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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:45 am: | 
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The hyperbole you sense must be your own - I don't claim it. I made mention of Obama's Jewish ethnicity because it is relevant to how the United States reacts to Zionism's aggressions against Iran, and as well, points to some of the inner conflict the man must be feeling.
Love is always the way
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 322
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 04:15 pm: |
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I'm missing this one completely. First he was considered to be Kenyan by some people now he's...Jewish? Has anyone told him yet that he's Jewish?
I guess if you're making him out to be Jewish then ascribing to him some "inner conflict" might make sense, after all, "inner conflict", i.e. perhaps meaning guilt, can be a very "Jewish thing".
Oh boy, where does this stuff come from?. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 476
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 05:58 pm: |
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Sitkaa, at the bottom of your messages lies a phrase "Love is always the way". I fail to see the "Love" in lies, exaggeration, racial bias and falling prey to conspiracy theorists vapid assertions.
1. Please cite Obama's 'Jewish' ethnicity.
2. Please name Obama's zionist 'handlers'.
3. Regarding "Zionism's aggressions against Iran"; does not the leader of Iran predict and suggest that Israel should and will be wiped off the face of the earth? Do you think this conflict is a one-way street?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran
You are coming off like a victim of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 11:33 am: |
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As you may have heard, the Protocols is a work of forgery. There are other works that discuss this same topic, that of grandiose Jewish machinations, readily available to read if you care to look into it. Perhaps you could start with the infamous Harold Rosenthal interview, and move on to read Dr. Makow's extensively referenced materials. It is not really my thing, though, so I haven't bothered to follow it too closely.
Yes, our President was born in Kenya. That does disqualify him from legally sitting in Oval Office. His maternal ancestral line is Jewish, which does make him Jewish according to Jewish law. That said, he appears to be doing a better job as a human being occupying the presidency than most of his predecessors, which even the Plejaran can see.
While he is by no means a saint, the Iranian leader actually has never threatened to 'Wipe Israel Off the Map', neither literally nor figuratively. This is a complete fiction. Again, if you cared, you might find that Iran hasn't really done anything to earn anyone's ire, except be a neighbor to Eretz Israel. So why are we incessantly threatening Iran with war? Yes, Dorothy, it does have to do with Zionism.
The Zionist people who have propelled Obama into politics, and now surround him in the highest political office in the land, are there for anyone to see. I suggest you look, if you care. It is the most powerful political movement in the United States, and it solely serves the cause of Eretz Israel.
But I am not gonna spoon feed you. If you care, find out for yourself. Just consider, for a moment, whether the radioactive and poisonous wars we engage in nowadays, which leave scars for millennia, are worth supporting a malevolent political movement more akin to cultural parasitism than honest societal creativity?
Yes, I talk and think about love alot. Figure it out. Or don't.
Love is always the way
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Darren
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Post Number: 270
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 04:09 pm: |
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The Iranian leader is partially right in saying that, in that the P's said that there will never be peace in the region until the land of Israel is given back to its rightful owners. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 323
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 04:54 pm: |
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Even many among the most hard-core right wing don't say Obama was born in Kenya. So you have to provide documentation for that claim.
As you have to provide documentation for his Jewish ethnicity.
Maybe he came from one of the lost tribes of Israel? Well, in any case, saying things are so doesn't make them so. And documentation goes a long way in helping to discern between truth and lies. It still requires research but otherwise one just ends up spreading rumors.
People get agitated in their emotions and then succumb to all sorts of erratic thoughts and behaviors. Let's not do that here. |
Phenix
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Post Number: 362
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 03:00 am: |
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
On peace and security on this weary planet: Israeli-Palestinian peace talks
'Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks Begin as Both Sides Lay Out Hopes, Expectations'
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/02/bruce-editing-fathers-peacemakers-breadbreakers-peace-talk/
Briefly: "Joined by the generations, those who have gone before, and those who will follow," President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton opened formal peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians today.
The imagery has certainly been impressive. Yesterday it was President Obama, flanked by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on one side, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the other striding purposefully, if not altogether confidently, into a working dinner. This morning, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took the lead, seated between the pair. An American flag with Israeli and Palestinian flags were behind her, the men nodded to each other at the outset, and shook hands after the talks began." [...]
Wishing a neutral-positively smooth Peace Meditation to all.
Salome,
Adam. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 477
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 04:08 am: |
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Sitkaa : "Yes, our President was born in Kenya."
"His maternal ancestral line is Jewish,.."
"The Zionist people who have propelled Obama into politics, and now surround him in the highest political office in the land,"
Sitkaa, these are your assertions. If you are going to make such allegations, it is up to you to back them up with facts/evidence.
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Sitkaa: "the Iranian leader actually has never threatened to 'Wipe Israel Off the Map', neither literally nor figuratively."
