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Rarena
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Post Number: 350
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 01:43 pm: | 
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Scott,
After thinking more about your post above I realized you were asking about the voice, rather than the effect or result of it's message...
To me that perception we are attempting to convey is like a sound. And it was not until just now that I put together this activity as usually thought of as a sound... A *very* soft or fine voice in my case...
Getting past the electromagnetic clutter and spurious thoughts randomly generated by those less composed, makes it difficult to perceive...
Thank you again for pointing this out...
I for one, will pay closer attention to this...
as... the first... thought... |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 340
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 07:01 pm: |
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Hello Scott, and Warmest Greetings to All,
Thank you for Sharing, Scott. You are becoming more proficient in Your Intuition. The ability is an Important aspect of the Psychic Being arising from Creation Spirit, which IS the Fundamental Source of Each of Us, Defining the Spirit of "Human Being".
To Understand the Origin "and sense the process involved which allows this to occur." This may be described in one sense as Meditation-in-Activity, which is my definition of the meaning of ZEN. This is to be actively engaged with Life, and, simultaneously Open Within to a Greater Reality. The 'Voice' is Real, as are those Visions which some may receive by this same Awakened Mind.
Many years ago, during an introspective Period of my Life, I had the following Experience...:
During a State of Meditation, I found myself in a Vision, standing in an Endless Expanse of rolling green Grass. Over gently rolling Hills, the wind swirling the Grass like waves on the Ocean. I could see in the Distance, what seemed like a Sand-colored Wall, which stretched form Horizon to Horizon without End.
Curious, I approached the Wall, which loomed Taller as I got Nearer. Unscalable tall Wall, a hundred or more foot tall, following along the Hills as far in both directions as I could see. In the Wall before me, a Huge Door - Heavy, closed, and Locked with an Immense Lock.
The Thought came into my Mind, "How am I ever going to Open This Door?" Then, as it occurred to Me to look at my Hand, I saw that I was holding a Golden Key. Upon REALIZING that I held the Key, and looking back to the Door, the Door now stood Wide Open. I entered into a place of pure Light.
This is the Important Point, the Lesson I learned: We ALL Hold the Key. We always have it. All We have to do is ASK, and that Door is Opened.
Also to Thank You Hector, Shawn, Marcela, Rarena, Phenix, Shaban_1190, James, Syn, Reece, and Davidmg for Sharing what you have. Such sharing truly makes of Us a Community of Common Interests.
I recall a Tibetan Phrase used in Meditation = Om Mani Padme Hum. The meaning of This is = Hail [Honor] the Bright Shining Jewel of Intelligence [Spirit].
Let the Bright Shining Jewel light your Path, and there will be no Darkness over the next Hill.
In Peace, "Which Passes All Understanding"
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others,
Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 127
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 06:29 am: |
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I have been thinking alot about the Plejaren ancestors and the affect they have had on our history.
It occurs to me that the Ishwish and these higher evolved Plejaren, were not really much different than some of the tyrants that our own terran geneology has produced. The need for power and control and to be elevated above others seems to be a trait no matter what the stage of evolution then.
I am reading English cuts from some of the contact reports on the matter but I know there is much more available in german texts.
What concerns me, or should I say intrigues me, is the fact that I am under the impression that evolving includes an increase in spiritual ability and understanding, which cooresponds to a following of Creational laws and directives. This assumes that one who evolves becomes more at peace with creation, love, peace, brotherhood, etc.
So how is that these so called higher evolved humans seem every bit as materiaslistic and corrupt as us more primitive humans? in what way were they more evolved? Was it simp[ly their technological advancement?
can a race of humans evolve technologically without evolving spiritually at the same rate? I thought that to attain an evolved level of technology one would have to first reach a certain level of spirituality. I am having a little difficulty balancing this equation in my logic.
How could evolved beings have the desire for conquest and conquer and enslavement, if being evolved means understanding the truth of love and Creation?
Its probably a matter of timing and stages of evolution and the different ways that they have evolved compared to our own. But I guess it would be interesting to understand at what stage or spiritual understanding does man also become spaceborn, and become equipped with technological abilities which may be more than his evolved state can handle?
because it would seem that we are at that sort of a stage right now. But we know that we have been advanced their ahead of our time. What about the Plejaren? What was their rationale for abusing another race with their advanced state of evolution?
