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Mac
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 04:37 pm: | 
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Here's a portion of the answer I found but the memory info belongs elsewhere. I'll post it up when I find it. Then I'll disappear! :D
"............Btw: Animals and other creatures as well as plants also have dreams; everything that has kind of a consciousness has "Traumvorgänge" (dream processes), but of course in entirely different forms than human beings." |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 07:05 am: |
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It has been said, that if all people would decide to distribute worth of animal food they spend to feed/dress/nourish/cure their pets - the problem of starvation could be greatly improved, or money could be designated to any of noble programs such as: help for underdeveloped countries, renewable energy research, disaster response etc, etc, etc. The question now rises: can we live at the moment being -without pets? What about old people, lonely people, sick people? Is having a pet an answer to loneliness?
In Japan f.e. are quite popular, places, where you can have tee/coffee and...play with an animal while you're there - a cat - since there are some 30 of them inside! These are fed by restaurant scrap food or similar discarded in huge quantities as waste.
Can same style places be opened with other species we keep in our households?
So then animal friendly environment could be maintained in more rational proportion say: not 1000 animals per 3000 people (in the households! not free on the streets!As deducted from http://www.aspca.org/about-us/faq/pet-statistics.aspx), but 300 animals for 6000 people or more?
Should we,therefore, take pets back to the adoption places with highly enforced population control and carry on using "animal restaurants"?
Or eradication of animals is inevitable due to the diseases they carry/transfer?
Option last : just leave it as is.
Salome |
Edward
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Post Number: 2484
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 01:42 am: |
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Hi Ferbon...
In the first place, the Plejarans did mention that we NOT take animals into
our living quarters/environment, etc. Animals, pets, bring all sorts of
undetectable diseases into our environment, like parasites, and go so on.
Christian (F), mentioned a while back, that MILLIONS of people DIE due to the
above mentioned CAUSE! WITHOUT, them NOT even knowing this: IS THE Cause.... [This has always been my take, also...]
Further more, Ptaah/Quetzal once mentioned that man of Earth feed their pets
better than their fellowman!; eg.: certain (canned) Pet Foods, are better in
quality and nutrition...than, what is giving to Third World countries.
And further, animals/pets, are being 'deprived' from their (Freedom) ways of
living, as NATURAL creators of Creation. Due to, say, Horse races, and other
Horse sports, and like-wise with all the other animals that fall in the pets
and so-called sports categories(: Criminal Sports, I would call it....).
Not to forget: people try to make their pet an 'extension'...of themselves!!
By, dressing them up, giving them another color, etc!!
POOR animal, I would say....; I think, the Plejarans would agree!!
Here, in Holland, many have the bad habit of just leaving their dogs or cats,
or other animals, in the woods, to die!! When/before they go on vacation or
are just fed-up with their pets! Now, ain't that something!?
Thus, the Plejarans have a point, here. Which really, should be taken into
consideration!!
There are other options for people's loneliness, and whatever! Mingle them
with their fellowman; and, create bonds of friendship, etc.
Now, the VERY DOWN SIDE, of pets, say, cats or dogs, this investigation
really happened(, here in Holland): It was advertised, that individuals whom
had Animal SEX, make contact with so-and-so, and explain their experience.
What is the case: Many females as well as males reacted. The case with the
both was, that at a very young age of about 6-7 years old the were given a
pet cat or dog. As they grew older, say, 9-11, they interacted sexually with
their pet! Child innocence, one might say, but, this, from that moment on,
the child up to their adult age was/is addicted to animal sex! With their pet
or others.
The mentioned individuals made clear, that parents: please, do not give your
child a pet cat or dog, at that very young age. Best, would be when they are
'reasonable' old enough to know what a pet is and how to get along with it.
Some of these individuals have been in therapy; some with positive results
and some not.
Thus, the just above mentioned aspects are also to be taken into
consideration, no?
WE, have allot....to THINK...about! [Some of you out there, may already have
read what the Plejarans have said concerning Criminal Animal Sex and other
sodomy, etc. First think that comes to mind: Humans, interacting with long
tailed monkeys within the (male) homosexual gender, which resulted into AIDS;
is just a small example....]
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2491
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 01:53 am: |
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Hi All...
A spellcheck error: as NATURAL creators of Creation.
It should be: as NATURAL creatures of Creation.