Is this neither literal nor figurative fm oct/2005? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran
"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth"."
""There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world." Recalling the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of Iran's Islamic revolution, he said: "As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.""
or more recently from jun/2010
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080602124328.f6eyi8y1
" "I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," he said." |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 366
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 04:12 pm: |
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What did Ahmadinejad really say? The following is a summation of many other articles about the deliberate misquotes. Google the topic to find out more, if you care.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
Now who do ya suppose is pushing the lie? And why is the mainstream media reporting it so incorrectly? And why are going along with it? Ostensibly, to repopulate the promised land with god's chosen people. The bible tells us its Zion.
Love is always the way
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 368
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 03:16 pm: |
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I am unwilling to back up my assertions at this time. If you want to follow up on my assertions, do your own research, else think what you want. I hope that you continue to support President Obama, even whilst you paint me a racist, or a paranoid conspiracy freak, or whatever. You can even think you have won an argument and beaten another racist bigot down, if you want. Just support this President, for the time being, as he is about the only with any real chance of preventing massive calamity, and that is what is most important.
Oh, and don't join the call for war on Iran, please, as this is just the worst sorta stupidity our planet has to offer.
Love is always the way
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Darren
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Post Number: 271
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:48 pm: |
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Sitka, I didn't mean it that way.
btw, I, like the others would have also liked to have seen the proof/links to back up your assertions about Obama's background and some other stuff. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 324
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 10:04 pm: |
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To be unwilling and unable to back up one's negative assertions is to engage in defamation. It's no different than what Meier's opponents and detractors did, and continue to do.
Let's distance ourselves from that kind of behavior. If you can substantiate your claims, please do so. If not, just admit that you made a mistake, got carried away with emotions, etc. and let it go.
We are also forgiving of mistakes, as we all make them throughout our lives. It's just best to not stonewall and thereby build up the negativity instead of dissipating it. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 478
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 04:52 am: |
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Sitkaa, this is the text translated by Nazila Fathi in The New York Times Tehran bureau, of Ahmadinejad's speech that caused such a stir.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted=all
The line that grew into a soundbite was - "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement."
I'm not an expert on the Iranian President, but it seems throughout the years, he uses inflamatory rhetoric as opposed to conciliatory rhetoric.
Even Iran's former President, Mohammad Khatami, has taken issue with his tone.
http://www1.albawaba.com/en/news/irans-former-president-khatami-lashes-out-iranian-extremists
"Mohammad Khatami, Iran's former president, has lashed out at Iranian extremists, saying that they gave Iran's enemies the "best excuse to attack Islam and Iran."
Khatami, who espoused "Islamic democracy" during his eight-year leadership in Iran, was considered a moderate in comparison to his successor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Ahmadinejad elicited widespread criticism when he publicly announced that the state of Israel should be "wiped off the map." "We do not have to voice words that create political and economic problems for us in the world," Khatami said in response to his predecessor's remarks.
According to AFP, he said that those who "think that belief in democracy, freedom and progress tarnishes the revolutionary image of our country in the Islamic world and try to compete with the Taliban by advocating violence and committing extremist acts, which are at odds with the religion.""
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Sikaa, this has nothing to do with 'winning arguments' or 'beating another racist bigot down'. It has to do with facts as opposed to unsubstantiated allegory.
On the one hand, you assert that Obama is Jewish and controlled by Zionist handlers, and on the other, that the media (controlled by Zionists, naturally) is not in charge and control of the Obama media smear campaign, discrediting his every more, trying to hide the fact that he shouldn't be president because he was born in Kenya and that he is actually of Jewish ethnicity. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 370
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 09:34 am: |
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"...the Iranian President, but it seems throughout the years, he uses inflamatory rhetoric as opposed to conciliatory rhetoric."
Oh, right, so lets go bomb Iran to smithereens, then. Not.
Regarding Obama, I have dropped it since I actually consider his birthplace unimportant, nor do I consider being born to a Jewish mother to be an accusation. He was raised as an American from near-birth, thus to my mind he has the right to represent us the best he can. I am stonewalling on this issue because I want to negatively impact Obama's effectiveness as little as possible. Not everyone is flexible about these things as I am.
My point in commenting on Obama's Jewish roots was to provide some insight into the inner workings of the man. It was a mistake to mention it here, no doubt. Harp upon that if you want.
Love is always the way
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Scott
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Post Number: 2027
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 11:16 am: |
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Let's get back to the topic heading... |
Cpl
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Post Number: 537
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 11:36 pm: |
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Hopefully this post will put an end to this "discussion" and create greater understanding that might lesson the chances of an Israeli or Jewish war, hot or rhetoric. When talking about or making claims of "Jew" or "Jewishness" it would be good to consider the following:
On Jew and Jewish
When using the word Jew or Jewish it is invariably necessary to explain what type of Jew or Jewish one is referring too because there are many more types than there are for example types of American. They have, unfortunately therefore, become almost meaningless terms to use.
