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    Earthling Member Post Number: 637 Registered: 05-2008 |
yeah yeah yeah , those damn zionistas ... meanwhile across the hill & the valley, islamic sects continue to kill more of their own than evil jews zionists have done throughout history ... but sshhh, everything is the jew bastards fault ... too bad hitler couldn't get the job done when he had the chance Bruce | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 07-2006 |
Some of these posts have gone way beyond what FIGU is and isn't. For those that think they have a clue and for those that are still learning please read and study FIGU_in_a_Nutshell There is a big difference between addressing a persons/groups actions as being wrong and attacking a person or group just for being a person or a member of a group. Not all can be categorized as being the same as each are an individual with their own levels of spiritual development. If those of you who have become intolerant of a people and feel free to insult them because they are different, then you still do not understand the knowledge behind the Law of Love and the realization that a piece of those you attack are a part of you just as a piece of you is a part of them. Until you do you will not acquire the wisdom gained through experiencing the natural creational laws and recommendations which is the basis behind the Teaching of the Prophets. This is what our primary mission in this lifetime is, the spiritual development of yourself, there will come a time when the members, as individuals, of these mis-guided groups and sects, make their own self realization of the truth. That time is for them to determine not you. From FIGU in a Nutshell - 15) We tolerate all secular or religious views or belief systems — but this does not mean we must align ourselves with them. Within FIGU there exist no religious, cult-like thinking or belief systems, and we do not perform cult-religious rituals. Tolerance without aligning yourself with a belief system does not mean attacking them for their mis-guided beliefs. Where is tolerance in this type of action. As in all groups and sects there are extremists in their actions should be addressed. This doesn't mean attacking someone for just being a part of a misguided group or sect. The totally misguided statement "too bad hitler couldn't get the job done when he had the chance" expresses a complete lack of understanding. This is the type of statement that starts wars and the basis behind the recommendation to pull the log out of your own eye before trying to pull the splinter out of someone else's eye. Once more I recommend reading FIGU in a nutshell to understand what we are and what we are not. If after reading this and contemplating on what it says you find this is not also what you are, then you do not belong here unless your intention is to learn how to implement the natural creational laws and recommendations into your everyday life and acquire some actual wisdom in this lifetime. PatM | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2012 |
Yep, its those dam Zionists fault, USA too. Contact Report 136 103. Especially now, it also confirms what has been said since ancient times, that the Israeli people originally never were an actual people, but that this mass of people, in ancient times, singly and alone consisted of a gigantic group of degenerate and partially even criminal elements, who during their existence on Earth at that time only incited discord, falseness and war. 104. Having come forth from the ones who were expelled, because they would not obey any order and were criminal, they assembled together in a mob in ancient times and formed the sham-people of the Hebraons, the gypsies, who in their megalomania and in selfishness and egoism, named themselves a chosen people, who wanted to take up an elevated and ruling position over all terrestrial peoples, as is indeed known to you. 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. 128. But what is still unknown to you and the Earth humans is the fact that in many revolutions and small wars the powers directly take part and commit monstrous crimes. 129. Not only that they do not submit to the world order regarding atomic regulations, and continue to conduct nuclear trials and so forth, and consequently contravene all rules and regulations, no, they also pilfer and rob the required materials by murder and manslaughter. 130. But far worse things yet are carried out through the military and through the secret service, in that they directly interfere in revolutions and wars of other peoples, and commit hundred-fold and thousand-fold murders. 131. This however, they do in the cunning and infamous manner, that everything looks as if the directly involved ones, or any sub-groups of these, are the guilty ones. 132. Thus have USAmerica and Israel already also directly interfered in the war between Iraq and Iran, in the breaking out of which they were likewise not uninvolved. 133. Secret service special commandos, chiefly in Iraq, commit criminal and war-criminal acts and undertakings, as also Israeli bombers openly bombard principal Iraqi positions, cities and atomic and oil centers, with the assumption that it would not be noticed that this concerns their military interference and their murderous cunning. | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2011 |
Bruce, did you ever fight in any wars in this lifetime of yours? And if yes or no, you obviously still have a lot to learn about reality! "Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 12-2009 |
0,http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2012/nr-68/mitt-romney?page=0,0 In this contact Ptaah calls Mitt Romney a unpredictable, unscrupulous, ice cold power hungry human who is a calculating psychopath, who is driven by a lust for power and does not possess any sympathy for his fellow human beings. -If he wins we're in trouble. Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 09-2011 |
