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    Justsayno Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 10-2009 |
1. Yes, I should have said "spray us all" and I wouldn't care less if I was sterile. I had three kids before I stumbled upon Billy's material. Should I send them back? (this was sarcasm if there is any doubt) 2. How is an airborne virus any different than being sprayed? You are suggesting pretty much the same as me except your virus is currently not available. How come you don't have a solution that is viable for right now oh great thinker? 3. I insult your intelligence but you have insulted everyone that has answered your postings. Too bad they don't teach common sense in school. 4. I have been keeping track of the radiation levels hitting the west coast of north america. Too much radiation causes mutilation, you might want to read up on that. What has worked on other worlds for sterilization is microwaves. Good to see that you aren't talking about reptiles in the government these days. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 06-2009 |
Matt Marquis, You wrote - "Do you want the rest of the world to take such associations and twist them horribly into images completely out of context? Do you suggest the problem lies with the methods in the petition or in the mindset of the people? Should an effective method adjust itself to the illogical thoughts and feelings of a planet and reduce its effectiveness? As I wrote before that the most realistic expectation in earth would be to expect countries to adopt the method of - doing nothing. This method would have ZERO resistance in implementation. You say "I am not, and will never be a victim of blind faith, or trust." then ponder "How many faithful followers would leave, their faith shattered, if Billy was proved beyond a doubt to be a complete fake? ", completely forgetting that you are also here (faith? knowledge? anything else?) Then you propose biological warfare on earth by suggesting engineering of a 1 child limiter virus. Re: Castrations of rapists- For your information, chemical castration of serial rapist, paedophiles, etc. are already being introduced in some nations. Just yesterday I was reading that a judge has proposed that surgical/chemical castration of rapists be made into law. Re: sterilization of offenders violating the petition - these are people who would be likely to already have 3 babies and aim for the 4th one (who would for some reason become human bullet when denied the 4th), or those going in for midterm birth (these exception, special human beings are next candidate of human bullet), or the ones knowing passing on deadly diseases to their children in spite of being advised not to go for it (last but not the least candidates for human bullet program). I come across news every now and then of couples with HIV/AIDS proudly announcing giving birth to babies after resorting to methods that have 60%-70% success rate, and I wonder, what kind of horrendous system could allow for bringing an human being to a life when pain, agony, suffering and a short life would be 30%-40% guaranteed - especially in the case where one or more of the parents themselves have suffered a lot and have been made aware of the risks? Lastly, you are mistaken when you imply that those who would not agree with the method would be my "enemy". I simply do not consider that. Then the first of my hypothetical enemies would be several of my good friends and colleagues who are against any sort of pro-active birth control policy. "There are many more wrong answers than right ones, and they are easier to find." - Michael Friedlander | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2006 |
Overpopulation is an issue that is, just as all other issues that exist in the material part of life, current and passing. The focus of the material Billy presents, which originates in and of Creation, identifies the things needed for us to evolve in the spiritual part of our lives, current and future. Some of the teachings are based on past material issues with insight into the future that past failures can be learned from. This focus is for each individual to pursue in themselves. To spend so much time trying to FIX someone else is a meaningless effort that will only result in the stagnation of your own spiritual growth and development. When you learn something it is for your own benefit if you use it in your own growth and development. You cannot learn and develop someone else. It has to be their own choise when they are ready. The present focus on development of your own spiritual nature will only benefit you and everyone else in this and future material cycles of life your spirit will experience and continue to evolve from. Fixing someone else and their differences of opinion from the knowledge you have acquired will never FIX them, so focus on yourself until they realize for themselves and ASK for help. Personally, overpopulation is something I have learned of and deal with in a personal way. I personally feel the Birth Stop Petition is no more than the someone donating to charity screaming for others to notice how great they are for caring... Keep it personal until those that are learning ask for help.... Stop trying to fix what will NEVER be in your control. -PatM | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 579 Registered: 06-2009 |
Thanks PatM for the timely reminder. "There are many more wrong answers than right ones, and they are easier to find." - Michael Friedlander | ||
Ix09 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2011 |
Below is a very good link regarding compulsory sterilization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization Please note that "Forced sterilization has been recognized as crime against humanity ... " under "the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court". The above article is part of a larger discussion on Discrimination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Discrimination In regard to the Birth Stop Petition, directly under Required Worldwide Measures it says: "This is just one possibility among many! " With this in mind, it would be irresponsible to explore other options. I stand by all my previous statements that; 1. Education should be first and foremost, as well as all inclusive for everyone. Education can start now, today, with your children, friends, and everyone you know. 2. A doctrine of exclusivity that allows only certain groups and types of people to have a child while forcing others to go without the option to have a child creates an environment of discrimination and privilege that will breed more violence beyond the good it would do for over population. 