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Phenix
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 11:13 pm: | 
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Greetings,
Stephen_moore,
The document 'A Crusade Against Overpopulation', the basis and content of the petition, is intended for all Mankind.
In 'Important Appeal'( http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx ) Billy Eduard Albert Meier made not exception whatsoever as to the recipients:
[...]"It is important to disseminate this text worldwide. Indeed, only through this action will it ever be possible to publicize the fatal overpopulation problem.[...]Send copies of the texts to your relatives, acquaintances, friends, colleagues and associates; to physicians and scientists; to organizations of all types; to churches and sects that preach unrestrained human procreation; to environmental protection agencies and clubs of all types; to relief and peace organizations; to ministers, priests and clergymen; to radio and television stations, newspapers, journals, periodicals, tabloids and others; to the authorities, journalists, politicians, the military, legal authorities, schools and universities, attorneys, the government and all types of agencies; to private citizens, professors and officials; to businesses and corporations; to every Tom, Dick and Harry, and any other person of whom you may think. The overpopulation problem, along with the ensuing destruction of life on Earth and the planet itself, concerns all human beings, even those in the remotest and loneliest of hovels."[...]
The current list at 'Future of Mankind' is just not exhaustive.
Your assistance and suggestions in extending our range and/or in distributing the petition would be appreciated at webmaster@futureofmankind.co.uk or aepsilonm@hotmail.com - you would then also get acquainted with the rest of the team.
Salome. |
Getknowledge
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 02:07 am: |
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Randy,
Just to be sure that i have a clear understanding. From your post, growing all of what i need to survive accounts for the 1 acre of arable land for garden, or does that also account for the 20 acre of living space, too? Is the 20 acres based only on "space" alone, which in my thinking is for a horse and not a human, or does that space serve some of the things i use without knowing, too?
Tien
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 451
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 08:06 am: |
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Tien,
The life we live is dependent upon many factors not usually acknowledged nor noticed by many... The structure of the Earth needs a natural environment to provide what we need...
Too many people put undue pressure on the structure of the Earth and it may be necessary to have 20 acres "unpressured".
If we continue with this birthrate, we will have less than an inch of space per person. The weight of materials upon the Earth will create massive earthquakes, tidal waves and climatological catastrophes we cannot imagine.
529 million people lived on Earth in 1900. We now have over seven BILLION in 1000 years increasing at this time by 100,000 per month!
Microbes, fungi, plants and animals are necessary for correct functioning of a planetary system. Life spans from the microscopic to cosmic and causing extinction at any level has its repercussions. So what may be "space" to some is an entire Universe to others.
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Getknowledge
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 11:32 am: |
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Yes, thats where the space left only for nature comes into play, by reducing the collective human-mass.
Im only speaking of the, # 20, once its possible to have these conditions, left to a person; Isnt that a lot? like for a horse, or a tree that need it's space to grow. As human, why do we need 20 acres?
Are these only earth figures or do they apply to all humans in the universe, even on space-conscious mother-ships?
i posted this question to Billy, before reading your reply, so we will also see Billy's answer, if queued on time.
Tien
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 325
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 05:43 pm: |
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Randy wrote:
529 million people lived on Earth in 1900. We now have over seven BILLION in 1000 years increasing at this time by 100,000 per month!
Just to make a correction Randy -- in 1900 there were about 1.5 billion people on the planet, give or take a 100 million.
and it is over 100 years that our population has grown to 7 billion, not 1,000.
Robyn |
Phenix
Member
Post Number: 286
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:10 am: |
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Greetings,
A documentary openly naming overpopulation and defining it as a manmade disaster hanging above mankind is currently running on one official German TV station, ZDF (Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen).
Title: "Zeitzünder - Wer entschärft die Bevölkerungsbombe?"
Roughly: "Time fuse/time ignition/time mechanism(like in a bomb) - who defuses/will defuse the population bomb?"
http://abenteuerforschung.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/14/0,1872,7261006_idDispatch:8749719,00.html
(In German)
Courtesy of Achim Wolf, from the German forum( http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/show.cgi?5/1511 )
Heed to Creation!
