| Author | Message | ||
    Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 973 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear David! Good one! :-D A point very well made. Very droll! Thanks for the laugh, if not the mental image. Best, Dyson | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 09-2007 |
Dyson, I did hope that this would create a few laughs. And that it wouldn't give some alien race with invasion plans any ideas... :-) Thanks David | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all: Bill Gates on Overpopulation. http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html A speech well built, and well delivered. Trying to keep it brief and concise. Salome Carlos (Colombian by birth, Kiwi by adoption, in Australia by choice, World Citizen by right) | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 08-2008 |
Oops I got it wrong (  ), Though Bill gates mentions the ideal population to be 2billion, he focuses on energy topic, rather than on the overpopulation factor. Apologies. Good presentation still I think. He is popular enough to help drive some changes forward. Trying to keep it brief and concise. Salome Carlos (Colombian by birth, Kiwi by adoption, in Australia by choice, World Citizen by right) | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2009 |
A real measure of a man can be seen in his history. Check and see how many Microsoft lawsuits crushed common people. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 10-2009 |
Btw Carlos, NO ONE writes their own speeches, they pay someone to do that for them. He may have presented it well, but those were not his words. The Gates Foundation recently announced they are spending $10 billion on vaccinations. How many of those vaccinations are going to be used experimentaly on people? | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 06-2009 |
In FIGU Bulletin 50, Billy answers a readers question and mentions that the earth storage banks revealed 128,713,911,000 reincarnating spirit form as of 18.04.2004 while the Plejaren gave the number 7,101,500,011 as the human population on earth as of 8.4.2004. Isn't it like 128 billion seem too high for a planet like earth to sustain? We talk about global overpopulation. But what about planet bound spirit overpopulation. Is this a possibility too? I was doing some rough calculations to determine the current reincarnation cycle time (for 128 billion spirits) given the current birth rate, but can't guarantee its reliability or correctness as some information might not be taken into account plus the fact that we know so much less. So here goes- Assumption:
Considering the assumptions,
Inference: If this ratio of 1:1.52 is to be maintained for 128 billion spirit forms, either,
Or else, given the status quo, the ratio has to be decreased to = 1.52 * 149,625,000 / 767,247,317 = .2964 i.e. 1:.3 approximately (a 86.31 year birth-death-birth cycle) = ridiculously low Salome. Suv | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 402 Registered: 06-2006 |
Suv The way I see it is that the 128 billion or so spiritforms provided by Creation for this planet are here as a safeguard number, to service the human population no matter how small or large and not provided so that each and every spiritform will have an equal turn so to speak. The ultimate goal for Creation is for it to increase its power via its own evolution, and it needs to build that up via the spiritforms it has created to do that task. However, it is not a prerequisite that each and every spiritform that is created will reach 100% of its potential before Creation's cycle will end. Even if the SF has only reached 1% of its potential at that time, that would be a great contribution to Creations own striving. I dont think that any power will be unused. Also, as the spiritforms available for reincarnation are of varying levels of 'power'/evolution, this creates a particular stratum which needs to be accommodated with the reincarnation process. Thus, there would only be a certain number of bodies and accompanying circumstances that would be appropriate/compatible for the further development of the various different evolutionary levels of each spiritform. I can also see that many spiritforms 'waiting in the wings' for their chance to shine ( :-) ) may have to wait a long long time and some may even wait for what can appear to be forever. But that is not really an issue for the spiritforms themselves, as they don't think about this kind of thing. They are just there, with a particular power level, doing service to Creation, unconsciously in this instance, without degenerating their power levels if perchance they miss out on taking a turn. It reminds me of the turtles that hatch out in certain places around the world, including here in Australia. For every 1000 little creatures that break out of their hidden sandy incubator, only 1 will grow to adulthood. Now, that might seem a shame, but it is a natural sacrifice that is made for the sake of the 1 that will make it. Even with this ratio of 1:1000, the plight of the 999 that don't make it is not in vain, for in order for that '1' to survive this is what must occur. They have contributed to the final goal magnificently, without ego getting in the way. They all head for the water with equal gusto, not knowing their fate. I can see that maybe that is the scenario going on here as well. Robyn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 06-2009 |
