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    Michael_horn Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 07-2009 |
The video on this page about the microbes is very hopeful, I wondered why we hadn't heard anything about using them so far in the clean up stage: http://hubpages.com/hub/BP-oil-disaster-cleanup | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2004 |
What is it like to feel the planet slowly dieing? It is a sad, sad song. A song of soft remorse for what could have been, of potential yet unmet. An entity we barely understood, are hardly aware of, is bleeding to death right in front of us, in full view of all of us. How hard is it to be aware of that? We need to throw everything we have towards fixing this damn hole, for good. Love is always the way | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 1038 Registered: 03-2004 |
> No Rod, it is not so simple because the immense pressure of the oil coming > out of the sight is a problem that noone outside of the actual situation > seems to understand. It is this problem precisely which makes your idea > undoable (there's my technical word for the day!) at best. As far as the > magnet thing, the only real way to implement that would be a low impedence > coil of few turns and low resistance thick cable, followed by an intense > pulse of current. this would crush the pipe shut to a large degree and > would not require continuous current. A simplified version of this can be > found on the web. Google "quarter shrinking" to see what I mean... | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 10-2004 |
Fulfilling my civic duty, here is my letter to the U.S. Senate. If you like it please feel free to modify it or use directly to contact your Senator. Date: June 16, 2010 Dear U.S. Senate and associated zombies, c/o Senator Richard Burr: Since we have already established a vague relationship through a series of correspondence with Senator Burr, I thought to write you again, and let you know what I think of this whole oil spill fiasco. I don't expect you will listen to me, but I hope you do. Pastor Lindsey Williams has stated that the leaking deposit of oil BP drilled into is part of the somewhat well-known large oil deposit that sits below the continent. The pressures of the upwelling methane, oil, and sand coming from this level of depth can be greater than 70,000 psi, which you must know by now. Apparently we do not currently have the technological tools readily available to work both at the well pressures involved and at the oceanic depth of 5000 ft. Since the Pastor's initial interview, I have seen the disaster slowwly turn into a catastrophe while denial of the scale of this problem has been officially expressed every single step of the way. Many other experts and scientists of various fields have come forth to say that this problem is worse than has been reported for a variety of reasons. The soft broken strata around the Gulf of Mexico allows this oil to seep up from under the continent relatively quickly, now expressing itself through your ‘well’, then into the surrounding strata and then directly into the ocean. You opened a vein which has hastened this process to such an extent that the geologic enormity of this situation is unprecedented in this age. The amount of methane and oil being spewed forth is far greater than being reported. Even if you were to manage to put a stopper in this leak right now, not only would the Gulf be poisoned, but parts of the Atlantic as well. The oil plumes and subsequent slicks will further affect oceanic and atmospheric patterns that are already out of balance, while toxic gasses and particulates will rain down poison both over the oceans and on the Southeast, further reducing the environment’s ability to absorb carbon, and pushing the atmospheric composition one step closer to its already inevitable carbon cascade this much more quickly. In light of all this I wanted to let you know what your constituent advisor, as presented through my own self, has to say about this. No matter how much you may try and deny it, the fact is that the damn thing is outa control. If this fissured subcontinental vein doesn't stop expressing itself, the catastrophe will only increase in scope and scale as it further drives the planet’s atmosphere to heat up so much that it will ultimately only be good for Thomas Gold’s thermophilic bacteria. And yet you still maintain official denial. How can you not understand how delicately balanced our biosphere is? You guys really screwed the pooch this time. I hope you are watching this oil catastrophe at every moment, cause you did it, you caused this. You did it with your short-sighted power-hungry hypocritical conniving, your emphasis on imposing an oil-based economy, your circumspect reprisal against free energy technologies, your lax attitude towards corruption, cronyism, and corporate greed, your incessant denial of our reality. So, why don’t you watch this and watch all of our lives slip away as our living planet bleeds to death in front of everyone? You pulled this trigger and no one else, so you watch this and see how long your incessant denial can last. Here’s a link: www.cnn.com Begrudged ironies said, now let’s get down to business. It