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    J_rod7 Member Post Number: 876 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Schantz, My apologies to YOU, if I have offended you in any way. Tachyon, I found that the books written by Dr. Wolf are in the hands of a few collectors. It is the collectors which are asking the steep price, not anyone who represents Dr. Wolf's estate. It is the same with the Message from the Pleiades series. If you can find anyone willing to part with them, you would pay from $300 to $500 for the set now. I would accept $1000 as a first bid for my set. Michael, I think there are hidden motives on both sides of such early exchanges. I don't Know if we'll really understand the motives of ETs which would enter agreements with a corrupt government. Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Michael, I was listening to your interview on a radio show, spririt of film,with Randall Rivero on the Seventh Wave Network. I wanted to enquire about something that you mentioned about possible involvement of ET'S assisting some countries against the USA as the world turns against the USA because of it's world wide aggression. Could you elaborate on this, as to your source, and any other information. Thanks, Peace to you Matt B. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rod, Thanks but no apologies needed. I would like to highly recommend and promote this link to everyone here on the forum. You don't need to spend $225.00 and the article is hilarious. Here is one example. "Let’s also give a dishonorable mention to Alfred Webre, who, along with Salla and Bassett, unashamedly promotes the completely unsubstantiated (to say nothing of illogical and moronic) notion that there are “benevolent extraterrestrials walking among us”. That’s right, ETs are strolling around everywhere, presumably taking a vacation from eons of boring, peaceful existence and traveling in space (and perhaps even time) in order to enjoy our overpopulated, polluted, warlike, greedy, self-destructive world, which is obviously amply populated by fools and idiots, with too much time on their hands, who invent such scenarios." http://www.theyfly.com/Exopolitics.htm | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1264 Registered: 02-2000 |
I read & dumped Wolfs book of fiction many years ago. Another bogus story. I couldn't even finish it. Its always paraded by the people that are dying to believe in the Greys. My Website | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 03-2007 |
Redbeard, I suggest you read chapter 25 titled The Prophecy in the Talmud Jmmanuel. There is further talk of this in the contact notes, possibly contact 251, though I'm not sure at the moment. I don't think the USA is mentioned specifically but they refer to the west which probably includes the USA. Michael may have more specific information than what I provided. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 10-2000 |
J_rod7, I don't think that playing games with any country's military is either the goal of any ET visitors, nor is there any logic to it. A hostile group with the technology an advanced race would possess has ZERO need for agreements in order to carry out whatever agenda they may have. Being employed underground in the dessert, by a country bent on world domination itself, seems ludicrous, unnecessary and, again, illogical. Redbeard, That should be in the Henoch Prophecies, linked from my site. Schantz, I have really riled up this pack of idiots, who obstruct the truth more effectively than the skeptics ever did. At some point I may post some email exchanges with some of them at my site for further amusement. Michael Horn | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings, it is nice to see that there are two sides to a coin but let us not also forget the third which at times not expected stalls which side the coin should lay. for me this third side is what makes this world still a good place to live in despite all the negativities. there exist freedom of choice for everyone although not that obvious for a very large number yet and despite some machinations. the length of time said coin will stand on its third side and fall flat towards the Truth requires a lot of effort/time/gathering of knowledge/logical thinking/acting out of wisdom/sifting through debris of (mis)information/continually weighing the reason only within one's ownself. maybe for some, the aid of any gurus/teachers/pastors/elders/pharishees/scribes/prophets/priests has now become unnecessary, as also Billy would not want to be so. it is only now it could be seen from some on this forum but not for the eons past. but it has to be accepted also that there is also a number , including me, in this forum who are still in the "believing stage" and who has to realize for ourselves what are on both sides of the coin yet. to limit our scope of vision only towards the Truth as Billy has it and be prevented, even with able bodied cordon sanitaire, from seeing the "false", which may or may not be that obvious to us yet ignorant as we are, IMO seemed to be beyond logic. highlighting with conviction, ones understanding of an issue, which ever side it is, is very much welcome though. Billy has told us truth of certain incidents. good for us. but he also told us not to believe. we have to know by ourselves applying logic. and others may not as well be ready for them without having someone make them realize where they are presently having their