But, I think some of you could think/see beyond my mistake....
Apologies....
Edward. |
Quest
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 09:01 am: |
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hi edward,
your submmision is nothing but the absolute truth. thanks, and be well. |
Acriasis
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 09:44 pm: |
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Hello all,
This is a thought I had during a time spent by myself in the forest.
Life can be quite beautiful if you actually stop and observe your surroundings. There is infinite beauty everywhere that has an unconditional love surrounding it. You feel this love from your head to your toe. It is not a "touchy", "feely", kind of love, it is rather an infinite creational type of love that dwells within all that is created, even within yourself. If you are too "caught up", in the things of the material life, you might pass up a chance to feel the beauty within your surroundings. For a person following the laws of Creation, solitude at times within nature can be very important, for in this one can seek out his/her inner thoughts knowing that they are theirs and not the vibration of someone else's thoughts. There in nature one can focus on the natural world and the infinite beauty of Creation all around, in a place that demands nothing from him/her. All plants and animals have their place to reside and rest in truth, and the natural world demands nothing from a person in harmony with his/her surroundings. This solitude ultimately helps a creational being to physically and mentally become one with his/her surroundings and to feel the love of Creation all around through the overall creative influence surrounding the environment and through meditation/focusing practices.
Not many people pay attention to the trees in the forest when they are walking through it, they usually only want the reason they are there. They hunt animals, catch fish, take pictures, collect pieces of wood or rock, and some even destroy the forest by removing trees or "prescribing" a forest fire, all the while an entity that cannot speak is hurting.
Trees are important to the human on a planet he/she lives on. They produce the oxygen necessary for life on his planet, they produce shelter for himself as well as for all creatures big and small, and at certain times of the year, certain types of trees produce the most beautiful, vibrant, colors imaginable. The Creation is a part of all things including the beautiful things of life, for Creation is always present and infinitely beautiful as is the life within all things even as a fragment within the human himself, as his spirit.
Enjoy the natural world around you, for there is much that is hidden that will be known to you, if you are paying attention, as you evolve on this journey called life. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2551
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 12:24 am: |
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Hi Acriasis...
Excellently spoken!
I share with you the same, but....alas, MAN...destroying most of the Beauty
of Nature and what she has to offer, us.
Like Jmmanuel once mentioned, in the sense, that where MAN wonders..he will
bring destruction to Nature.
We humans should 'take care' of Nature as intended, by Creation....and NOT
destroy it as it is becoming quite a reality, alas.
Global Overpopulation?
Nahhhh, NOT an excuses, for me.
MAN, should resolve that problematique of course, but, governments just seem
to let it go bye, without even noticing it.
Here, in Holland, they had a very good attitude towards the country being
overpopulated: They build flats/apartments...UP. So, you can house many
families. But, this is an aspect of the past, alas: now, much Nature is being
destroyed just to attain...housing for families...next to each other(door-
to-door).
And, now they are 'draining' parts of oceans to attain land...another process
AGAINST...Nature! A True attack on Mother Nature! Thus, once again,
obtaining...land in a quite unnaturally way. Alas, for Nature.
And, now, even, certain politicians want to give the land back to the
oceans(; which was once ocean and acquired as farm land)...and you have
people protesting! Can you imagine!? Now, people NOT agreeing on that.
Yes, it has become quite a 'confused' world here in lil'l old Holland!
Edward. |
Marbar
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Post Number: 231
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 05:13 pm: |
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This is a good example of how overpopulation is destroying natural springs:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/florida-springs-in-enviro_n_2193378.html
http://www.theledger.com/article/20121124/NEWS/121129635 |
Edward
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Post Number: 2604
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 03:35 am: |
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Hi Marbar....
Yeah: Terrible!!
And, Florida being quite a RICH state! Many Millionaires living there,
actors, and what not!
Seems, those populations are making a Babylon...out of that state! Just,
living as they please without any attention to the destruction of NATURE.
Edward. |
Lemontree
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 12:59 pm: |
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How did spirit energy come up with the idea of a tree or a fruit (or anything else for that matter)?
Meier doesn't say anything about its "powers/abilities" and what it really is right? All I know is that's it invisible and not material and it can be fine or finer, how can something like that create or even imagine a universe? Or maybe the universe all happened by chance like a chemist mixing stuff together and something new was formed (that was maybe what Absolute Absolutum (which is spirit energy too) did)?
