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Earthling
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Post Number: 494
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 02:53 am: | 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/abu-dhabi-rainstorm_n_803554.html
Abu Dhabi Scientists Create Desert Rainstorms: Report
Posted: 01- 3-11 10:26 AM
and from Billy's "Goblet of Truth"
And truly, the laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) decide (determine) everything according to its value, therefore also that you unfold (evolve) yourselves in the striving for knowledge and wisdom, so that you will one day explore (control) the appearance (nature) and make the waters (rain) fall from the clouds according to your wish (volition) and all growth to be brought forth (formed) according to your volition; therefore, everything will blossom and thrive according to your volition, and you will make rowed corn (cereals) and many other things sprout according to your consideration (discretion) when you change it in its nature (gene manipulation); therefore you will bring forth (create) growth (plants) of which you your selves are the creators, which however can only prosper through the laws of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation); and through your unfolding (evolution) you bring forth gardens in which many growths (plants) prosper, which are similar or dissimilar to one another, so that you have a wide variety of provision (food) from all parts of the world; truly these are signs (evidence) for all those amongst you who understand the truth. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 328
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 08:59 am: |
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Dying birds and fish, not just in the USA. 10,000 birds recently died in Manitoba and the Canadian version of the CDC is trying to cover it up.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/336/601/10,000s_of_Birds_found_dead_in_Manitoba.html
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 514
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 10:08 am: |
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China is now no. 1 in CO2 emission
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/31/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-country-data-co2?CMP=twt_fd
Saalome.
Suv
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Mattopenminds
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 04:15 am: |
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Dear Forum members,
For some time I have been in discussion with a friend of mine regarding the HAARP installation in Alaska and its negative capabilities at changing weather, controlling minds, etc.
During this discussion, I have searched on this forum for posts relating to HAARP and read Billy's take on it and fed these back to my friend who has researched each point carefully. Despite my exhaustive efforts, I have to date not been able to provide him with any conclusive scientific evidence that HAARP is as dangerous either theoretically or really as has been discussed here on the forum (including posts by Dyson Gaiaguys who worked with radar) and Billy.
It would be much too long to recount all the issues here but here is a summary:
> Dr. Eastlund's patent was for a speculative and unproven device approximately one million times as powerful as HAARP. The patent does not mention HAARP, and none of its drawings remotely resemble anything built at HAARP. For perspective, HAARP's antenna array measures about 1000 feet on a side. A device such as that imagined by Dr. Eastlund would have been 14 miles on a side, with one million antenna elements, compared to HAARP's 180. Eastlund was not involved in the HAARP project directly.
> The maximum ELF signal amplitude produced by HAARP has been measured at less than one ten-millionth of the Earth's natural background field, and the ionoshpere is created and replenished daily by radiation from the sun. Please see: http://www.windows2universe.org/spaceweather/sun_earth9.html
> HAARP creates ELF (Extra Low Frequency)and its maximum frequency is 10 MHz, and the dielectric heating effect of a microwave oven requires 2.5 GHz, or 250 times higher than HAARP. Dielectric heating also requires reversing the polarity of the field more than a million times a second, one thousand times HAARP's fastest frequency.
> HAARP is often ascribed capabilties of UAE's weather device. This device built by UAE operates in the atmoshere, by ionising the atmosphere and creating cloud formation, it does not operate in the ionosphere, and is completely different. Ionisers use electrostatically charged plates to produce positively or negatively charged gas ions that particulate matter sticks to (in an effect similar to static electricity).
> Often the capabilities of HAARP to change space weather is confused with changing the weather in the atmosphere. This capability of HAARP is openly publicised and is used to block communications and for spying.
> Dr. Belgich is often quoted on relation to HAARP's weather changing capabilities. He uses the example of power line harmonic resonance which causes fallout of charged particles from the Van Allen (radiation) belts, and the falling ions that cause ice crystals (which precipitate rain clouds). The electrical field around a charged object follows an inverse square law, i.e., the intensity of the field varies inversely as the square of the distance to the object. The tallest powerline pylons in the world are something like 227m high, while the ionosphere is generally held to begin at about 50km. Consequently, the electric field due to this line would be more than 48,000 times weaker at the lower limit of the ionosphere than it is on the ground directly underneath.