And of course this is exactly why they are reluctant to intercede and cause us to go through the same course of events, knowing we would certainly do the same if we had the technology to travel to other worlds ourselves.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 426
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 07:41 pm: |
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Hello Pathfinder,
in Your Post, You ask:["can a race of humans evolve technologically without evolving spiritually at the same rate? I thought that to attain an evolved level of technology one would have to first reach a certain level of spirituality."]
Humans may certainly evolve to very high levels of Technology without concurrent growth is Spiritual understanding. This would be the reason why Semjase has warned us that there are Marauding Space 'civilizations' - warriors - looking for conquest, Pirates, or other 'bad' types wandering through the far reaches of the Stars.
On the other side of the equation, there are, and HAVE been, also those Civilizations which have evolved to high levels of Spirituality, WITHOUT a concurrent growth in Technical capabilities. Some of these were among the Conquered ones, Murdered, Enslaved, taken over, or destroyed by some Marauding ones.
Therefore the need for a Balance in the growth of Material AND the Spiritual Values together.
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others,
Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Adysor
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Post Number: 118
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 06:52 pm: |
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Hi J_Rod,
I would think that through technology and science, the human being can develop a more spiritual approach on life as he understands how the universe works.
Adrian.
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 430
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 08:19 pm: |
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Hi Adrian,
Yes, that is a logical process, a concurrent progression of the Spiritual along with the understanding of the deeper physical sciences.
However, we have the example of our own progression here on Earth. The Science and Technology have out-run the Spiritual Understanding among us.
Carried to either extreme, then, are the the types of Civilizations which COULD develop, and as it appears, HAVE developed.
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others,
Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 05:14 pm: |
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Well, I understand that there are many races that are inclined to abuse their technological advantages.
Obviiously, these have not evolved spiritually though. my question pertains to those who after having evolved their spiritual skills, like the Plejaren, could then abuse creation and act against the laws.
i guess what I would like to know, is at what stage of spiritual evolution were the Plejaren ancestors when they established themselves on the earth as gods? Were these a group of Plejaren who may not have been as evolved as other Plejaren spiritually? at what point of spiritual evolution does one become peaceful and loving and non violent or power hungry?
We have so far to go!
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Adysor
Member
Post Number: 119
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 01:58 pm: |
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J_Rod,
"However, we have the example of our own progression here on Earth. The Science and Technology have out-run the Spiritual Understanding among us."
But I believe that is the natural way that human beings evolve(technologically or spiritually)...through the help of their sciences. Sciences bring knowledge and a deeper understanding of whatever they already know. What good is your spiritual evolution(however you define that) if you don't know how to make a fire out of a stick? What good is your spiritual evolution if you don't know how your own planet is functioning(and we don't know that yet fully). Isn't the human's purpose, according to Billy, to gather knowledge and understanding through a multitudes of lives? So in order to gather that knowledge, one needs technology. So I don't see anything bad with being more evolved technologicaly than spiritually, which I think is something natural.
Adrian.
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 137
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 04:11 pm: |
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Hi Adrian,
I am not so sure that i would agree with that.
There is probably spiritual powers and abilities that can accomplish particular things that would cancel out the need for a specific technology.
for instance, with regard to travel. once a spirit has learned and mastered the skill of teleportation, that would cancel out many of the technologies for travel.
and I am pretty sure that a powerful telepath can light a stick on fire.
Much of what we call technology will not be needed when we reach higher levels of spirituality and spiritual ability.
Science , in many instances, has been as bad as religion with regard to being short sighted and stubborn headed about certain claims. All science is based solely on numbers. How many hundreds of times an experiment results in one conclusion is compared to how often it fails under the same conditions.
look at the thalidimyde crisis. thats probably not spelled correctly.
the birth pill given in the 60s which rsulted in so many birth defects.
science was sure about that until they found out how wrong they were the hard way.
And how many drugs are being recalled today as they experiment with their technological advances?
if I had to choose between the ifs of science, and the certainty of the spirit, i would rather go with the spirit anyday.
I can easily envision a planet where the spirit life has evolved spiritually making use of spiritual skills which relinquish any need for technology at all.
they would farm the land and live in harmony with nature, and travel effortlessly via teleportation.
I do not have a problem with technological advancement, I just think that considering it as important as the spiritual aspect of evolution is a mistake. Technological to my way of thinking would be material, and we are taught that material is temporary and that we should place the emphasis and priority on the spiritual.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Kingman
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Post Number: 513
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 05:02 pm: |
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It is explained that the material consciousness will reach its 100%(prior to the AA level) before the spiritual consciousness, but not as a law, just in general.
