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    Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2009 |
Kingman, Since you will to be ignorant of these things, I don't have any say in what happens to you. Billy himself stated in 1953 that an enslaving dictatorsihp which forces microchip implantation on the populus would come into being in the future. I -don't- recommend insurgency or vigilantism, but I do recommend at least caring about what is really happening on this planet, especially when so much abuse is a natural consequence of lazy, self-centred, weak-minded thinking such as yours. The 'Draco' or Skrill, are really, sadly, precisely what this planet deserves. It seems to me that for the majority of earthlings, giving away responsibility is more a priority than fighting injustice. It is all the more distressing that so many men, who should be virile, are complete wusses in the face of all this, and seem perpetually obsessed with diverting their attention to 'fun' mental activities. Just know that the more you think as unmasculinely as you do, all the more will extremely virile, male, and even virulent and malicious beings take complete control of your life to fill the gaps. Salome, - Matthew --- Earthling, Personally, my reaction to these facts is not fear, or more properly, anxiety (timor, Angst), but outrage at injustice and frustration with the earth-human condition, etc. One chooses oneself how to react to such information, wholly on the basis of one's own intelligence and constitution. Neutral-positivity is always possible because of the necessity that the Creation animate everything regardless of its corruption, so it can only violate its laws so much before it is violating its own nourishment. Therefore the Earth is still more 'good' (neutral-positive) than bad, and therefore psyche-assuaging if one simply observe realistically the beauty around one. It is strange that you deem Swerdlow a 'fear-monger', too, when, of the truly frightening things he says, none of them are -not- said by Billy. That your governments are infested with infernal corruption throughout is a consequent fact given the state of culture, and should not frighten anyone, but rather outrage them and motivate them. That the planet Earth now faces numerable (and in many cases unpredictable) natural disasters of all kinds because of our collective foolishness, is indeed a reason to fear for one's survival, but never in degeneration. If your reaction to such facts as Swerdlow presents is fear, you should certainly reflect on your thinking and feeling process, which likely includes xenophobic emotional reactions and attachment to belief in the illusion of 'consensus reality'. Though, since you aren't ready for this yet,and you do need to contemplate some more basic things before you develop your fighting spirit (both mentally and physically), perhaps it's best for you to file away these things in a memory compartment for the moment and set them aside, but without holding them there through foolish, arbitrary, and slanderous attacks on those who are simply trying to help you. Salome, - Matthew --- Michael, Your comment was amusing enough to almost make me laugh, and would have, were it not for the fact that this is a real danger and a possibility. In fact, your declaration only discloses you as even more vulnerable to such an intrusion. It is not simply a danger of corruption, but in fact of mind-control, application of drugs through injection, etc., and possible murder. Shortly after Stewart Swerdlow god rid of the woman who had infiltrated his life as a destroyer, she proceeded to seduce and murder the organiser of the Global Sciences Conference, Dean Stonier. But there are plenty of other weapons at their disposal, too. Dean Warwick collapsed during a seminal talk and was pronounced dead. Such could be done with the sorts of weapons described by Tom Bearden. With regard to Billy, he of course is not permitted to discuss these things more often than he has to, since too much interference in our government would constitute a breach of Plejaren law. Further, he keeps many things in a memory compartment to keep himself from disclosing what he should not. He can access that compartment at will, but he has mentioned many times in the contacts that he was going to store something away in the little drawer in his head that he was not allowed to discuss with terrestrials. Despite this, in the Contact Notes there is PLENTY of information from which to deduce the existence of a number of massively financed and powerful secret organisations, and the heavy involvement of the Skrill in this dimension for whatever purpose. You do not seem to be of the 'warrior' animus, though, so perhaps it would do you no good at present to care about these things. You certainly don't understand them. It is your choice to determine whether it is important to know who is really manipulating the evident increase in dictatorship and mind-control on Earth. Logically, I say one has to know to truly care about the future of this planet and to speculate about any future forms of government worthy of ET contact. I don't see how you could think otherwise except for as justification for cowardice, but I can't interfere with your free will, even if it is foolish. Perhaps you don't think you have the time for these things? Whatever the case, if it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't, but there is no cause for using superficial sarcasm and false evaluations of evidence, as well as