I'm just curious I know. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 242
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 07:30 pm: |
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I haven't read this is in the Meier material, but it seems to me that the universal morphic fields that influence the development of various living forms themselves develop over time and repetition. When a new form works well, it adds to a morphic imprint. Over the course of time and subsequent evolutionary situations, the forms that result may be increasingly inclined to fall into emulation of what's gone before. That the universe develops solutional grooves may explain why it doesn't last forever.
This adds a new perspective to the term "ontology recapitulate phylogeny".
Life
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 628
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 09:53 am: |
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Hi Michael,
Billy did confirm the validity of Rupert Sheldrake and his theory of morphic fields and morphic resonance in one of his bulletins years ago.
Regards
Bob |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 243
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 10:01 am: |
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Thanks Bob. Do you have a reference handy?
To be specific, it was the development of morphic fields which I was trying to emphasize. What is the process by which they come into play? Perhaps this is in the Meier material?
Life
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 630
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:34 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
It appeared in FIGU Bulletin 43 dated May, 2003. Gaiaguys did an English translation of an excerpt from it which you can find here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sheldrake.htm
I think there may have been further discussion about it somewhere but I would be hard pressed to remember exactly.
Regards
Bob |
Acriasis
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:01 pm: |
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Not to interfere or interrupt the current conversation/topic but these two links may be helpful about 'morphic fields'. Both links also have further suggested reading at the bottom of the page, here they are:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_43
and also
http://theyfly.com/gaia/meier.sheldrake.htm
Saalome,
Marcus
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True oneness and true being are found where nothing is demanded of you, in a place where people do not dwell, within the infinitely beautiful natural world. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 245
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 - 07:56 am: |
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Thanks for the links, y'all.
My read of what Herr Meier said here is this:
1. Connective communication among life is a universal creational law, whether by overt connections, such as touch, or through more subtle means, such as tapping into the collective knowing. (Perhaps this is one of the prerequisites for a perspective's consciousness to be deemed relatively living, to be able to attain some level of collective/connective communication.)
2. This collective knowing influences how a given lifeform manifests its body. To me, this seems to emphasize both the Lamarckian view of evolution and the Darwinian model, as if they are not mutually exclusive.
Regarding Sheldrake's supposition that the physical laws of nature are mutable, this is something I have also wondered about. Since the waveforms of gravity can be artificially altered, can also physical Pi? Just changing the shape of 'spherical' in set quanta of space would allow many other physical properties to also be manipulated. Anyway, that's just conjecture fer now.
Life
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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 539
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 07:53 am: |
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CR 544, 2012
Ptaah:
This is actually the case, because small populations of the hominid Gigantopithecus giganteus, as they are called in terrestrial palaeontology, survived in northern India, Pakistan, Tibet as well as in the north and south of the United States. There were natural disasters between 7 and 9 million years ago, through which, once again a decimation of these anthropoid ape beings occurred, as well as around 100,000 years ago. Then only just before 75,000 years ago, the Tobo super-volcano erupted in Sumatra and generated a global climate catastrophe and climate upheaval, through which, over a period of ten years, many forms of life became extinct. The genus Gigantopithecus giganteus was also decimated, yet smaller populations of actual giant apes, as well as a few subspecies, survived in various places. And some of the smallest very isolated groups, from those few populations which live in the areas you mentioned, have survived up to the present day. Only in the really very smallest isolated groups of human-like upright-walking ape creatures, the so-called Yeti, Bigfoot and Sasquatch still exist today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus
"Evidence of a separate species, Gigantopithecus giganteus, has been found in northern India and China. In the Guangxi region of China, teeth of this species were discovered in limestone formations in Daxin and Wuming, north of Nanning. Despite the name, G. giganteus is believed to have been about half the size of G. blacki(blacki being 3 meters in height). Based on the slim fossil finds, it was a large, ground-dwelling herbivore that ate primarily bamboo and foliage."
Gigantopithecus blacki
Gigantopithecus blacki is only known through fossil teeth and mandibles found in cave sites in Southeast Asia. As the name suggests, these are appreciably larger than those of living gorillas, but the exact size and structure of the rest of the body can only be estimated in the absence of additional findings. Dating methods have shown that G. blacki existed for about a million years, going extinct about 100,000 years ago after having been contemporary with (anatomically) modern humans (Homo sapiens) for tens of thousands of years, and co-existing with H. erectus before the appearance of H. sapiens.[2]
So it seems, we have an even bigger species(though dead) than Yeti.
