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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 2010 Registered: 12-1999 |
LTH, No sweat, it's fine with me. Regarding the Chemtrails, well if anything else the strange flight patterns, 90 degree turns, S Patterns, X's, extreme rates of climb, many times no discernable sounds...I could name many other factors...I think I have a handle on the greenhouse effect, but this seems to me at least, something different than that..I don't feel comfortable being at odds with the information presented by the Plejarens, and would like to believe what has been stated by them, but I don't have an answer which suits my curiosity to the degree I am satisfied and accept their explanation as the truth...of course I reserve the right to be entirely wrong  Good talking with you again Scott (Message edited by scott on July 19, 2010) | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2010 |
> The one in the center was explained in another post by me and the other > things are not all nozzles. The are the actuator fairings for the ailerons > etc. | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2010 |
> Hello again Scott, I grew up near a Naval air base and these kinds of > flight patterns were normal in their practice sessions. What sorts of > planes did you see doing these extreme sorts of patterns? If you saw > airliner style aircraft then I would agree with you that is very strange! > LOL!!! | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Scott, after finding out years ago that they no longer spray the clouds, I just found out that they do. In western Canada it is the insurance (hail & crop) companies who are financing the spraying of silver iodide. The farmers are pissed as it also decreases the amount of rain to the east of the spraying. They are trying to unite themselves to stop this practise. I'm not exactly sure what silver iodide does to the atmosphere. Also you talk about weird flight patterns. We are set to purchase the F35 fighter jets (Lockheed) and those babies can hover and move at any angle. Also the UK just released news of their new unmanned drones. These had to be tested somewhere.... http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTech/20100716/combat-plane-unmanned-100717/ (Message edited by scott on July 21, 2010) "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2012 Registered: 12-1999 |
Justsayno, From my perspective, I don't believe what are considered to be Chemtrails, fall into the same category as spraying clouds to increase or decrease the production of rain. I have posted images on this forum what I consider to be something else than contrails. You can do a search on the web for many more. Again, I could be entirely wrong in my assumptions.... | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 409 Registered: 06-2009 |
Silver iodide, when seeded to cloud cover, force cloud condensation, and is often used to control precipitation. Thrust-vectoring aircraft can produce vertical contrails and over time any contrail can acquire strange shapes owing to difference in wind speed and direction at altitude. Salome. Suv | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 514 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Thomas , I think you are bringing the mystery of the Chemtrails to a close with your technical explanations . Cheers , Mark | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2010 |
No worries Mark but don't take my word for anything. I just call it like I see it and I do make serious mistakes sometimes :-) Take care and keep on making the music! Thomas | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Suv, thanks for that, the clouds rain out heavier and sooner to stop the build up of hail. I've read some reports of how dangerous this chemical is to humans, but am still unsure how it affects the atmosphere, long term. Is it poking holes in our ozone? "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Scott, the second time I read that contact report I got a whole different spin on it. It was like Billy was teasing us, calling the people on figu a bunch of conspiracy theorists. I thought of you when I came across this article today. It also makes the HAARP - Raytheon connection, which I hadn't realized before. Raytheon has a plant in Calgary, and the cloud seeding was paid for by the insurance companies. Also makes sense as to the change in radar images during the meteorite of nov. 20, 2008. Before they changed it (and I looked at it about 5 times) it showed a cloud buildup and burst over the cold lake weapons range. With a shoot of red moving in the same direction and at the same time as the meteor which I witnessed. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20369 "The report notes that “the proposed scenario by the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] in 2001 is identical to the claims” in Hughes Aircraft’s 1991 patent. Hughes was acquired by Raytheon, a private defense contractor, in 1997, “the same company that acquired E-systems and the HAARP contract.” "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Ymmit1988 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2009 |
