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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1663
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 04:46 pm: | 
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Hi Marcela,
If I understand your meaning that we again re-experience material life after joining with Creation when Creation awakens again, this is incorrect. The material life only happens once during the first awake period of the Creation. After this first period of awake and sleep, there will no longer exist the material universe as we know it presently.
Regards
Scott |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 75
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 07:06 pm: |
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Scott:
Really? I didn't know that. So, after Creation goes to sleep for 7 great periods, then material life doesn't come into existence again? Than, is there a second period of awakeness? and so on...? Thank you for the comment, though...
Salome
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1664
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:04 pm: |
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Hi Marcela,
After the Creation sleeps for the amount of time it was previously awake, it will then be awake for a period of 7 times longer than its previous awake existence. This second awake period will consist of a finer spiritual energy than its first existence with no material belt. You really really need to read the spiritual terminology section 
Scott |
Marcela
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:44 pm: |
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Scott:
I must confess that I read about Creation’s cycle on the “Questions to Billy”; I just started with the contact notes as well, so I am very aware of my ignorance… This is why I am participating on the Forum, to find new windows of knowledge.
Salome
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Marcela
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:58 pm: |
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...I also read about Creation on the FIGU web site:
Creation itself exists in a conscious creative state for seven Great-Times. --- Subsequently it lays dormant for an equal number of Great-Times, but this time they last seven times as long. Following this period, Creation is awake  to create once again for a period seven times as longer once again than the previous one. (One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.)
So, I thought Creation creates everything again: galaxies, planets, which doesn’t make sense anyways, because it would be too repetitive. Creation creates again, but something completely different. I think that detail should be added to the explanation…
Salome
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Cpl
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Post Number: 410
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 12:01 am: |
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Dear hunter,
"Mankind is not a whole unless you count the individuals of it. And it is the interaction of those individuals that make us whole, not their isolation. Mankind is not 5 billion single people all going their own way. Mankind is a concerted effort of those 5 billion people..."
We can each only live the life of one person at a time. Live that one righteously and the other 5 billion may follow in righteousness.
"Would you be willing to step in front of a bullet to save my life if we were close friends and you loved me?"
The issue here is how to stop the bullet not who should be sacrificed. I could just as easily tackle you or knock you down so the bullet misses you. All life is sacrosanct; none should therefore be sacrificed. Sacrifice was the propaganda of religions and states because it made a subjective populace willing to follow and accept their "leaders". It still permeates our societies around the globe for obvious reasons in the fields of military politics and religion.
"What if we were on a crashing plane with only one parachute, and you chose to save yourself in this instance and leave me to plummet to my death?
I'd think. And probably I'd insist the parachute be strapped on the back of the biggest fellow (maybe) and then the other be tied around him. The parachute would be sufficient to take our combined weight because I and another weigh no more than many big guys, and if not, the one could be set free nearer the ground perhaps over water or trees to give a greater chance of survival while the other comes down in the usual manner. Don't give up; save both.
"Free will should not be an excuse to make mistakes so we can learn from them to evolve. The fact that we learn from them is vital to evolving but does one really have to have jumped off of a tall building at some time in his incarnations to evolve?"
Absolutely. The errors and disasters will come if they will. That's just life. No one should ever walk into them or create them knowingly. The only tall building ever needing jumping off is the decision to be born here. Such decisions to enter the realms of tears ends there, and even there the focus is on ones positive evolution.
"If, as some say, creation is merely the continuing evolution of an energy that began long ago, and that all aspects of it are worthy of experience for the process, and that evolution progresses even in the midst of 'anti-love', than exactly what is it that I am supposed to revere?
Anti-love and the other negatives you cite are not to be revered. They are examples of people going the wrong way on their journey. Remember they will one day, even if it be the distant future, get it right. What is to be revered is the reverent: Creation, love, and all good things that lead on to higher, better and greater evolution of the spirit and all good Creational qualities. The grand scale evolution continues despite anti-love not because of or through it.
