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    Smukhuti Member Post Number: 576 Registered: 06-2009 |
For those interested to know how the U.S.America runs its imperial economy, and the real reason behind the Iraq war, I encourage reading this article published back in 2006: http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/petrov/2006/0120.html This article was also re-published in FIGU Bulletin 57. "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 390 Registered: 07-2009 |
> As Meier had told me in May 2006: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29wnpEy2DY4 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2077 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael.... Yes: Excellent Memory Refreshers.... For the details, the Newbees, etc....can obtain through reading the rest of the Meier Materials. And as Billy even once mentioned, that in the near future we will...know WHO really was behind it all.... Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 678 Registered: 10-2005 |
Was this year one of the possible years for the world to erupt into a world war? Bin Laden, Kadaffi's son (Libya's recently appointed leader) hundreds killed in Libya... uprising against Muburek in Eygpt we have to watch for a number of world leaders being killed in a small period of time... | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2006 |
Michael, the US dollar is far from being worthless (as mentioned) at the moment. When do you think it might get to that, if it gets to it. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2006 |
This post is not a follow up on my previous post. I didn't know where to put this post and choose here because it slightly relates to the 2012 doomsday prophecies. According to the Meier material regarding the 2012 solar storms and the widespread damage it would cause to electrical grids such as blowing transformers and so forth, and knocking out electricity for months or years in countries. The question I have is why can't the electrical grids be shut down to avoid meltdowns if we have eight minutes warning before the solar storms arrive? | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 04-2006 |
Rarena, didn't Bin Laden supposedly die years ago? And I'm unsure if Kadaffi's son can be regarded as a leader. How come theres no info in the notes about all this Arab uprising? I don't know if its good or bad to see with regards to WW3. | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 08-2008 |
Matt: 8 minutes? The earth satellites which detect those solar flares are in the vicinity of earth (a few seconds away from earth base-stations). - By the time their warnings arrive, so have the flare's effects, if not a few seconds later. - Most people think nothing is going to happen to them, but it may happen to others. - Even regional coordination for this "switch-off" sounds impractical. Salome Carlos -- Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form. Quetzal: Das will ich tun. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 580 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Matt, The solar storms and its effects during the 2012-2014 period are neither prophecies nor predictions, but probability. There are many reasons such grid shutdown would not be possible: * Currently, there are no satellites close to the sun monitoring solar activities. Satellites close to the earth are looking at imagery which are already close to 8 minutes old, and at best could provide a fraction of second lead time. * Satellites, whose electronics are not severely hardened, would be in danger of losing electronic control. Chances are, as soon as they spot huge solar flares, they would be simultaneously heat by it and would go offline. Though in all case, such hardening is done, I am not sure of the tolerance limit. Then there is the chance of base station being hit by power outage. * Most of the satellites orbiting earth are looking down to earth rather than away from earth. Solar observation satellite cameras are specifically designed for such purpose and require special filters to look at solar activities, otherwise, just looking at a bigger and brighter sun does not help much, which would rather damage the lenses than be of any use. * To my knowledge, there is no worldwide system of real-time sharing of solar activities. If a huge one is detected, there is no proper protocol and channel to share that information from one of the few major space-faring nations having that capability to other nations that have not entered into some sort of data sharing agreement with those space-faring nations. * Then there is the problem of beurocratic red-tape in passing the information from space organizations, to government, to power department, to the relevant persons...etc. At best, we have many hours, not minutes of notice, if at all such notices are available. By then, the damage would be done. The best chance to avoid such disasters would be to collect/compare daily solar activity data, feeding them to computer models, sharing results, and doing pro-active synchronized grid shutdowns, if required. "There are many more wrong answers than right