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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 533
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 06:52 pm: | 
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hey there yimmit,
you are turning this thread into an obama bashing thread,
there are forums specially constructed for venting ones frustration of a political nature.
they are the many conspiracy theory websites for your special type of themed discussions.
i will make the note that you seem to state many things but provide no facts for your ideas.
i find it hard to understand how you can KNOW that Obama's spoken words and intentions are a clearcut case of nothing more than a Facade.
what are you doing in this forum anyway?
are you here to learn about the spirit, or are you here to try and convince people that obama is an enemy of justice and basic good?
by the way, about the health bill that "the majority don't want"
where do you get this info, from cnn?
how many of the millions of americans did you personally speak with to be able to surmise that the majority of them don't want it?
the majority of americans are not the so-called upper class, and therfore they are the middle and lower class. what kind of person would resent having affordable healthcare?
but back to world war 3...
i too noticed immedietly that
a. obama used zero retoric when addressing iran and the middle eastern countries, and insisted on talking the problems out rather than "if you aint with us, your against us" a la george bush jr the ultra terrorist.
b. obama sought a hand in hand push at america and russia reducing nukes, rather than using the typical "destroy the threat of communism" propaganda.
c. wiping the filthy asses of american bank tyrants that screwed you and the rest of america wich seemed incapable of taking action themselves in regards to halting the banks criminality.
d. cleaning the big mess that george bush jr (the one who cracks jokes while troops are being killed) the religeous fanatic made when he was raping the world. and where is your scathing criticism of him?
e.obama dared to condemn the villany of isreal's government and military, knowing full well that the media is often biased in favour of jews, and severly downplaying the suffering of the palestinians, aswell as never mentioning that isreal is an illigitamate nation, that is illegal and unjust. given that if you so much as critique a jew in america, you are labeled anti-semetic, for some completely absurd reason.
that in itself is true bravery.
all in all, A-E paint the clear picture that obama has indeed decreased the possibilities of the likelihood of a world war 3. i think that in itself warrants a nobel prize.
after all, there are a good list of people who truly deserve no such peace prize. be honest with yourself.
as long as there are people like Barack Hussein Obama, then the voices of the people will be fairly heard and justly respected.
this is the face of a man with dignity...
when workers toward evil, like bush and co, ahmedinejad and isreals "leaders" pave and cement roads leading to a world death land, obama is the flash flood of justice and honesty, that washed the machinery and cement trucks into the ditches.
i wish obama and his family much happiness and health, and may he be protected by good fortune, from those racist evil doers that seek to blow out his mighty spirit flame.
thank goodness world war 3 is a prohecy and not a prediction.
Barack Obama= one more fine black person to inspire the many black youth of america, who are still the targets of veiled racism and unfair media portrail. moer power to you brother. |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 532
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 02:29 am: |
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Mr. Paine ;
Your post reads like a lot of "Common Sense"
MC
A word to Critics and Cynics of Politics ( it's got a real ring to it )
It takes a real cynic to take "last hope" and turn it into " BEEP !! NEXT!!" |
Ymmit1988
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 05:10 pm: |
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Peter_brodowski if you can only reduce what i'm saying to "bashing Obama" and ignoring the content there's not much use having a discussion. I have no political leanings to either the republicans or democrats, i think in general they are both awful. I'm not coming from any ideological stand point all i'm doing is showing how what Obama says isn't necessarily correlating with what he does. If you notice I said that Obama despite the rhetoric, actually isn't significantly different from Bush Jr.concerning the broader picture, this is hardly a ringing endorsement. Just because Bush was gung-ho and Obama isn't means very little. Obama continues to escalate wars and the outcome is still the same, people are dying.
I provided you with links backing up what I was saying, here is a list of recent polls including one addressing public approval of the health bill;----->http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll and another;----->http://www.gallup.com/poll/142160/Obama-Sees-New-Lows-Job-Approval.aspx
I spend a lot of time listening to US radio(not the biased mainstream media) so I feel i'm getting a decent picture of how the public especially the poor are feeling and what I hear is not good. As i said the rate of people on food stamps has gone up significanly(http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6465E220100507 & http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/100924234.html) this doesn't seem a sign to me that either the bank stimulus worked or that Obama is doing more for the poor.