mud bath. Billy's materials were first shown to me thru Randi's videos and only came to realize much later that it is not authorized but it has served its purpose for me. still here searching for as much knowledge as can be made available within my own time limitations. Jun | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 877 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hey Yo Norm, Which book was that? The Greys are real, as we all know. We should not dismiss other reports of their contacts "out-of-hand," as it were. It seems they have come an incredibly long way just to see "what we are made of." So other agendas of theirs are not beyond possibilities, as are also being disclosed. ... Billy discusses the Greys in numerous bulletins and readers questions. Here are but two extracted...::: "Although it is true that beings, whom we call Little Greys, make their appearance during these examination contacts, most of the associated testimonials are pure fabrications and arise from fear and other conditions within the people involved. In any case, the Little Greys are not the terrible creatures mass fear construes them to be. These aliens are small, have an insectlike appearance because of their large, slanted eyes, and are covered by grayish skin. The hysteria that surrounds them is completely unfounded, however, although they do occasionally examine terrestrials." --- Billy From: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_007 "Over the past decades, ‘abductions’ of terrestrials by extraterrestrials did indeed take place. However, these ‘abductions’ must not be considered as such and should be called examination contacts instead. Therefore as contacts whereby the extraterrestrials take terrestrial beings, women and men, into their flying objects and examine them --- they explore them. Generally speaking, these actions take place with good intentions and are performed purely for purposes of becoming familiar with the anatomy and other particulars of terrestrials. So I say that we should not dismiss the other reported contacts so lightly." --- Billy (Emphasis added /rod) From: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002#.E2.80.98Little_Greys.E2.80.99 We also know that these "little Greys" have NOT been the only ones coming to Earth. Others, as which Semjase tells Billy, are beyond the ability of even the Plejarens to monitor in their activities. Please do your own search into this. It's become a little tedious for me to guide you to waters of knowledge in these areas. I get tired of the back-bitting. It seems when I introduce "NEW" information here, I get attacked as if I were some heretic, from the Inquisitors guarding the gates of the Forum. No names, you know who you are (apologies will be accepted). In truth, the Truth IS out there. Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1760 Registered: 12-1999 |
Questions to Billy Jan 28, 2008 Dear Billy Could you please describe "aliens" called "greys"? Are they human race?, how long do they live?, where do they come from?, are they hostile to us? Do they work with Plejarans? What is their level of spiritual evolution? I know i should ask only one question, so maybe i ask : What do you know about them and what can you tell us about "greys"? Thank You Solar Billy knows that the “entities” called Greys can be traced back to bioorganic androids, and most probably they look differently than the pictures that are disseminated worldwide. Billy never saw those entities himself. So if the "Greys" who crashed at Roswell were androids and the Betty and Barney Hill Case did not occur as previously stated, and the Plejarens were initially mistaken regarding Betty and Barney Hill, how can we say with any degree of certainty the "Greys" even exist? I still am not convinced this is not some form of mass Hysteria generated by those either seeking attention, or who are delusional in their thinking, or some type of orchestrated effort to keep people in the dark about the true nature of beings outside of our solar system. | ||
Villatlf Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2009 |
Jun, Nice to think the coin has three sides. Perhaps it is not a coin, it is a sphere with multiple sides, one for each human being; with each unique experience each one of us has a different point of view. And from my side of the sphere, living in a South America Country I may say that if I only trust what I see in the TV, I could say the ETs are mainly greys. Why most of the America UFO TV programs (I am not sure about European which I can not watch), show grey ETs only? In my country, Colombia, I have talked with real people having what I think are real experiences and they never say anything about greys. They describe them as humans, probably a bit different, nicer, but humans. Sometimes they describe little metallic bottle shaped robots, but ETs are mainly humans. I am not saying that I think the greys do not exists, I think they are real, but not the evil ugly guys that some TV programs show to us. That means to me that instead of watching too much TV, or reading too much “points of view” about ETs, and instead of watching out from the sphere, I rather look inside the sphere to find the truth. Nice debate for a rookie like me. Thanks Francisco | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 06-2008 |