There would most likely be a few critical epochs of evolution where even just a little to much of a lead by the material/technology evolution, over the spiritual growth, could set a stage for a catastrophic ending of a civilization. Maleona (asteroid belt) could be a potential example.
Our evolution on both aspects has had unique events effect its overly unbalanced condition for the worst. Not insurmountable, but if we don't vaporize our world and maintain an unbroken evolution to the AA level, without needing to drift/search for a suitable spiritually evolved planet, we will have a little something to share with the eventual reemergence with Creation that will be hard to top( Wow! Claiming bragging rights for us Earthworms already!)
Salome,
a friend in america
Shawn
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 435
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 05:49 pm: |
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Howdy Y'all,
Pathfinder,
["at what point of spiritual evolution does one become peaceful and loving and non violent or power hungry?"]
Well, there is no specific 'point' in the Evolution of any Culture. Even the Plejarens were at Civil Wars (off and on) among themselves from a period of more then 22-Million Years ago up until around 50,000-Years ago. Also were Wars with other Cultures, one of which caused the Explosion of their Home-Star in Lyra.
Adrian,
["Sciences bring knowledge and a deeper understanding..."]
Exactly, and True as far as it goes towards the Physical Material Universe. Consider that this does not necessarily lead to the Spiritual Knowledge and Understanding. Some Cultures even may have 'stumbled' into this Knowledge, then found that such Understandings had no application to their Lust for Power provided from Science and Technology.
On the other hand, certain Cultures have developed Knowledge in BOTH Material and Spiritual concurrently, then left the Technical Sciences behind (useful and used, but irrelevant) in the cause and pursuit of the Highest Spirit progress towards Creation. Very NOBLE, yet left them wide open to destruction, enslavement, and to be conquered by those of the Highest Technical Science capabilities.
["...don't see anything bad with being more evolved technologicaly than spiritually..."] No, nothing 'bad' here at all. This is WHY there must be a BALANCE in understanding of both the Material and the Spiritual Sciences.
There are signs that SOME People, who are working at the deeper levels of the Physical Sciences, are 'getting to it' - to an understanding of the interconnectedness of all Life and all Forces of the Universe, including the Spiritual.
Recommended to You is a Book entitled "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, = "The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe." Lynne McTaggart is an Investigative Journalist, who "presents the hard Evidence for what Spiritual Masters have been telling us for Centuries" (quote from Wayne W. Dyer). I would even venture that one of those Masters was Billy in a previous Incarnation.
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 02:59 am: |
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That is a HUGE if Shawn, given our present course and heading.
That is why I for one would like to see a little more action with regard to getting the truth out there to do battle against the deceit. I don't think time is going to be gentle with us. We seem to be intent on making our evolution as difficult and lengthy as possible.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 03:01 am: |
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jrod has a valid point.
The innocent are invariably victims.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Indi
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Post Number: 278
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 07:28 am: |
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Ed
you said:
for instance, with regard to travel. once a spirit has learned and mastered the skill of teleportation, that would cancel out many of the technologies for travel.
and I am pretty sure that a powerful telepath can light a stick on fire.
Much of what we call technology will not be needed when we reach higher levels of spirituality and spiritual ability.
In the model that Billy writes about, these 'abilities' that you mention, are not spiritual consciousness abilities but material consciousness abilities.
As our material consciousness expands, we learn to acquire new skills more easily, but have to start from scratch with each incarnation.
So, primary telepathy, telekinesis etc.. are skills of the material consciousness.
Robjna |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 10:00 am: |
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With regard to the concentration on the Pineal Gland for the purpose of increasing abilities do you think there is any carryover to the next life in regard to the size or usefulness of the gland or do we start from scratch with that also?
Matthew |
Thomas
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Post Number: 532
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 01:26 pm: |
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According to Mr Meier, Matthew, all abilities and skills must be relearned in the following life or lives since they are lost at death. So the answer to your question "No, there is no carryover." This is not to say that the info is lost though since everything without fail is stored in the storage banks.
Thomas |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 06:03 am: |
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Thomas, would you say that the pineal gland is purely physical and would the mentioned developed body part become part of genetics for said person's offspring?
Matthew |
Thomas
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Post Number: 537
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 11:18 am: |
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I would not only say that it is, but that would also be the reality. The pineal gland IS a purely physical structure, although it may or may not interact with non material matter. And yes, genetics are involved to some extent but I cannot say definitively to what extent... |
Rarena
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 11:03 am: |
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Hi Pathfinder,
Nice to meet you, my name is Randy... This is in answer to question 127 above which concerned the tyranny aspect of more advanced races...