3. We, everyone on the planet, are responsible. Everyone should bear the burden of this responsibility equally. This can be done by allowing every couple to have only one child. This doesn't have to, or need be part of any regime of forced viral or chemical sterilization. Those who are unfit, or have more than one child should be held responsible, but, not to the extent of sterilization. Children of unfit parents can be given into the care of other people who will be more than happy to take an extra child. In summary, education is important and can start now. If everyone is limited to one birth per couple, then everyone shares equal responsibility as it should be where no one gets privilege over another. I apologize, if in earlier statements anyone has felt insulted, put off, or gotten offended in my use of language. I'm asking you to think, to use your beautiful wonderful minds to develop a solution where everyone profits equally while at the same time everyone shares responsibility. We, everyone on the planet, are in this together, and we, everyone on the planet, should share the same burden, responsibility, and rewards. Also, I've meditated on this subject a great deal over the last week, and find I can't support any language of selectivity and discrimination, especially as it applies to sterilization. There's a beautiful philosophy and message here, but, some parts of it, like the Birth Stop Petition in its current incarnation and propositions are broken. I cannot accept, condone, or take part in such. Should the language in the BSP be revised to exclude sterilization, and propose an all inclusive nondiscrimination solution, I would then have cause to support it. Remember, or read for yourself where it says under Required Worldwide Measures: "This is just one possibility among many!" I plead with you to use that wonderfully amazing brain of yours, come together, and make something beautiful, something with worldwide shared responsibility and benefit without building an environment of discrimination. Thank you for listening, and even debating this topic and points I've put forward. It's an important topic. I agree doing nothing is indeed bad, but, doing something just as bad falls under the old ends justify means, and I simply can't agree with some of the positions. I also agree that no one willing or open to learning will take what's given or offered until they are ready, and some people will indeed never learn nor care to. It's sad. There are many other very good points put forward. I think I'll shut up now, and will endeavor to continue reading, meditating, restrict myself from posting further for quite a while. I wish you all peace, wisdom, love, and happiness. --Matt Marquis Anything we can conceive, we should also be able to achieve, but, nothing worth having is or should be easy. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 644 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello Ix90 , I may have confused you with IP6.12x , or another number name used on this forum . It gives the impression that parts can be ordered to repair you .It makes it difficult to remember what (you) have typed . 13 3 | ||
Pitbb New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2011 |
Natural Law in action. New mysterious disease called "nodding diesease" attack children from 5 to 15. Scary stuff. Natural selection in action in overpopulated area. Population are rising very fast in Africa. Many countries double, triple or even quadruple population from 1950. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmpjWXJnkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9fSQH2L8A | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi Pitbb, I get this message from your links. The Uploader has not made this video available in your country! I am in Australia, is this censorship? Peace John | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1431 Registered: 02-2000 |
The Earth Is Full. NY TIMES article. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/08/opinion/08friedman.html?ref=opinion My Website | ||
Pitbb New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2011 |
Could be, I get this kind of message sometimes also. Im from Poland so sometimes links working in US do not work here and vice versa. Although I do not know why? You should search for links on youtube about this diesease, maybe others will be working properly on your account in Australia. Freedom is rare nowadays. | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2007 |
I do sense that more people are talking about overpopulation and a general growing realization that this could be a problem. Its a start and a snowball effect might eventuate. However there are still irresponsible politicians in Australia who wish our population to increase but just like Climate Change they may eventually see reason.The sooner the better. Peace John | ||
Pitbb New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2011 |
Yes more and more people start to recognize population problem, historically is not new, Mathus was right many many years ago, population bomb in 1970, Book (Limit to growth in 1972) and so on. Population footprints, discussion at UCL London http://www.ucl.ac.uk/popfootprints/archived-videos Its long, so its for someone who have spare time only to watch it. Good raport about food resources nowadays. We are in state of urgency. http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/growing-a-better-future-010611-en.pdf | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2007 |
A must read about climate change and overpopulation. http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/06/2011622132049568952.html | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1410 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Wisdom in Peace All members and associates of FIGU are asked to disseminate the document at this link as far and wide as possible. Each may email to a dozen or more persons, church members, social activists, Non-government-leaders, friends, strangers, as many as you can think of. You may add a personal note of appeal to read and understand the importance of reducing the global overpopulation as you may think appropriate. Time is growing shorter as the situation grows worse http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx Salome ***** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 688 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Rod ; It's time for everyone to have vision for action on this issue . This letter makes it easy for anyone to pick a party , copy the link , and mail it to them . It's a river flowing unencumbered if we only let it . Salome , Mark | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2162 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Just last week, it was made known...that Earth's population just hit the area of about 7 Billion. Can see, that they are sill way behind with their count.... Pitiful.... Edward. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2006 |
FYI, There is a page on the FIGU Switzerland website with a running total of Earth's current human population: Current Earth Population It is over 8 Billion. -PatM | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 587 Registered: 05-2008 |
PatM or anyone who may know (Christian, Indi, Scott ...) Do you know if that population running total is a preset calculated increase in Earth's population or is it actually linked to Plejaren human life-form detection technology? Bruce | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2170 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Patm.... Yes, I was aware of it being over 8 Billion. So, the Statistic Count, that was mentioned of 7 Billion, is yet quite 'off'; as we know that there are still Invisible Millions which, are not accounted for, within the not added (over) 1 Billion. Thus, they are above 1 Billion off-track, once...again! Excellent Real-time counter, there...in the link! Edward. | ||