false associations, in the face of any such proposition. It is indeed evident to me that the majority of men are no longer really men, so to speak, and indeed by design (just look what Christianity did to valour, confidence and honesty, etc.), so I am nearly alone in this, and for this reason I must unfortunately reject democracy as a feasible form of present-day government. No democracy can exist which is not defended by the steel rationality and ethics of virile men, who are the heads of their households and willing to face any enemy, etc. Similarly, none can exist without women who truly devote themselves to their children and to harmony and do not attempt to replace the iron selfhood of the true male with the egotistical selfishness of a degenerated female, which now has become the way of thought for many men, too, sadly. Rarena said something once on this forum about 'oligarchy' being perhaps better than democracy, to which Dyson replied with something like 'crap! even the High Council votes and the majority rules'. Even though this is true to an extent, as democracy of some kind, that is, Volksherrschaft (rule by the folk/people) is the ideal form of government, it is not always feasible. First of all, the folk must consist of at least semi-intelligent men and women who can agree on some basic facts of nature and basic formulae for ascertaining which decision is the right one. The fact that most earthlings have little clue about even the basics of statistics, natural science, or even their own internal and external nature as men, women, and as human beings, immediately puts into question the entire notion that 'democracy', like communism, can exist at all in today's world. Such a 'democracy' of fools can only amount to a public hockey tournament between two or more superficially different but equally wrong belief systems, and therefore is much less preferable than a simple dictatorship by someone intelligent and good-willed, like Hitler was before he went bad, or like the scientist on Akart who created solar steel. I would like myself to be a dictator, as that would solve many problems upon this planet, but I do not yet ween to be ready for such responsibility. I am still young and have much education ahead of me, but if the Illuminati ever fail so much that their dictatorship, which is founded on wile and corruption, falls apart, I am ready to take office and start enforcing population control, peace troops, and all the other recommendations of the Plejaren and Akartians. Despite all of the conspiracies on this planet, the number one problem is bad parenting. Nothing boils my blood like the abuse of children by insufficient parents, who put their own emotions first and cause permanent psychological damage to their helpless offspring, whom they never should have been allowed to have in the first place. Were I a dictator, my first mandate would be the forced regulation of births and the psychological evaluation of all would-be mothers and fathers, as well as mandatory classes for all expecting parents. Despite decries of 'parents' rights', this is the number one evil upon this planet. There would be no child sacrifices or prostitutes, very few if any serial killers, far less criminals, much more cultivated culture, etc., etc., were parents simply regulated in this way. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1781 Registered: 12-1999 |
Matthew, Where did you hear about "Solar Steel"? Are you referring to Wendelle's book Contact from the Planet Acart? Scott | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2009 |
Scott, Yes, I am referring to that book, which was confirmed as based upon a real contact with a civilisation some 300 or so years in advance of ours, by the Plejaren, who also gave some further details about the history of plagues and overpopulation on Akart. (Wendelle Stevens spelled it 'Acart') Another nearby space-neighbour of ours appears to be the civilisation of the folk of the Planet Kladen, with whom David Hamel says he was in contact (and has the anti-gravity technology to demonstrate what they told him). Supposedly, this race lives upon a world in this solar system in another dimension, which may be the planet Skill (the wasteland, desert, waste, or vastness) described by the Plejaren (which has nothing do with the Skrill). The Kladenians are supposed to have warned David Hamel about the coming Destroyer (a dark star, which they called the 2nd sun), whose danger was averted by the Plejaren subsequently. It is curious to note that Kladen is quite similar (related?) to the name 'Cladena' which is possesed by the Plejaren girl who coined the phrase 'Silent Revolution of Truth'. This alone is suggestive of the veracity of his contacts, even without the extraordinary mechanical achievements he has reached, as such 'names' of made-up aliens are usually plainly of human invention, just like the unrealistic 'aliens' portrayed by such wannabe-contactees. (This doesn't work the other way around, though, unfortunately, since some ETs have degenerate languages or are evil and wear negative names, and doesn't work at all one might say, for any supposed contemporary contacts, since Billy has spilled the beans about such a variety of extraterrestrial names). Salome, - Matthew Salome, - Matthew | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 05-2008 |