I explained that the bankers continue to make massive profits despite the fact the state of the economy and people in work is decreasing(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7949052/Goldman-Sachs-boss-Lloyd-Blankfein-cashes-in-6m-profit-on-options.html).
Obama can condemn Israeli as much as he likes but it makes little difference if he continues to give them billions(http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/08/03/US-spends-1-billion-on-Israeli-defense/UPI-11051280855935/).
Ahmadinejad offered to have talks with Obama and even recently has asked to have a public debate with him(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7921959/Irans-President-Ahmadinejad-challenges-Barack-Obama-to-TV-debate.html). As yet Obama has said nothing, how does this equate to his "lets talk to everyone" approach?
Why didn't you address my point on his reaction to the gulf crisis? I showed you an interview with a women suffering horrendous health problems along with many of her friends because of the dispersant and you ignore it. Obama and his wife are inviting people back to the Gulf when many scientists are still saying its not healthy (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/bp-oil-spill-more-damaging-widespread-than-first-thought-study/story-e6frf7ko-1225906417606).
Markcampbell I'd rather find out the truth as best I can than rely on a false "hope", whats the point of that?
As I said i'm on no ones side, Bush was terrible and Obama has achieved little of what he promised. I hope in the upcoming elections the "paid for" incumbents, both republican and democrats are voted out as much as possible and independents can get in. Then there may be real hope. |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 07:04 pm: |
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With a weapon like this, can an alleged 'alien invasion' be far behind?
http://www.aolnews.com/discuss/pentagon-set-to-blast-missile-in-laser-weapon-test/19596948 |
Kingman
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Post Number: 822
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 08:08 pm: |
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Hi Ymmit1988,
I'd like to offer you my deduction of your portrayal of Obama. This is simply in my humble opinion. Your positioning of Obama as an equal to Bush jr highlights your conclusions from all your credible sources as being unreliable in their purity. Or you are selectively picking from the data to support your position. Being I wish to keep this simple, I'll just say one needs to examine the bigger picture and activate their critical thinking. Changing the directions of the massive entity that encompasses the US can only be described as incomprehensible. As our president, Obama is working within the restrictions that allow him and his family their safety. American politics is a dangerous world as history has shown.
Your taking of a negative position is a choice, that's clear. Understanding the shift towards a better world we are beginning to experience is a reality. Even if it's only minute, it's happening. Have a nice day.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 432
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 09:18 pm: |
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As I said Obama is not perfect. The gulf crisis for example is much larger than what Obama, ANY media, political party or individual or even conspiracy theorists projects to be: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Crime_Against_All_Life
I have had a glance at whatever is available publicly on Obama administrations proposition for health care reforms. It is undoubtedly nowhere near what many European countries or Canada offers, but what stopped the previous U.S. Administration from taking even a small step?
You have to determine for yourself if the bank stimulus worked or not, but do also research reports by media from across the world to understand how the world economy is integrated and is "sentiment-driven". The stimulus was designed to halt the journey of U.S. economy into abyss and not take U.S. economy to new heights.
You should be glad that Goldman Sachs is profiting and not in a position where someone needs to bail them out and market sentiments decline.
But what is amazing that you ignore the good work done by Obama, highlight his shortcomings, and take pot-shots at him in this thread for third world war. What best expresses your attitude is: "Smukhuti, just because Obama hasn't attacked Iran yet doesn't mean he won't, in fact most signs suggest that is exactly where we are heading. Israeli intelligence have been urging for an attack at the same time as Netanyahu being caught saying he has "American wrapped around his thumb". ; wherein you ignore that his actions so far has saved 100s of millions of lives and base your analysis on what Netanyahu says not what Obama administration is saying. Well, nobody can predict the future, but isn’t so far so good? Even if what Netanyahu says is correct, don't you feel Obama has done a great job in not buckling to the pressure?
