness, guidance, equality, accuracy, cognition, empirical knowledge, admonition, discipline, recollection, revelation, praise, perfection, explanation and direction.

Creation is the path of life; it is nature, light, fire and contemplation; Creation is consciousness, and it is omnipresent.

Saalome

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