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Shastafcgmailcom
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 08:20 am: | 
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Thank you Edward... |
Shastafcgmailcom
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 08:24 am: |
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Hello Billy & all FIGU members
When and where did the Jewish religion originate ?
Roy |
Shastafcgmailcom
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 10:30 am: |
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Hi All
The ETs living in Mt Shasta, are they still there? If not, when did they actually leave? And why?
Oh and, thank you all, at all the FIGUs around the world for your time and patience..
Roy |
Earthling
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Post Number: 704
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 04:17 am: |
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Roy, I'm sure you know how to perform a search to find what you're looking for.
Translate this & your Mt Shasta answer will be therein.
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505th contact of November 18, 2010:
Billy: Also denn: Erstens eine Frage zum Mount Shasta resp. zu den fernen Nachfahren Ausserirdischer, die dort gelebt haben, worüber ich mit deiner Tochter Semjase mehrfach gesprochen habe, so aber auch mit dir. Hier habe ich einen Gesprächsauszug von Semjase, den ich aus dem 34. Kontaktbericht vom 3. Dezember 1975 herauskopiert habe.
Semjase
270: Der Mount Shasta aber ist nicht der einzige Ort, wo diese Rasse lebt, denn sie haben sich schon zu sehr frühen Zeiten aufgeteilt in drei kleinere Völker, wobei die beiden andern unerkannt tief unterirdisch auf den Aleuten und in Alaska leben.
271: Die ganze Population beträgt nur noch etwa 700 Menschen.
Dazu hat mir Quetzal einmal ausserhalb eines offiziellen Gespräches gesagt, dass ihr alle Bewohner aus dem Mount Shasta und auf den Aleuten und in Alaska weggeholt habt.
Ptaah: Das ist richtig. Wir haben uns bemüht, alle Bewohner der drei Orte dazu zu bewegen, zu ihren Völkern zurückzukehren, mit denen sie ja immer in Kontakt standen. Wir nannten ihnen die Begründungen für unseren eigenen Abzug von der Erde, was dazu führte, dass sie sich zurückzogen. Ihre Wohnstätten und alles Drum und Dran haben sie in den irdischen Urzustand zurückversetzt, folglich nichts mehr auf ihre einstige Anwesenheit hinweist. Der diesbezügliche Vorgang war der gleiche wie bei der Pyramide von Gizeh und auf dem Mars.
Billy: Verstehe. Dann habt ihr sie also nicht selbst weggebracht, sondern sind von selbst mit jenen weggegangen, die sie aus ihrer eigentlichen Urheimat kamen, jedoch einfach auf euer Anraten hin. Da habe ich etwas falsch verstanden. Kannst du mir aber sagen, wohin diese Menschen eigentlich gehörten resp. zu welchem Volk?
Ptaah: Das ist kein Geheimnis. Sie waren ferne Nachfahren einer Volkslinie der alten Lyraner, zu der sie auch zurückkehrten.
Billy: Dann sind sie sozusagen mit euch Plejaren verwandt, denn die plejarischen Völker sind ja aus den alten Lyranern hervorgegangen.
Ptaah: Das ist richtig.
Billy Danke. Dann weist also im Mont Shasta sowie in Alaska und auf den Aleuten jetzt nichts mehr auf deren einstige Anwesenheit hin?
Ptaah: Auch das ist richtig.
Salome,
Bruce
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 07:59 am: |
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Roy, these are all good questions, or at least ones that have I pondered on as well. I look forward to hearing what answers, if any, are produced here.
From what I understand, it is possible that the spirits of the previously insane and morbidly maniacal Bafathian big names have reincarnated here, now. Indeed, you or I could have lived just that life. Somethin to think about, fer sure.
Regarding any association between the roots of Judaism and the Bafath... considering the common tactics they both have used to influence whole societies, I wonder this too. That said, the caveat that Judaism has been 'no worse' than Christianity or Islam ever needs to be mentioned to be correct. From I understand, all of Earth's religions, belief systems, developed paradigms, etc. have been influenced by the Bafath to varying degrees, some more directly as in the case of secret sects of the major religions, and most only indirectly. To end on a positive note, the remnants of the Bafath have been removed, and from here we will hopefully develop along more altruistic lines.