Bruce, just because I didn't criticize all parties equally doesn't mean everyone else is blameless. However, it is the Zionists who are pushing for WW3, not so much some radical underground Muslim group who merely wants to blow up people to make a political statement. These religious conflicts will not stop until there are no more Jews, no more Muslims, no more Christians, no more 'God' in whose name we fight to manipulate each other. Oh, and when we stop fighting for religious reasons, we will still fight for racial reasons, and even when that ends we will still fight for ideological reasons. At some point we will learn enough that we can all agree. Until then, yes I point out the warmongering Zionists: just because they are poor maligned Jewish folk doesn't mean they are blameless of causing so much stress, and potentially World War 3. Every large group of people in history has had its fair share of victimization, but no else is constantly waving that around as indemnification from criticism. This truth is the truth because of how politically incorrect it is. When choosing one religion over another, I choose neither. Life | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 11-2008 |
Patm, Could you please, if possible answer the PM that I had sent you on Myspace? Corey, Thank you for the link about Mitt Romney. But in my opinion it's a pity that Ptaah didn't discuss the other presidential candidate Ron Paul even though his chances of becoming president are slim. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 544 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Please consider: 131. At that time, and also even later, it will be America, Russia and = China, that very strongly push for enslaving world domination, so it = will not be at a later point in time the Jewish Zionists, as many people = presume, who sharpen their blood sword through mass-murdering acts of = violence and with the help of the Christian religion, to subjugate the = Earth, rather smaller powers and various malignant sects, whereby one = such really malignant one leads back to a certain Ron Hubbard. See: = http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part= _1 | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 07-2009 |
Earthling, you don't know what your talking about in your 637 post. Your wrong and you need to study the Meier material more. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 07-2009 |
Earthling, I think I sounded a bit harsh to you before, sorry about that. I also didn't mean to sound as though I knew more about the Meier material then you (or for that matter anyone else) as I haven't read (or digested) all the english material yet. The Jews since ancient times till now have always incited in falsness, trouble and war. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 09-2011 |
It looks like I re-opened a can o' worms. The point of my original statement is that Israel may decide to NOT attack Iran since its backing for such a war has eroded, and it would probably horribly lose in a one-on-one fight. Ya know, to politely discuss war like this is almost beyond comprehension to me. War is not just some silly contest. War is the destruction of so many people's lives, so much misery that continues on for generations, so much environmental devastation and permanent poisoning of the landscape, so much loss of culture and history, so much distrust and betrayal. War is the worst endeavor we have yet devised to occupy ourselves with. There is so much to lose in war, and so much to gain without it, so why did we promote a war with Iran? Hopefully, beyond all other considerations, we have already moved beyond promoting this war any longer. Let us move beyond preemptive war to preemptive peace. As an exercise, imagine a progressive peace between Iran and the Western World. What would that look like? Life | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 638 Registered: 05-2008 |
Michael, I disagree. I do not think the Zionists "are pushing for WW3." Their actions may indeed contribute to such an outcome, if that's what you meant, but to say that their intent is WW3, I disagree. The problem with the Jew Bastards aka Zionista Piigs is since they had been threatened with extinction in the imaginary holocaust, that they will not go down again like sheep to the ovens & gas chambers (that didn't exist) So, they may have gone a bit in the other direction, from being passive sheep led to an (imaginary) slaughter, to being a bit offensive, while calling it defense; and as such they are a bit proactive regarding neighboring threats (Iran in this case). Well, the Plejaren did say that 4million plus Jews were murdered at German hands, so maybe it wasn't imaginary?? now I'm confused  Surely they should just ignore Iran's peace-loving overtures to the loving tune that 'Israel should be wiped off the map' & that they also have nuclear weapons or are most certainly developing them, therefore provoking the Zionistas with such soothing remarks & kisses blown across desert sands. I can see how the whole situation is the warmongering Zionists fault as opposed to the peace-loving Iranian President or should I say dictator.? and the peace loving Syrian President/dictator, who is to busy to worry about Zionists as he is currently occupied spilling his own citizens blood, as also happens in Egypt, Iraq, Libya, etc and so on and so forth. ============================================ Bronzedesk - I was being ironisch gemeint & no I have not fought in any national wars in this lifetime. Bruce | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 12-2009 |