My reply to Robyn in the Reincarnation, Death and Storage Banks Thread as the discussion is deviating from the overpopulation topic. Salome. Suv | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 325 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in Wisdom be with you, This is to inform you, that a political party centered on and dealing specifically with the issue of population has been created in Australia - where else?!:-) It is called 'Stable Population Party of Australia', SPPA. The convenor of the SPPA, Mr. Bourke, contacted us, The Circle For Humanity, with the following message: "Subject: Stable Population Party of Australia - formation From: William Bourke <stablepopulation@live.com.au> Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32 am To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net Dear Interested Parties You may be aware that Stable Population Party of Australia is being formed to tackle the critical issue of population. You can find further information at www.populationparty.com, including policies and membership details for your consideration. Without 500 members in the short term, we can't give voters a real choice. Thanks and regards William Bourke Stable Population Party of Australia www.populationparty.com" The SPPA pursues the following: A/ Key objectives - To stabilise Australia's population at around 23 million until 2050. - To provide leadership and support to other countries experiencing rapid population growth, so as to help them stabilise their populations, and thus help stabilise global population. B/ Policies - Adopt a formal national 'population policy' to stabilise Australia's population at around 23 million until 2050. - Adopt a balanced and sustainable migration program, with annual immigration at around *50-80,000, being equivalent to total annual emigration. - Reject any selection of immigrants based on race. - Maintain Australia's current refugee and humanitarian intake level, within the broader immigration quota. - Abolish the Baby Bonus and re-direct funds to genuinely needy families and children. - Tie foreign aid wherever possible to the improvement of governance and economic and environmental sustainability, with a particular focus on women's rights and on opportunities for couples to access family planning services. (Note: the proposed immigration level is around the average per capita rate for major Western countries.) Heed to Creation! Salome, Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 09-2007 |
I'm pleased to see how so many persons in Australia are thinking outside of the "more-people-is-better" box. Namely, by the awareness shown on the comments to this story: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/populate-and-prosper/story-e6frg6zo-1225812906884 David | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2007 |
To Adam/Phenix, Stephen Moore, and anyone else who is interested. I highly reccommend looking at this website and the global issues they address. http://www.unfoundation.org/ | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 07-2008 |
Thanks, Schantz; we shall have a close look at that Foundation and see, whether there are some ways to work together. It looks like Australia is setting a good example on this issue, indeed Borthwey. Thank you also for the link. Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 327 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in wisdom be with you, Our good partner, Mr. Bill Ryerson, president of Population Media Center (PMC)/Population Institute - the latter being the initiator of the action 'Global Population Speak Out': http://gpso.wordpress.com/ - , has kindly shared with us the new, made for TV, Public Service Announcement of the PMC: http://www.populationmedia.org/where/united_states/psa-campaign/ His message goes on saying, "When was the last time you saw a TV ad about unsustainable population growth - and what you could do to help? PMC is excited to announce the release of our first ever public service announcement aimed at an American audience on the issue of population." Mr. Ryerson and the PMC would appreciate any help with the dissemination of this short (32 seconds) video document. Thank you, Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 328 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in wisdom be with you, We would like to share a couple of updates with the forum. - Mr. Bourke of the Stable Population Party of Australia, the SPPA, sent another message to The Circle For Humanity, the CFH: "Subject: RE: Stable Population Party of Australia - formation: Acknowledgement and Best Wishes From: William Bourke <stablepopulation@live.com.au> (Add as Preferred Sender) ? Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 7:19 pm To: <adam@thecircleforhumanity.net> Hi Adam I've had a chance to look and we're on the same page! Unfortunately, given we're overwhelmed with information, emails, feedback, ideas, etc, I can't read all of your emails but appreciate the support and most importantly your help to spread the message. Kind regards William Bourke Stable Population Party of Australia www.populationparty.com [SPPA logo] SPPA is committed to the philosophy of a stable, sustainable, open and tolerant Australia." So far, so good, thus. - The CFH also received yet another positive reaction to its overpopulation awareness message, this time from the representative of the World Bank in Sri Lanka: "Subject: A Re: Earth and Human Population: Development, Responsibility, Sustainability - A Plea to H. E. Dilinika Peiris; World Bank South Asia, Sri Lanka From: dpeiris@worldbank.org (Add as Preferred Sender) ? Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 10:37 pm To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net Thank you for sharing this information with us. I have shared it with my colleagues as well. Best regards, Dilinika Dilinika Peiris | dpeiris@worldbank.org World Bank Country Office in Sri Lanka Public Information Center (PIC) 73/5 Galle Road Colombo 3 Sri Lanka web: www.worldbank.lk" See the page 'Endorsements' of our site ( http://www.thecircleforhumanity.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=194&Itemid=97&lang=en ) for a couple of such samples. Heed to Creation, indeed! Salome, Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 07-2008 |
PS: just in case, with 'I've had a chance to look' in "I've had a chance to look and we're on the same page!", Mr. Bourke meant, that he looked at our websites - our mean site, 'The Circle For Humanity'(CFH), 'Future of Mankind' and possibly also 'They Fly' of Mr. Horn and maybe even 'FIGU USA' itself, for they are all connected at the CFH site - , as previously announced, here: "Subject: RE: Stable Population Party of Australia - formation: Acknowledgement and Best Wishes From: William Bourke <stablepopulation@live.com.au> (Add as Preferred Sender) ? Date: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:29 pm To: <adam@thecircleforhumanity.net> Dear Adam Thank you for the email. I will have a good look through your websites over the weekend. Keep up the good work, we have a common, vital goal. Kind regards William Bourke Stable Population Party of Australia www.populationparty.com" Salome. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 10-2004 |
Racial affiliations will largely cease to be important when pretty much everyone can birth an offspring of whatever race they like. In that circumstance our species collectively drifts towards producing the best offspring according to our collective values. Should those values be based in love, beauty and wisdom are the result, which will reflect itself upon our species genetic makeup. Additionally, such things as the overwhelming need to generate children at a time of overpopulation, or the predisposition to destructive levels of aggression, or even just general low vibes, may someday be genetically toned down. Indeed, through the magic of genetic engineering, we may one day ourselves be able to largely change sexes, races, heights, weights, even types and numbers of appendages. Again, with love as our guide, our species evolves towards beauty and wisdom. Love is always the way | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Sitkaa, My reply in Planet Earth -> Genome science thread. Salome. Suv | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in wisdom be with you, Thanks, indeed Smukhuti. We would like to share a couple of updates on overpopulation and on some concrete/effective - id est, in the practice - developments in this field. In case, some of us are not yet aware of it, the environmental conservationist of the first hour, so to speak, Ms. Jane Goodall of the Jane Goodall Institute, has added her influential voice to the plea for overpopulation awareness (courtesy of CFH member Stephen Moore): Population growth should be curbed: conservationist Goodall Wednesday, March 24 http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100324/tuk-population-growth-should-be-curbed-c-a7ad41d.html Briefly: "Humans should have fewer babies to help the global battle against climate change, according to the renowned British primatologist and conservationist Jane Goodall. Goodall, whose 1960s research on chimpanzees changed perceptions of relations between humans and animals, fears the controversial issue has slipped down the agenda in the debate about man's impact on the environment. "It's very frustrating as people don't want to address this topic," said the 75-year-old English scientist. "It's our population growth that underlies just about every single one of the problems that