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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2732
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 03:03 am: | 
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Hi Matt and Matthew...
Matt: Your postings are well fit!!
Matthew: Matt and I, are NOT spreading of hearsay, lies and nonsense.
You just have to take, what other individuals have to say about it. There are
insights which should NOT be mentioned, outside, certain individuals of FIGU,
and which you do not know of!! There is MORE to it all, than you think!! Just
as, there is MORE to 911, than, just Ben Laden!
As some of us know, that Ptaah, in the first place, spoke out prematurely,
with certain things, which got it all going!! And, now, it seems, he is
'covering up' certain details which should not be exposed.
So, in the future, it is mentioned we will really KNOW: whom was behind 911!!
So, 911: is not a done deal!!
Matthew, you should OPEN your EYES! Do not be BLIND!!
What did Billy, say, many times: The ones with OPEN EYES, can SEE the TRUTH,
as it really is...
Edward. |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 286
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 08:26 am: |
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Rather than let my previous comments dangle, perhaps I should add that I doubt the Plejaren are deliberately deceiving us or misleading us for some nefarious purpose. Instead, it seems to me that rather than dwell on conspiracies, they want to emphasize that all people are worthwhile, that all life is valuable no matter how far from the ideal it may be. Perhaps I find this altruistic ideal in their statements because it is something that I instinctively feel myself, my own pleasant naivete.
Life
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 67
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 07:02 pm: |
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Hi Edward,
If what you say is true then the Plejaren do not practice what they preach, i.e., speak the truth, which is one of the most important spiritual principles they speak of. You also suggest that FIGU have a hierarchy of information and that some privileged few have access to the real truth. This basically undermines the whole mission.
My eyes are open Edward so I would very much appreciate it if you would avoid attempting to shut them closed with your conspiracy nonsense.
Matthew |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 329
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 06:20 pm: |
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Matthew wrote: "I think that what Billy says about the Freemasons is the truth about the Freemasons. They are harmless as an organization."
Matthew, Billy said "the Freemasons are really a harmless organization in their RELIGIOUS FORM".
There is a (big) difference there and a reason why he said that too. |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 68
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 03:32 am: |
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Also Edward,
In respect of eyes being open, please ensure that you read my messages clearly as I did not accuse you of spreading lies. I actually wrote, "Please provide at least one quote from Billy to support the views you express in your previous posts so that we avoid the spreading of hearsay, lies and nonsense." In regards to this, you still have not provided any quotes that say that the Freemasons are an evil-cult as you suggest.
With regards to 911, the Plejaren have said that the government did not cause this. Again, I ask that you please provide a quote for your statement, "As some of us know, that Ptaah, in the first place, spoke out prematurely, with certain things, which got it all going!! And, now, it seems, he is 'covering up' certain details which should not be exposed." Without references, I cannot make a fair assessment.
If FIGU is creating a hierarchy of information so that only those close to FIGU have the real truth, I cannot see how they would be any different from any other cult, e.g. the Catholic Church, who withhold information except from the few 'in the know'. As a PG member I have experienced CG members and PG members getting information before it is published just because they are around when Billy is looking at the information. However, this information is intended for the masses and this is different from your suggestion that the PG and CG members have the real truth about events that have been covered up (lied about) by Billy and the Plejaren.
Matthew |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 696
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 04:16 am: |
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Edward,
you wrote - "So, in the future, it is mentioned we will really KNOW: whom was behind 911!!"
Can you please provide a link where it is mentioned by Billy or the Plejaren that Bin or Ben(jamin) Laden (whatever his name was) and Al-Qaeda, were not behind 911?
Salome,
Bruce
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 69
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 04:29 am: |
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Matt,
If you insist on nit-picking to suit your argument, how do you explain Billy's answer to Michael D. where he says "The Freemasons are really a harmless organizations." No mention of the group in a 'religious' form there.
It doesn't add up, does it?
Matthew |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 287
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 07:52 am: |
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Personal assessments are the gold standard for me. Having met Herr Meier, I also doubt he will change much of anything in his statements as he approaches his death. If he is gonna change his mind, he just does it, now, and perhaps apologizes for previously being inaccurate, and then he moves on. My personal opinion of him is that he isn't the kinda man to deceive. I haven't met the Plejaren, and cannot do a similar personal assessment of their ways except second-hand through Herr Meier's statements, translated into English. But I dare to hope for the best.