Teesoft Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2011 |
Quote from Memo Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 06:17 am ''On the other hand he and the Plejaren have talked strongly against immigration. According to them borders must not be opened (at least not in the world as it is today). If i recall correctly Plejaren even said that immigrants that leave their country and their fellow men behind for any other reason that is not related with their safety but only to make money or to take advantage of other countryīs better conditions are cowards and traitor'' Hi Memo i moved to this section.i dont think that is 100percent correct cus i was born in Nigeria Africa with poor government, with everyone i ever know is religiously enslaved,i lost my dad some years ago the only man that could have understood me,my mum forces me to church and anytime i refuse she tell me i will never make it in life if i dont serve God,i cant find anyone who see the universe,life,E.t life form like i do, our schools here never teaches us anything beyond the Solar system in high school, there is no university in Nigeria that offer anything about astronomy so till u graduate u will never learn anything beyond the solar system except u try to learn on the internet like i do or watch Sci fy movies....just imagine i asked a friend one day what the stars are and he told me they are small partcles that surround earth. All the friends i have just dont care what i say, the care only when it comes to money materialism. Not that i dont want money cus u cant survive on this planet without it, but its not the most important thing in life.if i keep talking it will probably take me a whole day to tell you how i feel, when i look up the sky sometimes seeing light everyone including my mum thinks i'm crazy. I just feel like i'm living on an alien world or better still alien continent. I feel so depressed if not for the Billy Meier after reading everything about him. Till today i still feel i'm mistakingly born here cus of overpopulation problem, i know that might not be true but that is what i feel cus i find no one here like i'm. I have always been fastincted about robot but there is no so such course on robotics here in Nigeria, like i said if i keep writing i will never stop. I just have to leave this misery and hell location i have been trying to leave before i turned 18 and they said when i'm 18 i hope now that i'm 18 my mum can finaly find me money to get out of here! Its hell here simple. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Teesoft iīm sorry about the situation, i know how you feel. You arenīt the only one who sometimes feels out of place in this crazy world. But, honestly, i doubt that everything is so negative without anything positive. You may not see things as they are (both the good and the bad) because you lack some maturity (i remember how i saw things at your age). The thing about immigrants being traitors it wasnīt me who said it but the Plejaren. But i understand why they said it. A country is made by its men, If the most intelligent and better educated human beings of a certain place flee, then the country will stagnate. Do not only think in yourself but in what you can do for others. If you go to live to somewhere else itīs ok, itīs your life and your choice, that is called freedom. But donīt forget where you come from. You donīt have to become president or anything to change things. If you are an honest, intelligent man, your simple presence can benefit others. Salome | ||
Andres82 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 08-2011 |
Teesoft, I understand. There can be nothing more said than the way you have put it. I too know of what you speak exactly. I am 16. And feel a little out of place. But I know that I have strength in what Ive learnt, I have strength in spirit and I have strength In knowing I am not alone. But, you forget many things. You forget that you can also learn through meditation. Yes, they dont teach more than the Solar System and yes our Earth scientists still know too little. I disagree with the Plejaren on that. But they may have their reasons which are correct. But again, the planet belongs to everyone and so borders should fall down one day.. Read on meditation. Read, on Physical health. Here: http://ca.figu.org/ (this is one of the better websites) Think before you leave.. If you choose to leave, then you must. Think that you are not alone. I too share your feelings. Through out the world there are little pockets of people of whom are like you and me.. So learn all that you can, and make your decisions count. There can be no regrets. I hope to speak to you soon. Take care, Salome Andres Lyrian Spirit | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Teesoft, I agree with MemoOO's post (#512). My friend, I too understand your struggle and frustrations because I too am a human being. Remember that your frustrations are due to your focusing on the finger that is pointing to the moon rather than looking at the moon. You have a remarkable power which you are not using. This is what the Plejaren meant by "cowards are those who leave their country." They are speaking with the big picture in mind and not attacking the individual. By coward they mean that a person only seeks better living conditions...not to improve conditions. In doing so, conditions remain the same and your future incarnations will be born into the same conditions. Take responsibilities for yourself. You must be creative...use your imagination. If you have access to the internet, then you have access to all you need. Self-education is empowering. Knowledge is potential power and the application of knowledge & imagination constitutes the use of that power. Google "Online Free Self Education" and see what you find. Copy & paste this link to your browser: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-02-electricity-and-magnetism-spring-2002/ [There are other courses also that may interest you]. Get rid of that language that speaks of others (such as your mum) doing things for you or getting things done for you. So long as you speak and think this way...you will always be a child to people around you. You are mature and wise for your age...use this to your advantage by applying self responsibility to your visions, dreams and desires. Remember that you are observing a balancing act. You are observing what is not right in your town, city or country. Now, through your imagination and creativity, seek deep within yourself and slowly let ideas come to your mind and write them down. Then begin to organize them and write down the ways to make them happen. Sometimes, you may need to seek for the ways and resources to make them happen...but these will surface to your mind through creativity and being pro-active and determined. You have a remarkable power which you are not using. Salome, Eddie [7:-) |