If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere - Frank A. Clark
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Edward
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Post Number: 2681
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2013 - 02:22 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam...
Interesting, insight!
A couple of weeks back, German Scientists...made known that there is a link
between the Indians of India and the Australian Aboriginals. They discovered
Indian DNA in the Australian Aboriginals. So, the idea was that in the past
time, when the continents were still connected with each other, the Indians
migrated to Australia, and intermixed with each other.
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2683
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2013 - 03:38 am: |
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Hi All...
The BBC is rerunning Sir David Attenborough's Nature series, in which, the
first series dates back to about mid 60's, if not mid 70's.
I watched an episode, which was about the FIRST LIFE, on Earth.
Here, he too, mentioned that the first organisms 'hitched a ride' on
Asteroids, and which manifested into an Astroid Shower, as we call it.
Bombarding Earth endlessly, to a certain point.
These, organisms settled here on Earth, and Evolved, further to all we have
now.
I mention the above, due to Billy/Plejarans mentioning the same.
Billy/Plejarans described it more in the sense of Earth being 'inseminated
(: fertilized)', (if I remember it correctly)...with organisms which were
present on the Asteroids and settled on Earth, and took their course of
Evolution.
At elementary school, as a kid (mid 60's), you learn that all life started in
the ocean, which is not the case, of course; and at Church, that GOD created
you, to add; which is also...not the case, of course.
Sir David Attenborough's study of this does Confirm the facts as they truly
are, in relation to what Billy/Plejarans said. So, back then, Sir David
Attenborough...hit the nail on the head!!
Edward. |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 231
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2013 - 10:11 am: |
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Hi Edward
It is still unknown to present Earth's science how life can form exactly from hydrogen and what processes are determining the course of evolution and accumulation into more complex life. Not long ago there was quite controversial court case where science vs religion was put to the stand. Guess who won.
I recommend this documentary if someone wants to follow up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_Day:_Intelligent_Design_on_Trial
Salome |
Edward
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Post Number: 2684
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 01:16 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam...
Here is a link to - Research shows ancient Indian migration to Australia -.
More detailed information, not as the short summery I read, which possibly
indicated the migration when the continents were much closer to each other;
the link as you read here was about 4000 years ago; back then, the continents
were not as much different as today.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-15/research-shows-ancient-indian-migration-to-australia/4466382
Edward. |
Melissa
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 - 03:51 am: |
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So on the topic of Evolution, which this seems to be a decent thread to post in for this topic...
Scientists have discovered reversible evolution?
http://www.sciencerecorder.com/news/have-scientists-discovered-reversible-evolution/
Does this also prove that Evolution trumps all other ideas? If it can be reversed, it obviously exists as a natural order.
But can evolution really be reversed? Or does this concern only certain types of life forms, such as those without a spirit?
-Melissa
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Jacob
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 - 02:47 pm: |
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Hello Melissa,
The article that you linked talks about mites changing from a parasitic to free living lifeforms.
This is clearly an adaptation to its surroundings which happens over time, its an evolutionary e.g progressive move of nature, pursueing the most effective way of living and development.
The same happened a long time ago with the mammoth, it changed from an animal that could live in cold areas on Earth to an animal which mainly lives in the warmer areas of the planet; on top of that, it became a generally smaller animal.
There are forms of real devoluton / degeneration.
For example the Earth human: The creator-overlords changed the genetic composition of the Earth human in such a way so he is prone to degenerative (unbalanced) thoughts, feelings and actions.
The lifespan of the Earth human has been deliberatly lowered in the assumption that several decades of lifespan would be inadequate to let him find solutions to his problems and he would selfdestruct over time.
He would never really reach mental and consciousness-related ‘maturity’ and would die before he would reach that age.
Because of this, the Earth human has introduced many factors in nature which are truly degenerative / devolutive: unbalanced thoughts and feelings, mutagenic chemicals and radioactive pollution of all forms, massive overpopulation which has deluted his genepool, etc.
This all goes directly against the principle of evolution and lead to annihilation of a species.
All this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the laws of evolution.
I hope this helps.
Salome,
Jacob |
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