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Corey
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 07:57 pm: | 
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Gargindia,
Unless of course you are referring to the Bafath, but they are gone now, deported to a Plejaren prison planet in another system. Unfortunately the "after effects" of their evil deeds will linger on this planet for hundreds of years. :-(
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 12:00 am: |
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Gargindia
Please read information regarding dreams and dream interpretation and utilize search engine to get info about so-called "anti-christ" or - as paraphrased by you - "evil aliens".
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Corey
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Post Number: 387
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 07:39 pm: |
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Gargindia,
the anti-Christ is not linked to evil aliens. The idea of the anti-Christ is the modified version of the anti-LOGOS, which was modified and distorted and changed by religious people in history. If you ever learn German you can read about the anti-LOGOS in Billy's book "Prophecies and Predictions".
The word LOGOS is an old Greek word which translates into power of Creation (Schöpfungkraft), (Arahat Athersata 169:23). Anti-LOGOS are religious delusional earth people who have positions of power, who act against logic and the Creation, and if there is a world war three, they will be responsible for it.
Evil aliens are not in charge of the papacy, or the Vatican. It is earth humans alone who run the Vatican. There is no area of the earth, where either good or evil extraterrestrials are in charge of any earth humans. To quote Billy: "The problem lies with the earth human himself". I know Hollywood paints a negative picture regarding extraterrestrials. ET's are not a threat to our existence, us earth humans are a threat to our own existence.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Gargindia
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 02:51 am: |
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Corey - do we treat Bafath as aliens or earth humans?
What about Hyperboreans? What is their role?
And Of course the 'scientists' who founded cities of Atlantis and Agharta. Should these be treated as aliens or earth humans?
And how do we treat descendants of aliens, specially those who have preserved their blood lines by inbreeding?
I may be wrong about anti-Christ. I accept your views on anti-Christ. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 654
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 07:04 am: |
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Hello Gargindia,
I think you would get a great deal out of a paper I wrote titled "Visionary Semiotics: Revelation 18 and its Signified Babylon." Starting on the third page I discuss Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel and the kingdoms mentioned and how these likely relate to "Babylon" and what and where these kingdoms and Babylon are.
The paper was published at Osaka University of Arts Junior College in 2008. Just request it in an email to me at gbcyd@yahoo.com and I will send you a copy. I can send a pdf of this paper to anyone interested who requests it.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Corey
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Post Number: 389
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 10:09 am: |
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Gargindia,
Those are good questions with possible paradoxes for answers...
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 300
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 11:26 am: |
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Gargindia, when we first come across this material it's so different from other storylines that we can have a hard time assimilating it all at once. Just give it time to sink in.
In answer to your question, although there are valid distinctions between the various species of humans, this impacts the rights of any one human not a whit. Everyone should be accorded the same rights regardless of where they are from or what associations they may have been born into. Everyone is purely human. That said, there are certainly groups of humans whose actions are only collectively self-centered. Like it or not, and no matter what we may believe the ideal to be, we Earthings simply haven't yet developed the capacity to wisely integrate our planet's various human societies without some groups collectively dominating over the others, without some groups capitulating away their very soul. This is just one reason why the Plejaren have recommended that the various groups of people on this planet be kept separate for now. Probably in the future tribal/racial/religious/national distinctions will matter less, but for now, regardless of how politically incorrect it may be to point this out, it's best to respect these distinctions.
Life
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Gargindia
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 07:38 pm: |
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Dear Michaelhelfert,
I have discussed this issue with a great Vedic scholar at length.
His view is that humans should be treated same irrespective of origin (even aliens). I have no idea about Plejaren's view but keeping different ethnic groups separated does not seem logical to me. |
Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 03:35 am: |
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Dear Michaelhelfert,
I again checked and the idea of keeping people separate (unique race by country) is a good one.
However the baggage of history is upon us. A good amount of mixing has already happened due to migrations and war. We do not consider the white race to be a single species but at least three distinct species. There are several human species in addition to whites. So how do you keep them separate. You cannot define boundaries on the basis of language (as anybody can learn a language), and it is equally hard to define by genetics.
We believe that idea of segregating races was a good one a few thousand years back (and it happened also) but it is not relevant in current time. |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 75
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:03 am: |
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Gargindia,
Please clarify which question of mine you were answering as I do not recall asking a question that related to your post Nr. 5?
The discussion I was involved with here on this thread was specifically referring to the Freemasons and the conspiracy nonsense that surrounds that group.
