| Author | Message | ||
    I. Hiltunen |
Hello everyone, I've been wondering why there are no human skeletons found that are older than ape fossiles? Have none been preserved or found? Have the archaeologists misdated them (or not researched them at all)? Or are they being suppressed not to release that sort of information? I don't think Darwin's evolution theory is stupid, because it's probably the best we can do with the scientific info at hand. And it makes much more sense than some old, primitive creation stories like the one in Bible. But I think it's being taught too much as the final truth, when it's actually only a theory. And probably a false one. | ||
Jani Metso |
Hello, I. Hiltunen, Are you perhaps from Finland or do you know if some of your relatives were Finnish? Just interested to know, as I've not been successful at all finding anybody else from Finland, interested in FIGU and "Billys" teachings. It's however good to be "back here" again after almost year since I last could participate in the interesting topics discussed in this forum. Sincerely, Jani Metso | ||
Ilkka Hiltunen |
Hello Jani, Yeah, I'm also from Finland and interested in FIGU and Billy Meier. In my early teens (I'm 17 now) I became very interested in UFOs and spiritual things and read a lot of text about these subjects. When I first found out about Billy Meier's case I had lots of doubts but after studying it more I've become pretty convinced about it being real. You're free to mail me if you like. -Ilkka Hiltunen | ||
Richard G. |
Hello, I would like to see more info on this subject as well. I attended a seminar with Guido M. in California several years ago and this was the first time I heard the topic brought up. I have not seen any info. since. I saw a show on PBS the other night with the latest info. on DNA and Gene science. It has been proven beyond doubt now that all life on this planet uses the same set of genes as a building block. Apparently nature decides to experiment with subtle variations of these building blocks to create different lifeforms. This was proven by inserting genes from a mouse into a fruitfly and growing a leg ( a fly leg). They could also make it grow on any section they wanted to. I was completely blown away. I'm not sure how this would tie into apes deriving from humans, but obviously we need the rest of the story. I have discussed these problems before, because we never see anything profound out of the info. Billy stated he was in comtact with Plejarans and he provided photographs, sound, and metal. But does it end there? They can't get upset at people for criticism when all we get is snippets. The apes share the same gene pool, but so does everything else. Anyone care to elaborate? | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hello Richard, "I have discussed these problems before, because we never see anything profound out of the info." Question: Have you read the majority of Billy's writings (thousands upon thousands of pages) that are, at this point, only in the German language? Marc | ||
Richard G. |
Hi Marc, No I haven't and that's the problem. I was one of the first in this country to recieve the photo albums and the contact notes, of which I have all that were translated into english. We all assumed (in the US) that the english versions as released by Wendelle Stevens were somewhat accurate. It wasn't until many years later that Billy made a statement declaring the English translated versions inaccurate. So we are basically left in the dark. This brings up another point. Why would such an advanced race decide to that Billy shoudl translate the material into German only? The german language is by far an extreme minority among the world languages. If you want to communicate only to the German people, then they should have kept in in Germany, Switzerland only. And not released to the rest of the world. This logic just doesn't make any sense to most people here. Most of the people I turned on to this information were very intelligent and science oriented people (Engineers at Motorla) and they all posed the same logical questions. You can't simply say that's the way it is. This brings up another point. I have seen the group blast critics for asking the same types of questions. The Plejarans stated that a human should never take any info. at face value and should test it to find the truth. How can one determine the truth when you don't have allthe data? You end up taking it on faith alone. So what's the point of givng out any info in the first place? There are so many unanswered questions. Regards, Richard P.S. We are all hungry for info!!!! | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Richard, I feel your pain. Every one of us English-speaking folk have this quandry, unless, of course, you've mastered the German language. As far as the data -- there is plenty of information already in English at the moment to prevent one from taking things at face value. And there is ample opportunity to test things out in this case, to adequately research, to find the truth. The problem is, we humans tend to constantly raise the bar where "required proof" is concerned, hence we're never truly satisfied. Too many armchair warriors also want everything handed to them on the proverbial platter when they could go visit Billy Meier or talk to the eyewitnesses themselves or visit the contact locations and analyze away, etc. The reasons for selecting German as the primary language for the dissemination of this info are manyfold and are available in the texts by Billy Meier. But to summarize briefly, this language is one of several languages descended directly from ancient extraterrestrial "tongues" and is one of the most advanced languages in existence on Earth (e.g. many new compound/complex words can be easily formed.) Many other reasons for this are discussed in the texts, including the non-transferrable "code" which is embedded and activated only within the German language. It would require pages to explain, so if you do keyword searches here and on the FIGU site, you can perhaps find out more about this. It's the responsibility