BPP (Before the Plejaren Paradigm) I used to organize many gigabytes of zombie files on who is really running the world and what they are up to. In my own opinion, no one is in charge of our train-wreck of a planet, but there are definitely people who are trying to be. In making general assessments of whole groups of people, let me remind everyone that guilt is not determined by mere association. Even if the heads of an organization are corrupt, most of the people in it may not be. I gave up keeping zombie files because the endeavor was only emphasizing the problems we face, and despite some immature/despicable actors, I prefer to progressively focus on solutions for Planet Earth. Personally, that's what makes me happier.
Life
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 494
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 09:35 am: |
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Posted by Matt on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 06:20 pm:
Matthew wrote: "I think that what Billy says about the Freemasons is
the truth about the Freemasons. They are harmless as an organization."
Matthew, Billy said "the Freemasons are really a harmless organization
in their RELIGIOUS FORM".
There is a (big) difference there and a reason why he said that too.
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Matt,
again, with all due respect, do you happen to know what Billy meant by "RELIGIOUS FORM"?
Salome,
Eddie
P.S. The best I can offer here is a suggestion to read chapter 25 verse 219 of the Goblet of the Truth.
219) Consider the real truth of the creation, as it is given through its laws and recommendations, it alone is reality, whereas every belief is wrong, irrespective of the form in which it is practised; so you shall not believe in any wise, also not with regard to things that you cannot understand, rather you must in all things search to understand, so that you find the real truth in everything over which you make thoughts and feelings, so also with regard to the effective truth and reality, wherein you can no longer be erring if you have found it and recognized it; therefore you must search, fathom and understand, because otherwise you tear open the gigantic gate to the Hell of the endless irrationalities, and with these irrationalities you fall prey to the belief in godheads, tin gods and idolized human beings, as you therewith also deny the truth and the life and degrade them down to the evil. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 330
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - 10:47 pm: |
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I can't find where Billy said that. I was going by Michael D's question to Billy.
"In your answer about the Freemasons and Illuminati, you said they are harmless in their religious form and with the spreading of conspiratorial theories."
I shouldn't have posted that quote without first finding where Billy said it. So I have to take it back. My apologies. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2735
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:11 am: |
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Hi Matthew....(and ALL...)
No, harm intended, Matthew.
Of course, Billy will NOT say much details of 911 or whatever, even what will
occur in the future. He already, said that to Ptaah, that he would not like
to know certain details (of the future) because, it is so SAD. So, it looks
like it is best to NOT reveal certain FACTS...due to the immense Destruction
impact, it may cause, as result!
I stand, with what I posted. You will come across certain information as you
read more of the Meier Materials, that is all I can say. We have to put the
puzzle together by ourselves, Matthew.
And, as Christian once, said: WE/You, should also read/study/acquire insight/
information OUTSIDE....the FIGU Materials. I fully agree with Christian! We
should not become 'Narrow minded' by just only readying/studying....the FIGU
Materials. So, Christian mentioned a good point, here. And, which we all
should take heed to.
Edward. |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 71
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:30 pm: |
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HI Edward,
With respect, Billy has said more about the future than anyone, and to put a time frame on it, EVER.
Also, I did not appreciate the patronising tone of your last post as you assume to know where I am with the material and that I don't read material outside of the teachings, which is also incorrect. To be honest, a person can read just one line of the GoT and as long as that person fully integrates that teaching into their lives and makes positive changes towards the better they will know more than someone who reads all the material but does not reflect on the teachings or integrate them.
Again I ask you to provide at least one quote to support your ideas but you have not to date provided one quote. I just think you are reading the material to suit your bias on particular subjects and I would urge you to be very careful about doing just that. Although I have not read all the material available I am able to understand when Billy is speaking the plain truth. If the truth is hidden it is not the truth.
I sense with you that you may have a latent frustration with the teachings perhaps because they challenge your own views. If you had read the teachings and fully understood them then that would be evident. However the way you have hidden your true intent towards me with hidden insults tells me that you may have missed the TRUTH of the material. As for reading about things 'outside' Billy's teachings, I do but I also prefer direct experience with a subject than reading about it and Eddie and myself have had REAL experiences with the Freemasons. Consider this before making judgements.
I would seriously urge you to stop reading too much into the teachings and learn to just read the teachings and fully integrate these into your life before making judgments of others who disagree with you and who provide evidence that opposes your own view. Its too convenient and wrong to say that Billy hides information to save himself or others. You are just repeating your own limited view and you come across as someone who devours the plate without really tasting the food.
This really does you a disservice and I would encourage you to stop and rethink.
Matthew |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2736
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 11:23 pm: |
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Hi Matthew....