> Physicists Danial Winter, and Elizabeth Rauscher are also often quoted in relation to expert opinion in relation HAARP's weather changing and mind controlling capabilities. Here is Dan Winters' website: http://www.goldenmean.info/
which looks a bit like new age nonsense. Elizabeth Rauscher, Dan Winter, and Belgich all study, and give conferences on: remote veiwing, spiritual/energy healing, new age energy lines, and mind control. Interestingly, and very hypocritically, Winter and Rauscher run a business together producing a device called the "water imploder". It seems all morals go out of the window here when marketing this product, as they are trying to pitch this for tar sands oil production. Tar Sands in Canada, aside from destroying a whole native culture, and polluting the surrounding area, is the single biggest Co2 emmitter in the world. With fingers in this pie, is it any suprise they want to blame HAARP for global warming?
Do any forum members know of any scientific research to back up claims that HAARP does anything negative other than what is made known publicly by the USAF, i.e., spying, blocking communication? If references can be provided I would very much appreciate it. Please keep in mind that I have read and thoroughly researched all previous claims on the forum, all of which have been inconclusive. Is it about belief then? Am I missing something obvious here?
Salome,
Matt |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 333
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 09:13 am: |
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Hi Matt, I'm afraid the whole native culture was destroyed long before the tar sands appeared, way back in the 1800s and by our then government, white settlers and smallpox. Yes the pollution is bad, and we need a provincial government that will do something instead of sticking his head in the sand (like Rob Renner, environment minister - who I sent an email to during the last provincial election telling him that he did eff all for me and I would be telling everyone that he would do the same for them.) But we can still drink out of our rivers and that cannot be said about a lot of rivers around the world, but for how long, who knows?
Having lived here all my life, I can honestly tell you that we have had some crazy weather this winter. Last friday it was raining (it never rains here in the middle of winter) and then the night before last it got down to -37C. And by thursday we will be on the + side of 0C. The CO2 may in fact be part of the cause, I'm certainly not ruling that out. But the fact remains that Raytheon is the contractor for HAARP and it also has a plant in Calgary (can anyone think of a better way to see the results of the experiments). I've been noticing for quite some time, that most of our weather is coming out of Alaska (yes they show Alaska on our weather maps, but will be interesting if they all of a sudden quit showing it). Usually our cold weather comes from the Artic, not Alaska. And it seems to have nothing to do with the way the jet stream is moving.
That would be the day that I would rely on USAF to tell me the truth. I believe what Billy wrote about HAARP is the truth. Wouldn't be the first time governments have lied and certainly not the last.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Mattopenminds
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 08:40 pm: |
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Hi Justsayno,
I believe Billy too, but, that's my point. My concern is that to generate the public interest that could put pressure on HAARP to significantly decrease its activities, and so minimise environmental damage, we need to provide some sound theories as to why HAARP is a danger. At the moment the USAF is doing a good job at wagging its tail and playing the good dog when it comes to HAARP. Currently, the information available to most people on the web that criticises HAARP belongs to questionable science and people. This just isn't going to cut it with anyone who has a basic understanding of scientific principles and who don't know about or take Billy's word for it.
Salome,
Matt |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 534
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 04:28 am: |
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Nothing to panic - this has happened before:
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/54167-massive-solar-flare-hits-earth-tonight
"The coronal mass ejection associated with the flare is currently traveling about 900 Km/second and is expected to reach Earth’s orbit tonight at about 10pm EST."
Saalome.
Suv
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 537
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 09:05 am: |
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Hi Matt,
It is good that you do not take Meier's word by face value.
I noticed that the issues/doubts on HAARP that you mentioned are scientifically directionless - i.e. doubt in one area, debunking of another area without dealing with scientific facts. This is how the conspiracy sites are doing business by confusing non-technical people. An example is the point where household microwave is compared to HAARP. There is something in science always to be kept in mind - higher or lower value of anything does not mean anything: the effect and the same under certain circumstances (when, where, how) mean everything.