Here is a 3.44 minute YouTube clip describing an encounter with Greys by 62 African schoolchildren & their teacher. Reliable witnesses ? .... you be the judge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4uWVn9s4SE Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 878 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Best greetings to All In Peace, Salaam 'Alaykum Interesting thing about the Coin: I have flipped coins many times, as has everyone else I'm sure. Once, I actually had a coin flipped, land on a table, spun round and round, and finally stopped spinning standing on it's edge - where it stayed standing at attention. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't flipped it and then seen it with my own eyes. So perhaps we could say: There are MORE than two sides to every story. Back in the 1960's, I enlisted in the US Navy. After graduating from Electronics 'A' School, and before moving on to Nuclear Power School, I went through Radar Electronics School (by which earned my promotion to the next higher pay-grade). While working with one of the Navy's newer Radar units one day, we observed a contact on screen come from the North over Canada traveling SSE at an estimated 4600-Knots at 78,000 Ft above Lake Superior. Tracked the contact a distance about 380-miles when it veered due East at a point South from Chicago, still at 4,600-Knots then it lit off at greater than 8,000 Knots climbing. The Radar Unit checked out just find before and afterwards, so "nuthin' was broke." The Base commander told us all to keep it to ourselves (but we weren't "sworn to secrecy" about it). This was before the Aurora or TR-3B Programs, and the SR-71 can't make such a turn, So WHO, WHAT, W & W do ya 'spose it was? I don't think it was "ours." Hmmmm? You didn't get this from me, even though it came in under my "username." Shhhh. Keep the Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2006 |
Here's the info Michael mentioned- www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm#henoch And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality. And here is what the Talmud has to say- Chapter 25 verse 33. "If at that time mighty nations were not to intervene, as once did the celestial sons, to bring a halt to the unrestrained madness and deadly conduct of demented dictators, truly, I tell you, no human being would survive. Peace to the Planet Matt B. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 594 Registered: 07-2004 |
The term, "bioorganic androids", suggests that these "Greys" Billy refers to are created by someone. If that is the case, then these "Greys" are merely doing what they are programmed to do as an android. Making deals with a government, as many reports claim, seems improbable as a job description. Unless maybe if the vibrations of the ET's involved were to intense to meet face to face with an Earth human and had the androids do the meeting. But as Michael Horn suggested that the idea of a superior race coming here from light years away and having to negotiate with a human race that can't even fly safely to a neighboring star, just seems illogical, and I think the same. But, I can't say there isn't anything to these beings. Something is there. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Jonzie New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2009 |
I am wondering what is so important about Earth that so many other human races have such interest. Are we the first planet at the exit of a worm hole? Will the destruction of Earth mess up the 'highways' of other's travel paths? Several human races have settled here despite constant forewarning that our sun is a dying sun. The earth human is attempting to harm each other [thereby harming the planet]. Perhaps it is a ignorant question but ... why are so many other civilizations vested in seeing Earth survive? If we are not important in the big picture, what does survival matter? Seriously, planets die every day. Are our egos so big we are imagining we are this important? I am not suicidal in the least but the interest of others seems almost illogical. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Jonzie, You have some very valid questions that have many answers. I will give you my take on the ET involvement. I was discussing the ET issue actually today with one of my son's, as I was expressing to him that it seems like for the most part the ET influence has been extremely negative over the millenniums. Although this planet was first used as a penal colony and then a hide out for war weary humans to find some peace, later on this planet has been host to so many over powerful yet under spiritual beings that just love to play God to the ignorant natives. The material put forth suggests at this point in time the P's are trying to right some of the wrongs related to these same wayward ET's that were in some ways related genetically to them in the not so recent past as well as fairly recent past which includes the Giza intelligences. There seems to be some responsibility given to the Plejaren but not exclusively as we have been messed with for so long by power crazed ET's from every part of creation as well as having to deal with the destroyer comet every 900 years or so that would really scramble things up just as perhaps people were starting to get it right, here comes another catastrophe or megalomaniac space man. There is also a legitimate concern that we are capable of destroying a good portion of this part of the universe causing a cascade effect that could be far more devastating than just to effect our SOL system. Because of all the history here I think that we are a concern as to the areas safety yes but also I think a great curiosity to many races of ET's of some advancement that don't have anything else better to do than to watch the crazy earth people to see what they are up to next and can they survive themselves. Just my thoughts, Matt B... | ||