Salome. |
Mgilbo1
Member
Post Number: 82
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 02:45 am: |
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Hi Indi,
Also, we are increasing by 95-150 million per year or higher depending on the birth rates. Much higher than 100k per month. Plus, we are more towards 7.8 billion now if I use 3 children per second over the last 14 years.
I think 3 per second might be low but its a good average.
Mark Gilbo
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1440
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 02:59 am: |
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Hi Mark Gilbo....
Yes, very 'disturbing' it is, such immense number.
Indeed, depending on the birth rates.
Not to forget such politicians whom propagate and - reward - couples with
MONEY...if they produce much offspring. This is well known in certain European
countries: just to keep the 'Economics' going! And as if...it helps!!!??
Looking at the - recession - and, what not. Economics is Stagnating...and now
we have a belly full of Global Overpopulation! Such a MADNESS...it is.....
An abundance of people and an abundance of material wealth, too much
competitiveness...which, in the end...will Fail, due to there not being any
Equilibrium...in the trade. SALES will not help...which is the - lost cause -
and down we go. Has to STOP....sometime.
An abundance of anything...is the Death of it all.....!!! [As the Plejarans
have mentioned to only gather what we need, and not to strive towards -
overabundance -, which in turn...will Destroy our environment and planet]
Raping Mother Nature from all her (Re)Sources...just to satisfy our Selfish
human Earthly Greed. We are only: digging our OWN...grave!
Now, I see Car Dealers, Stores (all sorts), Companies (all sorts)...etc...go
Bankrupt...all thanks to the above mentioned; which is Caused by the Causality
of: Global Overpopulation!!
Edward. |
Michael_horn
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 09:31 pm: |
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I want to encourage interested people to contact Thom Hartmann at http://www.thomhartmann.com. he had a portion of a show on overpopulation and I think that he really may get it and possibly be receptive to the efforts promoted here. |
Mavi
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 03:05 am: |
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hello,my dear Michael!!!!
Done, hope he does.
Peace |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 187
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 05:40 pm: |
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Dear figu friends:
Tuesday I gave my presentation about overpopulation and the reactions were ok considering how controversial the topic is.
We had to read a book "Collapse by Jared Diamond a professor and he wrote about overpopulation, so I thought I would speak about the problem in my presentation.
I started saying that I agree with him and my teacher asked:" How do we stop overpopulation?" I said that there has to be a regulation and criteria in order to become a parent, and I said that the government has to implement this rule.
My teacher didn't like that idea. So, I said that the laws need to be written in a logic way. He also tried to say that it is a human right to be able to be a parent and I said that we also have the human right to be born in a good planet and in a good home.
People with drug addictions and violence in their lives can't become parents. I never mentioned figu because they never asked. But i said that an organization in Switzerland calculated the ideal number of humans that this planet can sustain. At the end, everybody seemed to grasp the logic of having parenting rules.
There is only one controversy. I thought that poor people will have a hard time being parents under the rules and discrimination can be a issue. Native Americans are close to be extinct, but they also have high levels of alcoholism and drug addiction, they are very poor and there is violence in reservations.
What do you think?
All feedback is appreciated.
Salome,
Marcela.
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 276
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:47 am: |
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Marcela ... I say let the few Native Americans or whatever depressed peoples, who are responsible enough to be responsible parents, breed ... rather than furthering more problems through irresponsible parents and parenting.
Where I live, the deer population is thriving. People are quick to suggest 'culling' or controlling that population. However when it comes to controlling our own over-breeding and overpopulation, we don't see the resulting harm and destruction, and we are aghast at any suggestion about 'culling' or curbing our own human population. We remain separate from nature, separate ourselves from nature, and we therefore remain destructive Kings and Queens of our own nurturing habitat. |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 107
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 06:28 am: |
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Very interesting Marcela,
My oldest son now lives in an inner city setting, taking over my mother in-laws old house when she moved in with us and he is dealing with the neighbors midnight marital fights and parade of the trashy human behavior up and down the streets. Yet when I would suggest that people shouldn't be allowed to have children and be limited to how many until they have proven their parental abilities in some way, his immediate knee jerk response was resistance to it. I think mainly the issue of who will train prospective parents and or enforce the rules of no children before approval. More intrusion into our personal space.