of the people on Earth to translate the information given to Billy Meier by the Plejarans into their respective languages, and/or to learn the language in which the information was conveyed. Indeed, a lot of work needs to be done by many to accomplish this, and therein the lesson may be hidden: there's something to be said about toiling for profound, life-changing information instead of having it spoonfed to you (my opinion). I studied German for about a year specifically to read the texts I couldn't otherwise read. I agree -- most of us are hungry for this info, but to what degree are we truly hungry? Regards, Marc | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hello Richard ; True to form , Marc tells it like it is . We have a bad habit , in the modern world to try to place reason below our own sensibilities , if you can call it that .We ask , "why didn't they make it easier to spread to the masses ?", and by now , you should know that the masses would never go for this teaching , not now . Our people take 200 lbs. of certainty and ignore it for 12 ounces of what we don't understand . The other outstanding feature of our impressive humanity is that we as a whole , put complete trust in the authorities of the day ; whether they tell us the Earth is flat , not so flat , or shaped like a banjo . Somewhere in the equation is god , and the presence of this entity exists completely in the minds of the multitudes , and those that use them . The specific result of religions is disagreement - the deep , dark , hateful to the bones kind of spite that knows no equal . Even different factions of the same religions are in desperate, senseless conflict daily . Along comes someone who clears away all the illusion , explains everything in detail , and still there is some question as to why things aren't easier to access , or provable beyond a shadow of a doubt , in an irrefutable manner . And now I ask you , if you were giving away a gold mine to only those who would come and dig for it , why would you deliver your gold to the ones who won't? I'm surprised that the map to the place is even available , but it is . Now I'm not an authority on the subject , I'm only learning .For anyone who reads this , you can be sure that there are concrete reasons that I think in this way .You don't have one opinion one day and another opinion the next .I can't call it a beleif , because beleifs are just opinions .Faith is yet another word that connotates "waiting for a promise". Cause and effect are the only dependable forces in existence ( in a Creational context) , and effectively responsible for everything that is .I think it's appropriate to say that I have faith in cause and effect , but for that , I wouldn't be "waiting" very long .Keep reading what you have . After the fifth or sixth or twentieth time , you might start to see it for the first time , if you really pay attention .The key is as much in your thought process as it is in the words themselves . All the Best , Mark | ||
Richard Garrison |
In regards to Marc J., Wow, that was the first time I had ever heard that info. And of course it makes somewhat more sense now. But there is still the problem of what English translated material is available vs the innacurate material. I am not a slouch when it comes to searching and buying the info. related to the Meier case. As I stated before I was the first person here outside of the Stevens and Elders group showing the photos from the first photo book. You would have been surprised at how many people were receptive when you had that type of material. Now granted many of them didn't seek further, but it still solidified what they had told me was a strong underlying belief in it anyways. When I started presenting the contact notes was when things turned a little crazy. There were alot of things missing. I can understand the goldmine concept, but you simply can't expect the larger population to go out and learn German. Obviously the ones who feel the need, will. I personally felt I should have been in the situation where Mike Whelan is, considering how much I supported this cause in the beginning, but I got to the point in my life where I was satisfied with what I had, and of course my earthly material desires kicked in and I took another road. Basically I came back around because of the internet and the ability to get up to date info. faster. There simply were no books being released here in the USA. I bought other books claiming knowledge but the group deemed them frauds (i.e. Fred Bell etc.) so I threw the books away. I have monitored the site since it first came up, curious as to what was happening. | ||
Richard Garrison |
I have been discussing this subject of apes deriving from man, or backwards evolution with a friend who is very well knowledged in chemistry and biology, and he simply states that nature does not de-evolve an already superior lifeform into something inferior, i.e. there would be no point in nature wasting that much time. According to the earthly experts, nature experiments very very slowly until it gets it right and then goes full steam ahead. I am studying chemistry right now and I have a much better basic grasp of how things must operate in nature for other things to occur. Does anyone have more info? I'm waiting to hear. This could be an interesting thread. | ||
Phil McAiney |
The apes did not naturally evolve from man but were genetically engineered from human beings by extraterrestrials living on Earth at the time. Just like the seven, basic races of humans were genetically created from a hybrid mix of half-human, half-extraterrestrial. | ||
Richard G. |
Well, now that's more like it. I'm starting to see that there is alot more underlying info. than meets the eye. I sure wish I knew German. And there is the number seven again. I rememeber asking Guido at a seminar what the significance was with 7. It must be creations way of putting it's stamp on reality, or??? What really struck me was when Guido stated that mankind on earth did not evolve but was actually a special creation. I did take some notes, but there wasn't alot of info available. I really enjoy these topics, and can never get enough. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2004 |
