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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 08:39 am: | 
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Hello Ufoman,
I too had these and other questions as you have. I found all these things discussed by Billy and the Plejarens. Quetzal, Semjase and Ptaah shed much interesting knowledge and information on these subjects. They shed scientific, historical and in some instances spiritual, moral and ethical perspectives that shed light on Creations perspective on all of this.
Try the Contact Reports my friend, there you will find the answers to your questions and some additional intriguing information.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 635
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 09:36 pm: |
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Insects did evolve from plants .I read that in the CN . The praying mantis still shows a connection with it's stem-like exoskeleton . Plants eventually evolved to have heads ( on some other worlds) , but my thought about this is that it would not happen on this planet for many millions of years ...thankfully !
I don't know about the Crabosaur or Lobstersaur , or the Parkeetdactyl . |
Ufoman
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 01:10 am: |
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do the plants have edible fruit? There are plant like this on earth called venus flytraps. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 562
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 05:05 am: |
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Hi Ufoman,
Plants are enlivened by impulse energy spirit form that is cosmic electromagnetic in nature, whereas insects have drive-consciousness. However, plants can evolve to a state where insect-like features like legs, mouth, mantis, then head, eyes, nervous systems...etc can develop, and thus, ability to bear consciousness similar to those in insects becomes possible. Billy was able to photograph such plant-insect crossovers during one of his trips with the Plejaren.
IMO, to say that all insects evolve from plants would be confusing, because, then we have to say that humans also evolve from plants because the earliest un-recognizable human forms bore an impulse consciousness similar to plant, and were immobile like plants. Through evolution, a instinct consciousness, then a hybrid consciousness, and finally the conscious aware consciousness was possible in humans.
So to speak, the earliest, earliest developmental stages of all living beings share some part of commonality. Some fraction of multi-cellular organisms evolved into plants, while some fraction of multi-cellular organisms evolved into insects...going forward some fraction of plant lives would evolve into insects and possibly still higher forms of life.
"Death belongs to life as birth does. The walk is in the raising of the foot as in the laying of it down." - Rabindranath Tagore
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Markjr
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 11:01 pm: |
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In Contact 260 Billy talks about how microwaves are bad. I was wondering if those new infrared ovens are safe to use. Has Billy said anything about this? |
Edward
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Post Number: 2058
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 04:05 am: |
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Hi Sumkhuti....
Yes, I would agree with you.
Even Billy mentioned that planet life and human 'make up' are not that
Compatible; I only, mentioned, here once...that it could be possible when
it all is in a state of Early Evolution, due to the conditions and
circumstances which enables this to manifest, itself. [Elements of Nature in this
state having endless possibilities to 'merge' with each other, etc...]
Even, David Attenborough mentioned that we humans are a 'tiny fraction' of
(Deep Sea) plant life. Due, to the plant life in the ocean being one of the
first living formats to exist due, to the proper conditions. And from there
on..the rest took it's own course of Evolution, to become...to what ever it is
To Be.
Edward. |
Ufoman
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 11:19 pm: |
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In truth I am instrerested to see if Zeta Reticullins planets with their star system contain similar planet contain similar flora and faunas. |
Sonik_01
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Post Number: 209
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 08:29 pm: |
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Ufoman,
Why the hell don't you study the material for yourself and find these answers instead of wanting us to spoonfeed you??!! Really, man, show a little initiative!!
Sonik_01 |
Sonik_01
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 03:36 am: |
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Sorry Ufoman,
You brought up a legitimate concern in your post #32, but really, study the material for yourself FIRST, and then ask relevant questions. Informing yourself will not only bring you the satisfaction of learning, then you won't be bothering others and be dependant on them for information. I mean really, you don't even have to buy any books if you don't want to.
Salome, |
Scott
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Post Number: 2133
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 09:02 am: |
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Recently I had to have a pet cat put to sleep. This cat was an an indoor cat and I believe had some form of cancer which was causing weight loss and breathing problems. It was obvious the animal was suffering and it was just a matter of time before the animal passed away. Since it was an indoor cat, I didn't want to have a dying animal within the household, so I decided to have it put to sleep. Under other conditions, I would have been able to let the animal outside, but due to circumstances this was not an option. I have wondered did I violate some natural law by having the animal put to sleep rather than letting it expire in its own natural way? It was a difficult decision, but either way it was just a matter of time.