So Rather than commenting on those points, I decided to comment on the FIGU Bulletin itself.
I have done somewhat technical analysis of the article on HAARP. Bear with the technicalities.
Here is the original FIGU bulletin on HAARP: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_13
Now,
About Ionosphere
Ionosphere is a region from 50 to about 1000 km. The name come from ions (atoms that have unequal number of protons and electron – hence a net charge) that are formed when solar radiation transfers their energy to atoms and dislodges electrons from them. This process heats the layer due to the energy involved. These positively charged ions are unstable and attract free electrons when they are at close proximity and this process is called recombination.
The rate at which ionization occurs depends on the density of atoms in the atmosphere and the intensity of radiation, which varies with the activity of the sun. Ionization is maximum at noon and recombination is maximum at night. Since the atmosphere is bombarded by radiation of different frequencies, several ionized layers are formed at different altitudes. Lower frequency ultraviolet waves penetrate the atmosphere the least; therefore, they produce ionized layers at the higher altitudes. Conversely, ultraviolet waves of higher frequencies penetrate deeper and produce layers at the lower altitudes. Ionosphere is thus broken down into D (60-90km), E (90-120km) and F (up to 1000km or more) layers.
These layers play an important role in sky wave radio communication – particularly High Frequency communication.
Note: - An important factor is the angle of incident of the wave with the ionosphere. Each layer has high density ionization region at particular heights. These regions display a critical angle (or critical angle range) in such a manner that incoming waves higher than critical angle would escape to space while incoming waves lower than the critical angle would bend in such a manner that they would not be refracted back to earth. Also during nighttime, the D layer disappears due to lack of ionization and communication using this layer is not possible during night while the E, F layers remain unaffected.
About HAARP
It is written in the HAARP site that the AARP installation is a 3.6MW facility. That would mean that its Total Transmitter Power is 3.6MW. This would give an Effective Radiated Power of 5.1 GW when operating at maximum TTP.
[Go to http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/calciri.html . Put Rows =12 Columns=15, 9-9 MHz and any altitude between 100-1000. This would give EFR of 97.1 dBW=5.1 GW]
It is known that the Russians have a 190 MW HAARP like facility in Sura and there is another facility – the 70MW HIPAS facility in Alaska and a 1GW installation in Norway. People do not bother about them because conspiracy theorists have struck a chord with the HAARP installation with the general public and do not want to confuse people with unknown names which would lower their book sell. I am not sure why the FIGU Bulletin 13 focused only on HAARP. Perhaps it is being used for military purposes and the others not. But if the operating principle of these other facilities is same as HAARP, they are meant to cause similar destruction to ionosphere as HAARP, if not more - unless HAARP is used in a mode that the others are not. That would not be surprising because USAF, USN and DARPA (ARPANET rings a bell?) are among the bodies that fund HAARP.
[To put this into perspective, a medium sized thermal power station produces 1GW of power through 4 x 250MW units running in synchronization with each other and with the grid; each units consisting of HP and LP steam turbine. This "average" Generating station can provide power to a very large town or a small city. Each of these 4 units individually is capable of providing power to a medium sized town.]
HAARP being a 3.6 MW facility does not guarantee that TTP for operating the HAARP antennas has an upper limit of 3.6MW. It might operate at less power, or more power. It is possible to store/accumulate power using condensers and extract the power whenever required. So if someone wants to operate the antennas at a higher power, it is possible to do so. Of course, I cannot say if they are being operated in that configuration from whatever data is available to me.
Below are some of the allegations made in the FIGU Bulletin and analyzed by me:
"These energy-rays will then be reflected back to Earth from the ionosphere as electric waves of an extremely low frequency (ELF)."
ELF or Extremely low frequency waves are between 3-90Hz. They are highly difficult to produce given the huge dimension of the antenna required to produce them. For example, for a 1 Hz frequency wave:
Wavelength= 297 * 10^6 *.95 /frequency= 282 *10^6 m
Antenna length for a standard dipole antenna to produce such ELF wave = 282000 km
For the 76 Hz ELF communication system that US used, or uses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanguine_%28transmitter%29), the theoretical antenna length would be 3710 km.