is anybody’s guess if pumping massive amounts of concrete down your relief wells will work or just make the problem worse. Personally, I am guessing that the initiative will at least temporarily succeed, but who knows: perhaps we will have to develop procedures to deal with our geologic instability that could take decades to implement, and perhaps we will simply be unable to stopper this seep. However it plays out, we might be able to enlist some wiser help with developing creative solutions than what is currently being exhibited. Although I am not a perfect person, not by any measure, I can at least point you in the right direction towards developing realistic solutions to global sustainability issues, and would be willing act as an intermediary between you and people who might actually help put this oil genie back in its bottle. Just ask me how. Sincerely yours, Michael Helfert P.S.: I hope to hear from you. Love is always the way | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1295 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Greetings All, That Peace and Wisdom should Prevail, A very telling analysis of the impending total failure of the well blowing toxic oil and gas. This assessment is quite gloomy, yet very realistic and well documented, so be forewarned. A lot of insight in the knowledge here: ... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread582892/pg1 Yes, we are seeing the prophecies come true before our very eyes. These disasters are the responsibility of the Earth Human in their greed and foley. ***** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 07-2009 |
I can't post on ATS because they seem to be quite allergic to the truth about Meier being the prophet for these times, which I tried to point out more than once. So may I suggest that people who wish to can register on ATS and point out that for DECADES Meier and the Plejaren have been trying to warn us against extracting oil. Some of the info is in these links: http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.htm http://theyfly.com/How_Earth_Produces_Oil.htm I don't know if this is the great catastrophe for the North American continent (Henoch Prophecies), maybe not because this is going to affect many other places too, I don't know. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1811 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael..... Yes, seems very Logical: cleaning up with the use of Microbes. Scientifically Possible! Let the elements of Nature Neutralize those elements which unbalance her... through her own components. Always SEEK WITHIN, no? Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1812 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael.... Yes, it will indeed E(A-)ffect Globally! Some Conservative parties here, even...have no idea of the Overpopulation Bomb and just say: 'it is just only...Nature at work'. Which is of course, ridiculous! Here too, they are extracting gas, oil, etc...which is having Effect and Affecting the country, with tremors, regularly. Just as the phenomenon of Tornados, but in a much smaller version; as is the case even frequently in Great Britain! For them it was 'unheard of' till the last number of decades, ago. Thus, Tornados are becoming very frequent occurrences up here in the upper northern continent and countries, concerning. Pillars Of Wind, are now manifesting, and before we know it...there will be the mentioned - Pillars Of Fire -, as mentioned in the Prophecies....! Our Environment is truly....taking the toll....alas, to say. The Late Bloomers...should indeed WAKE-UP.... Edward. | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 497 Registered: 06-2006 |
From the German forum, Hans answered some questions from the members re the Plejaren and the oil spill. http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/show.cgi?17/2535 He mentioned that in his recent visit Ptaah did not offer solutions, but mentioned how much oil was being lost per day, and that it was increasing. Hans went on to say that it would be ‘convenient’ for us earth people if the Plejaren were to provide a solution, and they certainly would have one. But he asks what would the earth humans learn if the Plejaren provided a solution in the Gulf? It would be likely that once it was fixed, further high-risk ventures would be considered and undertaken, with nothing having been learned from this disaster. Hans says that the Plejaren would easily be able to fix the leak, and mop up the pollution as well, however past warnings of disasters triggered by human hands have been 'thrown to the wind', and if they fixed this one then the earth human would be free to create another disaster in the future, with no responsibility for the past one. The Plejaren have said they will only intervene if what we get up to here could harm other worlds and their people, because it is universally understood that if they did intervene in this one or other man-made disasters, would lead to indescribable degeneracy of the earth human. It is so important that we arrive at our ability to venture into space beyond our Sol-system, as developed consciousness-wise, as well as mentally, psychologically and technically as possible, which is far from the uneducated barbarians we are now. Robyn | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 07-2009 |