Earthling, The German concentration camps of WWII were not imaginary they were real. My immediate family toured some of the camps (including Auschwitz-Birkenau) a few years ago while on holiday in Germany. They even had some of my ancestors, the Polish people, in those camps working as slaves on rockets so they (the Germans) could bomb London. The people in the middle east, including the Jews, are your Mitmensch (fellow human beings) so if you want to follow the spirit teaching, then you have to learn a more neutral positive stance out of love to see them. If you want to distance yourself from the brutal dictatorships of Iran and Syria, or like in Afghanistan where they Taliban will throw battery acid into the eyes of a little girl who went to school so she could learn, so now she's blind, then that's fine but you have to see the everyday regular people as your Mitmensch. The people of the middle east have a lot of growing up to do, but so does every country. Although riddled with religious fanaticism, the people of the middle east are not standing for dictatorships any more and want freedom (Arab spring). I agree that you should see Patm's posting about reading the pamphlet "FIGU in a nutshell" and pay special attention to point 15. If war breaks out in Iran (who is not peace loving), it will be both Iran and Israels fault. From the Iranian perspective, why should Israel have nuclear weapons and be in violation of the Non-Proliferation treaty of 1968 when they can't? No one holds Israel accountable for their nuclear weapons, so it infuriates them the world is holding them accountable for theirs, so they are pursuing nuclear weapons. Both sides are religious fanatics, and war mongers to the core. War is killing in degeneracy and a violation of the laws and recommendations of Creation and Israel wants war, (I believe the link Micheal Horn posted) they are in violation of those laws and recommendations and so will Iran for partaking in the shadow war with Israel the last few years and well as overall "sabre-rattling". Plus there is a chance then the US, Russia, and China will get involved which is more conflict and killing in degeneracy and thus the open possibility of the long dreaded wwIII... Michael, ex-spook director Leon Panetta said on the news that Israel has not made up it's mind to attack Iran yet, but if they do it will likely be in a year which puts them either in Barack's second term, or Mitt's first term. If Mitt Romney is president unfortunately Israel will have the US and possibly NATO support they seek. I don't know if you can read German, but if you can see the link I posted from the Bulletin about Mitt Romney, where the Plejaren call him a psychopath and give the 70 qualities of a psychopath. hopefully peace prevails. Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 05-2008 |
Dzien dobre Corey, regarding imaginary evil events of WW2; I am only reiterating the Iranian Presidents oft-stated viewpoint, probably in part to enrage his mitmenschen across the desert sands. I have also 'toured' a death camp in Poland (Majdanek) and my first impression upon seeing it off in the distance was that it was of the blackest evil. And upon closer inspection, even more so. They were simply built with one thing in mind, to efficiently kill as many humans as possible in the shortest amount of time - hence the name 'death camps'. And you get my gist - to exclusively & constantly blame one side while excluding and excusing the other is irrational and illogical. Do widzenia, Bruce | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2012 |
'Israel should be wiped off the map' Earthling, the President of Iran never said that. He said he wants to wipe Zionism off the face of the map. That was first twisted around by Zionists as soon as it was said and then our western world jewish majority controlled media continued with the same lie. It was a lie. Israel must be wiped off the map - British MP George Galloway responds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnysPL9I47o | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2012 |
"I can see how the whole situation is the warmongering Zionists fault as opposed to the peace-loving Iranian President or should I say dictator.?" Earthling, the Iranian President is not a dictator and is not like other Presidents in the region. Lifestyle of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTL_WheN-rE phil | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2012 |
" If you want to distance yourself from the brutal dictatorships of Iran" Corey, how do you know that? Do you have proof? Is this mentioned somewhere in the Contact Notes? I disagree with this statement. | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2012 |
"If war breaks out in Iran (who is not peace loving), it will be both Iran and Israels fault." I disagree. Iran is not a war mongering nation. Apart from the Iran\Iraq war (which Iraq instigated) Iran has never attacked another country in over 300 years where as Israel has done so many times. Israel is the warmongering nation and not Iran. If a war starts between both of them it will be entirely Israel's fault. And why should Israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons (illegally I might add) and not Iran, a nation that has never attacked another country? George Galloway: "If I was Iran, I'd get Nuclear Weapons" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJpN08Ufqg MP George Galloway talks about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUuQ_yu2P5c | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 640 Registered: 05-2008 |