You ignored the links to FIGU material provided by me which shows that not only Ahmadinejad is a scheming guy but also Iran is moving towards developing nukes and provide youtube links to nullify them. OK, perhaps you do not consider the Meier material to be truthful, but then why are you here in the forum? If you want us to convince you about the truthfulness of the case, then you are in the wrong place and you should first research yourself to find out the "truth". This is no place to convert people into Meier-believers. "Belief" is not what the spiritual teaching encourages.
You have posted Ahmadinejad 's offer for talks. Be advised; offer for talks do not happen through the news-media. It happens through a certain diplomatic channel, generally through the ambassadors. While Ahmadinejad has voiced publicly his offer for talks, nobody knows if he had initiated a diplomatic route. Then also, FYI, you failed to provide Obama administrations "unofficial" reaction here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iJdGksLWLEzX_WsHz8M6erV-JX-Q
He has made clear what's on his mind through his subordinates and in the media. Nobody knows what is happening through diplomatic back-channel.
U.S. continues to be a big military doner of Israel. But have you researched Israeli media to check how irritated they are on Obama - and for what?
I am now beginning to feel sympathy on Obama. He must be having difficulty in matching the expectation of millions on him similar in scale to a "Presidential Messiah"  and one-sided evaluation.
Salome.
Suv
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 533
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 10:55 pm: |
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ymmit 1988...
WORLD WAR 3 discussion=here
i thought we could have a discussion on world war 3 and how obama relates to the matter...
if having a conversation means i have to debate about politics, then i guess i wont discuss with you. mind you, this is a "third world war based on figu material" section of the forum.
what are you getting at?
the fact that you are a big fan of american radio is a big warning sign to me. let's have a discussion about world war 3 prophecy and how obama has done a good job lessening the chances of such a disaster.
stop providing links that don't relate to world war 3 prophecy.
by the way, bush and obama are worlds apart... one is a supporter of world war, the other is an instigator of world peace.
and it makes me sick to hear you americans constantly whine about presidents and there unrealised promises when 1. he is only one man 2. as a citizen of america, get up off your ass and make an effort for some real progress instead of counting all the things obama has'nt accomplished.
is it american culture to self destruct?
feeble health care programs (obama is making good change)... arrogant views toward other countries ans people (so called u.s. pride), shamefull performance in school as kids and teens)... over weight lazies (who cost tax payers millions if not more)... very racial divided (just watch seinfeld, then anything on peach tree tv)... gross epidemic of street gangs, highest percentage of incarcerated humans (mostly drug users). And obama is the failure? please. I have american family, and they are nice people, but one thing they all share is a gross sense of irresponsibility in regards to the mess they are in. point point blame, rant rant, cry.
if world war 3 managed to occur, 60% of americans would be waiting to die. |
Darren
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Post Number: 262
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 11:34 pm: |
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As Billy or the P's said(I forget which one), most US citizens are too stupid to see the good work that Obama is doing and/or has done. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 470
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 02:37 am: |
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I'd just like to say that when Billy/FIGU gives their 'stamp' of approval on something or someone (like Obama), I try to see their point of view, because such a viewpoint, imo is well considered and coming from a point of equanimity, fairness, balance, farsightedness, progressive for life .... That said, some of what Obama is doing does give me pause. I do realize he has only been in office for a very short time and frankly there is no one else I'd rather have running the show ( aside from Ron Paul). I think Obama is one who hears both sides of an issue and makes a fair decision based on the knowledge presented. And he is one who is able to admit and learn from his mistakes, unlike his predecessor.
Conclusion: he ain't perfect but he is hardly the destroyer of America, as his round-the-clock critics assert every other minute of every day. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 605
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 07:31 am: |
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Two words: Neutral Positive. |
Ymmit1988
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 10:45 am: |
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Ok fine lets just beg to differ and see where this goes. My mind is open, all i'm doing is pointing out discrepancies.
