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Earthling
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Post Number: 493
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 12:09 pm: | 
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Christian, I'm not so sure that governments are falsifying census numbers as much as they are incapable &/or incompetent of actually delivering correct numbers. We're practically in the stone age, going door by door, trying to account for all humans; compared to the nifty technology possessed by the Plejaren.
Thanks for passing on the info.
Bruce |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 408
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 03:29 pm: |
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I just got back from a brief visit with my paternal lineage. I talked abit with mi padre about overpop. He has long since retired from public service and has no real plans to return to it. As a geographer working with NASA he spent much of his career documenting the remotely sensed impacts of mankind's burgeoning society. In case you are wondering, he wrote a book called "Orbit", which is available on Amazon, no doubt.
Mi padre, he has been as close to an expert on overpop as the US gov has ever had. Although he knows nothing of the Plejaren and Billy Meier, early on in his career at NASA he proved to his own satisfaction of the reality of overpop, and relayed to me as much. A number of times while visiting in his office at the JSC, he showed me just exactly what the impacts of overpop look like from outer space, some of which have also made it into his book (if you read between the lines...) He tried and tried to alert other people to the facts of our environmental impacts, and to the problems driven by overpop, with some limited successes. For much of my life, he has told our generation (in my family) of the coming problems we are facing --- too many as yet unmentionables. I think he finally gave up about ten (or so) years ago when his final retirement loomed.
I asked him if he would come out of retirement, knowing what he knows. I think he is just too disgusted with our government leadership to bother trying to enlighten anybody anymore. Besides, we all know the issues, well, everything but the elected officials who live in constant denial of reality.
Lachen und Leben.
: )
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 500
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 06:06 pm: |
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I think the reason behind the difference of 1 billion is combination of both - problem with the process of collecting census data and political motives.
* Census in many countries does not count illegal immigrants as 'their' population. Some countries do not bother to count them properly at all and merely provide estimates.
* Then there are the homeless populace and the destitute and tribal communities in remote areas. Do all countries count them properly?
* Outright falsification of numbers, either to cover up failure in policies or to avoid 'population race' between various religion/communities or to instil false sense of control is also highly probable.
In the South Asian countries, all these three factors are highly probable - a perfect storm. In the developed nations, the second factor should not be a major contributor.
Saalome.
Suv
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 501
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 06:26 pm: |
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Another factor behind the 1 billion gap - many countries do not conduct census at regular interval. For example, the last official census in Afghanistan was in 1979. The current numbers are only estimates.
Saalome.
Suv
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Memo00
Member
Post Number: 459
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 07:20 am: |
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One really intelligent human talking about the subject and explaining things clearly with few words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ZX-x7sySI
Salome |
Andyv24
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |
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My girlfriend is wanting to know by what means the Plajaren come up with their global population figure? Can anyone please enlighten us? Thanks a lot, I don't post here much, but do read here much, love this forum.
Andy |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2073
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:21 pm: |
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While I am not positive about this, I think population figures are determined by vibrations. Since each person emits a unique vibration, this could be registered. The total summation of these vibrations would give you a population figure. |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 637
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:10 pm: |
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Hi Andyv24 the plejaren have developed scanning devices that are able to find, recognize, identify and count each and every spirit form that enlivens any human body. Each human spirit form is unique, like a fingerprint or a human iris, it has "its own signature".....Using special measuring devices and techniques spirit forms can be counted. The plejaren are also able to classify/separate spirit forms in two main groups, those that are currently incarnating a human body and those staying at the beyond.
Many centuries will have to pass before we earth humans develop that kind of technology which allows to count, analize and identify spirit forms. |
Andyv24
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:25 pm: |
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Great, yeah I recall reading something along those lines. Thanks Scott |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 638
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 10:28 am: |
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It is my understanding a Plejaren device called a BioGram(m) is used for detection of human life forms... Note: It does not detect beings living a certain depth below the surface of the earth. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1976
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 11:19 pm: |
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Hi Christian....
WOW....very stunning number!
I was afraid it would be such a tremendous number. After the mentioned
National Geographic number, of some 7.000.000.000...in the documentary they
showed which I watched and mentioned here on the board, some time back. And
they seemed to be the 'closest' in number. than other counts made, here-and-there.
Political Leaders should be AWARE of this count. Now, they can see at first
hand that the Increasing rate...is quite MONSTROUS! And STILL....Growing.
This Monster will - eat up - planet Earth before they know it...
Edward. |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 540
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 12:46 am: |
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Hi Memo00
Basic analogies like the one presented by Isaac Asimov are the sort most likely to find widespread acceptance and understanding thereby helping to get the message across.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ZX-x7sySI
Thanks ....
Cheers.
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Burninsh
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 02:06 pm: |
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>>Memo00<<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Miv4NHsDo this one explains everything even more. You are all worried about overpopulation only because its affect you and possibly your children future not because its affects others. Im not trying to say it’s a bad thing or we are bad, its just natural and how things work on this planet obviously.
Overpopulation solutions
Long term:
1. Political Dictatorship (not elected by people)
Short term
2. War. Forced sterilizations ( best done without human awareness )
That’s it nothing will help us. We can do what we want while so called friends Plajeran’s wonder around our planet in shiny luxury, garbage can lid shaped objects, and check us once in a while. In case we try to disrupt solar planets natural balance with nuking ourselves, what my cause miss balance in universe and might even affect their own habitat, sending unjpljjesant spiritual waves of gayness trough 106 dimension.