I have heard a rumour that the more advanced people living under Mt. Shasta, and a coupla outlying communities, have left Planet Earth. Maybe they were concerned about the growing awareness of their existence, and the potential for their subsequent discovery, or maybe they just found a better place to live somewhere else. I also suspect that Gilgamesh has left the planet, but who can say for certain?
Life
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Shastafcgmailcom
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 10:46 am: |
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Hi All
The ETs living in Mt Shasta, are they still there? If not, when did they actually leave? And why?
Oh and, thank you all, at all the FIGUs around the world for your time and patience..
Roy |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 527
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 07:51 pm: |
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Hi Roy, they left at the end of December 1988 if my memory serves correct. I agree they probably left for the reasons stated by Michael. It was around that time that then President Jimmy Carter was supposed to an audience with the Plejaren through Billy. And we know that didn't happen.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Shastafcgmailcom
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 09:52 pm: |
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Thank you Bruce!!
Keep well!
Roy |
Edward
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Post Number: 2737
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 01:26 am: |
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Hi Shastafcgmailcom(/Roy).....
Just a summary, compiled by myself; could to some point be off with FIGU
data, I must add, ok? Just to give you an idea, ok?
Israelites, are defined as the descendants of Abraham. Hebrews and
Israelites, are in most cases to designate the Jews....whom, utilized the
Hebrew language; by Roman era definition. But, in modern times the name
Hebrew is replaced with JEW or, Israeli.
The Hebreons, were known as a Nomadic tribe of origin(: within the land
called [Old] Palestine). In Roman times did manage to settled down, and place
themselves, as to them, 'well distinguish' people and their Priests. The
Priest proclaimed themselves as Priests, Self-appointed, if you will; and,
altered all they knew about the previous TRUE Prophet Linage and Creational
Spirit(ual) Teaching(s), and altered the Anti-LOGOS = Anti CREATION into
Anti-Christ, for their own benefit, and leave no trace of the Jewish
Aggression which would become a part of the future to be/come; wish we can
learn from the FIGU Materials.
So, we/you can notice that we have to calculated to the Roman Era, to
determine, the time-frame of their existence. Would be an estimate of 1500
BC, some double calculated, in/to our modern times; give or take(; perhaps,
half to 1 millennium off?).
www.figu.org/us/figu/billy_meier/claim.htm
In this incarnation lineage, Jmmanuel appears as the fifth prophet. Jmmanuel
was the same prophet who nearly 2000 years ago, under Jshwjsh Kalatan,
attempted to spread the spiritual teachings in Israel. It has become an
known fact that this herald was the true prophet Jmmanuel, with whom Billy
and Asket personally visited during their time travel in 1956.
Billy's incarnation correlation with the fifth prophet Jmmanuel, as revealed
in the above-described text segments, has led, through the passage of time,
to severe misunderstandings, false interpretations of the contexts, and
defamations.
The Jesus Christ of the New Testament was simply, but incorrectly, placed
into the same time period as Jmmanuel; he was considered and even presented
as the identical person. This occurred in spite of clear and explicit
explanation revealing that the term Jesus Christ was only invented
approximately 150 years later, after Jmmanuel's activities and alleged death
on the cross. The misconception was generated at a very early stage,
however, by Jmmanuel's brother Jacob along with an individual known as Paul.
As previously mentioned in his various conversations 2000 years ago,
Jmmanuel's true spiritual teachings were greatly falsified shortly after he
performed his activities in Palestine. The emerging Christianity initiated
and established from his person a fictitious cult entity known as the
"only-begotten son of God the Father".
The fact is that Jmmanuel himself 2000 years ago stated to Billy the
following words during Meier's time travel:
"Truly, they shall make a cult from my real human existence that will result
in great harm. They still see in me only the human being I really am, but
soon they will turn me into something slanderous and as being equal to
Creation.