Jonzie New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2009 |
I have clearly read and understood what you have said. To sound redundant, planets and entire suns blow up every day. This does not seem to affect/effect Humans the way the destruction of Earth will. I have to question what Earth humans possess that will cause such a chain reaction as to destroy a chunk of the universe. Do we realize how BIG the universe is? We have something THAT destructive to destroy something so big ... or is the size of the universe misquoted so badly that the little we have will destroy big chunks of something so small? Again, this is utterly illogical. Further, I do understand the descendents of Nokodemjon-Henok are on Earth. I understand their sworn mission is to spread the truth of Creation through-out the universe; and to this mission they are sworn [forever? is this a good word?]. One of Billy's contacts (and I will look up his name and quote the source) said 'there is a fight of the sons of light and darkness happening even right now. But according to everything I have read: the Bafath were sons of light. The P's are sons of light. The MIA were sons of light. The Lyra, Vegans, Dal, Dern, et al are all from the same original Human stock. If this so, then the said battle is between the sons of light and the sons of light. This goes back to the original fight of 'we created humans who live 100 yrs to fight our fight for us. Oops, they're too strong, lets kill our creations. No, that's immoral, lets not'. Half the universe wants us dead and half not. For the half that does, talk about holding a grudge! I thank you for answering me. That which you said I did know, but my brain must be missing a point somewhere. I understand the want of 'save the human' but the efforts are way beyond 'save the human'. The efforts are 'save the planet'. My question is 'why'? Our sun is going to die, our planet is going to die naturally. Oh no! Don't interfer with the humans! But oh no, don't let them destroy the Earth because it will cause a chain reaction and WE'LL get hurt! Umm ... you can't have it both ways. Either one interfers or they don't. Save the Earth why? To save their own butts? This I could understand. Perhaps the answer I am looking for won't come in this lifetime. I have heard the answer. The answer is: Save Humans! Save Humans ... so they won't blow up the Earth. It seems the planet is more important than the natives are. I withdraw the question. I can see it is an inquiry that would cause a headache to all who tackle it. Thank you for trying. Just my thoughts, R. Jonzie Rat Jones aka Jonzie | ||
Jonzie New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2009 |
I apologize, I nearly forgot. The source that I quote for Sons of Light is the being Alaje. Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAmS669YSd0 Rat Jones aka Jonzie | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Jonzie. Imagine an earth spaceship bearing ambassadors from the Rothschild - Rockefeller cabals & representatives of his Holiness Papa Holy Of Holies escaping the zoo & visiting other civilizations. I suspect much of the attenion focuses on preventing such an event. Cheers. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 312 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Jonzie, Hello and welcome to this forum. When I asked Billy how he came to trust Plejaren, I too was looking for the logic behind these acknowledged historical interventions. (Scott; Post Number: 1684; Friday, January 23, 2009) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9606.html?1232762087 Billy’s material with the incredible supplementary history encourages us to observe the Natural and Creational laws and directives to sort out the logical and evolutionary paths versus the illogical and degenerative ones. These laws must be and in fact are the same for all entities throughout the universes. The evolutionary state of each entity governs the utilization, and in effect, adherence to these laws. Using our own stage of scientific/technological evolution, we can think of numerous examples to realize how everything throughout the universal fabric is indeed interconnected. I intentionally use the term fabric to emphasize the irrefutable connections in our creational matrix. No matter how minute any particle in this fabric is, it’s state of being effects the entire fabric like a ripple, current or a wave in an ocean. Obviously, larger waves cause larger turbulences. In fact; Billy states that all is one and one is all. Our baby steps in the realm of science are beginning to clarify this particular concept on an ongoing basis. With that being said, it is only logical then for the more advanced civilizations to have a vested interest in the well being of all the less evolved planetary beings or the lack thereof. You asked; “I am wondering what is so important about Earth that so many other human races have such interest.” We are earthlings therefore we hear more about these ET involvements on Earth. But it seems logical for this federation to have the same kind of contribution on other planets in this or other universes. While going through the material, you will notice