My views on that subject come from real experiences and are supported by information I found from Billy.
I find it interesting that people on this forum think that because I support the idea that Freemasons are harmless that they presume to 'know' what all my other views are on every other conspiracy-related subject. Is this evidence of a lack of an ability to discriminate?
I know those things you mention about Al Qaeda (The base), the CIA, etc. I think it is laughable that people continually focus on issues that they are neither willing to do anything about, can do anything about or know much about, unless they themselves are in positions that enable them to make positive changes. There are plenty of issues that do not involve the ugly secret underbelly of politics, that are within the public realm for us to challenge, i.e., government plans to introduce hydraulic fracturing, but these are often not dealt with by the conspiracy theorists because these issues are just not sexy enough and because these issues exist in the realm of present reality. Nor do these very real dangerous actions of government going on NOW give them a feeling that they are special (= ego) because they are not then party to some scary information that no-one else has - so that they can stand out from the crowd and be feared by the 'unknowing' ones for what they themselves claim to 'know'.
Matthew |
Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 03:38 pm: |
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Matthew,
I think I replied to you on a different thread.
I appreciate and respect your views. |
Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 03:52 pm: |
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Matthew,
I apologize if I said something inappropriate.
I find the people here spiritually advanced and I would like to continue to learn and contribute here. I am also learning to use this message board as it is not much user friendly.
The topics touched by Billy's revelations are very important. I want to share my (vedic) perspective as vedic civilization was present before white man came to earth. Vedic civilization has suffered much due to the actions of the white man. It is important that this perspective is understood by people otherwise only other reality on earth is destruction.
Vedic people were not weak at all, but made space for other races due to respect for Creation's laws. However these laws were not upheld by the visitors.
It is a long topic and we need to get Plejaren's view on it. |
Matthew
Member
Post Number: 76
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 01:21 am: |
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Hi Gargindia,
At last - Someone who just wants to be friendly - great & thanks! Oh and where are my manners - welcome to the forum Gargindia.
I know very little about the Vedic civilisation and look forward to learning more from you about this subject.
Salome,
Matthew |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 02:47 am: |
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Gargindia, you aren't the first person to present the Vedic perspective here.
The Vedas of previous yugas were lived by Aryans, one of the original white races. White people did not destroy Vedic civilization, but the British did run ramshackle over it... the British who themselves were controlled, like so many societies are, by a wholly separate group of people trading in the City of London. And India has its fair share of complicity - no society can remain true to its heritage in the face of such crushing population growth.
Race is a sensitive issue for almost everyone. Indeed, race has been one of the key contentions in all the recent wars. Calls of racism generally are reactions to unfairness and lack of respect in a stratified society. And yet, we will find this same stratification, technologically and genetically reinforced as much as spiritually, when we venture out beyond our solar system. Will we then accuse all the universe of being racist? If so we will bring conflict with us wherever we go.
The breakdown of distinctions between races is being pushed by one group of people in particular, a group that prefers to think f themselves as above reproach. The "Baggage of History" is a good way of putting it. For this group, breaking down Earth's national, cultural, and racial boundaries (excepting their own mixed amalgamation, of course) is their most destructive agenda, priority one. Thus, even when we finally begin to reduce our population, we may still be unable to respect the distinctions of different humans. We will be taught to think that national, cultural, racial integration is the way to build a fair society, with guilt and atonement being invoked to drive people into interracial marriages. Under the guise of embracing diversity, we are being driven to destroy it.
Vibrational algebra is also an issue that comes into play here. As previously noted, people of different vibes can't always play amicably in the same sandbox, and it's not fair to force them into that situation. For instance, some are prone to acquiescence, while others are overtly aggressive, a problematic combination silently recognized in race dynamics. While political correctness demands silence on this issue, it's no sin to point out that people of different genetic makeups exhibit different behavioral patterns; the real sin is in the silence.
Should people not deliberately preserve the various species of humans, Earthlings are unlikely to remain distinct beyond... let's say perhaps 2400. I read a semi-secret U.N. study/report from two or three decades ago that concluded that fair-skinned blond-haired people will cease to be a viable population in approximately 100-140 years, the last holdouts being Swedish. (Apparently this time frame was considered too long since not long afterwards the gates to immigration were forced open in Sweden, and it has since been flooded with Islamic Semites.) Certainly other demographic studies have since been commissioned to determine the approximate decades when other groups of people might cease to exist as distinct entities, and where the last pockets of them will be.
