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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark Gilbo,

Quite stupid. It's ironic that these people are demonstrating that they are unfit to truly rule anything, and indeed dupes of the 'N.W.O.' themselves.

Overpopulation is a very big problem-reaction-solution, as David Icke calls them, like 9/11.

Salome,

- Matthew
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark Gilbo,

As 'elitist' as it sounds, you have just made a perfect argument against democracy. There is no place for democracy in today's world. We are in a time of crisis in which certain 'elites' -must- act against the will of the people in order to save them from their own stupidity.

Salome,

- Matthew
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J_rod7
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*****

Just need to mention, the E-mail address to:

Harley G. Lappin
Director,
Federal Bureau of Prisons

is info@bop.gov

Peace

*****
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Syn
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

this petition thing is retarded. with current technology and reasoning we dont know if this person is truly guilty let alone what they really done. not only that but eugenics has a bad name right now and selective sterilization is a nasty thing right now since the current world isnt ready for this kind of trend.

this idea is disgusting. i dont have the best gens so does that mean i cant produce offspring.

who in the hell are people to judge to who can reproduce and who cant. this is such a stupid idea/letter.

depopulation needs to happen when people are ready, and right now we arent.

not only that but dont you know how EASY it is for people in power to abuse this? people in power can force sterilization on most of the population so they can control them better.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority

-Gerald Massey
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Ramirez
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 05:25 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew.

"Ramirez,

No, it is not subjective. How can you say that after all the research that has been done into psychological disorders, the backgrounds of criminals, etc., that there are not many OBJECTIVE criteria for determing who should and should not be a parent?"

It is pure weak-sensedness (imbecility)."

Off course I am aware of that.
By subjective I had meant that irrespective of whether guidelines have objective merit they have in the past been and continue to this day to be subjectively implemented whereby so called objectivity can be anything those in power choose it to be.

Hitler was part jew yet he though not alone mandated a policy of exterminating jews, saw to it that suitable laws & guidelines were written to legitimise this policy then promoted into positions of authority those who enforced the policy.

De yuden ist not suitable for procreation nor ist slavs, negroids, gypsies und other undesirables who are not hafing blue eyes und blond hair.

So there is such a thing as subjective criteria dressed up as objective when it suits an agenda of those in a position to dictate.

Just like when 19 terroristo baddie man blow up 3 tower wit 2 airplane.

Remember ... the world is flat ... who dictated that for how many centuries ?
Cheers.
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Syn,

The 'elite' must learn not to make illogical emotional associations with good words, such as 'eugenics', 'anti-disgenics', or even 'racism'. We have to use words wisely and accurately. Whereas 'genocide' means murder of a kind, 'eugenics' means the improvement of a kind or what defines it, the genes. Anti-disgenics means the avoidance of unwanted mutations in the human genome through monitoring of changes in the population. The Plejaren have warned us that humans can physically become savages again if they do not uplift their mental level. While 'racism' only implies the acceptance that there are differences between 'races', or on the other hand a desire to maintain racial identity (such as conservative Japanese), 'racial hatred' and 'xenophobia' mean the hatred of another human being because of the race to which they belong, hatred of the race's culture, appearance, etc., that is, the desire to annihilate that race; and 'xenophobia' means anxiety/timour/angst about that which is foreign or strange, including foreign cultures or races. If terms are used incorrectly, there is far too much room left for calumny.

Salome,

- Matthew
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Jamesm
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Syn said "who in the hell are people to judge to who can reproduce and who cant. this is such a stupid idea/letter."

When the birth of additional humans threaten the entire planet's and its floral and faunal existence, the decision of whether or not to procreate is vital to the security of everyones' future.

The people will never be ready until they are dying in their millions and on every continent, unless you and I do something about it, by taking action.

Do you think they'll all die willingly? No, some will surely invade other countries by air, sea and land in order to survive or die trying.

The fish, cattle and other species will become near or fully extinct due to overfarming before "they" take action. When that happens, we'll probably have a third world war over resources. WW2 was initially about land resources (invasion of Poland in 1939). WW3 could be about food resources, logically thinking.