Peter_brodowski you can't have much of a discussion on world war three based on Meier's material if when you have a different view its time to end the conversation. I don't think we should act like everything the Pleiadian's says is infallible. I have learn't a lot from Meier's material but ultimately I prefer to judge what's going on through my own eyes first then the Pleiadian's second. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 343
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 01:06 pm: |
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To be neutral positive about a war is to miss the point.
Wars are terrible, horrible monsters in the dark
with long memories.
Wars are life destroying, good for nothing, meaningless traps,
that build power, prestige, and bank accounts
for social parasites.
Wars are a sickness, a blight upon the human condition,
that last longer than the half life of radioactive pollution.
Wars are bad. Very bad. Bad, bad medicine.
Love is always the way out of the situational war. Love hurts no one.
Love is always the way
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Phenix
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Post Number: 357
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:08 pm: |
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Peace in Wisdom be with you,
The following update might fit in this thread 'Third World Based On FIGU Material' - on world peace and security, thus - and possibly contribute to the ongoing debate:
'Ending the War in Iraq'
"Subject: Ending the War in Iraq
From: President Barack Obama <president@messages.whitehouse.gov>
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:06 am
To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net
The White House, Washington
Good afternoon,
Shortly after taking office, I put forward a plan to end the war in Iraq responsibly.
Today, I'm pleased to report that - thanks to the extraordinary service of our troops and civilians in Iraq - our combat mission will end this month, and we will complete a substantial drawdown of our troops.
Over the last 18 months, over 90,000 U.S. troops have left Iraq. By the end of this month, 50,000 troops will be serving in Iraq. As Iraqi Security Forces take responsibility for securing their country, our troops will move to an advise-and-assist role. And, consistent with our agreement with the Iraqi government, all of our troops will be out of Iraq by the end of next year. Meanwhile, we will continue to build a strong partnership with the Iraqi people with an increased civilian commitment and diplomatic effort.
A few weeks ago, men and women from one of the most deployed brigades in the U.S. Army, the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, returned home from Iraq.
The Vice President and Dr. Jill Biden were at Fort Drum to welcome the veterans home and spoke about their personal experiences as a military family."
Our commitment to our troops doesn't end once they come home - it's only the beginning. Part of ending a war responsibly is meeting our responsibility to the men and women who have fought it.
Our troops and their families have made tremendous sacrifices to keep our nation safe and secure, and as a nation we have a moral obligation to serve our veterans as well as they have served us.
That's why we're building a 21st century Department of Veterans Affairs. We've made one of the largest percentage increase in the VA’s budget in 30 years, and we're dramatically increasing funding for veterans' health across the board. In particular, we're delivering unprecedented resources to treat signature wounds of today's wars — Traumatic Brain Injury and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Our sacred trust to take care of our veterans goes beyond simply healing the wounds incurred in battle. We must ensure that when our veterans leave the Armed Forces, they have the opportunities they need to further their education and support their families. Through the Post-9/11 GI Bill, some 300,000 veterans and families members have pursued a college degree. Others are taking advantage of job training and placement programs.
My Administration will continue to do our part to support the brave men and women in uniform that have sacrificed so much. But supporting our troops and their families is not just the job of the Federal Government; it's the responsibility of all Americans.
As we mark this milestone in the Iraq war and our troops continue to move out of Iraq, I hope you'll join me in thanking them, and all of our troops and military families, for their service.
Sincerely,
President Barack Obama"
Confirmation from an independent source:
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/US-Military-Last-Combat-Unit-Leaving-Iraq-101036689.html
The following assessment of Jschwjsch Ptaah could as well shed some light on this issue:
Auszug aus dem 479. Kontaktgespräch vom 5. September 2009.
"Ptaah: ...Aussergewöhnliches ergibt sich auch in bezug auf den USA-Präsidenten Barack Obama, denn er wird die unsinnigen und wirren Pläne des vorgegangenen Präsidenten und Kriegshetzers Bush hinsichtlich des geplanten nordosteuropäischen Raketenabwehrsystems zunichte machen und das Ganze ausser Kraft setzen, folglich er einen Strategiewechsel vollzieht und den schwachsinnig und kriegshetzerisch zu nennenden Aufbau des Systems verhindert. Dann ergibt sich, dass beim UNO-Sicherheitsrat eine wichtige Resolution verabschiedet wird.