Matthew - you write ".....That 'your' governments are infested ..." You arrogantly state they are 'my' governments ... but not 'your' governments; implying & inferring that I have something to do with them as they are and that you do not. You write "If your reaction to such facts as Swerdlow presents is fear,.." and while you use "If", you really don't mean "If", since you continue with your pop diagnosis - "Though, since you aren't ready for this yet,and you do need to contemplate some more basic things ... " All I can say to your assumptions and presumptions is apparently you aren't yet ready to remove your diapers. I disagree strongly that Swerdlow only sticks to the facts. He may mean well but he has power & control issues all mixed in as well. And probably some schizophrenia. I'll stick to my opinion that Swerdlow extrapolates events to fit his agenda of fear mongering so he can make a living off the gullible & credulous. No further questions, Thank you. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 909 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Matthew, Good to see you back to posting, old chum. You should not have to be reminded to "mind your manners." To respond to any other member here, as you did to Shawn, invites the great circle of "Cause and Effect" to bounce back upon yourself. Respect and honor for your brothers and sisters will earn the same for you. It would appear that it is you who "seem perpetually obsessed with diverting their attention to 'fun' mental activities." The taxonomy of "evil," corrupt, manipulative, secretive Puppet-Masters could fill a full page here. What would be the point? Those among us which know the Spiritual Teachings, the Truth of Creation, and continue in our growth and practice of these teachings can only feel sadness for those who delay their own Spiritual Evolution. Our duty is to provide resources for those actively seeking to know these Truths. We can only do this when our own path is one of Spiritual Light. Be in Peace among us. ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 787 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi there Matthew, I'm sure that you'd agree that it isn't necessary to enter a fearful state in regards to the possibilities and mechanisms available to the opposition, loyal or otherwise. Obviously, all sorts of "accidents" can be neatly arranged and, if one is the actual target of certain elements, it's impossible to prevent it. So, whether that's actually the case, I would opt for some good ol' yin-yang in the process. As for not being much of a warrior, well that depends. I certainly am not looking to shoot or fight it out with professional assassins, to maintain your story line here but, as you surely must know, there are many kinds of fights...and ways of fighting. I actually like hand-to-hand training, though I have no illusions about the realities of actual fighting; just getting punched really hard can...hurt. But I sense that you are exhibiting the attitude of someone already defeated by your own imaginings. And you are still pushing inference into the Meier material that either isn't at all accurate or important; Billy ALWAYS refers to our self-responsibility for correcting the problems that we humans have primarily created. As for the Skrill, well again, he hasn't mentioned them and core group members close to him with whom I discussed the Skrill have indicated that this is a very NON-important situation. I do recall reading somewhere that the Plejaren had closed off their access to this dimension. Whatever the case, I suggest withdrawing your concerns about, and your de facto energizing of, these "dark forces". Michael Horn | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2007 |
Matthew, I really shouldn't waste my time by addressing your nonsense concerning Michael Horn since the moderators didn't approve my last two posts and i've had it with the crap that gets posted here so I will keep this short. Michael is the most visible person to the dangerous truths of the mission, other than maybe Billy, and uses his real name and reveals his face for all to see. You certainly don't come close to the warrior mentality as Michael does as you hide behind your ever changing name and false bravado. But your really not here to help are you? You're all about attacks, fear, chaos and disruption. The only thing I can see that you do well is getting your comments approved by the moderators. Apparently you haven't heard Michael's statement about death, which is don't worry about dying you'll live through it. So I doubt your campaign of fear, death and murder against Michael is working or causing him to lose any sleep. Are you able to tell the forum how you have contributed to the mission in a positive way? Are you able to tell the forum how Michael has hurt the mission? I'm making a prediction, not a prophecy, that you won't or cannot answer the above two questions. | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2009 |
Schantz, One is advised in OM -not- to answer such provocatory questions or accusations. Keine Antwort ist eine klare Antwort. You are furthermore putting words in my mouth. So who is really the provocateur? Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2009 |
Schantz, What I do recommend you do is, if you have a problem with what you delusively call 'conspiracy theories', ignore them and focus on everything else I said. Then contemplate it rationally. The Plejaren have said that but a moment of rational contemplation can save a lifetime of errors. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2009 |