"Am I to revere the raping of an innocent child because it is one with creation? Am I to rever the annihilation of a planet's inhabitants through a cosmic disaster because that is just part of the creational process?"
The raping of an innocent child is not an act at one with Creation. It is completely against Creation. A cosmic disaster is just the way things happen, not something to be revered and certainly not to be encouraged by humans (I only mention this because of the "reasoning" in your posts). All of those inhabitants will eventually continue in their evolution and development and the "time lost" means nothing, because it is nothing, to the spirits involved.
"What you are basically saying is that one must take the good with the bad, as though the bad can be something good if we learn from it.
Mankind has no choice but to take the bad with the good if the bad comes, and in the realms of time, space, and matter, bad will come. It comes with the territory. The bad is not good, but it is much worse if it is not learned from. No one here is appeasing the bad. But it is a truth that the bad will one day end and the good will triumph; and those that have done bad will one day learn to do good.
"What I am saying is that learning it is not healthy to sit next to a pile of crap is natural, but that doesn't make the experience good or suggest that we all need to try it to find out. Just because something exists in creation doesn't mean that it is something that should be experienced to evolve."
Of course. Did anyone suggest otherwise?
"So, would you kill me in order to learn from that mistake for the sake of evolution, and would you suggest that one must experience that mistake to learn and evolve? I do not think that is what you would say, but in reality that is what is being taught here subliminally as I see it."
No, of course not. There is no pre-written script of negatives outside of cause and effect one must experience in order to evolve. No one is going to experience all things. It is not necessary to have an omniessence of experience in order to evolve. Potential experiences are infinite; those actually experienced, though vast in the span of time are finite. So it is good to make them the best we can and evolve on in goodness, love, understanding, wisdom, and all Creational qualities we are evolving towards.
"It is not there in creation for some reason, and yet it exists within the spirit of man and is an essential to our development. Love is unique from every other thing in creation, and it alone can evolve a man to higher levels of spirituality.
In one sense Creation is a vast sea of highly evolved spirits so it makes no sense to say love is in the spirit but not in Creation. Creation never sacrifices anything. Sacrifice is death; Creation is life.
To comment on Earthling's post presumably originally by Krishmnamurti on love.
"Q: Whatever you say, I feel that the only way for humanity to survive is to bring about a change in the heart -- and that is Love.
A: No, not at all, because love implies division, separation....
It is a carnal form of love that implies division and separation. True, pure love is unity and the ending of separation in unity and oneness.
Sincerely,
Chris |
Creational
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 12:24 am: |
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Dear Rod,
As you wrote about the synchronicity of the psyche, I was writing my post to Scott. How can anyone miss these connections?
Salome
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 292
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 05:22 am: |
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Its a little difficult to keep up with all the different variations here so I hope I address them all as I think on this matter.
Regarding selfless love;
By that I meant specifically what I referred to in the original post, speaking about self sacrifice being the ultimate form of love.
In other words you are all saying that creation is love, and that we should all strive to love, and those words sound good when you speak them, but when you are confronted with their reality you become tongue-tied, and the words suddenly lose their meaning.
Creation is love, you keep saying. Well what does that mean besides sounding nice?
My point is that love must be defined, and not merely spoken as a beautiful word. Saying we must all love each other means nothing if you are only concerned about your own personal spiritual evolution. And please don't twist my words to sound like a personal insult just to avoid the topic. This is not meant as an insult to anyone, but as my observation of what is being taught here.
I cannot see the love that is spoken of when you say Creation is love, when in the next sentence you speak of being only responsible to evolving your own spirit.
By selfless love I am defining what love actually means, and suggesting that unless one is willing to sacrifice that responsibility to oneself for the the welfare of another instead, than there is no love.
It is a simple question I put to each one of you:
If it was necessary to kill me in order for you to progress your own spiritual evolution would you-
a) kill me for the sake of evolution
b) refuse to kill me because your love prevents you from killing
Each of you will say that evolution would not ask that of you in the first place, but the point is that, IF it did, would you sacrifice yourself for another instead? That is love.
And that is what I see missing when we talk about allowing, and/or tolerating, unrighteousness for the sake of evolution.