As I told you once in the past: Please, try NOT to act as if YOU are a Billy
Meier Authority! Which, you are NOT!
If you do not agree with someone, (s)he is either a liar... or, speaking of
nonsense, etc.
If YOU, studied the Spiritual Teachings as YOU should, you should know NOT to
- Force Feed -, and Respect that individual's insight, etc.
I end this conversation. And, do not want it to escalate any further. I know
this from past postings with you.
I think we best get back to » The Planet Earth » Third (fourth) world war
based on FIGU material.
Positive to hear from Billy, that there is NO indication of it becoming a
reality, at this moment.
Edward. |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 72
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 04:30 am: |
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Edward,
I think you have me confused with someone else as I do not recall having a conversation with you before of that nature. Neither did I claim to be a Billy Meier authority nor do I accuse people who disagree with me as being liars or speaking nonsense. I do study the Spiritual Teachings.
So basically everything you just said is in fact the opposite.
As a PG member, I will question those who make false statements about Billy without backing them up. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, at least, one quote from Billy to support a view about something Billy has clearly stated. I respect your right to believe in anything but I believe in my right to question that belief if it deals with a subject I am a passionate about and that I feel misleads people if left unchecked.
Matthew |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 528
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 07:54 pm: |
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Hi Matthew do you honestly believe that freemasons are the best thing since sliced bread? And after reading the spiritual teachings do you really uphold that group as something everyone should aspire to?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 74
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 08:41 pm: |
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Justsayno - No |
Germán
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 11:43 am: |
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Does anyone know if the current Pope FranciscoI could be the pope mentioned in the prophecies of Henoch and supposedly cause Third World War? What do you think about it? |
Davidmg
Member
Post Number: 129
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 02:43 pm: |
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Germán;
NO --
read here
http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions/henoch-prophecies
Davidmg
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Gargindia
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2013 - 06:42 am: |
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I can understand Billy's difficulty in saying some unpleasant truths.
Truth can be very unpalatable - and to a very large number of people - to the extent that it shakes the foundations of people's beliefs.
911 has happened. It does not benefit much by knowing who caused it. Does it benefit a boy by knowing his father is a murderer?
We need to listen to the essence of Plejaren's teachings. And that is peace, population control, and evolutions of humans in harmony with nature. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 382
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2013 - 05:09 pm: |
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Gargindia,
Nice post. Those items you listed as the essence of the teachings are very important to the future of our race. The sooner we can control our population, the more destruction and starvation and conflict we can avert. The sooner we can make the shift to living and fulfilling the laws and recommendations of Creation, the less negative events that will happen as a result of cause and effect. Although this shift will probably take a long time unfortunately, with a lot of lessons learned as a result of our degeneracy, and probably a lot of loss of life, due to the unprecedented nature of the upcoming disasters!
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2749
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 02:52 am: |
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Hi Gargindia....
Very well said!
But, just to mentioned your: Does it benefit a boy by knowing his father is a
murderer?
Well, every individual SEEKS Truth, and Strive for this. Quite a good
application, in Man. Truth, can only bring Understanding. Which, we all
should Strive for. In the sense of Creational Truth SEEKING.
Indeed, some aspects are best...as it is, and not be tamper with. But, if
Truth is what Man seeks: Truth he shall acquire.
Makes me think of what Billy mentioned concerning a child who does not know
his father.
Billy said, the child has every right to know WHO his/her father is. The
father is part of the creation of the child, of course. And, a BOND....One
should NOT break, for the sake of silence, or whatever the case may be.
Makes me think of Jmmanuel. He too, surely...at some point in time when he
was very young would want to know who his real father was, than Joseph. So,
Jmmanuel, was some Conscious youth, I would say.
'All in good time', as they say.....
Edward. |
Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 03:46 am: |
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I can answer Matthew's question as I am nobody and I have no contact with Plejarens. So my answer can provide some amusement.
Al Qaida is linked to CIA.
CIA is linked to Monarchists (NWO).
Monarchists are linked to Papacy.
Papacy is linked to evil Aliens (anti-Christ). |
Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 05:18 pm: |
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One more thing for Matthew:
Please refer to Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
The feet of clay and iron is the last 'beast' or the empire in this dream.
"clay" represents weakness or inaction.
"feet of iron" actually signifies bureaucracy. This means a lot of people employed by the State that do nothing.
I have concentrated on this and come with the conclusion that "feet of clay and iron" is the Papacy.
It is strange but true that real empire today is the "Papacy". And the main enforcer Papacy has is "CIA". |
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