And all because of overpopulation and assumed right to make "a perfect family" and "live the (insert country name here) dream"....
James G. T. Moore
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Gaiawingz
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Earthling;

Perhaps you did not watch the complete video. In fact, perhaps you did not really watch more than 10 or 15 minutes of it -- which would, admittedly, be preferable to the prospect that you actually watched all of it and are truly so stupid as to be blinded to the greater truth by a comparatively few things which were said.

You might find Mr. Fulford's background worth taking some note of: benjaminfulford.com/ProfileEnglish.html (and this is his great-grandfather: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Taylor_Fulford) -- I don't agree with everything he says, but likewise I do not agree with Michael Hoffman about everything he says and his Catholicism which, although kept minimal, does bleed into his work from time to time -- but as a Historian his efforts are superb and I commend him for them.

Having watched the complete video, what Mr. Fulford seems to want most is to reroute the vast sums of money which currently fund warfare into combating poverty and environmental destruction. Admittedly, to honestly combat these things most effectively, he would have to contend with overpopulation, which he does not appear to recognize -- but putting resources toward environmental destruction and poverty instead of toward warfare seems like a step in the right direction at least.

You seem to know very little, for saying such nonsense with complete assuredness. I wonder, have you read the Henoch Prophecies recently?

Perhaps you should. Also, perhaps you should read a book called 'Out of Africa' by Keith Richburg -- revisionisthistory.org/slaves2.html

Again, I don't agree with everything Richburg has to say, but it's certainly an eye-opening book if you've never really put much thought toward the matter. There are other books out there too, obviously. This is just one of them, which I can recommend based on personal experience.

Just as one cannot say Hitler was completely without good ideas, so too must one realize that it is not acceptable to simply brand someone a 'schizophrenic' or anything else simply as a way to dismiss them because there are a few things they say which trigger you into a blanket-response, denial mode.

The heart of Billy's teaching is correcting the thinking of the individuals. Yes, one must first do this for themselves -- but does a child learn to ride a bicycle completely on their own? Some children might, yes, but the majority are coached and taught by an adult. Likewise, although every individual must think about and come to their own, individual understanding of the truth, it helps to have mentors and guidance counselors, as it were.

Back the ladder of spiritual evolution -- we learn from those closest to us, but above and in turn we teach those who are closest to us but below -- that is to say, we learn from those who know more and we also educate and teach those who know less than us, depending upon where one is located in the ladder.

So how does this apply to the world? Well, since the masses are evidently like misled children who need educated and guided, and who indeed need a certain degree of force applied to them (not brutality, but the enforcement of laws such as with regard to having children, being part of society, etc.) -- then it falls upon those of us who are magnanimous and broad-minded enough to 'see the bigger picture', that is, to hold many things in our mind at once as well as all their interrelations and interconnections, to be the leaders and the organizers of the people and to bring about changes on a national or global scale (depending upon the resources, position and capability of the individual) for the betterment of mankind.

Right now, mankind is in a dismal state and needs to go through a period of detoxification, as it were. We must gain control over the criminals who pervade civilized society -- including those who stock the upper echelons of governments around the world but who are degenerate and corrupt individuals who must be cast out from society. Those who cannot be rehabilitated must at least be kept ostracized and separate from the community, made to eek their living from the land and to reflect upon the mistakes they have made until such a time as they die of natural causes.

At the same time, the calibre of education which our children receive must be increased manifold, and indeed strict controls over who is and is not allowed to have children must be implemented. The standard of parenting will, naturally, increase to a certain point before maintaining a 'normal' standard which, over hundreds or thousands of years, every individual would eventually meet by virtue of their own upbringing and capable parents, etc. although at such a point not everyone would necessarily feel that they wanted to or should have children, although probably most people would who were heterosexual (but this would be a reasonable number such as 1 or 2 per woman, given that one must also take into consideration that as we evolve there will be more polygamous marriages).