To quote Wikipedia: Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity, a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used. While there is much debate about the details, by most definitions, Jews include those who have a Jewish ethnic background and those without Jewish parents who have converted to Judaism.
From the following I hope you’ll realize that the slightly is a “slight” underestimation, and Jewish ethnic background doesn’t really explicate anything.
Here are some types or definition of Jew current or historically. Depending on the type or definition used nearly all western people -- and many elsewhere -- may be described as Jewish:
1. Someone of any nationality or blood adhering to the Jewish faith. There are many black Jews called Black Hebrew Israelites (BHI). Descendants from the 12 tribes of Israel, and also Judaism, moved into Africa and notably Ethiopia hundreds if not thousands of years ago. BHI usually do not regard Semitic Jews as true Jews (Wiki), and they may rarely if ever take part in Jewish religious activities. In return Semitic Jews often regard BHI as not being Jews. If you think Michele Obama is Jewish check here: http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=450.
We can see any black person could make claim to being Jewish – just look at Rastafarians. The Beta Israel claim of Jewishness was accepted by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the Israeli government, in 1975 (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F.).
While “being Jewish” could be a plus on the political front it is probably not wise to see any more literalness to many a Jewish claim or statement than Kennedy’s political, “I am a Berliner.”
Note there are black people that have converted to the Jewish religion which demands attendance/visibility and is not therefore prone to high secrecy.
2. Anyone born in or descending from those of the geographic Judea area in ancient times.
3. Someone descended from the tribe of Judah, one of the twelve tribes of Israel. While this is one of the more popular IDs, one of the symbols of Judah is the lion. This is the symbol of England too, which suggests rather than “Jews” whoever that may be “ruling” England that they are synonymous with or one with English peoples, though it seems likely the tribe of Ephraim also has a large, and maybe the largest, positioning in England.
4. Here’s the real kicker: someone who is descendant from any of the twelve tribes of Israel. This makes just about all western peoples and some in Africa and Asia, notably Kashmir and China (in 1964 the Israeli Rabbinate declared that the Bene Israel are "full Jews in every respect."), Jewish. It is, however, virtually impossible to obtain genealogical proof of exactly who is descendant from the twelve tribes of Israel, though Mormons are attempting to. Many do contend that most western peoples are so descended and there certainly are a lot of signs and evidence.
This “of the twelve tribes” definition comes from the word Hebrew which became synonymous with the term Israelite (see link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrews), meaning of the twelve tribes of Israel, though it could also mean just a foreigner.
A smattering of the diverse geographic proof of this lies in the name Spain, Iberia which came from Hberia, land of Hebrew peoples (the I, H and J often phonetically interchanged once you go back over 500 years). Also the Hebrides and Outer Hebrides, resulted from a similar geographic evolution. The names were left, and changed somewhat in the lands and islands as the peoples both settled and travelled through them. The original Scottish declaration of independence asserts that the people arriving there were descended from the Tribes of Israel (probably mostly Benjamin). The word Jew evolved from Iew, which even Shakespeare wrote.
5. The term Zionist is not synonymous with the term Jew. Zionists may be Jewish – most certainly regard themselves as Jewish and in support of Jews. But they often are not regarded as true Jews by orthodox Jews. One can be a Zionist and not a Jew, by merely supporting Zionist goals. Zionists are political which often puts them at odds – to say the least -- with the orthodox Jews of the Rabbinical Congress.
The latter, unlike campaigning Zionists, do not generally have much money at all. Yet they have often taken out full page adds in the New York Times at great expense that they can hardly afford completely denouncing the actions of Zionism. For one, the Zionist principle of a land for the Jews is against the fundamental belief in the Diaspora and that the Jews will not have a homeland of their own until the arrival of their Messiah. It is anathema to these orthodox Jews that any Jew would fight and kill others for a Jewish homeland.
This has led to Zionists often marginalizing, to put it mildly, or actually disowning orthodox Jews, refusing to support, assist and/or help them, especially financially. The Zionists tend to keep money from their campaigns for themselves and those who support Zionist aims and goals, which are often not necessarily Jewish, and certainly not orthodox Jewish aims and goals.
6. Someone of Jewish parents, or of parents from one or more of the above definitions.
7. Ethnic Jews. These may even have other religions. See link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F. Note: there is no definition of “who is a Jew” under the Law of Return (to Israel).
Next time you think to use the word Jew or Jewish ask yourself, and make it clear to your readers, which version you are actually referring to. If you don’t you can guarantee you will be misunderstood. You might also consider whether you, yourself are a Jew under any of the above definitions.