Robyn, Thanks for that post re the Plejaren and our spill. The bottom line is that Meier and they have been warning us for almost 60 years. Now we get to deal with the results of human arrogance, ignorance, greed, stupidity, etc. Unfortunately this will entail a lot of very long suffering for everyone and everything on our world. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2004 |
Thanks Robyn for the heads up. I can understand and agree with the things Ptaah has said re: the oil spill. I am struck more and more by how we have culturally only just arisen from the stone age, myself included. That said, I question our ability to fix this problem, as apparently have so many professional oil-men. I feel for the Earth, for life upon it that is so affected by our clumsy society and the obtuse vibe through which we live. I am pursuing solutions primarily out of concern for the life on this planet, and to lesser degree for the humans which are unwittingly only a part of it. It wouldn't do any good to ask for the Plejarens to reconsider, since their reasoning makes sound sense. We still need to come up with a solution somehow, from somewhere, and hopefully learn common sense from this fiasco. Love is always the way | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2004 |
Although I don't understand German, the best I can figure from translating Hans comments, ~ 8.2 - 14.6 million liters per day is spewing out. This equates to: ~ 2.166 - 3.857 million gallons (U.S., liquid) ~ 51,500 - 91,800 barrels (petroleum) ~ 68,800 - 122,400 barrels (U.S., liquid) The oil is increasing its flow rate as it erodes the hole. Please feel free to correct my translation if you like. Love is always the way | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 10-2004 |
Very few people trust for-profit competitive ventures to do the right anymore, and in the case of BP that mistrust seems well placed. http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/officials-worried-about-gulf-cleanup Cleaning up this oil spill, assuming we ever get around to it, could absorb an inordinate amount of the productive value of our current economic system. Might I suggest developing a more efficient economic system that can readily deal with the sustainability challenge? I hate to overstep the bounds of what I can propose, especially on the FIGU board, so can I merely point out that such a thing is possible? Love is always the way | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 387 Registered: 06-2009 |
I read the official estimates amount to 35-60,000 barrels per day; much less than what the Plejarens are giving. Reference: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-flow-rate-now-35000-to-60000-barrels-per-day-panel-says.html Salome. Suv | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 07-2008 |
One thing that has not been discussed is the release of pressure as the oil escapes a mile underwater and the impact that has on the oil 'chamber'. If we think of the 'spill' as an oil 'volcano', a MUCH GREATER potential problem arises. When volcanoes empty their magma chambers, the weight of the earth above will, sometimes, collapse the chamber and create a much larger crater with fissures around the perimeter. With the pressure of water and earth above the oil, I would not be surprised of a collapse. It is very important that that release of pressure gets controlled as soon as possible, or the "hole" will become a crater and I shudder to think of a solution for that scenario. | ||
Ymmit1988 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2009 |
I think the shit is really starting to hit the fan especially concerning the oil spill, according to Lindsey Williams a Pastor who worked within oil companies has said based on inside sources that the public are being lied to by the media and BP. Apparently the oil is coming out at a far higher rate than reported due to the depth at which they were drilling and is also leaking out from numerous fissure. Here is a link to a recent interview he did on an American radio station --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4rx_JcjSU Also there could be a possible link between the oil spill and some kind of acid rain causing widespread damage to crops in Memphis --> http://www.wreg.com/wreg-mystery-crop-damage,0,711604.story | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Ymmit1988, what struck me was what Lindsey Williams said about the oil possibly being abiotic which is able to replenish itself. I remember reading about abiotic oil in the a contact report but am unable to find it when doing a search. He also says that the oil industry believes only a nuclear device will stop it. Most disturbing. "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Ymmit1988 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2009 |