Quetzel comes to mind, spoiled and catered to by four pretty wives indeed. ;p

At any rate -- for the world to move forward, those with the will to do so must take on the status quo and the established 'powers that be' -- whether you consider that to be the big oil and weapons conglomerates, the UN, EU, CFR, US Government, or the 'Illuminati', etc. -- and seize from them control over the population, because the mass of 'Average Joe' Earthlings which currently inhabits this planet really does need to be under the guidance of benevolent, magnanimous, broad-minded, capable individuals who duly defer to the guidance of wise-men and spiritual leaders like Billy, or John Chang, or Bhante Dharmawara -- or even Ptaah or Semjase if such a time comes as we are in contact publicly with the Plejaren, or their equivalent if we happen to make public contact with another advanced race, etc.

From my observations of the posts on this forum, most of you are not the people to whom these responsibilities would fall. It is, quite rightfully, your task to simply acquaint yourself with the spirit teaching and to take back control of your mind and of your thoughts, and therefore your actions, your feelings, and your emotional outbursts which exert so much control over your life.

Indeed, on that note, I find it quite remarkable that most people, even on this forum, do not take seriously the impact of subliminal messages and symbology upon the thoughts and minds of the masses -- despite the fact that Billy has published the book of Universal Spirit-Symbols (I think that's roughly what the English name of the book would be).

It is also known that part of the importance of having the German writing alongside any English translations of Billy's work is not just for the benefit of those who speak German or wish to read the German, but because even reading the German without understanding what it all means will unlock knowledge and cause cognitions in the subconscious of the individual.

On top of that, it is known by modern scientists that the actions a person carries out stem from the subconscious mind. Our conscious mind develops a general idea about doing something, but then essentially turns the idea over to the subconscious mind which works out the details and develops a specific plan which then gets implemented without necessarily consulting the conscious mind again.

One example would be when I first moved a mile away from my family's house -- for several months I kept going on 'auto-pilot' when I was driving and I would head toward my old house because, although I was paying attention to the road, I was just thinking about going home, not specifically about where home was, and so I was going automatically toward where I was used to going when I went home, without realizing it until I was almost there. This is an example of me consciously deciding to go home, but not really thinking about how I was going to get there -- my subconscious mind took over and went, 'well, this routine is what got us home many times in the past, so go this way' -- and even though I was paying attention, it took my conscious mind a bit to catch up and realize that I was going toward my mother's house, not my new home.

That's just one example. I'm sure everyone has examples which are similar, of simply going 'on autopilot' when it comes to tasks which they carry out on a regular basis -- but does anyone ever think about what that entails?

First, consider that the human skull can be used as a receiver, ala like this: www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/04/24/the_marketers_have_your_ear/

Then there's this: columbiavalleynews.com/news/2009/01/14/radio-frequency-pollution-a-brewing-global-health-crisis/

and this: ursi-test.intec.ugent.be/files/URSIGA08/papers/K02cp1.pdf

Also, consider that the human brain will pick up radio frequencies which the ear does not hear. Just because we don't hear it, doesn't mean our brain doesn't make something of it. Combine this with the fact that the subconscious also recognizes symbols despite the fact that we consciously don't recognize their meaning... and do you see where I'm going with this?

It's not very hard to program the subconscious of a person. Anyone who can successfully program the subconscious of a person will have implicit control over their actions because one will be able to trigger them into behaving in certain ways based on getting their subconscious mind to issue commands which the person carries out without necessarily realizing why or the importance thereof, etc.

This can be as simple as programming a person's subconscious mind to obsess over sex, drugs, money, material things, etc. as is done via conditioning in media and advertising, on the television, etc. If one creates the illusion that something is popular or normal, for instance by reporting on it in the news in a skewed fashion, then one can program the subconscious of the unwitting individual to emulate the status quo.

It can also be much more complex, obviously. Programming the subconscious, as well as flat-out traumatizing and fragmenting the personality of an individual into DID, MPD, etc. is a very real possibility, and something which unscrupulous 'scientists' do study and implement at the behest of various governments and illegal organizations.