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 422
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 07:01 am: |
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Overpop solutions
long term:
1. strong competent altruistic leadership
short term:
2.common sense on longer term issues
Dictatorships on this planet have a long history of failing in rapid succession. People here just won't put up with it. Of course, they also lack common sense. You gotta reduce the issue to very simplistic terms:
(x amount of people)
*
(using y amount of resources)
=
snowballs into a disaster
Anyway, any dictatorship would no doubt become corrupted in short order. There is only one way outa this mess - strong competent altruistic leadership.
Fur leben.
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Memo00
Member
Post Number: 460
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 07:52 am: |
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Hello Burnish
I saw the video and the man says some things that are true but also many that aren´t, for example:
1-We can be really a threat to the planet and we can literally blow it, as one planet in our solar system already has been by our ancestors. (Malona, now the asteroid belt)
2-Most probably we will not disappear, even if some bad cases happen, a third world war (3/4 parts of humankind would die) or a global pandemic (more than 90% of the population could die in it), the problem with overpopulation is that the quality of life will be reduced each day and wars, crime, drug addictions and all problems will increase daily as all misery and terrible pain does, slavery, organ traffic and an immense list of things that happen everyday in our planet, basically all this things are unsolvable if population continues increasing.
3- Dictatorship is not the solution, it is indeed needed only one world government so that really effective global measures are taken, but it should be the result of logic and understanding otherwise the persons in power would be soon overthrown by the use of force leading to more chaos, violence and misery.
4- War isn´t the solution also, if you look at the numbers you will see that after wars (WWII for example) population increases very fast reaching even higher numbers than before. Look at places currently in war like Afghanistan and you will see that its population is increasing everyday despite all violence and misery.
5- Forced sterilizations have been done in the past (for example in India) and weren´t very succesful. In fact they had a negative long term effect and as a result of it many persons are against birth control and argue human rights and other things.
Salome |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 594
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 10:38 am: |
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Burnout , are you always so charming ?
Have you any restraining orders against you ? |
Burninsh
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 11:53 am: |
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Markcampbell<< Actually no. Just frustrated and tired. =) |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 595
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 05:31 pm: |
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Well, Burnish, I hope you don't mind me saying that I think you defeat yourself at the start , that is , you put up alot of antagonism just to see what will grow out of it . None of us here have anything against you , but you come out swinging your fists before anything .
So , why not call a truce with yourself , and come join us for some learning, the civil way ?
Your last comment said it all , and I really do know what you mean . I sympathize with whatever you are going through , but by your actions, we go through it with you , and wrongly so . A sense of community and growth is all we have to offer .
Kind Regards , Mark |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 06:14 pm: |
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Billy and the Plejarens talked about the dangers of overpopulation. For example, food will be very limited and this is one of the consequences: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-14/world/world.food.crisis_1_food-aid-food-prices-rice-prices?_s=PM:WORLD |
Theredpill
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 07:54 am: |
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Hi,
I was unable to find answers to this using the search so here it is.
I am trying to find what the Plejaren's or Billy's recommendation is for birth control with our technology today for couples that wish to continue to enjoy sex.
At one point we've considered vesectomy but in one of the answers from Billy that this has long-term side effects.
I haven't been successful in posting this question to Billy since that section is closed regularly every I visit here.
Thank you all ans Salome! |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 503
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 04:03 am: |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-food-problem-in-a-nutshell-2011-1?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+clusterstock+%28ClusterStock%29
"Egypt's Food Problem In A Nutshell - As food inflation is such a hot-button issue right now, here's the part on food. The gist. A rapidly growing population has not only caused demand to grow, it's also reduce the amount of land availability for growing food."
"As population grows, the amount of land needed for housing and businesses rises, and the amount of land for agriculture falls. So Egypt can produce less of its own food, as time goes on." |
Joe
Member
Post Number: 147
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 07:02 am: |
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Planet could be 'unrecognizable' by 2050, experts say
"The United Nations has predicted the global population will reach seven billion this year, and climb to nine billion by 2050, "with almost all of the growth occurring in poor countries, particularly Africa and South Asia," said John Bongaarts of the non-profit Population Council."
This figure of 7 billion people is certainly inaccurate because according to the Plejaren there are already over 8 billion people on this planet so for sure a population of 9 billion people would be reached before 2050 if nothing is done about it.
http://www.france24.com/en/20110220-planet-could-be-unrecognizable-2050-experts-say |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 288
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 01:01 pm: |
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Hi forum members,
I just want to add some of my own thoughts and conclusions to Joes post above.
It is truly wrong to blame countries like Africa with most of the blame for population growth. There are factors that make it impossible for poor countries to be the biggest overpopulates.
1, Human beings born in poorer countries live shorter lives. In places like Ethiopia and Nigeria, new born babies have a expected life span of only 5 years.
2, This is due to the fact that poor resources hinder life expectancy and with the "help" from richer countries some of the resources which are available are shipped out of their countries to feed richer countries populations.
Also, countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, United Kingdom, Germany have larger populations, to which their countries space and resources can handle.
There is a lot of finger pointing and blame on the weaker, poorer nations towards the problem of overpopulation from the richer, more powerful nations. This simply means that the big wigs in positions of so called power are still not taking responsibility for overpopulation and their own obligation for the well being of their respective countries and populations.
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A fellow figu passive member and myself are currently working on a document which clearly shows the true inaccuracy of the population figures given by earth sources. Once the document is finished there will be clear evidence of just how the population figures are erroneous due to incomplete population data, assumptions and population data recorded dates.
Hopefully this document will be completed within the next month.
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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