Earthling, I state that they are -your- governments to remind you that you are responsible for them, since you've supposedly agreed to a democracy. Unless you believe in kingship or serfdom, etc., in which case you are exempt from human-legal (but not absolute) responsibility). Salome, - Matthew --- J_rod As chummy as your post was, I must address the outrageous fallacy therein: Let's speak in parable: if I lived in the jungle, I would want to know what kinds of poisonous spiders, frogs, snakes, cannibals, etc., lived therein, wouldn't I? The tendency to evaluation of all and everything as 'fun' or 'not fun' is a gross incrassation of western-'american' culture. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 615 Registered: 07-2004 |
Greetings Matthew, It's been awhile since you have actually responded to me, I'm flattered! You state; "especially when so much abuse is a natural consequence of lazy, self-centred, weak-minded thinking such as yours. Your description of me is very inaccurate. Let me set you straight. I'm hardly lazy. I work 12hrs a day, 6-7 days a week, and come home and study as long as I can till I require a little shut eye. My favorite thing in the whole world to do is to help someone with any skill I'm adept at, yet my needs always come first. This is so I CAN help others. If you think I'm weak-minded, well it's obvious you don't really know me, now do you? And this winner sentence you offer up; "The 'Draco' or Skrill, are really, sadly, precisely what this planet deserves." Hmmm, My Mom would greatly disagree. Alien intervention on our planet has been a fact for thousands of years. We've never been able to do anything about it as our technology and spirituality have never been up to par. Don't we have enough to spend our time on than...Oh my non existent god!...there's monsters under the couch! It seems you're capable of articulating yourself, so why couldn't you focus on something more beneficial. The boogey-man thing is so passe. I'm just saying. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hi Matthew, I think it's good to acknowledge that everyone here on Earth are on the path of spiritual evolution together, and in around 800 years we will have succeeded in getting past this time of hardships and god cults. It makes me happy that we are all together, exist for eternity and will have true peace and everything else that comes with it in 800 around years. Hopefully this realisation will spark something in you.  Reece Stiller | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 10-2008 |
Welcome back Michael , looking forward to hearing about it all . Your Friend , Mark Look what has visited us again for more aggro-sport ; the center of the universe has returned to realign gravity and all forces of nature to it's will . With Shakespearean grammar , eventually , I reckon . yawn | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 06-2008 |
Matthew. Whilst generally in support of most of your claims & statements we must take care with regard to the so called Reptilian conspiracy occasionally brought into noteriety by persons such as Shaman Credo Mutwa as interviewed by David Icke. Credo Mutwa is a self confessed cannibal, self professed homosexual, practitioner of magic, drug user (OK maybe magic potions used for ceremonial purposes is more accurate) ..... so with that mix of attributes seeing walking talking lizard men might come as no surprise. Perhaps the Reptilians he and others refer to are in reality the cold blooded, grasping, cunning, scheming, regressive Rothschildasaurus a particularly nasty branch of the reptile family. In places where these legends have developed & flourished it has been common practice for ages that priests have dressed up as birds, reptiles, demons etc as part of ceremonies. Those participating are often seeing various things under the affects of halluceogenic concoctions so reports of reptile men should come as no surprise. The reptiles are real except they normally wear suits & run banks. Cheers. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Michael: Yes, welcome back! I was very busy and didn’t have time to respond to your first post after your trip and all of a sudden, I have read all these not very friendly posts between us and new member Mathew. Anyways, I wanted to tell you that the exopolitics, like many religious groups have found a gold mine in the weak minds of people, who are desperate to find some meaning in life. I can’t believe that people will pay to get the galactic training. But a lot of people are doing this. The other day I mentioned the name Plejaren to my friend and she told me that a woman calls the Plejaren to bring a bell of energy upon oneself. Half meditation/half hypnosis, this woman makes you relax and my friend told me that the Plejaren come and touch you behind you neck…and she really felt it. I told her that it was impossible for them to come down and touch you because they are people and not ghosts, well…and you know the rest of the story. My point is that there are a lot of people using Billy’s contact information and claim it as their own. The exopolitics are taking the existence of ETs to the next level of absolute abuse and extortion, fraud and greediness. I think that they will never apologize for any of their doings; they are too deep in the mud. But it is part of your work to let them know that we know what they are doing, at least they might hear their conscience sometimes thanks to you. Going back to the visit, I don’t know if you responded to Scott; but have the new sightings been photographed? Scott: Well, I agree with you if this area is to talk about one’s own contact info  , I always thought that this topic area was to talk about why should or shouldn’t the extraterrestrials intervene here on earth. I say keep it because it is an area where we can discuss the exopolitics and other frauds or maybe create a new topic area for this?Salome | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2009 |
