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Marcela
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Post Number: 164
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 08:21 am: | 
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Well, I don't trust people in general. Not politicians, not rich or poor, but there are some people with good intentions too. I hope there are some this people in the billionaire's club. When you read the article, Bill Gates wants to help third world countries first.
He'll help them first, but here the help is desperately needed. Resources are ending here too. I think that many people die in third world countires due to diseases, wars, lack of nutrition, etc…this is an inhumane control of population.
They want to help them, so that the USA and Europe don’t have to donate that much money and help them be independent from donations, which is achieved with a population control in a way. It sounds like a dream. I don’t really know their intentions, but they should mention first countries as well, because here in California the budget crisis is because of overpopulation.
If there is a popualtion control in third world countries, there won't be a need of massive inmigration, and therefore, the USA and Europe can solve this problem in a humane way...
Salome
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Marcela
Member
Post Number: 166
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 12:13 pm: |
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Correction:
I wanted to say that I don't really trust people until I get to know them, and I have found wonderful people wanting to change things for good. I hope some of this kind of people are among the summit.
Salome
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Kingman
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Post Number: 613
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 11:42 pm: |
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Hi Marcela,
I live in Los Angeles/California, and the problem is corruption and mismanagement. There is an irrational gerrymandering of districts that allow incumbents to maintain their place in our state congress, thus continuing their agendas that have nothing to do with what would help our state balance its budget. Sure over-population is a blanketing condition that permeates all of our planet, it's possible to have an economically balanced budget by clearing out the corruption we endure.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2009 - 10:40 pm: |
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Scott,
Sadly, these billionaires combatting overpopulation is no different than Bush and clan fighting terrorism. They created the problem in the first place. This is the same David Rockefeller whose family created the heinous education system in the USA designed to turn children into stupid robotic drones with no capacity to think (see John Taylor Gatto's 'the Underground History of American Education), and the same Bill Gates who has let the CIA put spyware in Windows Vista.
What I have to say to all those hopeful ones out there, is--get real.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 08:42 am: |
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Matthew.
For those contemplating starry eyed adoration of Bill Gates and his foundation's noble largesse ....
Who representing the Gates Foundation attended the Bilderberg conference in 2004 ....
http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm
Spyware in Vista .... yes that is correct.
Also those contemplating installing XP Service Pack 3 need to be carefull .....
BTW.
Right under the Gates name on the list of attendees who else now familiar in US politics was present .... surname starts with G.
But these are just conspiracy theories right
Cheers.
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Marcela
Member
Post Number: 168
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 08:46 am: |
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Shawn:
I agree with you. One friend one day said that even if we reduce the population, you don’t eliminate corruption, ambition and greed. I think that here in California there are too many families asking for assistance and also too many kids need to go to school now. You are right though, while the politicians and Silicon Valley people (this people have earned money in an honest way, but i think they could solve so many problems)spend their weekends in the Bahamas;), we need to endure so many cuts to the budgets, instead of creating a fair distribution of wealth, and a better justice system.
Salome
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Marcela
Member
Post Number: 170
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 11:01 am: |
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This is a good link to the topic (link posted by Achim Wolf from the German forum)
http://infowars.wordpress.com/category/geburtenkontrolle/
Salome
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Matthew_justin_deagle
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 11:58 am: |
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Marcela,
You don't seem to understand the causes and effects involved. Overpopulation is the -cause- of most of the corruption, 'ambition' (since when is this bad as the word properly means? I think you mean addiction to power, or something along those lines.) and greed, along with many other problems. Strangely, you seem only to have mentioned those predominant in males, and you haven't mentioned emotionalism, egotism, having children when one should not, bad child rearing, prostitution in all forms, etc.