If evolving means that I should stand by while an innocent child is raped because the rapist needs to learn the mistake of his deeds, or the child needs to learn how to cope with unjust brutailty, than I shall never evolve. And if this is the creation that you speak of, than creation is not love.
As I said, love is unique in creation, and is therefore over and above all other element of it. Love is not bound to the laws and directives of creation, because those laws and directives are derived from it. They do not have authority over love any more than the creation has authority over its originator.
And this seems to be the key to the problem here. None of you are acknowledging the originator of the creation you say is love. The teaching here suggests that creation is one with its maker. There is no recognition of the fact that something came first.
I know some of you cringe at this because it sounds religious and you will use that to try to dispel what is being said. But I am not promoting the worship of a God, I am suggesting that until one recognizes that there is a mystery behind, and responsible for creation, than one will not understand the dynamic of love within this creation.
Even Billy and/or Semjase has alluded to this mystery as an 'effect of creation', without which, nothing else functions.
Something is missing in your analogies and your representations, and I think that your efforts to evade the 'originator' of creation by putting the creation before the maker, the egg before the chicken, is causing this imbalance between, what you say love is, and what we all know love is supposed to be.
The balance that I speak of is the balancing of unrighteousness against righteousness, love against hate, selfishness against selflessness. Good and evil, where evil is anything that acts void of love.
Laws are not necessary to define what is right and wrong. There are certain elements of life, and the living of it, that are felt within the soul of the spirit, that simply inform us of what is right and wrong. That is where true love is born. It is a mysterious spiritual force, energy, power, element, that resides in the spirit and binds us to the real creation/creator that is being overlooked here.
And it is not just another fragment of creation, like a rock or a tree or an animal or any other material thing, but it is a spiritual thing that is holy above all other things in the universe and is relative only to man.
I do not see it in creation, but only in the hearts of man. This mystery we call love is considered whining by some who do not care to understand it, but it is the highest priority of creation and evolution, so if I praise it and cry out for it, and someone hears only a whine, than that would be my definition of the opposite of love, and the destabilizing attitude that creates the evils that challenge mankind.
Hold on a second while I wipe the tears from my eyes Mike.
Sincerely,
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1665
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 05:33 am: |
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Hi Marcela,
I agree with you, it is not clear in regards to the material universe. Thanks for pointing that out. I know there is so much information to absorb.
Regards
Scott |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 293
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 05:37 am: |
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Chris,
You wrote,
"It comes with the territory. The bad is not good, but it is much worse if
it is not learned from. No one here is appeasing the bad. But it is a
truth that the bad will one day end and the good will triumph; and
those that have done bad will one day learn to do good."
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This is the problem I have with these teachings in a nutshell.
The tolerance of evil while we wait for good to come from it later.
I suggest that love would mean confronting it now, while you are building the character you have now, not leaving it to another life and some future state of evolution.
My whole premise is that if we are responsible for making ourselves better people, evolving our spirits, enhancing our moral character; than why are we going to put that off to some possible future opportunity, with the excuse that we know it will get better later?
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 396
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 10:05 am: |
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Hi Pathfinder, Hunter, Edward, etc. etc etc...
To become one, to become whole, holy means everyone has to be on the same page... Until that happens... there will be evil.
Salome,
Be greeted in peace and wisdom
Randy ô¿ô
PS> If making mistakes is how we learn... and by learning from our mistakes, we evolve... then... should we really call them mistakes? |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 81
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 01:24 pm: |
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Scott and everybody:
As a final thought, I just wanted to say that it is awesome to know we (our spirits) will live forever through countless lives and then as a unit with Creation. We never disappear, we transform… ,but never cease to exist. Now we know, we’ll experience the future through reincarnation.
Salome
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 294
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 04:24 pm: |
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Marcela,
That depends on how you define "WE" !
If the WE you are talking about is you, than by these teachings YOU will have no idea what the future you will be experiencing.
So everything that you will accomplish in this life will not be available to you in the form of any attainment, it will only be able to be appreciated by creation. you are just a tool that it uses to evolve itself.