To produce ELF waves, several thousand kilometer long antenna is thus required. Because of its huge size, the one of the very few economical way to produce ELF wave is to use the earth ionosphere itself by beaming radio energy into the Auroral electrojet (the curved, charged-particle stream formed at high latitudes where the solar wind interacts with Earth's magnetic field). The radio energy then disperses over large areas through duct like regions of the ionosphere, forming a virtual antenna that can be thousands of kilometers in length.
Note: - Phenomenon like lightning naturally produces ELF. The highest intensity of them occurs at 7.83 Hz and then higher overtones at approximately 6.5Hz intervals. This is well known as Schumann resonance.
"1. These ELF vibrations are able to penetrate the brains of people and animals if the vibrations are aimed in their direction. This will not only immobilize the victims preventing them from performing any movement or act of defense, but will also render them insane as well. A useful tool for the military, these waves can also penetrate walls of brick and steel. "
Is this possible? Conclusive data available to civilians is impossible to get. But I found this interesting article: http://www.raven1.net/elf.htm
"2. ELF frequencies improve radio contact and reception, even those within thick bunkers and atomic submarines.
3. ELF vibrations can penetrate the Earth's surface and detect hidden bunkers. "
This is already scientifically proven and used. An ELF antenna can emit waves penetrating as deeply as several kilometers into the ground, depending on the geological makeup and subsurface water conditions in a targeted area. Aircraft or satellites stationed overhead would then collect the reflected ELF waves and relay them to computers at a processing station, where subsurface homogeneities that trace the outlines of structures such as underground weapons facilities can be imaged.
By precisely warming a patch of the lower ionosphere, HAARP reduces its density relative to the surrounding atmosphere. An "ionospheric lens" thus formed can in turn focus a radio beam into a region of the upper ionosphere. Normally, most high-frequency radio waves broadcast from the ground are absorbed or scattered in the lower ionosphere, and few of them reach such high altitudes. Next, the focused radio beam excites a patch of the above mentioned upper ionosphere to form a virtual mirror. Finally, a radio-communication signal broadcast by the HAARP, focused through the lens and reflected from the virtual mirror can be directed far over the horizon.
As mentioned above, ELF signals have already been used for submarine communication in the 76 Hz frequency by the US and 82 Hz frequency by the Soviets/Russians. They are virtually impossible to intercept by the enemy.
"4. ELF waves can be used to track down and pinpoint missiles, airplanes and other flying craft even on the other side of the globe. "
Virtual lenses and mirrors could also be used to scan a blanket of very low frequency (VLF) radio waves transmitted by over-the-horizon radar.
So another application would be detection of stealth aircrafts. They reflect little VLF energy, and thus stealth aircraft can appear from above as "holes in the blanket of VLF wave" thus betraying their position.
It is explained above, how it can be used as over-the-horizon radar.
"5. ELF frequencies can entirely block electronic devices and radio waves of the enemy."
Knocking off Geo-Synchronous satellites from their orbit or enemy bombers by frying their electronics equipment is clearly a viable usage. How? Simple. You only need sufficient power to highly ionize a local region of ionosphere so that temporarily a huge number of high velocity electrons are produced. These electrons would easily penetrate the Geo Synchronous satellites and airplanes and even incoming missiles. Satellites are hardened for such events as space has a hostile atmosphere, but a short burst of huge number of electrons beyond a tolerance limit would certainly disable them.
It can also be used to break down radio frequency of the enemy by controlling the ionization rate at enemy airspace, thus changing the critical angle and deflecting the signal. It is also possible to create a temporary local D-layer and thus allow for radio communication within ally stations using this temporary D-layer.