If you are speaking in absolute terms about eliminating -all- greed, etc., this would not be possible with the low evolutionary level of human beings. Such requires long-term education over multiple lifetimes. However, certainly one can mostly eliminate the carrying out of misdeeds, through proper management of society and culture.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 171
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 04:31 pm: |
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Matthew:
Well, you said: overpopulation is the cause of most problems, but not all problems? Is that what you meant? Because then that is what I meant to say too. And you are absolutely right; I don’t really comprehend the cause and effect principle in this case. I don’t claim to know –it -all, do you? Are you an expert in the field of cause and effect? Because maybe you can help me answer this question:
Is overpopulation the ONLY cause of this planet’s problems or the MAIN cause among others? It is so debatable that I was thinking about asking Billy.
I never blamed males only, of course many women are greedy and corrupted, and criminals, bad mothers who should never have become one in the first place.
I meant ambition in a negative way. Yes, ambition can be positive, like I ambition a better world and that the spiritual teachings will be one day be accepted around the world. It is just a matter of language choice and meaning of the word; we can spend hours debating about the real meaning of that word, but if you read a word within a context than you will know what the writer was trying to convey.
Thank you for your response, yet a bit aggressive, I appreciate it anyways.
Salome
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 04:36 pm: |
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Hi Marcela ;
Aggressiveness in communication is yet another form of greed , egoism ; as well as an undefined kissing up to either certain persons who may not be present , like a father or teacher or some kind of "ideals" . Not to mention posturing to impress someone ; an audience .
True communication considers the listener or reader as being not a target , but a true recipient as being important , whereas the aggressive ones use the ones they attack to emphasize their own lust for power though a supposedly recognised superiority .
Kind Regards , Mark |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 107
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 09:36 pm: |
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Regarding the relationship between overpopulation and materialism, I would put overpopulation as the effect more than as the cause.
Our history also shows that addiction to power and corruption is not specific to our overpopulated times.
The current population number could be sustainable under certain circumstances. But these would require a different evolutionary level, which would allow real peace, understanding and a global management, besides the right technologies and the knowledge to create the proper infrastructures.
Technological utopias fail to acknowledge the human factor, while mandatory birth control is a great idea because it’s the easiest and simplest way to end many of the problems that are being experienced (and created) all around the world.
David
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Jimmy
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 05:22 am: |
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Hi Mark,
I think you summed up the underlying situation there well.
btw, do you know if it is possible to have a form of passiveness in communication that is negative for both parties? |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 10:07 am: |
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Matthew:
I could tell that you have posted on the forum after I wrote to you, yet I don’t see a response to me. With or without a response from you, I needed to say one more thing. I realized that you haven’t read the previous posts. I started talking about the California budget crisis and I was blaming overpopulation for that.
Shawn then replied to me and he thinks that the crisis is due to the corruption and mismanagement of public money. To that I replied that it could be a mix of overpopulation and unfair distribution of wealth.
Instead of joining the debate, I have to tell you Matthew that you just told me that I don’t understand (something that you never explained why you do understand) and that I only mentioned problems predominant in males and I forgot to mention females. I didn’t mention prostitution, bad motherhood, etc…because I was talking about the California budget, not problems in general.
However, talking about what you have said, you seem to imply that emotionalism, egotism, having children when one should not, bad child rearing, prostitution in all forms, etc. are predominant in females? Because let me tell you that males express emotion in a different way, but revenge, jealousy, anger, resentment, violent behavior, aggressiveness, etc, are emotions present in males, just as much as they are present in women. Bad parenting and abandonment of children are also the fault of countless men. And prostitution. Please tell me that you agree that men are very much involved in this activity.
I have written many times on this forum and many times members have not responded to me, but you were the one who started this conversation, and I hope you respond to me and show your respect to this forum and to your fellow forum user.
Mark:
Exactly. I also think that a writer chooses a tone, not only words, style, etc…Aggressiveness in writing could be use to convince the reader of something without using clear ideas, but like you said it is very true that aggressiveness in writing is a sign of egocentric behavior and desire for power.