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1666
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 09:13 pm: |
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Hunter,
You seem to have something to say about everything anybody says on this forum. What do you have to offer? Just more questions, and comments. From my perspective everyone is trying to understand and piece together why we are here and the nature of the situation we find ourselves in. I think your playing little head games and enjoy picking apart what people say. Maybe you look at some of the people here as ripe for the picking? You know the thing about this type of behavior is eventually people will ignore you and will not give you the attention which you seek. |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 82
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 09:26 pm: |
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Pathfinder:
I was talking about WE –humans. Our spirits will reincarnate into a new personality, but we will be born again with our comprehension consciences block which records what we do in this life. That we take with us into the future. We are what we do in every life, and we will be what we are doing now. That’s why it is very important to live a righteous life, because then in our next life we’ll be able to benefit from the seeds we plant in previous lives. I m not going to experience the future as "Marcela", but my next personality can benefit from what I am learning right now. That is how we evolve, with our CCB and our spirit. If I am getting this wrong, feel free to correct me…
Salome
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Schantz
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 11:13 pm: |
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Patheticfinder,
You seem to be an authority on nothing. |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 295
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 01:20 am: |
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Scott,
Why would you say something like this? Why isn't what I have to say as much of an offering as anyone else here? I am offering my understanding and thinking out looud just the same as you and the rest are doing. I don't understand your sudden rebuke.
Marcela,
I have a feeling that this will be kicked to another thread but when you speak of your future incarnations you cannot speak of it as we or you for they will be completely separate identites from what I understand from this teaching. Which is why I am having a difficult time being able to accept all of it. The only thing in the next life that will be you, will be whatever knowledge that is taken from you and stored at death. That knowledge will be in ability and information form only, not in any recognition of who you now are.
Anyone can correct me if I am wrong.
So what I mean to say is that in the next incarnations one cannot really say that we are alive, or even our spirits, at least not the way I define my spirit; what carries on into the next life is nothing of WE,US, YOU, ME, just a bunch of the books that we have gathered from the library of this life.
I do not agree with this however. I don't know if Billy could add something to this dilemma that would help in further clarification, but to the degree that I am able to understand it, it does not coincide with how I view my eternal spirit.
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 296
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 01:35 am: |
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Scott and Schantz,
I don't know why the sudden hostility toward me. You're right, I am an authority on nothing. These are my thoughts out loud which is exactly what every post is here from everyone else.
Schantz, I do not think we have even ever made remarks to each other yet, and here you are acknowledging me as some kind of authority. Why have you suddenly become agitated with me? Do you dislike my putting my thoughts out here?
And Scott, what will you be moderating if you will have noone place their thoughts on this board for discussion?
This is certainly strange that by my discussing these issues with people here, it continues to draw resentment from those who are here doing exactly the same thing that I am doing. What causes you to suddenly react this way? And why do you have to even say what you think with personal ridicule when you do it?
The only thing I can take from your response and attitude toward me is that unless everyone has the same understanding as you and never questions what you believe,you will become agitated with them.
I have seen this often from many here. The archives show this happening continuously. What is it about someone questioning the philosophies of one's life that causes them to become frustrated?
Patheticfinder? Are you really here trying to learn how to love your fellowman and how to be a more spiritual individual? You do not sound very friendly to me. This is practically the only post I have seen or heard from you, and yet Scott asks what I have to offer?
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 397
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 07:15 am: |
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Hey... Folks...Would you say this is a bit more of an example of spiritual life in everyday life?
Author: Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier
Translator: Vibka
Goblet of Truth, Section 3:
126) However, you who know about the truth of the origin (Creation), be reverentially (deferential) in your knowledge and watch that death does not overtake you in apostasy of the truth.
