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    Sitkaa Member Post Number: 445 Registered: 10-2004 |
Stephen-moore: When you get it finished, and if it is well referenced and worth reading, please send a hard copy to Senator Richard Burr (with my compliments...). The good Senator has asked to be kept apprised of further overpop arguments, by way of continued vociferous denial that such a thing is even a conceptual possibility. Regardless of his capacity for self-delusion, he does appear to be intelligent enough to understand some measure of common-sense. Senator Richard Burr's office Washington, DC 217 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 Fax: (202) 228-2981 Fur leben. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Sitkaa Thanks for the information on Senator Richard Burr. I will contact him soon and also forward him the article http://www.thecircleforhumanity.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=114%3Aa-road-towards-humanness&catid=31%3Ageneral&Itemid=37&lang=en aswell as a letter about aspects of overpopulation. Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2004 |
Regarding Senator Burr: I wouldn't sweep the kitchen and throw it all at him. He would just get defensive. Right now, if he could just make the first step, regardless of the implications or implementations, that overpop is a real situation that really needs to be addressed, if he could just acknowledge this much, it would be a positive miracle. Fur leben. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 451 Registered: 10-2004 |
House votes to cut funding for Planned Parenthood. http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5999 Fur leben. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 620 Registered: 10-2008 |
Here is a link to the South Germany FIGU studygroup website . A smart series of posters in German on Overpopulation . http://de.figu.org/ueberbevoelkerung-plakate | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2009 |
About doing something about overpopulation, in my opinion, women's right's could be a great step in order to fix the overpopulation problem. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 06-2008 |
Doing something about overpopulation ..... Listen carefully to wealthy philantropist Bill Gates who attended last years 2010 Bilderberg meeting. Here is part of a CNN interview lasting 46 seconds. Gates: "Unbelievable progress could be made both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them, ah, we could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that if we have success on it and the benefits there in terms of reducing sickness, REDUCING THE POPULATION GROWTH, it really allows a society a chance to take care of itself once you've made that an arencion" ??? what is an arencion ??? It's not in any English encyclopedia or dictionary. However, examine his statements ..... what does reducing the population growth have to do with vaccines and what does he mean by allowing society to take care of itself once you've made that an arencion ??? So what exactly is this Bilderberger behind the curtain world government corporate insider admitting or saying ? Is this corporate doublespeak or a clue ? Check out the body language & smiles as he speaks ..... http://coupmedia.org/vaccinations/bill-gates-admits-vaccination-population-control-on-cnn-0703 Cheers. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'm not sure, but it sounds like he might be saying "...once you've made that intervention." Apparently, some vaccines are designed to make people sterile, which would reduce population growth. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2109 Registered: 12-1999 |
I agree Ardie it sounds like intervention | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 547 Registered: 06-2009 |
Widening the distribution net and proper application of vaccines in underdeveloped areas would increase the life expectancy at birth at those regions. That would mean, each children would have more chance of surviving childhood and survive long enough to be earning members. This would discourage couples to have backup babies, i.e. babies conceived to fill the gap of previous babies who might not survive long enough. Saalome. Suv | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 06-2008 |
Sure, yes .... earning members ? What is the worldwide unemployment rate ? Save them for what exactly ? Isn't the problem overpopulation and exponential population growth. So it appears logical on the face of it that without education each life saved is a potential and in many areas probable future contributor to overbreeding. So what does reducing population growth have to do with or how is it related to lot's of people being injected with ..... something or other supposedly vaccines. Isn't that a ploy by big pharma to extract money from governments .... taxpayers for the purpose of procuring doses of vaccines plus the associated injection paraphenalia plus conditioning of populations to accept being injected en masse with .... something or other supposedly for their benefit. If populations are already on average undernourished, unhealthy, unemployment rife, poverty on the increase, opportunity on the decrease due to competition what's the point & objective of saving people ? .... for what fate exactly ? If money intended for vaccinations was spent on education & contraception well that's a different story but Mr Gates is talking about injections ... Cheers. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Ramirez, the HPV vaccine has been approved in the U.S. since 2006 and it contains Polysorbate 80 which causes infertility in rats. The target age is teenager. I recently read an article that teen pregnancies in the U.S. are going down... Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2035 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Well, here, they inoculate...couples([slightly]mental handicap, etc.,) whom are unable to parent their children properly; or even, if child abuse in present, etc. And so, they will not any offspring, further.... The government has not yet thought of inoculating for the purpose to decreasing the Overpopulation aspect, alas. Which, of course, could also be implemented abroad. I know, in the past, such was executed to certain American Indian people, in the USA; due, to the government or whom every, found the mentioned people as a Hinder to their further progress and development, of the country. Edward. | ||