You asked how to counter this loss of human diversity. Halting immigration would be a start, for only by protectively living apart from their immigrant neighbors, only by self-segregating can a population assure its integrity. For the blond-haired, blue-eyed Swedes, this means that a population large enough to be viable must live apart, and deliberately mate and produce children only within their genotype. People can easily do this should they ever shake off the propaganda and contemplate the value of deliberate human speciation. It's not rocket science, just common sense.
The issue of race has been so politically charged that most people will not touch it except to nervously regurgitate again and again that everyone should be treated fairly. However, working to naturally evolve a beautiful, genetically enhanced population is also a vital part of the Mission, something I wish we would discuss more openly on this forum.
Life
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 515
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 02:31 pm: |
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Hello Gargindia and welcome to the forum.
I would like to contribute a little to the following quote from your post # 16.
"His view is that humans should be treated same irrespective of origin (even aliens). I have no idea about Plejaren's view but keeping different ethnic groups separated does not seem logical to me."
On Earth we have not yet reached a certain level of genetic manipulation as it pertains to diseases and genetic defects. The Plejaren are simply informing us that procreating offspring by couples of mixed race leads to children being born with some level of defect and even deformities or increased likeliness for illness.
The reason for this is because the creational idea of human beings is for us to experience life at its fullest through good health, healthy psyche, long life spans, true love, virtues, ...so on and so on as it is explained in the texts of the Teaching.
It is found in the Goblet of Truth wherein the prophets teach about cordiality, thoughtfulness and respect when traveling abroad and visiting other peoples and their nations. It is even encouraged to have commerce and to exchange between peoples.
So ultimately, understanding Creation and the incarnation of the spiritform and the ccb that must experience life through the body, senses and psyche, through the personality and cognitions, study and learning; it is thereby evident that complete consideration of the child and its existence/experience takes precedence.
Every parent wants a healthy and happy baby. The Plejaren are simply educating us that for our level of scientific accomplishments and knowledge, it would be best for those determined to have children consider this creational fact seriously and deeply; for the sake of the children.
By no means are they suggesting a separation or segregation of people; in any way shape or form.
Salome,
Eddie |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 303
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 04:07 pm: |
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"By no means are they suggesting a separation or segregation of people; in any way shape or form."
- Eddie
Just as with our outa control population growth, defacto open immigration needs wiser guidance, more reasonable limits.
We all want the freedom to go wherever we want and do whatever we want unhindered by any pesky limitation. Even I feel limitations to be unfair - I want to travel to interesting worlds in this galaxy, and the next, this universe and the next, to bed a harem full of beautiful extraterrestrial women and have lots and lots of babies - why can't I do that, why must I be limited so? It's just not fair!
Why are we not already part of some Ultra-Pan-Universal Federation of Light? Why are we separated, segregated from societies and cultures of higher technology than what's found on Earth? How can this be fair? Indeed, why have the secretive advanced populations of Earth kept to themselves throughout history when they could have so easily sprung forth from their hideouts and led us with their higher knowledge, wisdom, and understanding? Isn't it prejudicial of them that they haven't invited us to move into their underground oases?
Like it or not, segregation is often the wisest course of action, an important aspect of societal organization - and not just for genetic reasons, but for cultural and especially spiritual reasons as well. There is alot of grey area here, but people tend to consider the extremes all too soon. It's easy to fall to one pole or another. At one pole is a separation of peoples through the closing of national borders, enforcement of dictatorial laws, ubiquitous propaganda and cultural engineering, and of course eugenics. As threatening as it is, some people are actively advocating for that circumstance. At the other pole is complete mixing of peoples through the abolition of any borders, everyone discarding their heritage to adopt a single modern global culture, and of course denial of any racial differences. As threatening as that is, some people are actively advocating for that circumstance. For the people who only see the extremes, who only see one pole or the other, they will go to WAR to protect what they see as right, and they will drag everyone else into their war feeling fully justified to do so. This is not the wisest course of action.
Somewhere in between those two poles is the grey area, a much slower introduction of appropriate people's to new societies than what we currently have, wherein limited immigration doesn't overwhelm the hosting population. This is what the Plejaren have advocated. Even though its not absolute, it is a separation, a segregation, a limitation. Even though we may not like it, sometimes the wisest path calls for some self-discipline at the societal scale.