Markcampbell, I have realised this long ago, and that is why most of my plans for altering the circumstances on Earth are in the rather long term, relative to a single, artificially reduced human life span. One of the single most effective things we can do, indeed, is propagate the true spirit teaching through the education of our children, via proper upbringing and efficacious home-schooling which can turn 'average' people into 'geniuses' IQ-wise (the reverse is nearly true of public school). With their knowledge of spiritual principles and of various sciences (most importantly of mathematics and languages), these children will be able to make certain decisions about things for which only vague belief is currently administered, and naturally become the true movers of social evolution. We musn't, however, get caught up in the idea of 'progress' in the sense that communists did, which amounts to revolution, and keeps monsters in control rather than removing them from power. Slow, effective change through propagation (Fortpflanzung) will certainly succeed. Our children must also be educated according to their interests and abilities, and not thrown together to memorise meaningless school-knowledge. We must also be hard-nosed about whom we deem worthy of our efforts, and who must be left to their own devices. I am sure that all of us have relatives, friends, acquaintances, etc., who truly are not worthy of becoming parasitic suckers on those who take responsibility for themselves. We must furthermore be willing to enforce birth-control on those who are truly undignified of children. One of the most dangerous of this category at present is that of mothers with borderline personality disorder, who naturally amount to nothing more than whores who exploit those around them and treat their children as possessions. Salome, - Matthew | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 910 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Matthew, HeyYo old Chum, You make much more sense in your Post #12. We could REALLY use your concentrated HorsePower on the issue of Over-Population. See petition here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition Then see efforts to date at this page: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_Distribution Would you be willing to assist in this Global effort? This is the TOP of the list of "Important Things" that some of us here are currently involved in our energies. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1782 Registered: 12-1999 |
James, To the best of my knowledge, all connections to the Plejarens will cease once Billy passes on. this isn't to say that we won't be "monitored"... Marcela, The sightings occurred at night and I don't know if photos were taken. In regards to closing off this section, 2 of the 3 moderators do agree that closing off this section, would discourage some of the types of posts which have occurred recently. One of the moderators was not available for comment, so I can't really say yes or no at this point. Regards Scott | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2009 |
Dear Dyson, Having taken a look at Michael Salla's website, I can understand moreso why you reacted as you did to me when I was initially on the forum. Many of the things I said were superficially similar to what he says (because he is a disinformation agent), and therefore, having determined that Dr. Salla is 'the Anti-Logos incarnate', you reactively attacked me because I reminded you of Salla. Well, it seems then that Dr. Salla has struck two birds with one stone, as is commonly the case with Illuminati agents, in not only brainwashing his followers through typical New Age credulity and promoting disinformation like Alex Collier's 'contacts' (I sent an e-mail to Stewart Swerdlow about having found a disinformation script from a guy called Alex Collier the moment I came across it back in 2004), but also conditioning those who recognise him for what he is into 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. I'm not sure where Collier and Salla get their information, but it is a mixture of truth with poisonous fiction and ridiculosities. Given the nature of their information, it is likely that they both received it from a group well aware of the realities of ETs whose mission is mind-control of the masses. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 790 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Matthew, I'm just getting up from a nap but this sentence, "Many of the things I said were superficially similar to what he says (because he is a disinformation agent)..." might not be reading exactly the way you intended, need I clarify? As far as Salla and the recently invented "Alex Collier" are concerned, I recently posted an article about them http://theyfly.com/Exopolitics.htm wherein I also refer to my history with Ralph Amagran, as well as my gratitude to him for originally providing me with the the first 1800 pages of the Contacts Notes, in 1986...from which he drew information that he incorporated into creating his false persona (see: http://theyfly.com/UFO_Mag_Article.htm). Naturally, any sane person who reads his "predictions" http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html will be even more amazed that he hasn't been institutionalized. I've also been in an ongoing little exchange with, or at least a love offering to, members of that Kool-Aid club of theirs and I guess it rattled Salla enough that he wrote me a nakedly nonsensical email, to which I responded, including to every "exopolitics" related address I had. Before I post that, I do have to say that even though I too use the word disinformation in regards to him, and his equally lunatic cohort, Alfred Webre, I have to admit that I don't think that anyone as obviously stupid as he is is a deliberate "agent" of anything other than his own ego. I do think, however, that the mess that they are promoting via "exopolitics" could potentially be very easily manipulated by other forces. .............................................. To all concerned, I very much appreciate not only addressing Salla's statement and claims below but some of the concerns that have been expressed to me now by those of you who may have been swept up in this fraudulent operation. First, despite the necessarily harsh tone, I have nothing against the persons of Salla, "Collier", Webre, Harris, etc. but only against their actions, including their willful, stubborn perpetuation of an obvious hoax and disinformation campaign. To specifically address what Salla said below, and to further help many of you clarify what's going on here, the facts are that I was invited to participate on one of his forums several years ago. It turned out that I was attacked for, and needed to defend, my previously published (1998) information pertaining to Ralph Amagran, his sourcing of the Meier material in the process of reinventing himself under the phony name "Alex Collier". After being accused of lying, etc. it came to light that I indeed did know and have previous association with Amagran, as I had claimed. As I recall, this affirmation of my truthfulness came from John Robinson, a friend of Amagran's, who attested to my having known him. Salla, in a typically stubborn effort, either before or after Robinson's assistance, had referred me to the articles containing "Collier's" deluional rambling...in response to my demands for proof of his being a "genuine, lifelong Andromedan contactee". As I am the authorized representative for Meier to the U.S. and the English speaking world, I am used to providing my best evidence when challenged regarding Meier's claims. Now, since Salla prides himself on being some kind of "UFO researcher" and cites "Collier" as his main, in fact probably only, genuine "contactee" (even in this email!) there was no doubt in my mind that he was referring me to the best evidence for "Collier"...to substantiate his belligerent, unwavering, support of him. But let's look at what Salla - again - doesn't say or provide here, i.e. the actual evidence for his support of "Collier". Further, since he claims that I've provided no evidence of fraud, just what does it say about Salla's abilities, qualifications, discernment, honesty, etc. that he ignores the fact that this man is an impostor, operating under an alias who has not put even one piece of evidence forward for examination? Is that not fraudulent enough...even for Salla? This bears repeating just in case some of you are still content to have the wool pulled over their eyes and be fleeced in the process. (Try to get hired for an educational position with your "Exopolitics Certificate" and see how quickly you, like Salla, are given the bum's rush out the door.) Specifically, isn't it time that you also demand that Salla produce the evidence on which he bases his support for a middle-aged, "life-long contacteee"... who didn't even exist until a few years ago, let alone for all the nonsensical, completely unsubstantiated claims about "benevolent ETs walking among us"? Isn't time that you see through this flimsy, flim-flam sham and require that Salla show you this mysterious, but never mentioned or seen, "proof" that Salla has now based his own entire credibility on? Or do you share Mike Bird's lack of concern that "Collier" may be a fraud, with all of the implications that has for your own credibility as a supporter of "exopolitics"? I have tried - for several years - to get Salla and Harris to back up, substantiate, defend...or back away from and reject the information and phony claims of the impostor who calls himself "Alex Collier". So far, no luck, just more evasion, denial and unbelievable arrogance in perpetuating this hoax. Now it's your turn, if you're up to it. Yes, it may turn out to be a loss of face, prestige, a nice website, nifty little "conferences" where everyone can feel important, etc. but do know that those losses would be only temporary - and far less expensive over all to you, in every way, to clean this up now. Now that we've flushed Salla from his hiding place in delusional, unsubstantiated claims, and silly double talk, and he's feeling the heat from people waking up and seeing that this emperor (in fact a couple of them) have no clothes, perhaps those of you who really, sincerely, with all your hearts want to know the truth about extraterrestrials and their UFOs, will search in the places where it can be found...and save yourself time, money and avoid public humiliation, in the process. That's why I started this "disclosure project" of my own and I hope that it will be of service to you. MH www.theyfly.com