"Possible side effects that are just as frightening must also be considered. "
"The obligatory environmental study for the HAARP project warns of the possibility of changes to the ionosphere that could influence the ozone layer, among other things. Interestingly enough, this study was not done by the American Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), but rather by the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy. "
Very little is known about this. As per Wikipedia, in 1984 a US federal judge halted construction requiring more environmental and health studies. This judgment was overruled by a federal appeals court on the basis that the US Navy claimed to have spent over 25 million dollars studying the effects of the electromagnetic fields with results indicating that they were similar to the effect produced by standard power distribution lines. Would this to be trusted - or the information in raven1.net would be taken as definitive? Who knows?
Theoriticaly at least, ionization rate of the lower ionosphere can produce or decrease rain. The electrons can attract dust particles around which condensation can take place. HAARP may serve as a tool to achieve that. But I'm not sure how UAE Government is doing it.
We are playing with an element in nature, which when affected in a wrong manner can bring dangers unknown to us. There is not enough data available to civilians like us either to debunk the harmful effect of HAARP or to determine the exact extent of damage caused by HAARP. Common sense tells not to mess with the fragile balance in the upper atmosphere.
Draw your own conclusion.
Saalome.
Suv
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Mattopenminds
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 02:12 am: |
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Hi Suv,
Thank you for taking the time to further my understanding about the Ionosphere, ELF's and how HAARP could be used negatively. I was particularly interested in the article on the "Effects of 6-10 Hz ELF on Brain Waves" by David S. Walonick (Ref: http://www.raven1.net/elf.htm). I have recently been looking into brain entrainment for an upcoming job interview.
When it comes to the non-Billy-believing world, where issues that Billy has dealt with are bound to arise from time to time (after all he has covered all the big topics) screaming, "Look I just believe in Billy, alright!" to someone who takes an opposing view, makes me squirm and think of when my Dad used to do this in his defence of his belief in Christianity. Much of what Billy says cannot be validated scientifically. So I am struggling with my inherent dislike of belief-based views and my like of FIGU and the information from Billy.
Salome,
Matt |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 539
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 11:03 am: |
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Hi Matt,
My above post 537 was a bit on the technical side. The purpose was to highlight the difficulty in generation of ELF wave and how ionospheric heating can have a variety of military usage, including generation of ELF waves (as alleged in the FIGU Bulletin).
Regarding the harmful effect of ELF on ionosphere and ozone layer, the strongest support came from the European parliament who acknowledged the dangers of HAARP in 1998, but nothing was done. Here is the link:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/haarp/esp_HAARP_7.htm
The effect of ELF wave on brain is not well documented and is considered border science.
While the article by David S. Walonick provide some verifiable information and some real interesting questions, I am sceptical of the experimental setup and the part where David S. Walonick prepared a portable ELF generator and used it on his neighbours dog. Also, I tried to search for the USN report on effect of ELF, but nothing came up. That is the problem - there is little data in the hand of civilians and whoever has some knowledge, fills up the gap with trash. The real knowledge is always kept secret; even the reports whose intention perhaps have been to cover-up, are hard to found and whenever these are available, they are found to contain vague statements. So when you want to investigate, there are only dead ends.
Saalome.
Suv
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 610
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 10:53 pm: |
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Hi Matt ;
I know what you mean , but it's like saying , "you're not right , I'm right . " Would it be better to say , " You have belief , while I have an understanding". It's only a suggestion . In the statements in your post , it sounds like you are against belief , but you are a "Billy Believer" . It sounds like a sticky problem .Most people looking to find fault with you would have an easy time doing so .
MC |
Mattopenminds
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 11:28 pm: |
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Hi Suv,
Do you think that the statement Billy made in FIGU Bulletin 13, "The obligatory environmental study... was not done by the American Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), but rather by the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy", means that there's a study out there somewhere, which should be freely available to the public, which has been kept hidden?. It could be that the Freedom of Information Act could be cited to get a copy of this study if it exists in the way I describe, i.e., obligatory meaning 'procedural'. When I have more time, I'll look into this. I'm sure if I have to be an American citizen to be subject to Freedom of Information laws in America? I know Big Pharma do the trick where they store the research done in Randomised Controlled Trials of new drugs in huge disorganised archives so that it is virtually impossible for anyone to get hold of the original test results, only their edited versions of them. Could this tactic have been used for the "obligatory study" mentioned in the bulletin? People have looked hard to find such a study with no success. It's all conjecture on my part but this could reveal something interesting. What's your thoughts?