It's actually in the news...it's still a conspiracy though don't worry. http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFTOE69K02U20101021 U.N. urged to freeze climate geo-engineering project * Cloud whitening, solar reflectors, ocean seeding studied * Environmentalists say such schemes are unproven, risky * Advocates say projects could help fight global warming By Chisa Fujioka NAGOYA, Japan, Oct 21 (Reuters) - The United Nations should impose a moratorium on "geo-engineering" projects such as artificial volcanoes and vast cloud-seeding schemes to fight climate change, green groups say, fearing they could harm nature and mankind. The risks were too great because the impacts of manipulating nature on a vast scale were not fully known, the groups said at a major U.N. meeting in Japan aimed at combatting increasing losses of plant and animal species. Envoys from nearly 200 countries are gathered in Nagoya, Japan, to agree targets to fight the destruction of forests, rivers and coral reefs that provide resources and services central to livelihoods and economies. A major cause for the rapid losses in nature is climate change, the United Nations says, raising the urgency for the world to do whatever it can to curb global warming and prevent extreme droughts, floods and rising sea levels. Some countries regard geo-engineering projects costing billions of dollars as a way to control climate change by cutting the amount of sunlight hitting the earth or soaking up excess greenhouse gas emissions, particularly carbon dioxide. "It's absolutely inappropriate for a handful of governments in industrialised countries to make a decision to try geo-engineering without the approval of all the world's support," Pat Mooney, from Canada-headquartered advocacy organisation ETC Group, told Reuters on the sidelines of the Oct. 18-29 meeting. "They shouldn't proceed with real-life, in-the-environment experimentation or the deployment of any geo-engineering until there is a consensus in the United Nations that this is okay." <^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Take-a-look on biodiversity: [ID:nSGE68T06H] Factbox on main issues at Nagoya talks [ID:nTOE69D07L] Factbox on TEEB report on valuing nature [ID:nSGE69J0D5] UN plan to protect animals, plants by 2020 [ID:nLDE68F0JL] Graphic on ocean fertilisation link.reuters.com/cam39p ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> Some conservation groups say geo-engineering is a way for some governments and companies to get out of taking steps to slash planet-warming emissions. The U.N. climate panel says a review of geo-engineering will be part of its next major report in 2013. SOLAR REFLECTORS Some of the geo-engineering schemes proposed include: -- Ocean fertilisation. Large areas are sprinkled with iron or other nutrients to artificially spur growth of phytoplankton, which soak up carbon dioxide. But this could trigger harmful algal blooms, soak up nutrients and kill fish and other animals. -- Spray seawater into the atmosphere to increase the reflectivity and condensation of clouds so they bounce more sunlight back into space. -- Placing trillions of tiny solar reflectors out in space to cut the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth. -- Artificial volcanoes. Tiny sulphate particles or other materials are released into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight, simulating the effect of a major volcanic eruption. -- Carbon capture and storage. Supported by a number of governments and involves capturing CO2 from power stations, refineries and natural gas wells and pumping it deep underground. Mooney said the U.N. Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) should expand its de-facto moratorium on ocean fertilisation agreed in 2008 to all geo-engineering, although the proposal was resisted by some countries, including Canada, earlier this year. Canada said in Nagoya that it would work with the CBD. "Canada was simply concerned about the lack of clarity on definitions including what activities are included in 'geo-engineering'," Cynthia Wright, head of the delegation, said in an email response. "Canada shares concerns of the international community about potential negative impacts of geo-engineering on biodiversity and is willing to work with other CBD Parties to avoid these impacts," she said. Environmentalists said geo-engineering went against the spirit of the Nagoya talks, which aims to set new targets for 2020 to protect nature, such as setting up more land and marine protected areas, cutting pollution and managing fishing. "We are certainly in favour of more (geo-engineering) research, as in all fields, but not any implementation for the time being because it's too dangerous. We don't know what the effects can be," said Francois Simard of conservation group IUCN. "Improving nature conservation is what we should do in order to fight climate change, not trying to change nature." (Reporting by Chisa Fujioka; Editing by David Fogarty) http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFTOE69K02U20101021 | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 04-2008 |
Crazy things at Denver International Airport, something about poison gas. The "conspiracy" is so in your face. Denver Airport Conspiracy Theory: A Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs OPERATION TROJAN HORSE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht_jNpN1sg&feature=related Tien | ||
Burninsh Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2010 |
Ok watch this this is interesting ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfMS_S0_zg (Message edited by scott on January 21, 2011) | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 841 Registered: 07-2004 |
We should be clear in our understanding of anyone claiming to be Pleiadian, they are not being truthful. Previously, I have listened to this woman's claims, and in my opinion, she is best described as a charlatan. Now she claims she's a physicists? Since we have enough good/true information to sift through here, do we really need a link to poor/false information? Burnish, could you help me in understanding your reasons for wanting to be a part of this forum? I'm having difficulty in seeing your inputs as beneficial, in any sort of way. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 596 Registered: 10-2008 |
That woman is a pleiedian contactee like I am agent 008 of her majesty's secret service . | ||
Burninsh Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2010 |