Borthwey:
Thank you for the input in this discussion. Well, many are of the opinion that a fair system and good distribution of resources could be a solution to overpopulation right now. It could be a temporary solution, until we create a controlled number of humans. The problem is that humans are multiplying exponentially. In nature organisms that reproduce at this rate are bacteria, viruses and insects. I don’t want to insult humans by comparing them to a virus or anything, but sometimes I just see us as the locus. Certainly, I belong to the problem, but I am here acknowledging overpopulation and hat is a big step in solving it. If development will find a temporary solution until we put birth control laws that would give us time to avoid major disastrous consequences.
Your analysis about history is very good. Even if we reduce the number of humans in a rational way, we still are very spiritually underdeveloped.
Salome
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 177
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 11:59 am: |
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Hi Jimmy ;
I think that to remain silent against behavioral spikes (because someone is supplying coconuts) makes the tribe weaker .
as far as analagies go .
MC |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 108
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 06:00 pm: |
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Hi Marcela
I have to admit that I don’t become extremely upset by the loss of lives from hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. It shocks me much more to see the systematic destruction of ancient forests and other ecosystems and the resulting extinctions of wildlife. I mean, we are unique but still just another species, and it seems like we want to become the only species.
It can be tempting to see catastrophic events in a positive light despite all the personal tragedies and the loss of innocent lives, even more so when one doesn’t acknowledge the concept of tragedy…
David
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Jimmy
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 07:58 pm: |
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Hi Mark,
Yes I see and agree. Also for the individual on the receiving end of it too. |
Matthew_justin_deagle
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2009 - 12:40 pm: |
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Marcela,
Overpopulation is the main problem, yes. Billy has written about this extensively, and, since you read German, you should have no trouble finding this information. No matter what other efforts are undertaken, if overpopulation is not solved, things can only get worse for terrestrial humankind.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 175
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2009 - 10:34 am: |
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David:
Yes, I think it’s called the “theory of impact”. You see something so many times that eventually one starts to get used to it and the impact diminishes and you see the event or anything as normal. We see so many flooding, earthquakes, hurricanes that you feel for those people, but I have noticed that it doesn’t impact you like hearing that this specie has gone extinct.
Billy has said this before, when we have overpopulation, we start feeling less attached to each other.
Salome
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Johnboy
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 05:11 am: |
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Saalome,
Last night, I was intrigued by a television program on the ABC network in the US. It was called 'Earth 2100'. It focused on the effects of overpopulation in relation to loss of fossil fuels, lack of drinking water, mass migrations, severe weather, diseases and a tremendous reduction from the program's earth population of "9 Billion" down to about "2 Billion" due to famine and disease. The show focused on the fact that this 'future' for the earth could be changed by our decision to stop using fossil fuels, grow our own food supplies, and learn how we can help our planet sustain us. In my opinion, it was VERY CLOSE to the prophecies written by Billy. It fell short of stating that the real problem behind all of the 'climate change' is overpopulation, but it was a definite eye opener for anyone who is not familiar with the Meier information. It even showed one scene that panned the camera from an image to the sun to an image of the stars which had the Pleiades constellation in the center of the image.
I watched the show as a skeptic. By the end of the show, I was pleased about the content. To me, it appeared as though someone read the Meier story and made the decision to share the information on a national scale. They never mentioned Meier or the Plejaren. They focused on the future events that 'could be changed' if we change now.
Did anyone else see that broadcast? |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 177
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 12:20 am: |
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Matthew:
I didn’t see your post to me. I saw it by coincidence, because I thought you were not going to respond...I am glad I saw it.
Yes we can agree that overpopulation is the main problem now and I have read a lot, and I mean a lot about overpopulation. I found about Billy a year ago, and I haven’t stopped reading here and there, everything I can. I even wanted to initiate a campaign and awareness about overpopulation in my school.
To read Billy's books made me want to learn German because I didn’t find a good translator and I really wanted to read everything myself. So I decided to take classes and the learning process is slow. I can write very simple and read very simple. And, on top of everything, I have no time. However, Figu has great information about overpopulation in English, I have the brochures and I can’t wait to read the German texts.