P.S. Michael Salla, just where is the evidence for "Alex Collier" being a "genuine, life-long Andromedan contactee"? Just for the record, the following statement by Michael Horn goes beyond misrepresentation and in fact is an outright lie. " Again, Salla "found no evidence of fraud" regarding "Collier", this despite having personally referred me to "Collier's" own fraudulent statements (http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html) as his best evidence of authenticity!" Horn is lying. I never referred to any statements by Alex Collier as my "best evidence of authenticity". Second, no evidence has been given that Alex Collier is perpetuating fraud or deception in any way, only conjecture and opinion has been offered. I have nothing further to add to what I have said about Michael Horn in my recent public statement: http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-83.htm Aloha Michael Salla "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" Margaret Mead From: Mike Bird <mikejbird@sympatico.ca> To: Michael Horn <michael@theyfly.com> Cc: Paradigm Research Group <prg@paradigmresearchgroup.org>; Paola Harris <paolaharris@hotmail.com>; michael Salla <exopolitics@yahoo.com>; alw@peaceinspace.com; Neil Gould <ngould@hkstar.com> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:47:01 AM Subject: RE: Carry on! Michael, When I made the remark, “I don’t care if Ralph Amagran is a fraud”, I was not saying that he is a fraud. I was just indicating that the Alec Collier material is not an issue to me. You are like the debunkers of old that raise concern over trivial matters, and meanwhile ignore the very good data that is available for all to see, because it suits your agenda. Regards, Mike. From: Michael Horn [mailto:michael@theyfly.com] Sent: May 29, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Carry on! A quick note to all who have just joined this list in response to my very recent emails/info about "exopolitics". I will try to answer some of your questions in a way that hopefully isn't redundant for those who have been following this for a while. Many other people first learned about this from my article exposing this mess (http://www.theyfly.com/Exopolitics.htm) and now it's gone viral, appearing on other sites, being forwarded extensively, commented about on forums, etc. For those involved in "exopolitics" who've now written to say that they were "surprised", "didn't realize", etc. all I can say is...what were you (or why weren't you) thinking? So, to the question is this a military disinformation program, my honest answer is that I don't believe in conspiracies but I can't think of a more convenient, more easily manipulated bunch to use for such purposes, should there be the agenda and desire to do so. As to "why would people do that?" a lot of people are now learning that, once again, there are those who will shamelessly do anything to be in the limelight and make a buck. No big news there. In that regard, I am reminded of the displeasure with which Paola Harris greeted me, after my presentation at the 2008 IUFOC during which I outted Salla, "Collier", etc. She gave me a Rodney King-type of "can't we all just get along, let's not attack fellow UFO researchers" line, with absolutely no mention or regard for the fact that I had told the truth and wasn't interested in either being popular or belonging to a club that that no ethical standards of self-accountability. Not surprisingly, she is now carrying on about another friend of hers who has suddenly become...a "UFO contactee". Here's a comment I just received from Mike Bird, who's involved with the Toronto "exopolitics" group. In a rambling email response to me, Mike actually stated the following: "I have 34 years of research in this field. I don’t care if Ralph Amagran is a fraud. I know UFO’s to be true. That’s all I care about. Why are you so caught up in personalities?" This speaks volumes as to what is going on here, and it certainly isn't the kind of endorsement that any credible person would want to have. (BTW, please do NOT bother, attack or criticize Mike. Just use this for your own reflection as to what you may be, or may almost have been, involved in.) Again, Salla "found no evidence of fraud" regarding "Collier", this despite having personally referred me to "Collier's" own fraudulent statements (http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html) as his best evidence of authenticity! So, I have exhorted Salla and Ralph Amagran, alias "Alex Collier", to come clean and apologize for the fraud and deception. I will remain hopeful that their consciences will guide them to do the right and honorable thing. I have it on very good authority that this cultic mess will implode on itself and bring some inevitable, unpleasant results to its perpetrators. So I simply suggest not getting involved in questionable, escapist pursuits that take one off the path of finding the truth. Each person has to pursue and find the truth for themselves. No one is the exclusive owner of that truth, not Meier, the Plejaren, etc. But there are certainly some people who will do anything to lead you away from it for their own personal gain. Oh yes, I guess congratulations are in order to Neil Gould who, we are informed, "has completed all course requirements for the Exopolitics Certificate." No, I did not make that up. MH www.theyfly.com Michael Horn | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2008 |