Life
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Gargindia
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 06:11 pm: |
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Dear Michael and Eddie,
Many thanks for clarifying Plejaren's POV.
Actually Veda is very strict on purity in the matter of procreation and there are rules about marriage. However Veda does not make distinction between races. The distinction is only by virtue and learning.
There is no 'Aryan' race of white people. It is just a German delusion. We are ready for a meeting between Plejaren expert and our expert on this matter.
As I said earlier, the white people are themselves many species and they have mixed already. So if you assume you can fence your society on the basis of skin colour, it will be a failure.
We are worried because white people already have strong genocidal tendencies. So it matters to us how separation of races is implemented.
We however do not question Plejaren's principle as what they say is correct. But earth people may not understand these things very well as most of earth humans lack the intelligence to understand such things. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 304
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 12:16 pm: |
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I have been struck with how similar the Vedas are to the Teaching in some ways. Considering our convoluted mutual history, no doubt the Vedas have been influenced by extraterrestrial perspectives and philosophies somewhere in history, perhaps even at their outset.
You are right, what some groups of white people have done is genocidal, and very wrong. And in true form, the repercussions upon the white races are in turn also genocidal. Indeed, the continued existence of distinct species of humans on this planet is threatened by mass immigration and intermarriage. Everyone is so afraid of the slightest hint of prejudicial discrimination that they are giving up on value of their own racial identity, or the value of cultural uniqueness, while the influence of genetic makeup upon psycho-spiritual vibe goes completely unrecognized in the name of political correctness.
What are the wise limits to integration? How can these be determined? Perhaps if we look at it as inviting guests into our home we can more easily see what's appropriate and what's not.
1. When the guests force the culture of the host to adjust, then they have already worn out their welcome.
2. If any more guests arrive uninvited beyond that point, then it's an invasion.
3. When the guests use politics to force their laws and governance upon the hosts, then it's a defacto take over.
4. When the guests significantly alter the original genetic makeup of the hosts unbidden, then it's rape at the societal scale, then it's genocide.
Like it or not, it doesn't matter whether it's deliberate or subconscious, any such actions of this sort are simply immoral, and they result in the same impacts and incur the same consequences as a hostile invasion force. Although it may sound harsh, it is what it is.
While people of about equal cultural and societal wisdom and understanding should be able to respect each other's differences, people of lesser cultural and societal wisdom and understanding, who are less sensitive to the needs of their host population, yet more aware of their own needs, tend to be simply unable to fathom how detrimental their collective impacts actually are. Thus, it should always be up to the host population to determine how much impact and influence is too much, and ideally, any host concerns should be politely respected without complaint. To do the slightest bit less than this is to cease being a guest, to morph into an invader.
When the Plejaren point out that Earthlings are not yet wise enough to fairly and altruistically integrate our disparate societies, I suspect that this is something of what they are seeing. If Earthlings want to be welcomed in turn into extraterrestrial societies, we first have to treat each other's societies here on Earth with respect, not carelessly disregard and overwhelm indigenous societies... and even their genetic composition. Or shall we feel justified to invade the Plejaren home world in about two-thousand years?
Do be advised Gargindia, although it's politically incorrect (in some cases illegal) to directly criticize them in Europe and the US, Jews in particular see themselves as the moral guardians of the mission to dissolve all boundaries and blindly integrate all people. You have been warned.
To revisit our criteria for invited guests versus invasive force, with modern examples attached:
1. When the guests force the culture of the host to adjust, then they have already worn out their welcome.
(e.g. - the influence of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism everywhere they go)
2. If any more guests arrive uninvited beyond that point, then it's an invasion.
(e.g. - the mass influx of Africans into Southern Europe, Mexicans into the United States, and Jews into Palestine)
3. When the guests use politics to force their laws and governance upon the hosts, then it's a defacto take over.
(e.g. - the influence of Zionism upon Britain, America, and Germany)
4. And when the guests significantly alter the original genetic makeup of the hosts unbidden, then it's rape at the societal scale, then it's genocide.
(e.g. - the influence of mass immigration in Scandinavia and Tibet, the decimation of indigenous peoples in the Americas, the systematic rape of German women by Bolsheviks, and on and on and on)
Even when ambition pushes us into denial, we can all understand the difference between guest and invader. Instead of being so blindly needy, or limply 'politically correct', or even predatorial, the various groups of humanity should respect each other. Rather than laughing at the misfortunes of the victims and disregarding the value of distinct groups of people, we should learn to respect each other's uniqueness.