(apostasy: departure from one's religion or cause. RRA)
127) And everyone, all, keep firmly to the rope of the teachings of the truth, and in no way be at strife with one another, neither in the existence with each other nor in the interpretation (interpretation) of the teachings of the truth, the teachings of the spirit, the
teachings of the life
128) Think always of the grace (favour / mildness) of the laws and commandments of the origin (creation), when you obey them; thus also think of the grace (favour / mildness) which you should give to those which are called your enemies, so that from hostility true friendship comes; join together in love and find understanding (understanding) for each other, so that you become like brothers and sisters and pay attention and protect each other.
129) Do not bring yourself to the edge of a fire pit by hostility, but protect yourself from it, so that you do not plunge into one and burn unrecognizability due to your hatred and your lust for revenge; fulfil clearly and plainly the laws and commandments of Creation(Creation)and of the appearance (nature) as they are taught to you by the true prophets, on that you are lead correctly.
130) And watch that there be among you a growing community of your kind (fellow-humans), who invite to the teachings of the truth, the teachings of the spirit,the teachings of life and to the good, and who motivate (teach) the right and bar the wrong , so that you may
enjoy yourselves.
131) And do not become ambivalent and not in any way and for any reasons be at strife with one another, but take the clear evidence of the prophets and live in love with each other, thus you do not load any punishment on yourselves. |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:49 am: |
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Pathfinder,
You want to prove many here wrong but the thing is, you don't even understand them, as you show with so many incorrect interpretations.
Feel free to expose your opinions and doubts, but don't go on rants against what you perceive some positions to be, especially when there not even a basis for it.
It seems to me like your are preventing yourself from doing any real reflection, by presenting your thoughts in this manner.
No need to share your inner turmoil with us, just present either opinions or doubts, not this weird mix.
It looks like there is no communication ocurring and you are just exteriorizing an inner conflict.
David |
Cpl
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Post Number: 411
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 09:22 am: |
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Dear Pathfinder,
"This is the problem I have with these teachings in a nutshell.
The tolerance of evil while we wait for good to come from it later.
I (I cannot speak for others here but suggest they would most likely generally agree) do not just tolerate any evil I may find in myself or another. When in others I can do in goodness what I can to eradicate it, but the truth of reality is that it is in practice somewhat difficult to eradicate negatives in others. This does not mean, though, that we do not try in whatever way we can to overcome all evil. It is just that despite this, a degree of consolation, for what it is worth, can come from realizing that one day others will learn from the errors of their ways and finally get it right. This helps people not get too overly depressed at the ever present evil we are all working hard at overcoming in one way or another.
"I suggest that love would mean confronting it now, while you are building the character you have now, not leaving it to another life and some future state of evolution.
Exactly. Do you think we think any differently? It does, of course, depend upon what evil one is speaking of. There are of course, infinite varieties. For some, talking or counseling may be sufficient, for others a life of example, and still others enforcement of some kind, like incarceration. At other times all ones efforts may be to no avail.
"My whole premise is that if we are responsible for making ourselves better people, evolving our spirits, enhancing our moral character; than why are we going to put that off to some possible future opportunity, with the excuse that we know it will get better later?"
Exactly. Don't we all agree with you, here? We do it now. Always have.
No one here is going to be able to define love for you. Poets have been trying for thousands of years and have never succeeded. Personally I enjoy James definition of love as the six heart frequencies of appreciation, understanding, compassion, forgiveness, humility and valor; and that where these are found, there is love, and where there is love there is at least one of these qualities in action.
A lot of what you say about love is, of course, true. The highest love, however, is not sacrifice. There is always an element of mental defeat in sacrifice. I put it to you that if you really loved someone and the feeling was mutual you would do all in your power to overcome sacrifice. The other party will feel just as bad about losing you as you will about losing them. How could either of you then accept the sacrificial proposition? If someone said to me "It's you or your wife," I'd challenge their proposition to the bitter end. How can I allow someone to rob either me or my wife of the person they love more than any other in the world? There is no glory in sacrifice; it is just an unmitigated disaster that has to be overcome; and if it can't be you go down trying, not in sacrifice but focusing on life -- both lives. "I'll sacrifice myself for you," is nothing more than a defeatist response, and actually allowing or surrendering to evil, if not a falsely inflated ego if the decision is not from the heart.