Eine Resolution, die auf den Abbau von atomaren Waffen ausgerichtet ist und die auf die ersten diesbezüglichen Bemühungen des USA-Präsidenten Barack Obama zurückführt. Ein Akt, der nicht nur von Russland, sondern auch von diversen anderen Staaten willkommen geheissen werden wird.
Er wird der erste Staatspräsident aud der Erde sein, der diesbezüglich vernünftig handelt und dafür auch den Friedens-Nobelpreis erhalten wird.
Das allerdings wird rund um die Welt nicht derart gewürdigt, wie es richtig wäre, sondern es werden von Politikern und Journalisten usw. dumme Reden gegen Barack Obama geführt und ihm untergeschoben, dass er sich die Auszeichnung künftig erst verdienen müsse.
Welche Leistung er jedoch allein schon damit vollbringt, dass erstmals ein Abbau des Raketenabwehrsystems und der atomaren Waffen in internationale staatliche Gespräche kommt, das wird durch die Dummheit jener nicht anerkannt und verstanden werden, welche in ihrer Selbstsucht und Überheblichkeit Obamas Leistung nicht zu würdigen verstehen."
My rough, unofficial and unauthorized translation reads:
Excerpt from FIGU Special Bulletin no 50; November 2009.
"Ptaah: something unusual (pecular/extraordinary) results (takes place/follows) also regarding the USA president Barack Obama, for [because] he will nullify (annul/set aside) the unreasonable and confused plans of the former president and 'warmonger' Bush regarding the planned northeastEuropean anti-missile defense system, and will repeal (suspend/render inoperative) the whole [thing]; he consequently (therefore) carries out a change of strategy and prevents the build-up of the system, which system could be called silly (irrational/feeble-minded) and 'warmongering'.
It will then result\follow, that the UN Security Council will adopt an important resolution. A resolution, which is directed to [intended to/aimed at] the dismantling/removal of atomic weapons and which [resolution] is to be attributed to the first efforts of the USA president Barack Obama on this matter. An act, which, not only Russia but also various other states will welcome.
He will be the first president on earth, to act reasonably on this issue, and will receive the Nobel Peace Prize for that.
This, however, would not be appreciated around the world, in a way, which would have been correct/just [the way it should be], and politicians and journalists and so forth will run [hold/utter] stupid speeches against Barack Obama and will put underneath him (/object/argue/impute), that he would have to earn the honour for himself only in the future.
The achievement, which he has already accomplished with the fact alone, that a dismantling of the anti-missile defense system and of atomic weapons is for the first time a topic of international discussions at states level, will not be acknowledged and understood by [through/because of] the stupidity of those, who - in their egoism/selfishness and presumption/arrogance - are unable to appreciate the effort/achievement of Obama."
More: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=863&page=10627
(Phenix, Post 312; nov. 27, 2009)
Salome,
Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net |
Techieatwork
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Post Number: 132
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 04:58 pm: |
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Dear all.
I found this gem, peace of information, that to me, clears out all doubts about the who, the why and the how of all the conflict(s) in the middle east.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K43IMCDrobk&feature=related
Basically, most of the "everybody else", (who appear to me actually genetically prettier than "them"), are considered "under menschen" and must be abolished... and their land taken.. no matter how..
:-(
And the support system of institutions all around the planet, which is the foundation for all that to happen.
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 133
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 04:24 am: |
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Actually, this one link covers the whole speech.
http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/video/zionism-david-kelly-and-bbc
Am I playing with fire in passing this info on to contacts?
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 349
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:15 am: |
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As bad a picture as he paints, David Halpin glosses over much of what has been done in the name of Judaism, perhaps because it is illegal to point out too much truth in this regard, or perhaps because few could even believe it.
Love is always the way
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 473
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:24 am: |
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Regarding Adam's post 357 above - "Subject: Ending the War in Iraq ".