So thank you for the suggestion, you don’t have to convince me, because I am a strong advocate against overpopulation, believe it or not…
Johnboy:
No, I haven't watched it. Wow, I can't believe that shows are now talking about this problem, when before all you heard was about needing more people to support the system, bla bla bla...i'll try to find it on line. Thank you.
Salome
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 919
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 03:16 am: |
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Hi John,
Yes, I also watched that program, even recorded it to be able to watch it again (have one of those digital cable units with a hard-drive recorder built-in).
The 'possible' future portrayed is a very real possibility. I was surprised myself how closely it was to the prophetic warnings from the Plejarens and from Billy.
The Global Over-Population IS the root cause of the loss of so much of the beauty of the Earth.
The destruction of the Rain-Forests to make room for cattle, points to the irrationality of current thinking. The extinction of important species may never be recovered.
"We" are destroying the "Lungs-of-the-Earth" so everyone can have one more hamburger while the rich eat more steaks. Already, the percentage of Oxygen in the atmosphere is declining.
WE could be next on the extinction list, if these trends are not halted and reversed.
This IS why the Global Birth-Stop Initiative, as proposed from Billy, MUST go forward. More, the proposed ideas from Billy MUST begin to be ACTIVATED, not just talked about.
The value of that Earth 2100 program is a huge WAKE-UP CALL which should be repeated so many more people get the message.
Peace
*****
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Enlightenedatlast
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 07:26 am: |
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Johnboy:
Someone probably did read the Meier content, as I have seen so many other "wanna-bes" on the internet claiming to have contacts with the "Pleiadians", and bashing Mr. Meier. Some seem to go with the information given in a very serious way as well though.
There has been so much that relates to Mr. Meier and his prophecies, whereas some individuals are trying to make certain things happen for the better. There are now called "Friends for Change" through Disney. At least I think that is what it is called and these young ones are looking for young members to sign-up and stand together to make a difference as far as the earth goes in recycling, less use of energy and so on. I hope their mission is true to what they are showing on TV and not just another way to get money for those greed happy people.
I did not see the Broadcast, although I am sure it would've been interesting. I did see a broadcast on the History channel I believe that was called voyage to the edge of the galaxy or something like that a few nights ago with Alec Baldwin Narrating it.
They did give some interesting information, but as it went on, it was more speculation to the truth and they often mentioned GOD as being the creator, at which I was laughing. Nasa sent a new telescopic device which it has a camera that lasts much longer, takes extremely high-res photos and so on, in the search for other life. They did mention that they (NASA) are going to look in the region of Lyra and Vega. I really hope NASA, our people with illogical thinking don't do anything rash. Meaning in that if they do happen to find the life that does exist, they claim it as their own or the US' as was the case with Christopher Columbus coming to America. If they (NASA & US) did, there will certainly be problems I'm sure. I shudder at the very thought, but most humans who don't know the truth and who don't have a rational and logical thought process will in fact, more than likely, end up trying to own it as theirs. Does anyone agree with that? I am in the US, Massachusetts. As I have stated before, I do not like my country, its policies, etc. or the leaders, especially Bush when he was in office. I am hoping that Obama will actually make a good difference. I hope this latest threat from Osama (which I believe is dead) will not be taken seriously, that Obama should wait it out and see what happens. We do not need anymore wars or continuing wars, that is why I left the Army before my training was done! I knew it was not my calling so to speak, though the training was very helpful for any future events. I will end here as I am going off the subject.
In Peace and Love.
Amanda |
Schantz
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 11:34 am: |
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To the Circle of the Roundtable Group,
While I appreciate you efforts addressing the overpopulation problems, I did not ask to join this group, nor was I asked to join or agree to join. I'm now getting bombarded with emails from people I don't know and all sort of other emails from your group which have nothing to do with overpopulation or FIGU.
Please remove my email address from this group.
Shantz, why don't you just respond to who is sending out the e-mail. Scott
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