If we do nothing now the future solution will be total gov't control in order to keep order and it may not be pretty, as with China's or Iran's heavy militant control over our lives no matter what country you live in.
With more discussion that followed with my son I asked him if there were people that he knew that had children that had very few parenting skills that would benefit from prerequisites of premarital and child rearing training requirements and he agreed that of course that would be good for them by he doesn't want to have the same controls over him.
When I bring up the idea of reducing the population with my wife she made an off handed remark about how I was like Eb. Scrooge trying to reduce the surface population.
It's going to take some time and effort but it must be done as everyone can see it's negative effect, but we must be the one's to make it happen so that the powers that be don't get the opportunity to reduce the population their way.
Matthew Beattie
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 216
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 06:53 am: |
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Hi Marcela ;
I think your'e doing great . Keep it going in your school , maybe with some notices of internet discussions like this one , or maybe a print out of facts and creative writing made available to fellow students .
Salome , Mark |
Freddy3980
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 09:20 am: |
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Some article I found about "China promoting a two-child policy:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6791&edition=2&ttl=20090724171626 |
Mavi
Member
Post Number: 34
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 11:07 am: |
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MARCELA, can you give me and idea on how to make a text to give a lecture or write in a magazine, about this issue.
Thanks
spanishcolors gmail.com |
Marcela
Member
Post Number: 188
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:22 pm: |
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Earthling:
I have observed meerkats in Africa; they have very strict rules about having offspring. For example, the leader is the one who gets pregnant and she will allow some females to breed in order to secure enough food for the colony. When a female has babies without permission, then she is outcast from the colony and the young ones are taken care off by the leader. I see them more evolved than we are, basically in that aspect.
A lot of people want to reconnect with nature, but the government has done a good job in hiding information to us, so people really are walking in darkness about our nature destruction. Jared Diamond gave a great speech about that at UC Santa Barbara, and he mentioned overpopulation.
Matthew:
The criteria or the rules encourage people to better their lives if they really want to become parents. It is a double gain. Because you clean your life, get a job or occupation, and basically go through all the procedure that some go to adopt.
Why can’t we use the adopting procedure in general? It would be a good start. It also goes the other way. If you have the possibility to raise more children, you should have them, and not be lazy and comfortable. Yes, it is sad to see people with bad behaviors having more children and the state takes the children away and they have to go to parenting classes, when this can be avoided from the beginning. Then the money can go to help poor people get out of poverty, instead of paying for foster programs and judicial processes to prosecute abusive parents.
Mark:
Thank you, I really want take any opportunity to send the message and plant seeds in people’s minds. But after the speech I felt like I didn’t do a good thing and I was regretting talking about it. It was like talking about segregation in the 60’s.
Campuses; however, are great to find progressive people and my teacher gave us some data about overpopulation, but he was skeptical about figu’s suggestions, and I didn’t even mention 50% of them. Nevertheless, I was ready to say that if you want more info you can go to such and such, but it didn’t happen. Next time, I will try to do it more formally, because we need to start somewhere.
Salome,
Marcela.
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Bianca
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 07:24 pm: |
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In most discussions about Over Population i find that people forget to mention "Contraception". I feel it is a person's right especially a woman's right to keep her body as her own domain. It is her choice to pregnancy but more importantly it is her duty to be able to provide a healthy future life with all necessities for welfare and appropriate moral values for the human that she will carry, and so consequently it is also a big responsibility of the male to think logically beyond the act.