many hints confirming this much needed and logical participation. An example here on earth could be the distinction of some lower species and our inherent concern about it. Some of our resolutions are effective while others aren’t depending on the stage of our own evolution. However, we are the more evolutionary advanced beings, clearly with more capabilities. Therefore, we should logically intervene. Ironically, we have usurped their share of the nature and caused some of this distinction both directly and indirectly. Shouldn’t we feel obligated to correct our wrongdoings? I think we should and as a matter of fact, we are at least realizing it. Even though the majority of humanity is really not doing much about it, the fact remains that the issue is real and we appreciate it while the polar bear or the migrating bird has no clue about this reality. In this comparison, humanity on earth is indeed clueless about the negative effect they may be causing in the entire universe. However, ET’s are aware of this danger. Hence, they will do their best to remedy the ill effect to the best of their allowable capabilities. This too is a confirmation of the interconnectedness we all share. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Jonzie New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2009 |
Ramirez - just to sound evil, if Papa PoPo did that, I would be tempted to whip out a pea shooter and knock down his ship before it left the launch pad. Creational - please forgive, but let me give you a pose. 100-yr-old humans were created to fight a fight that was never our fight. We fled that fight. Now here are the descendents of the very people who created us saying 'dont go into space and fight'. This is like training a child to throw baseballs then tell him 'dont throw baseballs'. It is utterly hypocritical and two-faced. Yes, I do realize the ancestors are long gone. And the Ps, our cousins, have come to the rescue to say 'calm down, calm down, they're gone! Earth humans don't have to be warlords or warriors any longer'. You said 'humanity on earth is indeed clueless about the negative effect they may be causing'. I would pose back to you that we did not cause the negative, we ARE the negative created by others to be negative on their behalf. The Ps, in essence, are telling us to reverse our polarity to positive. I understand this is their desire [and even ours too] but with corrupted DNA and such short lifespans and all the control factors 'built into our DNA' to prevent us from helping ourselves, the Ps are asking us: the most abused humans/enslaved/lowest humans to become the highest. IMO, I think this is a fair request IF someone would give us back normal human DNA. No, this is not 'aiding us to advance'. It would be 'returning to us what we had in first place'. This is not an unreasonable request: to put our DNA back to 'normal' to give us a fighting chance to survive and become what our neighbors/cousins want us to become. Totally off handed and off the wall, the one thing that always irked me about religion were people would say 'oh go sin and Jesus will take your punishment for you!'. I would always look at the person who said this and say 'if I did something, why is another guy taking my punishment? If I did it, I did it'. I kinda feel the same way about the ancients. We, Earth humans, are being told to correct our own DNA. Excuse me, we didnt alter our DNA in the first place; this was done to us and against us for the sake of someone else's war. Why should we have to continue to pay for something that someone else did? I deeply apologize, but the thought burns my ass to say the least. Again, I thank you, Good Friends, for giving voice to my questions. I have heard you and understood you clearly. No, I do not hold a vengence against the ancients of so long ago. But just as a side note, I would not consider it 'cheating' if someone helped us get back onto the right track; more than help by just saying 'picking yourself up'. This is good advice, but difficult to do when someone took it upon themselves to chop our legs off. I hope this makes sense. English is not my first language. Peace and thank you again. Salome, Friends Rat Jones aka Jonzie | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 06-2008 |
Jonzie. "The Ps, in essence, are telling us to reverse our polarity to positive. I understand this is their desire [and even ours too] but with corrupted DNA and such short lifespans and all the control factors 'built into our DNA' to prevent us from helping ourselves, the Ps are asking us: the most abused humans/enslaved/lowest humans to become the highest. IMO, I think this is a fair request IF someone would give us back normal human DNA. No, this is not 'aiding us to advance'. It would be 'returning to us what we had in first place'." Your logic is impeccable.  However Jedi Knights aren't produced by handing people coupons to collect diplomas and WalMart costumes. Look at what happens with welfare programs. Seems those with a track record of achievement & success in similar maters have decided this race must work through the grades. Cheers. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1265 Registered: 02-2000 |
Jrod, Don't take that grey stuff out of context as far as when it was talked about go by the most current info, because it has changed over the years. Its Dr. Greer that has the closest view to Billy when it comes to the Secret Ops created greys fake Alien attack scenario. My Website |