This has drawn on long enough, however.

Food for thought, for what it's worth. I am sure someone will learn something from this, but perhaps the majority of what I mean will be lost despite my attempts at being clear and to the point.

Peace;

- Gaia
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Davo
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Yep world's not ready for depopulation, most people still have that religous indoctrination "spread forth and multiply" They'll never buy it. Its thier God given right.
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Davo
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The people will never be ready until they are dying in their millions and on every continent,...."

Hi James,

That is incorrect. The Island Continent of Australia will never be dying in their millions (or 1000's) of starvation. Australia is the same size as the US and it also has a bread basket (wheat) similar size to US's and with a population of just over 20 million. Forget it, it'll never happen for hundreds of years.

There are many reasons why Australia is called The Lucky Country by the rest of the world. That was just one.
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Syn
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and yet i was right, the world is not ready for depopulation until drastic things happen.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority

-Gerald Massey
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Davo
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I'm going to move to Australia in my retirement so I could try to reincarnate my spirit there next life. Then when my spirit is there, it/personality will know OZ is the best place to live in (overpopulation) and choose to stay there. Hopefully my spirit will be there for the next few incarnations and avoid the worst/er parts of the world to live in. Also because of some of the future world prophecies too. Also give my spirit the best chance of finding the Meier material again next life too. (foretold Oz figu)
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Hector
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, recently, a celebrity, Cameron Diaz, spoke openly about overpopulation...She said:

“I think women are afraid to say that they don’t want children because they’re going to get shunned. But I think that’s changing too now. I have more girlfriends who don’t have kids than those that do. And honestly? We don’t need any more kids. We have plenty of people on this planet.”

It's a good start, famous people like her who are beginning to talk openly to the public about overpopulation. Taken from

http://deceiver.com/2009/06/11/cameron-diaz-thinks-the-world-is-overpopulated/
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Jamesm
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 05:19 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't know about you lot but I will never cease to bring this subject up (overpopulation and pop. reduction) in conversation when I have the opportunity because I don't want another world war or other type of disaster of similar proportions and only by taking action can there be a greater chance to avoid these types of events.

If you dont buy a lottery ticket, you ain't gonna win.

similarly

If you don't take action, the probability of avoiding future catastrophic disasters is reduced.

I feel it is my duty as a responsible human being to try and avert coming disasters by doing what I can within my means available. If I was a billionaire (or should I say 8-billionaire), the whole world would have received the Birth Stop Petition by now.

Phenix has been sending the message and petition to many governments and NGOs and I want to thank him here publicly for that. His efforts are great indeed. And the same goes for everyone else involved who know who they are, but of course thanks aren't needed if you're spiritually evolved enough.

I wonder....If someone is told about the need to reduce the population of the world, will their consciousness be sent signals by their subconciousness verifying that it is true? If so then the importance of these humans at least receiving the overpopulation message is undeniable, is it not? If they don't receive the initial message then they'll not have the chance to reconcile the truth of it, perhaps, and will not have a chance to come to his/her senses.
James G. T. Moore
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Earthling
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew & Gaia - I saw that video about a year back. I am enough familiar with Fulford to have reached my opinion of him. I stand by it.

I will rephrase a bit. I like Swerdlow. I think he's extremely intelligent, interesting ... however I also think he's fantasizing some things. I think his ego plays a part in his business and making humans dependent on his perceptions & knowledge. I think he has power issues.

Icke & Fulford are not without their redeeming qualities as well. However all this 'conspiracy' nonsense is not important to my daily life and moving forward.

If it is for you, fine ... and so you attempt to spread warnings to your fellow humans and share your life saving information.

Matthew, perhaps all this conspiracy crap in your head, aka 2nd hand knowledge inherited from others, is poisoning your entire system. I wouldn't know .. just throwing it out there.

No matter what, I wish you a speedy recovery.
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Stephen_moore
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Hi all

Billy has mentioned that you can recognise Creation by observing Nature.