ones, and they are easier to find." - Michael Friedlander | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 549 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Matt, The knocking out of electricity is a possibility rather than a done deal. As to why the electrical grids can't be shut down in eight minutes, this was covered in the Discovery TV program on CME and 2012. Basically the answer is red tape, and loss of lives. The manager of a power plant cannot just close it down without authorization -- through a chain of command. The mayor for one e.g needs to be notified of the danger and intention for the shut down. S/he must then contact others to clarify that is OK. When word finally gets back to the plant operator an hour or two have passed. That's too late. The dramatized program then posited an interview between the mayor of New York and one plant manager in which the mayor said words to the effect of, "I know you will not be able to obtain the legal authorization you need to shut down the plant in time, but you are an intelligent man and I'm counting on the fact that you will know what to do when the time arrives." Meaning the plant manager was expected to shut it down and risk being fired for...breach of contract (?); and his shutting down the plant will result in a certain number of deaths in emergency hospitals to name just one example. Should the crisis pass with no major problem the manager would doubtless be tried with the deaths of those people who would then have needlessly died. If, on the other hand, it does result in disaster -- and the rub is you cannot know for sure before hand -- then he would be credited with saving lives at lesser risk in other hospitals and through protecting the plant and enabling other plants to come back on line quicker through the electricity he had kept available and in operation. I think this is the second time this has been explained here. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 855 Registered: 07-2004 |
Here's the latest NASA probe for this SUN problem we may realize somewhat soon.....Launched Feb 11, 2011 "SDO is the first satellite under the Living with a Star (LWS) program at NASA. The spacecraft is being designed to fly for five years. However, since satellites go through a lot of testing and retesting, they often keep working long past their initial mission life. SOHO for example, which was built to fly for five years, in 2005 celebrated its 10 year anniversary in 2005! SDO is unlike any other satellite. It will be collecting huge amounts of data everyday. In fact SDO will produce enough data to fill a single CD every 36 seconds... OK, so it will produce a lot of data, but what else makes it special? Many satellites share a ground system (place on the ground where they send data and photographs) and have recording systems to save the data collected until they can talk to their ground station. Because SDO has no recording system and will be collecting so much data, the SDO mission has to build its very OWN ground station. For this to be possible, SDO has to be placed in a geosynchronous orbit (GEO). This means that it will rotate at the same speed as the Earth and will always be directly above and in constant communication with its ground station in New Mexico." I think scientific minds are waking up to our Sun becoming the main player for Earth changes that could possibly harbor the greatest, and worldwide, disaster potential on our horizon. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 10-2005 |
It is my understanding Bin Laden died years ago. As to the dollar devaluation I see it occuring daily... at the parking meter... (dollar coins accepted)... at the amusement park... (six fl@gs, $1 tokens worth; twenty five cents) etc etc etc... at the movie theater ($4 popcorn and $4 cokes...) popcorn is worth less than a dollar, cokes worth less than fifty cents. Everytime we buy worthless, overpriced junk, like cell phones that play two hour movies connect to the internet or watches that cost over $10,000... we devalue our lives by devaluing our currency. The currency has no more hedge or basis in fine metals (like silver certificates or gold certificates) just a junk bond "fad value"... the Fad King! (Wag the dog/ Old Shew... Osam@ got Obam@) Clothes, fantasy, reputation... all worthless... and truly not as much as the unthinking, hypnotised, brainwashed masses pay... Twenty five thousand for a GuCC@y watch or purse etc etc etc.. $10,000 tummy tuck with botox...watch what you pay for... it is directly preportional to the quality of life you or someone equal to you... will have to endure... and we are all equal... Also, an electric car, when stopped uses no energy... whereas a diesel or gasoline engine is purring away gradually causing more war, more cancer and more unsustainability for the earth to recover from... just count the number of seconds at that stop light or McDonalds line... multiply that times fifty states... 4000 countries... that leads to years of unsustainability and usage in one day! Electric cars stop and the energy stops... | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 04-2006 |