Salome,
Matt |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 444
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 02:55 pm: |
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Obviously, HAARP has the potential to affect the environment, and yet deliberately is without credible oversight. Shall we politely ask the Federal Government to shut the project down? Shall we ask the AMA to come clean on cancer research, or to acknowledge critical research on the impacts of microwaves and cellphones?
When someone knows what they are doing is wrong, and yet they do it anyway, they probably will not change their behavior based upon external influences. And yet, we don't live in an ideal world, and gentle patience is an ideal, a luxury of boring times.
Personally, I live a pretty boring life, and am perhaps too patient. How about you? Will you allow these 'people' to cook the atmosphere, tearing at its malleable structure?
Fur leben.
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Mattopenminds
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 03:44 pm: |
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Hi Mark,
At risk of going off topic, but to demonstrate and to refer to your point of being 'an easy target' I am willing to go off topic to defend myself and say that I do not agree with that point. I am no easy target. I'm not sure what you really mean by your point sorry. Understanding, belief; A Christian would say they have understanding of God and really believe this so your point is missed on me I'm afraid. It is sticky when it comes to Billy's story whether we like it or not; even for Billy and his family but at least they have their personal experiences to recount to know that they are not falling into belief. I've never met a Plejaren or seen a UFO (I may have met dwarf-like people once but that could have been just strange looking human beings) In any case as I stated in my previous point so much of Billy's information cannot be verified. It is in the nature of the story of Billy that we are left having to make our own minds up. To believe him or not. There are of course undeniable predictions that have come true but we still have to believe or not believe based upon what little facts we know and that can be verified. I'm just saying that I don't like to be in this position. Perhaps you could reiterate your point so that I can understand what you were trying to say but maybe in another topic area? Not sure how we can do that?
Matt |
Sanjin
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 08:12 pm: |
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Hi Matt.
I think that "trusting Billy" on certain issues is also a good way to go about it.
Love makes the world go round.
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 611
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 09:39 pm: |
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My point is missed on you , then . |
Mattopenminds
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 01:48 am: |
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Hi Sanjin,
"Trusting Billy" - Now there's a concept I can relate to. I like this because it is more personal based upon the merit and knowledge of a person overall and Billy has shown his merit and I am getting to know him personally a little better as time passes. Thanks Sanjin.
Sitkaa,
I understand your frustration: There's so much delinquency it can be overwhelming. I'm trying to find out if the study mentioned in Bulletin 13 is something we can get hold of. In my experience pressure does work. Recently in the UK a decision to sell off publicly owned ancient woodland was overturned by over 500k Brits (including myself) signing a petition. It may not always stop degenerate behaviours, but, public pressure can minimise them and can be the difference between life and death for some.
Salome,
Matt |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 847
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 11:29 pm: |
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'I think', is another way to express a position that is important to oneself, and helps avoid the dead end pattern of being just another 'believer'. To place your thoughts within the context of them having been reasoned, contemplated on, compared, and well understood, so that the other person that you are speaking with senses that you've used critical thinking to stand confidently in line with Billy's teachings, can help avoid your dilemma. Of course this means you truly must deeply contemplate Billy's materials, or you will be just a 'believer'.
It is the spiritual message we are talking about, isn't it? If this is the case( and it would be what Billy is trying to share with humanity), then your presumed need for verifiable elements won't be available until our sensing technology becomes sensitive enough to begin documenting the fine matter/energy that creates our spiritual reality.
So with that in mind, frame your conversations with the acknowledgment that science hasn't reached the state where repeatable proof is common, so you rely on your own cognitions of what you've researched in the Meier materials.
Since we are just now entering into the 'Age of Knowing'(Aquarius), it should be partially agreeable that humanity is only now really starting to acquire the tools to present definable evidence to others as 'proof'. So, our deep, and ongoing contemplation, can stand as your evidence if you present it as a result of your thinking and reasoning on the Meier story. Truth, once presented and analyzed, has a way of making this method a 'knowable' position.