Skyrim Phil, My single point regarding this whole latest thread, is that this is completely a two-sided affair. To solely blame the Jews or more specifically Zionists, for the next world fire, is passe, demonstrates lazy thinking, gullibleness for age-old conspiracy theories, etc. However, upon further checking, you are correct. Ahmadinejad was likely poorly translated by those eager to point the finger and bring world opinion over to their side. However, he is far from being a good guy as in more recent news - more overtures of peace blown across the deserts sands: http://www.freep.com/article/20120818/NEWS07/308180089/Iranian-president-calls-Israel-an-insult-to-all-humanity- "TEHRAN, Iran -- Israel's existence is an "insult to all humanity," Iran's president said Friday" "The Iranian president described the Holocaust, when 6 million Jews were killed by German Nazis and their collaborators during World War II, as a "myth."" =============================== Billy also talks about mutual hate, mutual responsibility, not just one sides fault. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_430 Billy And that entire matter naturally further advances hate on both sides. Also the hate of Israel by the Arabs of all Arabic and other Islamic countries grows naturally without bounds, which ultimately can lead to Israel yet still being attacked by united Arabic armed forces and razed to the ground. I can thereby vividly imagine that in the first position the Iranian State President, Ahmadinejad, will grasp the word in regard to this and let loose corresponding bating tirades in order to fight Israel and destroy it. His bating is indeed known, and his hate-talk that Israel should be erased has carried evil fruit in some places, as you told me, when I recently asked you about that. Ptaah Unfortunately that is really so. ============================================== http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6715.html Hello Can it be said of the Iran,if they are working towards peace, as they have said ,or are they heading towards war/prophecys that stem from there religion and delusional thinking? Sadly even our news here in the U.S sets the stage in the Middle East for the biblical armagadon nonsense. Thank You Answer President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was a leading terrorist during the hostage crisis during the eighties, certainly is no peace seeker, and he and other persons in the top circles of Iran want to use nuclear power for warlike reasons. Bruce | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2009 |
Skyrim, I didn't have to read the contact reports I witnessed the brutal crackdown on Iran, the "green revolution" which predated the Arab Spring when Ahmadinejad cheated (which was confirmed in a bulletin) where Billy also stated Ahmadinejad is responsible for trying to hostily preserve the false religious "status quo" of his country. He oppresses the free will of his people- he's a dictator. Don't forget the Iran/Iraq war (although Iran was attacked) a million dead between both sides which is too many for Iran to just have simply been playing "defense". Both Israel and Iran (by supporting Hezbollah among other things) would both be responsible for any upcoming war- while both claiming self defense, not just Israel, which puts them both in violation of laws and recommendations of Creation, and both would be guilty of killing out of degeneracy. Earthling's post sums up the rest. Being so pro Iran means you just believe in another false religious fanatical government that acts out of Gewalt, and oppresses the will of it's people. That was my point, why should Israel have nuclear weapons illeagely which infuriates Iran. Iran has threatened several times to withdraw it's ratification of the NPTreaty because no one holds Israel accountable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Green_Movement http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/2012/06/viewpoint-three-years-in-is-irans-green-revolution-still-going-34727/ http://www.figu.org/ch/search/node/Iran (pick your poison). Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Sarah Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 10-2011 |
May I ask, why we are justifying a war with Iran? I'd really like to talk about what's actually in the figu notes again! Though if your not trying to justify a war with Iran, then forgive me. Even if they had a nuclear weapon, there is no reason we should have to go to war with them. I'm still trying to find a place to find the English figu notes. Is there any information in the figu bulletins? Cause I've read every contact note available on the future of mankind.D: | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2012 |
Well, I never would have believed Ahmadinejad had that mindset unless it was mentioned in the contact notes. But he shouldn't be put in the same basket as others like Israel's or USA's warmongers because there is no comparision to them. I also feel the hatred towards Israel by the Arabs is warranted. They deserve that hatred. The law of cause and effect is at play here. "Answer President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was a leading terrorist during the hostage crisis during the eighties, certainly is no peace seeker, and he and other persons in the top circles of Iran want to use nuclear power for warlike reasons." The reason for this attitude is based on self defense. You can't blame them for this. If a war ever erupts between Israel and Iran, its still going to be Israel's fault because it is the aggressor in all of this and is doing all the threatening about attacking Iran. Self defense. If a country like China was threatening to nuke Israel or the USA (and they didn't have nukes) they wouldn't stand for it at all. They would immediately start producing nukes and no one would say anything because it would be seen as self defense. But not if it's Iran. Double standards. phil | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 09-2011 |
FYI Bruce (Earthling), in case you weren't aware, you twisted my words around, changed the theme of what I was saying to suit your purpose. In your rushed sarcasm you even added statements I do not mean and inferred that I am antisemitic. You have my attention. I don't forget that the Iranians also need to back down from their brinksmanship. But it is the Zionists who are gunning for war, and trying to bring everyone else in on it no matter that a global war might result. There is a better way to handle this conflict of interests - slowly, gently, ethically, and without war. For such a peace-mongering project to work it is party that is most pushing for war that most needs to give up their nuclear bargaining chips, and that is the Israeli's. Life |