Thanks Smukhuti, Cpl and Carlos for that info! So the 2012-2014 solar storms are neither prophecies nor predictions, but probability. How much of a probability are they that they will occur and what sort of damage can be expected to happen if they occur in the worst case senario? | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Please see the information at this link for another person's > research, etc.: http://breadandbutterscience.com/SSTA.pdf | ||
Pele_ii Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2011 |
Solar Flares, and not Solar Storms, are prediction, and not prophecies, especially in 2012. Solar flares are magnetically driven explosions on the surface of the sun. Approximately 8 minutes after a Solar Flare occurs on the surface of the sun, a powerful burst of electromagnetic radiation in the form of X-ray, extreme ultraviolet rays, gamma ray radiation and radio burst arrives at Earth. The ultraviolet rays heat the upper atmosphere which causes the outer atmospheric shell to expand. The x-rays strip electrons from the atom in the ionosphere producing a sudden increase in total electron content, and therefore, they produce satellite communications interference, radar interference, shortwave radio fades and blackout and atmospheric drag on satellite producing an unplanned change in orbit. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 583 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Matt, http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/11679.html#POST54743 "There are many more wrong answers than right ones, and they are easier to find." - Michael Friedlander | ||
Pele_ii Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2011 |
Hi Smukhuti, Contact Report 476 Date/time of contact: Tuesday, the 3rd of February 2009 Translator(s): Christian Frehner and Willem Mondrian Date of original translation: Thursday, the 10th of September 2009 Billy....Through the very strong X-rays falling down on Earth, the magnetic field can suffer from very strong fluctuations. And through geomagnetic storms, power supplies and all electronic appliances can collapse, also those in the satellites, and the ISS may also suffer great damage or may even have a complete (power) failure. Such solar storms may lead to enormous natural catastrophes, and in a worst-case scenario, to a polarity reversal of the Earth's magnetic field. What has to be said also is that such solar storms are forming up to a climax in an exact rhythm of eleven years, which is a normal occurrence, but in the year 2012 it may happen in an extraordinary magnitude. The Earth will fall victim to a very strong bombardment of hard radiation, which may have a very negative effect on the Earth's ozone layer. Due to the entire resulting process, nitric oxides and acid rain can be formed worldwide, which may have evil and devastating effects on the entire plant life. The enormous solar eruptions can lead to further very strong climate changes and, with it, to immense droughts, bad weather, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, crop failure and, therefore, to even greater famines than have existed up to now. Besides all this, the year 2012 brings other unpleasant events, like e.g. an unknown, invisible, dark and huge space wanderer that is threatening from the fringe of our solar system and could wreak tremendous havoc regarding Earth. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 586 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Pele_ii, Geomagnetic storms are not predictions. On the other hand, even earth scientists know that the period in question would see increased solar activity, i.e. greater number of CMEs/Solar flares/Solar storms (all 3 are same in colloquial terms). The scenario described by Billy in contact 476 would happen only if a sufficiently large CME hurl charged particles directly towards the direction of earth, causing a geomagnetic storm. Not only timing and intensity of the solar flare, but the rotation of the sun and the revolution of the earth would need to be perfect so that such possibility becomes a reality. Such an event may repeat multiple times during the period, or may not happen at all. That is why, without a journey to the future, such scenario (geomagnetic storms) cannot be confirmed as predictions. The possible scenario described by Billy in Contact 476 is also re-iterated by Ptaah in Contact 498. In contact 498 Ptaah mentions: ... "Doch das, was ich hier sage und erkläre, entspricht keiner Prophezeiung und keiner Voraussage, sondern das Ganze legt nur Möglichkeiten offen, die unter Umständen Wirklichkeit werden können, wenn sich das eine oder andere ergibt. Was wirklich sein wird, das werden die kommenden Jahre erweisen, wobei wir diese aber nicht vorausschauend erforscht haben, folglich ich diesbezüglich auch keine Voraussagen zu nennen habe." ... that roughly means (and I do not translate): ... "But what I say here and explain does not correspond to prophecy or prediction, but the whole reveal only possibilities, which can come true under certain circumstances that may arise. What will be real, the coming years will prove this and we have investigated this, however, not with foresight, consequently in this connection I also have no predictions." ... In contact 498, Billy also mentions that our sun is shrinking with less and less energy output and Ptaah talks about the possibility of prolonged period of cold weather in the future. "There are many more wrong answers than right ones, and they are easier to find." - Michael Friedlander | ||