Realize, in most cases, several conversations will be necessary for the person your attempting to respond to. A barrier will exist in some form or another, and ones ability to project their steadfast
position as one of an ongoing research into these remarkable truths, will allow yourself a place that doesn't need to be believed.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Bronzedesk
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 06:43 am: |
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Very well put Shawn !!! |
Mattopenminds
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 06:38 am: |
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Kingman,
'I think' God exists. I have felt his power first-hand all my life and compared in depth the Bible to other religious texts. I have studied the Bible 50 times and can say with confidence that God exists (Of course I haven't and I don't... but... you get my point!). Sorry kingman I'll frame my conversations in the way Sanjin suggests, i.e., 'Trusting Billy' (nice one Sanjin) The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. Its saying "Look I don't have all the answers and can never have them but according to what I've read and know through my personal experiences this man Billy knows alot of things, amazing things that I don't know & will not know in this lifetime so I would be wasting my time trying to convince you of this cause you don't know the man like I know him".
Cue the "off topic" warning...
Matt |
Jacob
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Post Number: 595
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 07:25 am: |
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This is not on topic, all need to put these discussions in the correct place.
Posts about this conversation are no longer accepted in this section, please use the proper section.
(Message edited by jacob on February 23, 2011)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 338
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 10:13 am: |
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What does Raytheon say about their company? Oh look it's all about the drugs, nothing more to see here, move along. As you can see Matt, I don't believe their crock o'crap because they would be busting their own monopoly on cocaine and heroin. That's not happening. Ask yourself when was the last time you heard about anything other than marijuana busts?
When Jesse Ventura did his show about HAARP, he couldn't even get into the facility. The surrounding population have learned to shut up because they are scared of mind control or just disappearing.
I believe Billy because he's been honest and consistant. Even those that say he lied, have no proof. And continuously the predictions are coming true.
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/hfswr/
"HFSWR (High-Frequency Surface Wave Radar) is a rapidly-deployed, low-cost system designed to detect and track ships and low-flying aircraft to beyond the 200 nautical mile limit.
Fulfilling a Critical Need
Raytheon and the DoD’s CTDPO (Counterdrug Technology Development Program Office) recently began demonstrating Raytheon’s new technology HFSWR (High-Frequency Surface Wave Radar) for reliable detection of small maritime vessels and low-flying aircraft in support of a critical mission need to protect the littoral waters of the United States against narcotic traffickers or other trans-national threats.
Low-Cost, All-Weather, Beyond Line-of-Sight
Raytheon’s HFSWR is a promising new technology for low-cost, all-weather, accurate and reliable surveillance of surface vessels and low-flying aircraft well in excess of the visible horizon. HF surface wave radars are ideally suited to surveillance of the EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone). The technology offers highly autonomous 24-hour-per-day, 7-day-per-week operation with one of the lowest operating costs per unit coverage area of all other radar types. The transportable HFSWR radar system can be assembled and operational in under 2 days. The implementation is highly modular and can be readily integrated with existing surveillance assets from either land or sea.
Surveillance From Land Promises the Lowest Cost
Microwave radars are the sensors traditionally used to establish continuous offshore surveillance.
Shore-based microwave radars operate in line-of-sight mode and cannot detect and track surface vessels and low-flying aircraft much beyond 30 nautical miles.
For surveillance of surface vessels and low-flying aircraft beyond 30 nautical miles, the only alternative up to now has been to operate from shipboard and airborne platforms, where the costs of providing surveillance are very high and 24-hour, all-weather surveillance is simply not practical.
The Only Shore-Based Radar for Beyond-the-Horizon Detection
Unlike traditional shore-based microwave radar, the HFSWR uses vertically polarized HF (High-Frequency) electromagnetic signals that are not limited by the horizon but propagate along the ocean surface. This unique capability allows the HFSWR to be the only shore-based radar system capable of detecting small surface and low-flying targets at tactically significant ranges."
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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