Truly, I foresee these events of the future but cannot change them even
though I resist them."
Jmmanuel knew very well, even at the time, that his true spiritual teachings
would be inscribed and greatly falsified some 150 years after his alleged
death on the cross. He was also aware of the fact that Juda Ihariot would
steal scrolls from Judas Iscarioth, and from these would originate a
so-called "New Testament". Jmmanuel was equally conscious of the fact that
from the stolen scrolls there would originate the Jesus-Christ false
teachings which, truthfully, no longer had anything to do with the spiritual
and Creational teachings. They would be Christian erroneous teachings
containing a "New Testament" that was brimming with false teachings,
half-truths and religious paradoxes. Even Jmmanuel's true name would no
longer be mentioned in this text and, indeed, it would be eliminated from
history altogether. Jmmanuel would no longer have anything to do with the
teachings of the "New Testament", and the text itself would be attributed to
an imaginary, concocted person called Jesus Christ, who had never truly
existed.
Jmmanuel was very familiar with future events as they pertained to the
invention of the imaginary person called Jesus Christ, and he confided the
following words to Billy Meier, some 2000 years ago:
"Truly, this is a vile insult, foreign to any truth.
This name has never been mentioned up to this point in time that I now speak
to you.
It will only be introduced later by a person whose mind will be confused.
Once I am associated with this name, however, I will be accused of
unrighteousness and Iying.
This name wrongs me and I am saddened to know that I will be known by it in
the future."
Therefore, the actual flesh-and-blood human being known as Jesus Christ has,
in fact, neither lived nor existed; not on Earth nor in any other location
throughout the entire Universe. For this reason, therefore, it is impossible
for any human being to be the reincarnation of this so-called Jesus Christ.
and....
TJ Forward
The author of the scrolls was a contemporary and disciple of Jmmanuel who was
known by the name of Judas Iscariot. For about 2000 years, he has been
wrongly denounced as the traitor of Jmmanuel, although he had nothing to do
with the betrayal. This ugly deed was actually carried out by Juda Ihariot,
the son of a Pharisee.
More insight see:
JAMES DEARDORFF [James W. Deardorff]
The Talmud Of Jmmanuel
http://www.tjresearch.info
http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/
http://www.figu.org/us/figu/supporter/deardorff.htm
Positively, this will help you?
Edward. |
Patm
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Post Number: 204
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 06:06 pm: |
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Edward,
The 2011 Version of the Talmud Jmmanuel corrects the spelling of the following names:
The writer (author) of the scrolls (Talmud Jmmanuel) and trusted disciple of Jmmanuel is spelled:
Judas Ischkerioth
The betrayer's name was Judas Ishariot who was the son of the Pharisee, Simeon Ishariot.
Salome
PatM |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 293
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 07:52 pm: |
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Edward, that posting bordered on confusing gibberish.
Gibberish develops in the mind that twists around facts to suit a predisposition to faith.
To clearly assess a faith, look to the fruits of its believers.
To relinquish a faith, allow anything to be true.
Life
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 295
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 11:50 am: |
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Edward, that came out sounding much stronger than I expected or wanted. I am well aware that you have studied this stuff for years and know your way around the Teaching. My apologies.
Life
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Edward
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Post Number: 2740
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 12:03 am: |
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Hi Michaelhelfert....
You Denying The FIGU materials!?
Seeing that you have been here for a 'short' while, YOU still have very very
much to Accumulate!
I KNOW, that what is posted is based on TRUE FACTS, FIGU and all related,
including Jim Deardorffs input.
I always say: TRUTH is HARDER...than the Hardest Diamond, Michael!
Some people can just NOT Digest....TRUTH!!
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2741
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 11:54 pm: |
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Hi Patm....
Yes, I am familiar with that.
Thank you, for adding it for Shastafcgmailcom(/Roy)..... benefit
Edward. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 296
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 08:37 am: |
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A quick FYI Edward:
I started paying attention to this forum about the same time you started posting here. I started posting myself as 'sitkaa' in 2004, but didn't have much to say for a number of years; mostly just wanted to listen.