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1767:iraq-an-end-or-an-escalation&catid=31:texas-straight-talk
" military officials confirm that we are committed to intervention in that country for years to come, and our operations have in fact, changed minimally, if really at all."
"50,000 US troops remain in Iraq, and they are still receiving combat pay. One soldier was killed in Basra just last Sunday, after the supposed end of combat operations, and the same day 5,000 men and women of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment at Fort Hood were deployed to Iraq. Their mission will be anything but desk duty. " |
Phenix
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Post Number: 360
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:30 am: |
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Frieden in Weisheit sei mit euch,
Earthling, in post 473:
Mr. Ron Paul is certainly entitled to his views and own conclusions.
As for the 50,000 US troops, their presence as well as their mandate are clearly mentioned in the letter, above - and here too:
"Subject: Tomorrow Evening
From: President Barack Obama <president@messages.whitehouse.gov>
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:19 pm
To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net
Good evening,
Tomorrow evening at 8 p.m. EDT, I will address the nation from the Oval Office about the end of the war in Iraq.
We are at a truly historic moment in our nation’s history. After more than seven years, our combat mission in Iraq will end tomorrow.
As both a candidate and President, I promised to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. Now, we are taking an important step forward in delivering on that promise. Since I took office, we’ve brought nearly 100,000 U.S. troops home from Iraq, millions of pieces of equipment have been removed, and hundreds of bases have been closed or transferred to Iraqi Security Forces.
Our combat mission in Iraq is ending, but our commitment to an Iraq that is sovereign, stable and self-reliant continues.
As our mission in Iraq changes, 50,000 U.S. troops will remain in Iraq to advise and assist the Iraqi Security Forces as they assume full responsibility for the security of their country on September 1.
We will forge a strong partnership with an Iraq that still faces enduring challenges.
For nearly a decade, we have been a nation at war. The war in Iraq has at times divided us. But one thing I think all Americans can agree on is that our brave men and women in uniform are truly America’s finest. They have put their lives on the line and endured long separations from their family and loved ones.
All Americans owe our troops, veterans and military families a debt of gratitude for their outstanding service to our nation. Over the past few days, thousands of Americans have taken part in our Saluting Service in Iraq effort on WhiteHouse.gov, sending their messages of thanks and support to our troops.
[video link: my note. Adam]
Supporting our troops and military families is the responsibility of all Americans. My Administration is doing everything in its power to ensure that our troops, veterans and their families have the support they need as they serve, and the care and opportunities they need to realize their dreams when they return home.
I hope you will join me in welcoming our troops home and showing your gratitude for their heroic service.
Sincerely,
President Barack Obama"
Do please bear in mind, that i do not judge; i only acknowledge reception of the information, check its accuracy through independent sources and follow - as neutral-positively as possible - what further infolds.
Salome. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 361
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 08:40 am: |
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Re: the end of Iraq wartime occupation
And the Vietnam War was just a police action.
Love is always the way
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 361
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 12:19 am: |
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... Sitkaa, i am not quite sure i understood what you meant with 'And the Vietnam War was just a police action' in the current context, for, as far as i know, president Obama doesn't have much to do with the Vietnam War.
You may express your concerns, ask questions on this issue here, though: http://www.youtube.com/whitehouse
( or: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/31/ben-rhodes-answers-your-questions-about-iraq-following-presidents-oval-address?utm_source=email74&utm_medium=footer&utm_campaign=iraq )
Source: "Subject: Answering Your Questions About Iraq
From: "Ben Rhodes, The White House" <info@messages.whitehouse.gov>
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:23 am
To: adam@thecircleforhumanity.net
Good afternoon,
Tonight President Obama will address the nation from the Oval Office at 8 p.m. EDT regarding the end of the war in Iraq. I know many Americans have questions about our change in mission in Iraq, so immediately following the President's address, I will be hosting a live chat to answer your questions.
I'm looking forward to answering your questions later this evening.
Sincerely,
Ben Rhodes
Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications"
Follow up:
"Subject: Iraq
From: Barack Obama <democraticparty@democrats.org>
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00 pm
To:
Adam --
Tonight marks the end of the American combat mission in Iraq.