Any comments
Thanks
Scott |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 09:33 am: |
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Losses like this are always hard hit! I had a Japanese Chin who I had put to sleep and felt the same regrets of loss. However, I feel the answer lies in the emotions felt at the time and the reason and the purpose of the relationship itself! We cannot change what were but certainly we can trust on how we can associate with others in their hours of need so to speak.
Believe it or not there is a realm for everything and I know for a fact that each animal soul is guided to us for protection in the material realm. The love attained through such an encounter are not random at all but very well planned in advanced by the whole.
In order to explain heaven - you must go through hell first. Only those who have done so can rightfully say that they can understand what you or anyone are going through or have gone through!
But to answer your question truthfully - Nothing of a negative nature is Written in Stone on this Matter! It has given you a chance to love and be loved unconditionally!
Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs!
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Memo00
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Post Number: 493
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 11:07 am: |
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Hi Scott
since animals do no evolve in the same way that we do, i think it is not wrong to kill an animal that is suffering, since they will not learn from that pain like we can do. That you feel bad about killing the cat only shows that you are a good, decent person. Billy once also felt bad when he had to kill a dog even when he knew it was the right thing to do. (as the dog became very aggressive and was a threat)
Salome |
Scott
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Post Number: 2135
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 03:51 pm: |
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Thanks very much for your kind responses. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 633
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 04:11 pm: |
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Hi, Scott,
You did the right thing, its in accordance with the natural-creative laws and recommendations.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Earthling
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Post Number: 561
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 03:33 pm: |
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Scott, fwiw; not sure where I read it but I believe Billy or the Plejaren said that animals should be put out of their misery rather than having them needlessly suffer. |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 656
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 11:57 pm: |
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I'm sorry for your loss , Scott . It's difficult to put a pet to rest because they are friends to us in a way that only they can be . Of course , some may want to argue that animals can't be our friends . An animal would never argue the point with you ; a friend indeed . |
Patm
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 12:49 pm: |
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Scott,
I am learning to view the issues I encounter in everyday life from two primary perspectives. The material issues and the spiritual issues with the final view being an integrated result of the two into a "truth in understanding" perspective which I integrate into my everyday life with the goal of spiritual perfection (it will take ??? material cycles to achieve this goal but my spirit will retain the truthful knowledge it stores in its spiritual subconscious for use in future material cycles).
With your question I will address the answer I have come up with for myself to integrate into my life. This may not be the same for anyone else as this will always be a personal process that each of us will need to pursue for ourselves.
Material issues ------------------
1. As you are probably already aware the humans of earth do not follow the recommendations regarding domesticating animals. This can be reviewed in depth in Contact Report 148. We are in fact subjecting ourselves to a hazardous environment by keeping house pets.
Spiritual issues -------------------
1. Flora and fauna Created with a purpose.
Goblet of Truth Chapter 6 -
157) And domesticated animals have come forth for you from the appearance (nature) through the laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation), created in pairs, male and female, such as sheep and goats, horses and camels, and therefore also cattle, cats and dogs and poultry of various forms, so that they may be useful for you in work and as protection, as well as that you may feed yourselves from them; and nothing is forbidden to you as your provision (food) therefore you shall not lend your ears to the lies that people of your kind (human beings) concoct (hatch) against the truth namely that you shall not eat from this and that, because consider that those who are lying to you are without knowledge and merely want to lead you into confusion, both you alone and all people.
2. Consciousness
-animals have an instinctive/driving (Instinkt/Triebbewusstsein) consciousness
-humans have a conscious consciousness.(from Questions to Billy)
-There is no mental communication possible between human beings and animals.Animals don’t have a conscious mental block, but only an instinct block. The only connection between a human being and an animal is by the personal “radiation” (Ausstrahlung). The animal can feel the attitude one has against it. Btw: Telepathy is also not possible between human beings and animals. (from Questions to Billy)
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That all being said the purpose of flora and fauna as explained in Genesis was to be created prior to humans to provide the food and the assistance in gathering food we would need. Then the humans in all their variety, with the goal of spiritual perfection to someday reunite with Creation, was created to dominate the flora and fauna and assisting other humans in achieving spiritual perfect.
Personally I received a cat for Christmas 12.5 years ago. Before knowing what I have learned since. I took on the responsibility of this fauna life form for other than food purposes. As I have learned many of the instinctual responses this cat uses in letting me know what it needs as it has also instinctually learned to deal with me.