All too often i see how TV shows are filled with sex acts and TV news filled with stories of drunken teenagers who succumb to what they see, namely the acts of sexual behaviour. As we know, what we see and hear acts as a 'reverse psychology' on the human mind therefore it is up to us parents to educate the next generation. |
Creational
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 01:02 am: |
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Dear Marcela,
Without delving into the politics of the issue of overpopulation, or whether or not it is deliberately forced upon us by the powers that be, there really should not be any dispute among us about the enormity of this challenge. Billy considers overpopulation as the humanity’s greatest problem for very many good reasons.
This is so, because there is a very insidious but real paradox hidden within this issue.
You see, this challenge is not as simple or obvious as the righteousness of peace vs. war or love vs. hate, or freedom vs. control or care vs. abuse, etc, etc, etc.
As a matter of fact, peaceful thinking mimics the positivity of overpopulating if you really think about it. And by the same token, the opposite side can easily be viewed as the one with truly negative intentions.
After all, even the universe is in the business of expansion. So, at a glance, one might naturally think; what is so wrong about expansion of human species if that’s what the universe itself is all about?
There is also, the negative notion of the issue of control in this crusade, since we naturally promote freedom vs. control of any kind. I mean, if the responsibility falls into the hands of oneself, then how one can argue that some form of authority oversees the birth of another human. Additionally, how is the abuse or misuse of the authority is controlled?
One may argue that; if each human, is not spiritually ripened or advanced enough to grasp the merit of this self control and to do it individually in his/her household without being overseen by authorities, then humanity as a whole is not spiritually ready to tackle this challenge by mere control and human laws and derivatives.
That same human or his neighbor sharing the same vibrational state may become the controlling agent and possibly abuse the systematic control.
So;
A society out of control and responsibility is a kind that each individual being the smallest unit of that society is indeed out of self control and self responsibility;
While a society in control and responsible, is one with each unit/individual of that society in complete self control and self responsibility. This ideal society (Plejaren society) only needs a king of wisdom, (god) and is not a police state.
Therefore, the responsibility and control must truly start from within each one of us in order to send the correct vibrational energy to affect our entire humanity, or else…
As a wise man once said;
If the first brick or building block is set on a perfectly level ground, then the wall built upon it will be leveled and straightened forever. Even if some of the bricks in the interim try to derail, the integrity of the wall forces the mischievous bricks in the right direction or be fallen from the well-brought-up wall.
At this point in time, Humanity is at the opposite side of this scale. There are a handful of straight bricks wanting to be leveled but the majority being crooked rule the deformity of the wall and truly forcing the righteous bricks in the wrong direction or off the wall completely.
My dear Marcela; that was the sort of challenged you faced during your presentation. I salute your braveness but we all need to remind one another the enormity that almost mimics impossibility of the task at hand due to its built-in paradox. But we shall not give up because we know better.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1453
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 02:04 am: |
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Hi Marcela....
Excellently summery!
Well, the teacher mentioning: it is a human right to be able to be a parent.
Well, he could take heed to the fact that his implications...should still
manifest within the framework of LOGIC...and the Global Overpopulation, in
general. LOGIC SHOULD be adapted and applied to the mentioned, if not he is
very Blind...to the matters as they really are.
At times...LOGIC...has more Priority than...Rights!
As Christian once mentioned, in the sense...that if is all still implemented
within LOGIC, which I would agree with; than....Rights has/is her Secondary
factor, to the concerning: RIGHTS, ok....but ONE child to a parents, and with
LOGIC...NO MORE; excellent Compromise!!(as can be with other aspects,
etc....). [As I once mentioned in an older previous posting of those Women
Lib groups whom act in False pretenses, and saying: 'it is my body and I can
do what I please'(if you leave it to them they would even Overpopulate our
planet even more...). But which is based on False pretenses, of course: a
child has than the right to have a mother as well as a FATHER(and not
fatherless, as those women want)...in the course of the child growing up and in general, and not in a Overpopulated Planet, as you smiliar have already mentioned.]
Overpopulation only brings us: Discrimination, Hate...WAR(s), etc, and as you
have already mentioned, some items.