Hi Justsayno, well if this guy is credible which I think is quite likely if only from how scared he sounds then im pretty worried. I also saw an interview with an eminent oil industry expert (i forget his name) who made some interesting points that seemed to correlate with what lindsey is saying. His main point being that the video stream of the spill BP are showing couldn't possibly have have caused the massive area covered on the satellite pictures. He thought the video was most likely of a smaller fissure nearby the main leak. In regards to abiotic oil i think i read about it too on future of mankind but i couldn't find it either. I just don't trust the media, politicians or corporate people to any extent and wouldn't be at all suprised if what Lindsey Williams said is true. I'd like to see some more recent contact reports to see what the pleiades have to say about the oil spill but they seem to have stoped. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 10-2004 |
As people become aware of this catastrophe, there does seem to be an unnecessary amount of fear attached to it. We have already been walking a self-destructive path. This oil leak is just a manifestation of that. Will it result in 'The End of the World as We Know It'? I doubt it. We will probably survive this, and even eventually re-beautify the planet. The real question for me is how much we will learn from this. Will we learn that life is precious? Will we learn to respect life? Love is always the way | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 07-2009 |
Maybe this: http://theyfly.com/How_Earth_Produces_Oil.htm | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1296 Registered: 10-2007 |
***~~~~~~~~~~~~*****~~~~~~~~~~~~*** Best Greetings All Fellow Spirits, Following is a copy of a note I emailed to Stephen: He had asked: "how can Obama be responsable for something BP has done?" ... To put the Horizon rig and the ensuing Blowout in perspective: ... ["Construction started in December 1998 and the rig was delivered in February 2001 after the acquisition of R&B Falcon by Transocean. Drilling was planned for depths down to 35,000 foot. At that depth, the oil will be primordial abiotic oil produced by the Earth itself, NOT fossil oil, and was EXPECTED to be at high pressures due to the extreme depth. This oil is very Toxic and corrosive saturated with VOCs, H2S, CS2, Ethyl Chlorides, Methyl Mercaptans, Benzene, Toluene, and Xylene. These are heavier than air, and will travel with the prevailing winds a great distance. Any one of these is a severe health hazard, including rapid onset of death. ["The Blow-out preventer was designed for a maximum pressure of 15,000 PSI. The depth of the planned drilling at 35,000 feet was expected to be greater than 20,000 PSI, and actually is found to be closer to 70,000 PSI, well beyond the failure-design of the equipment of the drilling rig. To be moved into place in 2001 and allowed to begin drilling actually took place on the watch of George Bush, himself a failed overseer of an oil company which went bankrupt due to gross mismanagement. [HOW does an oil company actually go bankrupt.???] === Facts from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon -- (paraphrased /Rod) NOAA has found the oil now gushing from splits in the seabed at distances from five to twenty miles from the wellhead. Further indications are the casing has ruptured and split well below the wellhead, so capping at the BOP will do no good to stop the oil flow. Signs also indicate a possible rupture of the seabed itself. A catastrophe of unimaginable proportions is looming for the death of the Oceans, the base of life on Earth. Oceanic photosynthesis will die, fishes, seabirds, dolphins, oysters, crabs, and all the marine ecosystem will die as these toxic "plumes" continue to spew millions of gallons each day, with way to stop it, and no end in sight. So the Responsible one for this major disaster is squarely on the shoulders of George Bush. Obama had no say in the start of drilling WITHOUT the required environmental study and without proper permits for that planned depths. Those lack of oversights were again right on BUSH (paid off by "Big Oil"). So Stephen, for these facts, you are correct: "...how can Obama be responsable for something BP has done?" Obama is NOT responsible. Salome Rod ***~~~~~~~~~~~~*****~~~~~~~~~~~~*** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi All, I just received this email and this is some of the information distributed. Peace John SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself. As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure. The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months. The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of. SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc. The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize. This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more. The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, it’s not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor. The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years. (End of scientists information release.) | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 01-2009 |
Thanks Rod So from the info you have presented here BP used an inadequate Blow-out preventer and also was drilling in a dangerous area due to VOCs, H2S, CS2, Ethyl Chlorides, Methyl Mercaptans, Benzene, Toluene, and Xylene. And all this happened before Obama was president. Wheres Mr Bush now?? Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net |