I have always been interesting in nature. More the Animal kingdom then of Plants. One thing I have noticed is that every animal on the Planet has a natural system attached to it to keep their populations down/manageable. Most Animals only reproduce once a year, there are exceptions to this where some Animals only reproduce once every 2-3 or more years.

For example if we look at a Shark and a Frog.

Sharks - Sharks are at the top of the Ocean food chain. There are no predators in the Oceans that hunt or attack Sharks (Apart from us Human Beings who seem to hunt everything that lives these days.), To my best knowledge. So in order for Nature to control the population the Shark has evolve to have a longer reproductive cycle. In the following link there is a explaination on the reproduction of a Shark. It states that a female Shark only reproduces every 2 years and that the gestation period is estimated to be 12 to 18 months.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/fish/great-white5.htm

Frogs - Frogs reproduce once a year and have 100's if not thousands of off spring in that one year reproductive cycle.

So if everything is balanced in nature then by Frogs having predators that eat the frog sporn then nature has countered this and used this to benefit keeping populations of Frogs at a manageable level.

If you can understand what im trying to explain here. Nature uses Animals as food for other Animals and within this there is a natural intelligent system of controlling Animal populations.

Humans, in my view, have to think logic about how Nature really works to keep order among all life. We have to understand that, as we are the highest intelligent life form on Earth, it is up to us to take responsibility for our Planet and our actions. We have the ability to evolve to understand how Nature works and to work with it. This includes our population, which is our responsibility as being the Highest intelligent life forms on Earth.

I wanted to put across a view I have on Nature and overpopulation of various Animals.

Thanks for reading
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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Stephen_moore
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Hi Jamesm

I agree with you in your last post.

I would like to offer a thought on what you said

"I wonder....If someone is told about the need to reduce the population of the world, will their consciousness be sent signals by their subconsciousness verifying that it is true?"

My thought on this, which is not to be taken as the truth because I don't really know, is -

If a Human Being in a previous life has had cognition, wisdom or knowledge about Human population or/and overpopulation then this knowledge/wisdom would have been stored in the comprehensive consciousness block in the storage banks related to that Spirit. Thus as we understand from the spiritual teachings this knowledge/wisdom is given back to us in our subconsciousness in our present incarnation.

So, in my thinking about this, if some information/knowlegde/wisdom is presented to us in this incarnation which is then processed by our subconsciousness and checked to see if it is use full and logical and/or known already then a impulse or signal might tell the Human Being that this information is correct.

---- If you can understand what I am trying to say.

Thanks
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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J_rod7
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*****

Best Greetings All

James,
You've made an excellent point here: "If someone is told about the need to reduce the population of the world, will their consciousness be sent signals by their subconciousness verifying that it is true? If so then the importance of these humans at least receiving the overpopulation message is undeniable, is it not? If they don't receive the initial message then they'll not have the chance to reconcile the truth of it..."

Truth must at the least be heard, read, introduced to the Human Being for the opportunity to reject or accept, according to the Free Will = the Right to Choose. This IS the reason for making the Birth-Stop Initiative from Billy to be spread as widely as possible. Even those who reject the idea initially, will have the truth lodged in their subconscious to "mull it over."

We don't expect that the people, groups, NGOs, whomever being made aware of this will act unilaterally. Out of nearly 8-Billion people now, a few hundred or a few thousand which DO accept the necessity of the Global Birth-Stop will have very little impact. The objective at this point in spreading this is to rally the support of as many of these different groups as possible.

The GOAL is eventually for the Nations to pass the LAWS that will implement the Solutions in the Birth-Stop initiative. This is where results will come for the reduction in the Global Over-Population, in the LAW. Considering the number of Nations is 195, then the final GOAL is a MANDATE from the United Nations for the enactment of the required laws.

The task is really only just begun. My compliments to ALL in the Circle for what has been accomplished so far. In the final analysis, the HONOR goes to Billy for his leadership in this vital effort.

Peace

*****
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Phenix
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Greeting the forum,

Jamesm,
It is a privilege to be able to contribute; thanks also for your help and active disponibility.