As a candidate for this office, I pledged to end this war responsibly. And, as President, that is what I am doing.
Since I became Commander-in-Chief, we've brought home nearly 100,000 U.S. troops. We've closed or turned over to Iraq hundreds of our bases.
As Operation Iraqi Freedom ends, our commitment to a sovereign, stable, and self-reliant Iraq continues. Under Operation New Dawn, a transitional force of U.S. troops will remain to advise and assist Iraqi forces, protect our civilians on the ground, and pursue targeted counterterrorism efforts.
By the end of next year, consistent with our agreement with the Iraqi government, these men and women, too, will come home.
Ending this war is not only in Iraq's interest -- it is in our own. Our nation has paid a huge price to put Iraq's future in the hands of its people. We have sent our men and women in uniform to make enormous sacrifices. We have spent vast resources abroad in the face of several years of recession at home.
We have met our responsibility through the courage and resolve of our women and men in uniform.
In seven years, they confronted a mission as challenging and as complex as any our military has ever been asked to face.
Nearly 1.5 million Americans put their lives on the line. Many returned for multiple tours of duty, far from their loved ones who bore a heroic burden of their own. And most painfully, more than 4,400 Americans have given their lives, fighting for people they never knew, for values that have defined our people for more than two centuries.
What their country asked of them was not small. And what they sacrificed was not easy.
For that, each and every American owes them our heartfelt thanks.
Our promise to them -- to each woman or man who has donned our colors -- is that our country will serve them as faithfully as they have served us. We have already made the largest increase in funding for veterans in decades. So long as I am President, I will do whatever it takes to fulfill that sacred trust.
Tonight, we mark a milestone in our nation's history. Even at a time of great uncertainty for so many Americans, this day and our brave troops remind us that our future is in our own hands and that our best days lie ahead.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama"
Be sure, that i will closely and critically follow the developments here and record which parts of the announced goals in this new approach/policy would be effectively realized and which not.
Salome,
Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 363
Registered: 10-2004
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...Phenix
No need to get your dander up. Regardless of what I think, whether positive or negative you do not know, I have been holding my tongue for a singular reason. I am not denigrating the President. You have already won this political argument, even before you tried, simply because I have not argued about this.
I still hold out hope that our 1st Jewish President, Obama, will stand up to his Zionist handlers when the time comes to let Israel hang itself in a war of aggression on Iran. Nobody, at least nobody who is sane, wants to see the resulting widespread nuclear war. I doubt Palin, or some other Republican, or even Hillary, will be able to stand up to the multifaceted onslaught this bigoted group of psychopaths can generate. By default, that only leaves Barack Obama to fill this role. It would be nice if Obama would more completely research and rethink his immigration policies, and then present his findings publicly. Still, a civil war resulting in a fractured United States is better than a radioactive Northern Hemisphere.
The reference to the Vietnam War exemplified how rebadging a thing does not change it in fact. We are still mired in Iraq, and cannot just leave without creating a power vacuum. Although we should never have invaded Iraq in the first place, were we to now actually completely leave chaos would quickly ensue, which is not something any sane person wants. I recently listened to a well-informed analyst speculate that, if left to its own devices, Iraq would certainly fall into civil war within 6 months, and most likely sooner.
A better option is for the United States to recognize that we have been driven to do a horrible wrong to this country, and that by our spinelessness, we are now responsible for rebuilding the infrastructure of the country, to include municipal buildings, roadways, hospitals, schools, water and power facilities, communications networks, etc. You might remember, rebuilding the country's infrastructure was the advertised reason we originally occupied Iraq after the initial 'Shock and Awe' program. But then again, we can only do so much for these people, just as the Plejaran can only do so much for us.
Love is always the way
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 320
Registered: 07-2009
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Perhaps a little difference, the Plejaren didn't invade and decimate us. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 475
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 02:59 am: |
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Sitkaa - "our 1st Jewish President, Obama, will stand up to his Zionist handlers .."
Is it really necessary to resort to infantile hyperbole replete with racist undertones and overtones? |
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