I think your teacher should have been brought up in a big family of, let say
8-10 children, than....perhaps he would know WHAT it is all about! I came from
big family and could see how my mother and father...did...struggle to make all
ends meet, in such big family, as well as in many other Christian families...
whom just applied the Christian (False) concept, of: Go and Multiply. First,
THIS False concept must be eliminated from their Cult Religious non
sense...and than perhaps (Over)population growth will ease down...to
reasonable standards.
Billy mentioned similar scenario....once...
But, as they say: some people just do not look/think....further than the
length of their noses!
So, the Dilemma is: LOGIC and generate reasonable Out-comes....or/vs, is it
Rights...with Destructive Out-comes......??
Take your pick.....
Edward. |
Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 110
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 08:40 am: |
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I do think that many people already perceive a problem on the planet they just haven't made the determination yet as to the source. Many times I am the listener ( separate from this forum) of people's rants about their opinions of what needs to be done to solve some of societies problems and some of their solutions can be quite revealing of that person.
Sometimes the discussion goes to the political side, sometimes it goes to their not respecting of whatever their most undesirable group of people are to them. But the reality is they know that the planet is in trouble it's just that getting more people to see it and accept it as our problem and not some other person or gov't entity to fix.
It all comes back to the personal responsibility and maturity issue of some and not all of a society to make changes in perception and opinion with those that we meet. It has to start somewhere and that is person to person in a rational discussion.
Everyone loves to be asked what their opinion is and have someone actually listen, and then when they are finished I usually ask them if they think that too many people on the planet, ( to state it simply here) might be the cause of a lot of problems?
Peace to all of you,
Matthew Beattie
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Marcela
Member
Post Number: 189
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 07:40 pm: |
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Dear Bianca:
Contraceptive methods are the first step in the fight against overpopulation. There is one obstacle right now. In order to get a prescription for that, you must have a doctor to get a prescription, and you must have insurance to have a doctor. I don’t know if you can get the “pill” from a pharmacist, but if you can, it is also not very cheap without insurance. So the big problem is that no president in the history of the USA, since the depression, implemented universal health insurance in a successful way.
Women should have access to the pill for free! Women should not be put through the dilemma about pregnancy and contraception. Men are equally involved in the decisions making, but society always put the weight of the morals on the women. That really has to end.
Dear Zhila:
First I wanted to thank you for inviting me to do the Peace Meditation with you. If I ever go to the L.A. area, I will visit you for sure.
I must say that if we let the government control parenting rights, we have to watch out and be very ready to stop abuse and privileges.
Governments are not perfect and often use the law to oppress people, even in the USA. I think that the law must come from a proposition or a country in Europe. Then spread it to the world with the help of unicef. It very complicated and delicate, and I don’t know if we will be successful.
For example, I think that it would be irresponsible to bring children that you can’t support emotionally or economically, so I don’t really need the government telling me what to do in this regards, but a lot of people just have babies, when they can’t even provide the minimal for themselves. Also, I think that having a baby while using drugs should be penalized, as a first step towards regulation. It is a huge challenge, but it must happen; because population will be reduced by force of the government or by force of the nature, instead of by logic and good thinking. We still have the choice.
Edward and Mathew:
I didn’t know that overpopulation was that serious. I thought that nature was wise and the deaths were more than the births. But I have noticed how people have children even when they don’t have money or even when they don’t even want children. I thought that it was very sad.
But I didn’t realize that the planet is not endless. Nobody really realized it and nobody talks about tit either.
My teacher, who brought the topic, in the first place, was not very open- mind about the government situation. That shows you right there how big of a challenge we have in front of us.
Thank you guys for all the comments; it is nice to see your support even when we can’t see each other. I know you are there and it really helps to reassure myself about my presentation.
Salome,
Marcela.
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Johnnybalmain
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2009 - 02:15 am: |
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Hi All,
Just dropping a line to inform all Aussies that Kevin07 on his website is asking people for their opinions on what could be done to combat climate change. So I gave the Overpopulation line I invite all to give him your opinions.
Peace John |
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