Now then.
I share the views of Stephen_moore and Rod: you made a good point in your post 148.
I also am convinced, that the Document 'Crusade' (and also the pamphlet ' Torture, Capital Punishment and Overpopulation' , the 'codification' of which in the German language was specifically discussed by Plejaren scientists in this area - see Contact Report 241: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_241) has indeed the type of working you suggested.
And if one follows the logic through, then the need and role of such an extraordinary document as 'Important Appeal'(http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx) become clear. A Masterwork, indeed!
Sharing this crucial information from Billy Meier is hence a must, a kind a moral duty, if you wish - and then, of course, it is up to each recipient to 'react to it' consciously or unconsciously and to decide what to do with it; but we should give a chance to as many fellow Humans as possible.

Let's than follow the instructions of Billy and spread the Word happily!:-)

Salome.

PS: THOMAS in 'Disease thread': Nicolas agreed to help; it would hence be done, if FIGU has no objection.
I shall keep you informed.
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Mgilbo1
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Well looking at the Overpopulation Bomb letter at Figu.org, I reworked some of the arable land numbers and here is what we have as of today with 7.5 billion people (probably higher now).

4000 sq meters for each human to feed him/her self. 4000 x 7.5 billion = 30 million sq kilometers required. If the earth only has 12% arable land (which may be worse today), that equates to 18 mill sq kilometers, as per figu.

So 30 mill sq kilo - 18 mill sq kilo = -12 mill sq kilometers short of fertile land needed to properly feed todays population of 7.5 billion people.

Sad to say that when OP Bomb was written, they used a 6 billion population figure and were short 6 mill sq kilometers of land. Unfortunately, that number has doubled in a very short amount of time with the addition of only 1.5 billion people.

If you look at those numbers carefully, for every 25% increase in population(approx), you get 100% increase in lost arable land. A 4 to 1 ratio.
Mark Gilbo
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Getknowledge
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"...one single human being requires by nature a living space of 83,333 square meters (99,665 sq. yds.), and 4000 square meters, or 63.245 x 63.245 meters (4784 sq. yds. or 69.166 x 69.166 yards) of fertile ground or garden soil is required to feed him- or herself."

i have never imagined needing that much space to myself...for my understanding, can someone explain why would a person need 896,996 sq feet of living space, and 43,056 sq feet of garden, for themselves? Please note that i am not an avid gardner, and live a city.
Tien
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Rarena
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Hi Tien,

Excellent question!

The biosphere is a very complicated system from the tallest tree and largest animal... to the tiniest microbe... all are necessary for correct and efficient living. The circle of life.

The food you eat takes time to grow, the clothing you wear comes from the land, the nitrogen, fungus and minerals to feed the plants, the many things you use; food, olive oil, milk products... require land to grow. Water and air used by plants, microbes and fungi hold and produce via their metabolic procesess... you most likely need that large amount of land for all the ubiquitous (everywhere but hidden) things you use without knowing it.

By continuing this human birth rate it is said: in three thousand (just nine hundred and ninety one years away...) we will have about two centimeters (.75 inches) per person. Very few animals live in high rises that add to the food chain. That's also a lot of skyscrapers, can you imagine the weight of that tremendous number of buildings upon the structure of the Earth?

Everything does not originate from grocery stores. Plants are the reason the Earth is not a desert. They give us fresh air, hold water, food, provide shelter, become clothing while storing sunlight for future use. It's a good system: use it or lose it... it's our choice.

Salome,
Randy ô¿ô
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Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 01-2009
Posted on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 06:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jamesm and Phenix

Your work on distributing the birth stop partition is superb.

I would like to ask if you have considered or thought about distributing the petition to TV stations like National Geographic or History Channel. I have been looking at the Petition Distribution page at

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_Distribution

but do not seem to see TV stations like the ones I just mentioned.

Also to this I dont seem to see many Health authorities, for example the NHS in England. Would this be something you are/would consider?

Thanks
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk

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