we've inflicted on the planet. "If there were just a few of us then the nasty things we do wouldn't really matter and Mother Nature would take care of it -- but there are so many of us," she told AFP in an interview [...]" CFH member Ramirez also shared with us a video presentation by Mr. Dick Smith, wherein this prominent endorser of the Stable Population Party of Australia, the SPPA, makes a sound, articulate, eloquent and pretty convincing case for overpopulation awareness, first in his own Australia, then worldwide, and advocates birth/population regulations. The resemblance with the approach of Billy/FIGU is pretty remarkable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ui27Zlf4iY It is also worth indicating, that the SPPA has posted on the front page of its site, under 'Global Issue', the powerful video call for overpopulation awareness/birth control advocacy of Sir David Attenborough, provided by/in the presentation of another Australian CFH member, Marksmanr-Reece - including the correct peace symbol/logo of the CFH, hence leading directly to Billy/FIGU: http://www.populationparty.com/Home Heed to Creation! Salome, Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in Wisdom be with you, Here is an update from our Australian friend, MP Thomson from Wills, who works closely with 'The Circle For Humanity' and the Population Institute' action 'Global Population Speak Out', GPSO. It is about the "nomination to add human population growth in Australia as a threatening process under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999." An important initiative indeed - the 'Aussies' are indeed taking the lead, as CFH member Marksmanr-Reece, who happens to be...Australian, so rightly (proudly!:-)) stressed it. "Subject: ACF Nomination From: "Hamilton, Tim (K. Thomson, MP)" <tim.hamilton@aph.gov.au> (Add as Preferred Sender) ? Date: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 8:23 pm To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net Dear All, I am attaching for your information the Australian Conservation Foundation nomination to add human population growth in Australia as a threatening process under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. As the nomination points out, Population growth is the first driver in a complex chain of direct and indirect effects on Australias biodiversity. It underpins and exacerbates nearly every other threat to our ecological life support systems. The Third Intergenerational Report, Australia to 2050: future challenges, projected that Australias population will reach 35.9 million by 2050. If this is allowed to happen it will have devastating effects on our ability to protect our unique wildlife and ecosystems. I believe that if the nomination is successful it will enable us to be better equipped to deal with the environmental consequences of an escalating population in Australia. Yours sincerely, Kelvin Thomson MP Member for Wills" The official document-bid for nomination, which is too large to be attached here, could soon be consulted at the CFH site: www.thecircleforhumanity.net ( Am i right, Stephen Moore and Reece? ) A confirmation of reception shall be sent to the office of MP Thomson and this news added to the news page and at the overpopulation groups of the 'Care2' community, which are dedicated to the commendable efforts of the Stable Population Party of Australia, the SPPA, on this urgent issue, - here: http://www.care2.com/news/member/512435220/1428389 - and here as well: 'Human Overpopulation Control Group': http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=186&pst=1131644 and 'Population Growth Group': http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=1961&pst=1295528 Let's wish the best of success to our Australian co-workers. Heed to Creation! Salome, Adam. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 01-2009 |
Phenix and all I will upload the full document to the CFH website today, in about 4 hours time as I have to work now. Once it is uploaded I will provide a link here. The document will be in PDF format. I may also try to provide a link to it through our website (if it doesnt infringe any copyright laws etc) Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all As mentioned in the above 2 posts by Phenix and myself. Here is the link to the document 'population growth in australia - key threatening process nomination' http://www.thecircleforhumanity.net/images/stories/population%20growth%20in%20australia%20-%20key%20threatening%20process%20nomination.pdf This is a direct link to the document. Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2009 |
Deserts Spreading Like 'Cancer' http://news.discovery.com/earth/deserts-middle-east.html THE GIST: * Deserts are expanding rapidly, devouring fertile land and soaking up water resources. * Desertification is threatening to uproot millions from their homes. * Climate change and a growing population are the root causes of this phenomenon. Until you know yourself, just shut your mouth - mahigitam.. |