Ix09 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2011 |
I said this in another thread, but, I should have made the statement here: What I find interesting is the ratio of births with educated families in relation to uneducated families. It seems the paradigm points where people of lesser or no advanced education produce many many children, where those with higher and advanced educations most usually only have one child, maybe two, if any at all. Instead of addressing over population directly, would it not then seem wise to address access to higher and advanced levels of education for everyone? This would potentially impact the problem with overpopulation in an indirect fashion possibly even more successfully than addressing the issue directly to an undereducated knowledge-poor world population, as well as opening minds towards greater potentials for all as a whole. Enacting regulations and laws to stop overpopulation would just grow government powers towards police states where large sums of money would go into supporting a larger infrastructure of monitoring and enforcement of such things as fertility laws where those monies could instead be applied to higher education programs for the socioeconomically disadvantaged, research into clean renewable energy solutions, and more efficient agriculture to feed populations we have now. I thus think higher education for everyone on the planet would be a more worthwhile goal that will go far toward resolving the world population issue, as well as empowering everyone with the wealth of learning that higher education itself gives. With a more educated world population, we will have a 'smarter' world population that can work toward solving our planet's problems more efficiently. The road to enlightenment, and self actualization starts with learning. The more you learn, the more WE learn, the more we can achieve with eyes open. Please accept my apologies for posting this a second time, but posting here in this topic thread is probably more appropriate than the response where the overpopulation issue was brought up in another topic thread. Peace to all, --Matt Marquis Anything we can conceive, we should also be able to achieve, but, nothing worth having is or should be easy. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1418 Registered: 02-2000 |
A great website with action alerts http://www.populationconnection.org/ My Website | ||
Ix09 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2011 |
I had another thought in regard to the overpopulation issue that would fall into a compromise area for those that like the idea of sterilization. I still stand by my statement that education should be paramount in benefiting everyone in more ways than just decreasing the population, but also enabling people to think, see, and do something about all the world's problems with the wealth of understanding that education brings. On the other hand, some like a more direct approach by promoting brutal measures and actions like sterilization of people. The problem with this is who gets to make the decisions about who gets sterilized and who gets to procreate? There can't be any right answer for this because no matter how impartial someone or some group holding such power might be, exceptions, and concessions will be made with favorites played. As a concession measure, what if everyone were only allowed to have 1 single child? This gives everyone the chance to procreate, plus, since it takes 2 people to make 1 child, the population would decrease by HALF each new generation. It would of course be entirely impossible to regulate on any government, political or social level, so, why not let nature do the work by engineering a tailor made world wide pervasive viral epidemic that's only registered effect is to make it impossible for there to be more than one birth per couple with a trigger that sterilizes the ovaries that's activated by the levels of hormone production associated with birth? The Y chromosome trigger activation for men would be more complicated so powerful men couldn't abuse access to fertile women, but such might could be activated through subtle pheromone recognition through contact with progeny. This would make it impossible for any man or woman to create more than one child each. Each generation would decrease by HALF or more. Everyone would still have the option to procreate, and over time the world population would decrease naturally until the 500 million mark is reached. At that time, the virus could be altered to allow 2 births, removed altogether, or made inactive in just women or just men. Unfortunately, our technology levels, as I understand it, aren't sophisticated enough to design, and deploy a safely harmless virus tailored to the task. If such a thing were done, an objective, technologically sophisticated, and ethically advanced impartial 3rd party would need to be trusted to safely design, test, deploy, warden, and oversee the project. Anyone know of any very highly advanced, impartial benefactor, ethically sophisticated 3rd parties that would have the patience and trustworthiness to stick around for a few hundred years to oversee such a project? Anything we can conceive, we should also be able to achieve, but, nothing worth having is or should be easy. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Ix09 (re;Post#5) Those are interesting observations and points you make. From your observing perspective, I would likely come to the same conclusions. Unfortunately, it goes against Creation's recommendations in that, for one, it violates free will. It is better when we get real creative and eventually, from experiences, contemplations and intuitions, we figure out how to best share it with people in a way that fosters cognitions. This causes evolution, logical thinking and a sense of right and wrong with the understanding of Cause & Effect and thus people would 'act' on the logical and appropriate measures. In this way, wise council is followed and celebrated. Knowledge is only 'potential' power, it is in the application of knowledge that the power is found. We now need to understand how to make that power effective that it may be affective in a neutral-positive way. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Ix09 Having only one children doesnīt reduce population for the simple reason that life expectancy is rising more and more. (If it would work then China would have reduced its population already, check: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:ChinaDemography.svg) For example if you live 90 years, and you have one kid at age 30 and then he has one kid at age 30 which has another kid at age 30, then when you finally reach the age of 90 and die there will be more persons than before not less. (2 more persons, if your wife dies at more or less the same time then you leave at least 1 person more than before apart from the two that will "replace" you and your wife) For this to work and reduce population then other measures must be taken and not everyone must be able to have children (drug addicts, criminals, persons with genetically transmitted diseases, etc. must not have children). The most complete and effective measures are explained by Billy in the FIGU website, they have been proven in other planets and should be followed if there is any hope to make this planet a better place to live. Salome | ||
Ix09 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2011 |
Please let me repeat that I first and foremost recommend education. The proposition of an engineered virus was just a concession to those talking about sterilization through disguised underhanded secret measures like immunizations. In regards to criminals and drug addicts, why should these people be sterilized for life? It's inhumane, brutal, and a step backwards in rational thought and response to a problem. Once again, education and the empowerment that education gives one to self actualize is a very powerful tool and can go far. I was once a drug addict and criminal with a felony charge on my record for drugs to prove it. I'm not proud of my past, but, I can wave that past like a flag as proof that it is entirely possible to change, to self evolve and progress towards rational educated thought and deed. I did this through education alone without religion, without need for rehabilitative consultation with drug abuse professionals, without the help of anyone else other than educational financial assistance grants. I went to university, got an education, opened my eyes, and learned to think for myself, to challenge myself towards self actualization. Why arbitrarily condemn for life anyone who've made mistakes when those mistakes were made while their eyes and minds were closed? Condemn people for their entire life for mistakes they've made without ever giving them opportunity to prove their potential and you make an enemy. Educate them, teach them to think, to see, to examine themselves, their surroundings, and all around them, and you may very well find a great ally that can use the lessons of their mistakes and see things from perspectives that docile white sheep would never know. For the record, I have ZERO children. I'm 40, and still quite potent, yet, I'm doing my part and have been doing my part long before I ever knew anything about Meier. In my opinion, anyone that has more than 1 child has no room for debate, because by having more than 1 child, they've abused their right to procreate. No one should think they are special or exempt such that they have more than one child. If one thinks they are special, then, everyone else may as well be too, and that kind of thinking and freedom has gotten us to the population we now have. On note regarding people with genetically transmitted diseases; through education, with enough minds open and enlightened, with enough people working and researching into the causes and how to fix them, genetically transmitted diseases can be resolved so that they are not a problem. No one should be punished for some accident of birth, or mistakes made while blind to reason and slave to physical addictions. No one should have the option removed to at least have one child. Education should be priority. Education can be difficult and time consuming, but, nothing worth having is every really easy is it? The benefits of education and enlightenment far outweigh some quick and simple solution of brutality where select peoples get sterilized. Even if life expectancies were 200, or 300 years, limiting each person to only one child between two people will indeed work. Please do the math, revisit your university algebra where you can label current population X, then next generation Y, and generations after wards Z, or any other variable you wish to select. Once X procreates, X can no longer contribute to expansion. Once Y procreates, Y can no longer contribute. Sure on the immediate short term scale, the original progenitors and earlier generations stick around for awhile, but, eventually they go away leaving smaller and smaller generational populations behind. If if unpaired X's manage to procreate with Y, or even Z, the system still works, taking 2 out in the long run for every 1 produced. Once again, education is important. Educate yourself, understand, open your eyes and learn to think independently from what you are told or brought up to believe. Question everything, even what you believe in or want to believe in. Most all problems have solutions, but, often the solutions are rarely easy, or even intuitive, otherwise the problem would have never occurred. Beauty, Peace, Love, Enlightenment, Understanding and Wisdom to all. --Matt Marquis Anything we can conceive, we should also be able to achieve, but, nothing worth having is or should be easy. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hey Matt (Ix09re;Post#6) You will be pleasantly surprised that the logic you pointed out is exactly what the spiritual teachings say. If you read the Goblet of Truth, you will read of the same logic you pointed out. You are right on. The extreme measures are with those individuals that refuse to use education, as you correctly stated should be used and are hardened criminals who will not make efforts. In addition my friend, Creation teaches that rehabilitation through education is warranted as you stated and not the mistreatment, abuse, torture or death penalty (our present system sadly). Again, you pointed out the feeling of what was not right and in every respect you mentioned, you are correct. Thanks for the post # 6 as it further clarified your post. Welcome to the forum and what a powerful testament of having applied yourself to Creations recommendations (whether you knew or not), as we can thereby see that it is indeed effective and a person indeed can and does change. Great post! I would love to see what you get out of studying the Talmud Jmmanuel and the Goblet of Truth. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 487 Registered: 03-2004 |