In doing this I have in fact robbed this animal from progressing in its own natural development cycle of evolution. It will never learn to hunt, mate, or procreate. I would prefer it to die of natural causes but due to my interference in its natural development cycle I still carry the responsibility of cutting the suffering short if in its death process if it comes to that. Having an pet "put-down" by a vet, to me, will be more humane than me terminating its material life if it should come to that as the vets process is two part, injection causing deep sleep followed by injection of a heart stopping agent. Hopefully without suffering. My preference is for it to die naturally, without suffering.
What I will carry on with me...in my future everyday life is that I will never subject another animal to a selfish misunderstood assumed need of mine, and rob it of a natural development cycle of its own. In other words I will never again domesticate an animal that will not be intended for food.
-patm |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 01:53 pm: |
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Love knows no reason why. For that you could just easily look to the miracle of life in the universe, and ask why. Love is. When our love has moved on, like water flowing through time's garden, we find ourselves to have grown abit, to have learned abit, to now know abit more. And love knows no reason why.
Fur leben.
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1_lucky_guy
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 01:46 pm: |
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Hello everyone 
Not sure if it's the right area for this question. But I was wondering does anyone know about a 25000 years cycle of the earth in which all spirits in the fine matter realm have to reincarnated? If so,how does it affect or connected to overpopulation? If not, does the consciousness block of this planet dissolves after such period and wait for more spirits ?... a little light and correction would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Salome.
E.J
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Sonik_01
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Post Number: 215
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 06:16 pm: |
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Hi PatM,
Very interesting that you should put it that way. I had never thought of it from the animal's point of view. What about keeping guard dogs for protection? They are aggressive enouugh to fend for themselves if need be and don't necessarily require human assistance, unless you live in a city. Do people think it would be okay to keep guard dogs? |
Patm
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 10:55 pm: |
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Sonik_01,
Regarding my previous post and your question in response:
As I explained, The mistake I understand myself to have made in my situation regarding the domestication of an animal for other than food or assistance requirements was wrong of me in MY case. The lesson learned should not be repeated by me. Hopefully I learned from my mistake.
I can only make a few recommendations to a situation of a guard dog as I will never have a need for such a fauna life form.
Material issues:
1) Is the animal kept in an owners house (hazardous environment for human)
2) How is the animal trained (mistreated?)
3) Is the material life cycle modified from natural (birth procreation death)
4) Billy uses/used peacocks to guard (for noise not harm)
Spiritual Issues:
1) Fauna life forms were also provided for protection as well as for food and assistance in food gathering
2)Intent of the owner in modifying the instinct consciousness of a dog:
- to kill on command or encounter (modified instinct)
- to aggressively subdue (modified instinct)
- to protect only as necessary (Instinctual)
- to make noise during a disturbance(instinctual)
My resulting understanding:
As my situation does not include the need of a guard dog I have only included a few of the issues, material and spiritual, that would be involved in my own decision. Each human must make that decision for themselves as your material and spiritual issues will be your own depending on your own spiritual development.
Please also do not forget the Love for all Creation's creations and the piece-parts of Creation we all possess, our spirits (including the guard dog AND its potential victims)
-patm |
Sonik_01
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Post Number: 216
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 03, 2011 - 09:57 pm: |
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Pat M
I was only asking because I was aware Billy had a guard dog before which went deranged and had to be put down. I think you are complicating the issue a little too much here. Dogs are smart enough and can be trained without maltreatment, unlike worms or insects. Training a dog is not necessarily mistreating a dog.
Also, I am on the fence about neutering, because the thing is that if dogs are not neutered, they overreproduce and become pests, like my neighbour who has about a dozen cats that she feeds running around the neighbourhood, digging holes in people's gardens, and and peeing in people's garages. You see? By not neutering a dog or a cat, are you actually doing it harm? |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 376
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 06:24 am: |
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Hi Scott, look on the positive side, now you have a cat free home! And it's okay to feel bad and mourn the loss, you wouldn't be human if you didn't feel some guilt, warranted or not. The Plejarens didn't seem too upset when Billy's cats suddenly started turning up dead because they knew the long term effect these animals were having on humans.
In 2003 we had our first confirmed case of BSE because instead of shoot, shovel and shut up, the farmer decided that he didn't want to take a full loss on the animal. As soon as it was loaded on the truck, it was covered by his insurance. Unfortunately doing the right thing, taking care of our own and making sure it doesn't get into the food chain was trumped by greed. The feeding of animal renderings to cattle has stopped, but it's only stopped for cattle and has continued for all other animals. Everyone needs to find out what is going on in their own country as this may vary. But it sure makes me wonder if this is what will be the cause of the upcoming goat flu?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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