Once we can respect the distinct groups of mankind, only then can we help each other evolve. Only through respect for each others societies can we be rightly altruistic.
Life
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Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 04:10 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
Vedic people always allowed people of differing thoughts to exist in separate kingdoms. Vedic people never forced their views on others.
You should study Ramayan (the corrected version). I can send you a copy if you want. You will realize that Rama neither destroyed Lanka, nor attached Lanka to his kingdom after defeating Ravana. He appointed Vibhishan, younger brother of king of Lanka, as king and returned to his own kingdom. There cannot be a better example of what Plejarens teach regarding this subject.
However our recent history of last 5000 years is one of plunder, rape and genocide by the white man all over earth. This is the reason I request people to understand deeply and reflect about these issues. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 517
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 07:27 am: |
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Hello Gargindia,
It appears my post was not read carefully.
Hello Michael,
I have failed to find any corroboration in the teaching. As to man-made borders and laws, I can only say that the things you point out shows the difference between rulers knowledgeable in creational principles, laws and recommendations, and present day rulers with their small minded, limited scope/vision and complete ignorance and backwards thinking.
In the Goblet of Truth, one will find a lot of insights and clearly outlined suggestions and guidelines towards a global community.
Gargindia and Michael, have you guys had the chance to read the Goblet of Truth yet?
Salome,
Eddie |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 306
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 09:17 am: |
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It is easy to fall into thinking that the white man has destroyed everything wonderful, or the Hindus, or Muslims, or whomever. However, the truth is far more realistic - we have all had a role in doing stupid things, just as we are now waking up from this. If you want to be angry about things that happened in the past, if you want to blame someone for that, then you're wasting your energy on nonsense. Focus on what is happening now, not what happened generations ago, for those actors have died and since been reincarnated many times over. Who knows who those people are at this point. They could now be Indian or Asian or African or Afgan. They could now be Navajo or New Guinean or Eskimo or Tahitian. Most likely all of the actors from the last five thousand years who have done horrible things have moved on, and hopefully learned from their mistakes.
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I would be remiss not to mention that there is a modern culture which is developing on Earth, one which is integrated racially and is developing it's own new culture, supposedly from scratch (although not really...) This is a new entity in this age (yuga), and has few traditions, even less heritage, and no roots. The people who belong to this group are as culturally distinct as people who belong to a historically established society. We can find members of this generally urban society in all countries, connected to one another more than than they are connected with their own respective geographic locations. What identities these people will ultimately develop has yet to be established, but collectively they constitute a new society.
Although this is a genuine society that's forming, with all the validity of any other society, that doesn't mean that it can destroy the societies out of which has been born. Again, respect for disparate societies is the key point here. With respect, any traditional society that withers from declining membership withers as it should. With respect, any society that grows in membership grows as it should. Just like any other society that proclaims its self-justified prominence, this new society shouldn't actively set out to impact other societies. Social dynamics require respect.
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I would like to propose that people can deliberately develop a distinct society for some reason if they so choose. This society can be comprised of whomever the people choose it to be comprised of. The traditions can be completely arbitrary and yet just as valid. The language can be whatever they all agree to use. The genetics can be drawn from whatever genetic sets they choose. And the location and environment and technology used can be just as deliberately chosen. A society deliberately evolved is just as valid as one that has evolved without guidance.
Life
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Gargindia
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 07:38 pm: |
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Eddie - I have not yet read 'Goblet of truth'. I would like to read it in its original version after learning German language.
Michaelhelfert - I did not come to this website to be angry. Hard questions are necessary to find gaps in knowledge and understanding. You may not want Billy's teaching to just become a sect. Prophets have come in the past, and evil people just took advantage of them. The prophecies and predictions do not bring any joy or correction, as Billy has already seen. The correction comes from action.
Germans were not responsible for what happened in ancient India, but the people who caused trouble in ancient India also penetrated German societies. So one should not assume that even Germans can comprehend spiritual matters easily.
I invite individuals from FIGU to learn Veda from authentic Veda experts with us. I believe this will make your understanding better.
We are also learning more about FIGU material and wish Plejaren sit with our expert as we feel that the history presented misses many events. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 529
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 - 07:29 am: |
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Hi Gargindia, sounds like rape is currently happening in your country, no white man involved. How do you explain your treatment of women as second class citizens according to the Vedas?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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