We have a heart and a head. It is generally better to use both. If one does not present the answer, use the other. Perhaps part of your present toil in this forum is that you are posting heart issues where there is often a preponderance of the head. There's an issue of different personality types (heart or head) here which often results in communication misunderstandings. The heart type can find the head type very cold and unfeeling, while the head type finds the heart type overly emotional. Take heart and heads up, the bridges can be built.
For me, the highest love in human relations is when a couple co-create with Creation, in love, a new baby that carries within it a spark of the greatest love that is, and displays that love more than those that gave it birth.
The human spirit wondrous though it is is but a spark of Creation's love.
If you do not see love in Creation you do not understand Creation. Creation could be said to be all the love (the pure form not mere sentimentality) within all the hearts of all the people ever to have existed in the universe and yet more; and of the highest form, for countless spirits of the greatest love have gone on beyond us into Creation.
The other point I would make is that you seem to be putting love above Creation or as its Creator. I could understand you equating love with Creation but by definition nothing is above Creation. Love is of the eternal mystery of Creation, but it cannot by definition be above Creation any more than love can be above love.
"If it was necessary to kill me in order for you to progress your own spiritual evolution would you-
a) kill me for the sake of evolution
b) refuse to kill me because your love prevents you from killing
Each of you will say that evolution would not ask that of you in the first place, but the point is that, IF it did, would you sacrifice yourself for another instead? That is love.
It is not that evolution would not ask this; it is an anti-life, anti-evolution statement of complete impossibility. There is and can be no "if" here. You might just as well ask, "If you had to destroy Creation in order to evolve would you?" It is meaningless even as a hypothetical question and cannot be answered.
Sacrifice is not love, it is surrender to the acceptance or evil of killing. In this case oneself. It makes no difference whether it is oneself or another, it is still evil to take life unnecessarily and therefore to just let life be taken at the command of another.
As I said there is much that I agree with you on. But these points need be made.
Sincerely,
Chris |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 06-2008
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Pathfinder:
Ok, I understand your point of view. We really can’t say WE, ME, YOU, but the spirit. However, I think that what makes us humans, our essence is the spirit form that exists in our material bodies, and every human has one. So when we die, we become Creational energy. So that little iota of Creation reincarnates again into a new ME. It is complicated, but I like to say my spirit. Like Jmmanuel’s prayer…
Salome
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 297
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 09, 2009 - 03:38 am: |
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Marcela,
Just so you know, I think more along the line as you do. What I am saying is that if we go by the teaching that these people here are professing, and if it is an accurate representation of what Billy has taught them, than I am having a problem digesting that because I feel that there is something amiss in losing our identity in this reincarnation process.
To my thinking if our spirits are so boundless and evolvable, love so much a part of the whole question, and the goal to improve our selves, how can a better improved me be an improvement if I do not even know who I am in the next incarnation. I think this is a mistake or a misunderstanding. I like to think the way you do. And I know that it is not what I think that is important but what is actual truth, however none of this reincarnation is proven so it is still open for thought and debate.
And my thought is that my identity does not die with my body. What I am is more than mere flesh and blood and everything that I manage to become in this life enhances my spirit, enhances me, not just a pool of information records to be stored for creation, but a personal treasure that my spirit will hold forever, as ME.
When and if I evolve to some higher state of spirituality I will be Me when I get there and all that I have learned and experienced will be with me.
So then if this is true, why can't I remember the me from past lives then?
Well there may be something to this whole regressive memory thing, maybe we do start with a clean slate, and have to trigger the learned experiences to be able to access them, but my spirit is still the me I was before, the same spirit.
And for this reason I cannot accept that while we are being processed we are unaware and simply a notebook of information for creations raping.
There must be more to this processing period than is realized here, more to the retaining of a persons identity, and it is rooted in the fact that there is an originator that has created this mystery revolving around life, death and the whole origin of creation and we fit into to it.
This whole mystery and the fact that the spirit plays such a vital role in our love and experience of life, tells me that there is more to our identity than being a simple harddrive for creation.
Hunter
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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