Pele_ii Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2011 |
Greetings from Brazil. =20 Thank you Smukhuti, You are absolutely right, and it was my mistake. But don=92t you think = that the contact 476, the way Billy talks about the Solar Storms, it will be a major event, compare to past = events? So much so that Ptaah gave the warning several times to Billy not to = disclosure more data? Based on that contact, I took as 100% the major solar storms for 2012, = which can cause lots of unpleasant consequences. Please give me your opinion. Thanks again, Salome.=20 ---------- These posts are not about the 3rd world war. Please continue this in another appropriate section. Robyn Moderator (Message edited by indi on May 17, 2011) | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 587 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Pele_ii, After reading some non-FIGU publications on the possibility of geomagnetic storm in 2012-2014, I feel the probability of at least one such major event is pretty high. Evidently, the Plejarens are avoiding panic mongering. A major correction of my post 580: When a CME occurs, there are various component radiations that are emitted. Some travel at light speed, but others, more importantly, the plasma of charged particle (most harmful for earth's electronic infrastructure) travels at a fraction of speed of light. Such a plasma cloud can cover the distance between sun and earth in 3-4 days. It seems red tape/lack of co-ordination/planning are the primary issues in preventing major part of the damage. Remember the final scenes from the movie "The day the Earth Stood Still" (the old one)? Only that hospitals and essential service would not be spared in the event of a grid collapse.  Even then, would any such event serve as a wake up call to the scientific community and the world leaders to jointly work together in areas of planetary importance - such as space monitoring and exploration? I doubt so. One-upnationship and national pride rules. Let us hope that the response against Apophis is well co-ordinated. "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Mohandas K. Gandhi | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Michael, No one replied to my earlier question about why theres no mention of the Arab uprising in the notes. Mind if I ask you if you ever spoke to billy about that and what he said, if you did speak to him? I guess I'm still concerned about the threat of WW3 happening as mentioned in the prophecies. Was it 3 or 4 leaders dying/killed in quick succession that is the signal of no return? Gadaffi could be one, but I'm not really sure about any others there could be. Maybe one or two may fall to assassination from western/europeon countries. I'm worried because I just don't know whether this Arab uprising is a good or bad thing in relation to the WW3 prophecies. And also with Billy not saying much on the matter doesn't help or make me feel any better/safer. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Hi Matt, I know that Meier spoke of the various revolutions in > Contact 251: Additionally, lengthy deliberations will increasingly > take place regarding Islamic fundamentalism, which will mesmerize > the entire globe. Uprisings, revolutions, wars and other diverse > forms of unrest will escalate tremendously, with Islamic > fundamentalism playing a very sad part in the scenario. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 08-2004 |
This video below certainly doesn't mince any words and really echoes what Billy and the Plejaren have said about the US wars since WWII, and possibly by extrapolation how many of the more militant Islamic people will become mesmerized. People are now beginning to stand up and speak out against these insane aggressions of the US military and industrial complex. One can see all Billy has written about on this topic so close to coming true. Hopefully, with enough attention and right action we can yet steer events away from the Great Fire. With, however, a gaggle of leaders around the ME being deposed (and possibly to be disposed of shortly), 2001 now ten years away (Billy said 10 years of preparation before WWIII -- if it is to begin), and the ME now a whole set of tinder boxes ready to ignite from unrest to something possibly worse all around one big powder keg by the name of Saudi Arabia it is difficult to be overly hopeful. At this time and seemingly crucial juncture in international affairs let's each of us do all we can in rectitude and correctness to bring peace to our world. Let us press on regardless for peace in whatever ways we can and raise by several notches our peace actions of every kind. <http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/1792.html>} Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. |