Without citing a definition, the word Jew could mean just about anybody, making it meaningless and useless.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Villatlf
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - 09:10 pm: |
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Fidel Castro is warning about third world war if USA atacks Iran. I do not like this dictator, but he seems to be tune on what might happen. See the news here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/09/03/cuba.castro.speech/index.html?eref=edition |
Imaginosdesdinova
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 05:46 am: |
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I was reading & watching prophecies of Baba Vanga on youtube for some time, because some of my friends who aren't ready and can't accept Billy Meier story can't stop talking to me about prophecies of Baba Vanga. So i was curious and I started search info on the Internet about this woman. Baba Vanga is Macedonian woman who predicted WW2, disaster of submarine Kursk, WTC, death od princess Diane, own death and so on... she was blind and she claimed that she was in contact with extraterrestrials.
What interested me mostly was her similarities with Eduard's predictions on WW3... One of the reasons for begining of WW3 will be assasination attempts on 4 political figures she said. According to her information WW3 will begin on October 2010...
so if anybody is interested about her claims...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHogD6WkCcA
Peace!
Ervin
I'm a truth addict... ahhh Sh!t I got a head rush!
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Edward
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Post Number: 1924
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 01:23 am: |
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Hi Ervin....
Welcome to the FIGU board.
"According to her information WW3 will begin on October 2010..."
Well, we are now in the first week of November...and there is certainly NO
World War Three active. And let us all keep it this way, ok?
Pleasant Studying....
"Peace to ALL Creatures of Creation...."
Edward. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 09:09 am: |
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Dear Ervin,
The Vanga material does not concur with the Meier Material. This is based on my watching the Vanga video you provided.
Many of those things the video indicated were not prophecies as titled, but more like predictions... One involves mans' will, the other does not.
Some of the things were close but unlike Clinton ... no cigar...
Dreadful things... eh eh... that is news?
Some of this ladies' prophecies... are explaining things which have already happened (I.E. Mars' planetary orbital perturbations: Melona) from the Meier Material.
Predictions unlike prophecies cannot be changed... which... knowing the ability in which relatively few... may accomplish great things with proper foresight and wisdom. So... in effect; this lady is implying to us this is untrue by her vague descriptions using words like "dreadful" and far into the future with exact dates... like predictions... things which cannot change...(more fear than logic based). But indeed... armed with the possible or probable future... we can collectively change it with our focused wills by applying a neutral-positive approach.
Keeping our idea that we are all one... and thus cannot gain from war... is a good deterrent for it... Those blindfolded and/or brainwashed with inequality... cannot understand these words and must control in order to not fear... and the fear comes from their ignorance or greed. We must correctly find the true facts and dispel the fear and abolish the ignorance by observing truth, knowledge, wisdom, reason, logic, harmony and last but not least... peace.
Salome: Greetings in Peace and Wisdom... from the ancient Lyrian language... |
Elreyjr
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Post Number: 204
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 02:17 pm: |
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Greetings,
here is hoping the recent development between the two Koreas has nothing to do with the said third world war:
Tensions high as North, South Korea trade shelling
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101123/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash
Jun
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Silence
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2010 - 04:08 am: |
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Hello
About Baba Vanga's prophecies - apparently she has spoken of an exact date when the supposed III World War would start. The date was November 10. As we all know - the recent development between both Korea's was 3 days ago - November 23.
But check this - in Bulgaria (where she lived) part of the orthodox church still uses the Julian calendar. The 23 November in the Gregorian calendar equals to the 10 November in Julian calendar.
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Gib_niner
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Post Number: 131
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2010 - 04:55 pm: |
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Hello silence,
I cant help but wonder if you read that on ATS ? - dont usually go on there much but did of late in relation to the recent Korea clash - where this was mentioned..
Now while its true that on a technical note she is supposed to have said things would kick off in November 2010 - nowhere else did i see it that she is had given that exact date...in which case cant help but think that somewhere along the line that original ATS poster - just mixed up Novemver '10 (ie 2010) - with 1oth November! - anyway just a possibillity perhaps -
nevertheless in spite of that - wouldn't be inclined to think that things in general are looking exactly honky-dory...i would imagine...military exercises to go ahead on sunday in respect to the Koreas, Also China and Russia dumping the dollar - which is a huge thing - (though not even covered by CNN) (Last gulf war started after Saddam was planning on buying oil in euros as i understand it- Also 34 warships being deployed to gulf coast , (also marines/amphibious-vehicles part of that fleet) - some off the shores of Iran itself i think. Add in to that 4 submarines, also that very mysterious rocket launch off west coast USA...which nobody seems to know what it was at all.
Dunno when you connect up all the dots....
would be happy to see us safely through to mid-january without anything major kicking off - think that if we can get through this Nov. and then next year's November aswell - then we would be doing very WELL indeed.
SALOME
Dig the well before you are thirsty. ~Chinese Proverb
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