From Contact 5 and Contact 9:
Natural barbarianism is okay if not degenerative... It is a necessary attribute for the continuation of the species. The problems begin when we thirst for might and power which we see our current (US)government doing right now... and those of us evolving at a slightly different rate...
We are becoming advanced technologically and spiritually yet there are still many... whom, due to some unrealized and false fantasy about themselves... require power and might to make themselves feel right...
As Lord Farquad in Schreck... eh eh... Obviously overcompensating for something...
We broke away from our ancestors and lost that wise guidance thousands of years ago... How very fortunate Billy came to help and live with us bringing us all "up with the tide" so to speak...
Aquarius, the water bearer... makes way for extreme change... which is good if it is based on truth... We have fallen so far from the true facts and fallen into degeneration more towards our wild/native selves within the gears of this "terra"-ible materialism purpetual motion machine of lies... many do not see or know the truth... nor do they want to hear it...
Don't bother me with the facts... my mind is already made up... eh eh...
Like Semjase told us... The people of Earth must concern themselves more with the finer matter or spiritual energy... rather than the courser denser matter or what we now call matter, such as posessions, obsessions and thing$. Which includes self agrandizement, false reputation, celebrity and noteriety. What kind of car you have what neighborhood you live in and how much you spent on some worthless embellishment to your status...
Let it be a lesson to us all... to know, even though these folks were evolved to a point of many thousands of years lifespan, no war for thousands upon thousands of years, very advanced technologically... and... under the guidance of an ISWH (perhaps incorrectly named...)they fell into the mercy of materialism and the unquenchable thirst for might and power...
It's that ancient milleneal old saying; about absolute power... |
Pathfinder
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 03:12 pm: |
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hi randy,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate hearing that. finally someone who is thinking along the same line as myself.
i think that experiencing our dark side is probably a necessity in being able to appreciate our good side and all a part of the evolutionary process. we have to make mistakes in order to learn from them.
but it disturbs me greatly to know that even after thousands of years of even higher evolution we are still at the risk of our dark sides. How high does this go?
is it possible that even the pure spirits can be corrupted and act in defiance of the laws of creation?
And can you imagine how much longer it will take for mankind to evolve as a whole if we do not use this new age opportunity while it is available?
I am glad that you put priority in semjase's lessons of the spirit Randy. I think it may be our only hope, the whole DNA thing and rebuilding of the storage banks or whatever it is that we restore as we rebuild our DNA.
Peace to you my friend.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Rarena
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Post Number: 369
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 07:53 pm: |
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Hi Pathfinder...
I think pure spirit remains uncorrupted.
Am unaware of DNA rebuilding.
New age opportunity?
Salome |
Thomas
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Post Number: 554
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 11:22 pm: |
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Randy is correct. The storage banks are never destroyed as long as the planet exists, and even if the planet IS destroyed, there exist larger scale versions of the storage banks which keep the info (such as galactic storage banks and the universal storage bank). |
Pathfinder
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 05:14 am: |
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Thomas,
It sounds like you thought I meant destroyed when I talked about corruption, that is not correct, I was talking about the pure spirits becoming bad.
With regard to the restructuring of DNA Randy,
That is the whole idea of the peace meditation. The Plejaren have revealed to us a fault in our DNA structure, which I think was caused by our decilne into deceit and not using our spiriutal abilities, much like the shutdown of the pineal gland from lack of use. This fault in our DNA has something to do with some sort of light/energy strand that is no longer connected. And because of this we do not add to the storage banks the way that we should be which also diminishes our evolutionary ability. Note that the cause of this disconnection may also be related to a deliberate act by some ET. I cannot recall exactly.
the cure for this, suggested by the BEAM and the Plejaren, is meditation, where we apply our spiritual abilities and slowly begin to rebuild that DNA strand again, which in turn will add to rebuilding the storage banks.
I never said the storage banks could be destroyed or were, I said that they were lacking in knowledge to be used in reincarnations for evolution, and neede to be rebuilt, strengthened, in order to become more beneficial to our evolution. especially in this new age where that possibility is magnified.
this is supposed to be the goal of the salome Peace meditation every week. It is mankind's effort to strengthen the storage banks, and at the same time rebuild that disconnected DNA strand that is limiting our spiritual ability.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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