Matthew_justin_deagle ; Just remember that real people of all kinds read your translations as well as regular posts , not just scholars who hand out awards for being tedious and snobbish . I say this out of respect for you , as well as everyone together ( zussammen), all being one . Welcome back . | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 05-2009 |
An example of the kind of sly twisting of truths that may seem unconventional to the average person because of their (false) beliefs conditioned by mainstream society, we may look at at their information about dolphins. The fact is, dolphins are indeed something more than mere animals, along with elephants and whales (see Dr. John C. Lilly's studies on dolphins, for instance), and in some ways their instinctual consciousnesses are more advanced than our human ones. They, like all beings, have a group mind which can be tapped into (c.f. American aboriginal animal connexions and the attempt to become animals among shamans). However, Salla takes these facts, which could be very useful to rationally thinking human beings who would then perhaps attempt communication or communion with dolphins (who seem concerned about the state of the environment), and mixes them with all sorts of rascally New Age mendacity and non-sense. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 05-2009 |
Ramirez, 'Credo Mutwa is a self confessed cannibal, self professed homosexual, practitioner of magic, drug user (OK maybe magic potions used for ceremonial purposes is more accurate) ..... so with that mix of attributes seeing walking talking lizard men might come as no surprise. ' I must chastise you for this rumour-repeating, arrogant, selective, aggressive, unreasoned, senseless & thoughtless comment. Credo Mutwa has 'confessed' to being -coerced- to involve himself in cannibalistic ritual as part of the culture of the shamanic caste of the Zulu, while he was young, naiive, and concerned about conforming to his culture. 'homosexual' - Really, he seems to have been a bisexual, but why does it even matter what his sexual preference is? You failed to mention that he has spent great effort campaigning for awareness of the AIDS problem in Africa throughout the world, etc. 'practitioner of magic' - what exactly do you imply thereby? Are you speaking from a Christian standpoint or what? Magic, in the proper sense of the word, is just the deployment of the forces of Creation. Billy is a practitioner of magic. Nigromancy, necromancy, black magic, mind-control, etc., is not included thereunder, as this is misuse/abuse of the forces of Creation, the lives of others, etc. You must be more specific with your terms. As far as I know from listening to Credo's interviews with Icke and having browsed a few of his books, he practises shamanic medicine, herbology, divination, and a few other forms of non-necromantic magic. Furthermore, Credo's information about 'lizard men' does not come from seeing them himself, but from the effectual tradition of the Zulu, which includes accounts of these beings from the Sirius region who turned their world upside down in the ancient past and turned them into slaves. Credo Mutwa has also shown to be quite a genius in many areas, including art, story-telling, his various shamanic practises, and even the production of automata (robots) and other machines and technology. He builds these based upon traditional knowledge. Does this remind you of the section of Richard Crandall's book, 'They All Told the Truth: the Antigravity Papers', on ancient evidence for advanced technological acquaintance? I have to wonder whether you have ever read a single one of David Icke's books, or whether you have ever seen Credo Mutwa speak, especially in the 'Reptilian Agenda' videos put out by David Icke. I'll tell you a brief tale. When I first heard of David Icke, it was from a friend who had seen him on Penn & Teller's show, 'Bullshit!'. At the time, I arrogantly and fatuously believed that mainstream science had nearly all the answers, although I was aware that a corrupt group was steering politics from behind the scenes (I figured mostly because of greed). My immediate (programmed?) reaction to hearing of Icke's conspiracy theory was, 'Humans tend to dehumanise those whom they perceive as evil, because they can't accept the fact that they are of the same species as they are.' and other such rationalisations and presumptuous arrogancies ad nauseum. Incidentally, my friend, whose father worked for -Lockheed Martin- underground, just kind of nervously gulped and looked away, having really nothing to say to my comments, as though he had been snubbed. This guy still seems to have a certain bizarre nervousness about him. I have to wonder what he has seen (perhaps fake aliens? perhaps real reptiloids & or sauroids? heard of such from his father? was mind-control involved?, etc.). But whatever the case, David Icke's books, once fully digested and cogitated over, make an irrefutable case for at least 95% of what he reports. Salome, - Matthew Note: the word 'magic' is usually not used in its proper sense today, though, unfortunately referring to either illusionism (properly spelled majic, as interestingly is the case in Majic) or to various corrupt uses of magical principles. This is similar to the misuse of various religiously-connected words, such as 'miracle', which properly means something to be wondered at, while it's misused sense is 'something random, uncaused, illogical, contrary to the laws of Creation, unexplainable, or something which one is too stupid to figure out the causes for). |