When asked about the possibility of finding a missing link between the ape and man, a famous osteopath once remarked that we'd never find one. Reason: The missing link between a quadruped and a biped is a tripod! Skeltical structure according to the doctor, whose name escapes me, does not make one possible, nor the evolution from one into the other. The hip, or pelvis, bone just won't work if it starts changing/evolving; it's got to be one or the other, in his opinion. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2004 |
Personally I think there will be a complete, faultless translation online service available within the next 10 years that will translate from any language into any other language (certainly the common ones), then it won't matter what original language the Pleraran material is/was in. Maybe the Plejarans were also aware of this eventual cnline development making this a mute issue for our future, if not frustrating for the the non-German speaking world of the present? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 10-2000 |
I could be wrong but this seemed like an appropriate category for this: And the Silliest Humans in the Universe award goes to: http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/certificates BTW, Salla is the genius who supports "Alex Collier" as a "life long Andromedan contactee" and who has doubts about Meier and the TJ, of course. Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 07-2004 |
It's bad enough we have politics messing us up here, but to pay someone to learn how to deal with ET's(as "silly as it truly is") is another stupid human belief that we can control more intelligent beings with just our language skills. Exo-knuckleheads. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 694 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Matthew, I thought this might be an appropriate area to post this video, since you shared the one about Mr. Chang. I'm not in his league but I do have fun with this thing. Looking forward to the information on acupuncture, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcUa_02pvUU Michael Horn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2009 |
This is a recent news "Discovery in Ethiopia Casts Light on Human Origins" http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=8723919 | ||
C_andre New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2009 |
Myth Busted: Humans Never Evolved From Chimpanzees Although chimpanzees remain our closest living primate relatives, there is now no evidence that Homo sapiens somehow evolved from chimpanzee-like individuals, losing chimp characteristics over time. Instead, after the chimp/hominid split, the two groups appear to have gone their separate evolutionary ways, developing the unique traits seen in each today. Alan Walker, a professor of biological anthropology at Pennsylvania State University who did not work on the project, said that the Ardipithecus fossils "tell us that the anatomy of closely related living species cannot predict the anatomy of their ancestors very accurately." Walker said, "It now seems, from the analyses carried out by the discoverers and their colleagues, that the last common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans was much less chimpanzee-like than previously thought." He concluded that the unveiling of the new hominid "is certain to cause considerable rethinking of not only our evolutionary past, but also that of our living relatives the great apes." http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/10/01/ardi-human-ancestor-02.html | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1487 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi C_andre... Welcome to the FIGU board! Yes, I saw that one. Does open new doors with much perspectives.... Somewhere along the line, there should indeed....be a LOST LINK...related to what Billy and the Plejarans have made know to us. Which will BUST...Darwin's deluded: Trickery! Being Ignorant is something else, but...Consciously... proceeding such False concepts, as being truth: only a Con Man...could do something like that!! Pleasant Studying... Edward. | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 02-2009 |
215th Contact, February 28, 1987 Quetzal : From the more distant descendants of all these human forms, who appeared in various places on the Earth, such as in Africa, Australia, Japan, China, America, South America and in Europe, etc., as you now call these areas, there were already early accumulations of dwellings – settlements, as you say – in which whole kinships gathered together. Such sites are known to us on Earth, and they exhibit an age of 736,000 and of 811,000, 970,000 and 1,200,000 years. CORROBORATION : Chinese challenge to 'out of Africa' theory http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18093-chinese-challenge-to-out-of-africa-theory.html "The discovery of an early human fossil in southern China may challenge the commonly held idea that modern humans originated out of Africa." In nature there are no names... - mahigitam | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1717 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mahigitam... Yes, there are indeed, what is called: Misplaced Artifacts. It be in any shape or form. Have read in the past concerning the mentioned, from clay pottery to human skeletons, etc...which, were discovered where were not to have been! Todays, historians, truly DO....have very much catching up...to do. And revise the African and Java 'mens'(human being) theory, which is taken as our ancestorial roots. Edward. | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 02-2009 |
hi edward,just got my 2 ordered books, "Hidden history of human race" & its sequel " The Human devolution-Vedic alternative to Darwins theory of evolution" by cremo & thompson...love to go through those books.which will shed a lot of light on this knowledge filter & suppressed findings In nature there are no names... - mahigitam |