Matt Marquis You are right about education, it is very important. Each new human being that is born has the right to be completely healthy (and to receive the best education and have all the necessary for its growth in all aspects), thats why not everyone must have children. Of course with time all negative genetic influences could be removed through science but that time hasnīt arrived yet. It is prophesied, that in the distant future the overpopulation problem could be so bad that if for any reason a person has children without authorization then the they would be killed (the parents). Of course we do not have to arrive to that point. That would be really inhumane and brutal. To not have children, i donīt see how that can be inhumane or against human rights. Where are the human rights of all those poor children that live on the streets, that are beaten, raped and used as slaves or which organs are stolen? Iīm not telling that we should suddenly begin massive sterilizations. Plain and simply the law must be created that allows procreation only if the necessary requisites are meet (you can see them on the FIGU website), if the law isnīt followed then sterilization must come along with other measures explained by Billy. Salome (peace) | ||
Ix09 Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2011 |
@ Eddieamartin: Thank you. I question every thing, most of all myself and what I believe in. To examine the self and learn to see with the heart instead of with eyes and ears or to follow any one teaching form any one man is a truer path. @ Memo00: No matter what you think is true, or believe to be right, EVERYONE should have the right to have at least one child. NO ONE, regardless of condition, belief, history, philosophy, political affiliation, ethnic background, or mental condition should ever be denied to have at least one child. The first years that any European, North American, Westernized governments start enacting any programs of sterilization will become known in future Histories as the first years of a great war that unites Muslims, Christians, Jews, and many people of all faiths in a common cause against such regulations and man-made man-enforced law. This war will be asymmetrical, planned, and carried out in cells much like other terrorist and guerrilla warfare tactics employed by other oppressed peoples who've in the past found themselves fighting for a belief against an organized military authoritarian government. This resistance, will cause governments to enact more extreme measures of authority to restrict people and maintain power, and these actions will cause more people to join in fighting against government controls. This asymmetrical war will rage for decades, burning countries out from the inside, creating authoritarian gestapo police states where once there was freedom. Such will be the undoing of civilization as you have come to know it and the fall of mankind into a new dark ages where nothing has been resolved and all things are much worse than before. No government, political, or man-governed, man-made laws will fix anything. Government control and rule by humans of humans as with anything and everything in the past and in the future, will be filled with corruptions, favoritism, exceptions, special cases, concession, and other such where those with power, influence, or money will be allowed to do what they want. Fertility laws will be no exception. No human regulated restriction will be tolerated. Any and all regulation would have to seem natural and effect everyone on the planet without exception, discrimination, or favoritism as I proposed with an all pervasive pandemic scale undetected virus which limits every single person to only one birth each. If you limit anyone to zero children by force, or even through action of a virus, you will once again reduce the world to another dark ages as you propose to do with enacting sterilization. You can see an interpretation of what things could be like by reading the book or watching the movie Children of Men. You've already shown that your logic and reasoning is flawed in challenging the math of one child per couple. Please open your heart to the greater truth of things instead of being led like a sheep to simple solutions that are not solutions and will only cause bigger problems, no matter what you reference as the source for the solution. Question everything, especially yourself, and especially what you believe in. Blind faith in the words of anyone or any prophecy is not self reliance, but self defeat. Is not self reliance said to be important? Think about it. Open your heart to the truth and question everything. The easier you accept anything, the harder you must examine that acceptance because nothing worth having should never be taken for granted or accepted as something easy or free. Not everyone is equal, but everyone should be treated equally, regardless their station, condition, means, outlook, philosophy, history, ethnicity, education, intelligence, or defect. You may not agree with my words, because you do not look up to me or follow me around like a hero, but, these words come from someone with ZERO children who is doing their part. If overpopulation is so important, then, how can anyone, no matter how special they might claim to be, especially if they are preaching or giving prophecy about overpopulation abuse their privilege by having more than one child? Beauty, Peace, Love, Enlightenment, Understanding and Wisdom to all. --Matt Marquis Anything we can conceive, we should also be able to achieve, but, nothing worth having is or should be easy. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 389 Registered: 07-2009 |
> In regard to this "No government, political, or man-governed, man- > made laws will fix anything. " and the entire post, perhaps what's missed is that human's have already violated Creational and natural laws and so bring upon themselves the disasters of overpopulation. Of course, should we not voluntarily limit procreation as necessary, wars, diseases, etc. will come upon us and effect the reduction. I think that Meier has addressed the sense of "entitlement" that many people have, i.e. "You can't tell ME what to do!" as an immature, selfish state of mind. > |