>Kingman< Yeah I noticed that she is not normal to say the least. I was doing research on bird death over the world that happened lately, and run across this video. Just thought it would be funny to show it. sorry =) | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Burninsh, My friend, permit me to share the following personal experience with you. In my initial introduction to the Teachings and everything else related to Billy Meier and his mission along with the Plejarens, there were certain things in which I was very mistaken, in knowledge and understanding, due to discussions with religious 'spiritual' people (I had been seeking understanding regarding spirituality and things of the spirit throughout my life). Once I got many of my questions answered and mysteries solved by the knowledge contained; I then have gone on a very exciting journey searching through the material and have grown in ways which all my previous discussions with priests/clergy combined could never match. That has opened up the realization of the enormous and vast amount of exciting information; especially relating to spirit, which must be studied, analyzed, understood and embodied (wisdom acquired). (?) Would it not be wise to concentrate our limited time on earth, energy and resources, to concentrate our efforts into the pure knowledge? Our life span here is very short, no? This is the heralding time of the complete, pure and unadulterated, written and accessible to all, Spirit pertaining and related Teachings. Your thoughts my friend. Welcome and greetings. Peace be with you; Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Burninsh Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2010 |
>Eddieamartin< Well you are pointing finger on my weakness. On spiritual level I am complete 0. Because I am atheist viewing humans as biomechanical beings not greater than animals. How ever there are lots of missing links in science, at the very basis of human existence. That could be explained with some sort of coded information in energy form in another dimension. But it’s hard to push yourself learn things that you cannot see or touch. I mean when i do my daily physical workout I see results. But educating yourself spiritually has no or little effect on your daily life, because its mostly based on interaction between human beings, and everyone is on different level, but the 0 level works always and sadly rules the world. How ever, I feel that I have to shut up my dumb face and look into that field. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 575 Registered: 01-2004 |
Burninsh, You speak like someone who only heard a name and rumors about a country, assuming things without ever visiting this country, exploring it and seeing it for yourself. You're not a complete 0, because your obviously here on this forum, at least at an unconscious level seeking answers. My advice, start to visit this country, start exploring and find answers, they are there in yourself. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Burninsh, hehe, I really enjoyed your post my friend. I feel you may have a good sense of humor. Your last sentence brought a chuckle and we all need a moment or two of happiness in life. One of my martial arts teachers thinks identical to you in regards to 'viewing humans as biochemical beings.' I suppose that on a biological level we can readily see what our physical composition is and begin to find the evidence of Creation and its related information regarding our biological design and purpose. From the nature perspective we can perhaps have a means to analyze and make additional discoveries that we may not be aware of or that we have not contemplated. That of course would explain our physicality. What has always intrigued me was that part of us that animates the body. Also, for example, my late wife and her father were able to perceive each others thoughts while she was here in the U.S. and he was in Brazil. Have you heard of people like this? Never the less, you're right about "How ever, I feel that I have to shut up my dumb face and look into that field" since it does deal with the other side of the coin. Your mathematical (logical) and scientific way of thinking may help you with interesting cognition when you delve into the analysis of the spirit teachings. Share your cognition when you get them from your analysis as we can all learn from each other. Salome my friend, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Burnish ; You have found a group of people who don't mind helping you to understand some basic things about spiritual insight ; that's good ! Previously you had posted some very negative comments , emotionally , and I know that you did not intend to try to persuade anyone here to that way of thinking , so if you agree to stop that and come back next time with an open eye , probably the mind can expand just enough to see things that you didn't before . The beauty of meditation is that ideas will come to you seemingly out of nowhere , but that's not accurate ; the ideas come from you , buried deep within your subconsciousness . So ,Burnish ,I'm glad you came to this point .In some things I am a good example of someone who can say " If I can do it , anyone can ". And that's the idea , to start somewhere , even if you have no clue . The clues build on other sub-clues , inklings and fragments of inspirations . Cheers , Mark | ||
Sarah Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2011 |
I'm a little confused on the color they would have to be to qualify, and what Altitude. I've seen several chemtrails over my home in Tennessee, and over Monteagle mountain. They were white, and criss crossing. | ||
Sarah Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2011 |
weird timing, so now I have some weird flu like symptoms, and the worst sore throat I ever had. I hoep its not related to the sprays from earlier.D: |