I aim to be diligent even when I might be wrong. And I am willing to change my mind when I find some new truth that rings truer to me than the olde. Seeing this world as it is is important to me.
Life
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Edward
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Post Number: 2750
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 03:09 am: |
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Hi Michaelhelfert....
So, you an oldie!! Here!
I was surprised, that you knew very much about the Meier materials!
I figured, there was more to this! And, now...you came out of the closet.
Yeah, I remember Sitkaa.
Well, we all want to put the dots on the "i's", so, I can understand your
point of view. We all just have to SEEK DEEPER, in the Meier Materials.
Updates, as well, as old materials, which still have their values. WE, just
have to put them together....
There is still very very much Value in the old binded Bulletins, which I have
a couple of; and, booklets. Incredible...what Billy has to say.
Edward. |
Gargindia
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 05:31 pm: |
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I have read carefully history of Earth from FIGU website (English language) and I have the following observations to make:
The history of "Arya" people is totally absent in this material. I do not know why it is so but I suspect that Plejaren instruments are unable to 'sense' this history.
"Arya" race that was present at the time epic Ramayan was written (18.1 million years ago) was a very advanced race. They travelled to distant planet systems and galaxies and took their knowledge and wisdom with them. I suspect even ancestors of Plejaren are influenced by "Arya" people.
Vedic Sanskrit is the root of all human languages throughout the Creation. This fact cannot be denied. |
Corey
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Post Number: 388
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 - 07:15 pm: |
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Gargindia,
Actually according to the Meier material, most earthly languages have an ancestry to the extraterrestrial Old Lyrian language, not Sanskrit. It was active here on Earth 389,000 and 13,500 years ago. There is a chart in the hard to find book: And Still They Fly page 16 of the seven highly valued Old Lyrian languages that morphed into today's earthly languages. Judging from the chart, it's possible Sanskrit has roots in either the HEBRJN or most likely the BAMAR Old Lyrian, depending on what Guido Moosbrugger means by "near east". Billy would know for sure.
As for the Arya race, we are not too informed here on Earth about the history of the manifold galaxies and universes and races due to our lack of advanced space travel and any history we did possess being lost through wars and civilization starting over several times. It is my understanding that the Plejaren have thorough annals regarding their history, so if this Arya race you speak of was a part of their, or our history, they would most likely know about it.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Gargindia
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 03:02 am: |
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Corey - my question can be answered by Plejarens only. You should ask Billy about it. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 299
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - 10:20 am: |
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Thanks for the recognition Edward.
Having only been studying this stuff for a decade or so, I still consider myself a relative neophyte, not a learned master of the material. Perhaps it took me that decade to really figure out that I was only interested in clearly discerning the truth, whatever it may be, and not in maintaining any of my own preferences for the truth. I'm still irreverent and politically incorrect when I think that the truth is likewise. I still question everything, and work to be ever more open to reevaluating what I know, but now I present my arguments with my name attached.
Yet, I have changed the character of my posts here on this forum. After talking with Christian about it, I decided that I have zero wish to mislead anyone in even the slightest way, so I've toned down my interpretations of the material. It is what it is, and you can make your own sense of it yourself. Perhaps it's best if you develop yer own path unaided by me.
The building and maintenance of a sense of self is very much at the heart of the matter. Am I to identify with the person that I want to think I am? Or shall I simply let myself be? Turns out, both modalities, both ways of being, are necessary, each in moderation. So now I try to build myself in accordance with what I actually am, who i actually is, which is both inconsequential and yet utterly important as well. As I used to often point out, love is the way to finding the wisdom of balance that we need. As soft and simple and deep as it possibly can be, what is love?
Life
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Edward
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Post Number: 2752
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 01:09 am: |
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Hi Gargindia and Corey....
Yes, Corey, I was thinking that what you wrote when I read Gargindia's
posting.
As I understand it, is, that Sanskrit, developed much later in time. It also,
being extractions of certain dialects; which than, made its way to certain
countries and, developed, into other languages, etc.
You, explained it: as it IS!
Edward. |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 06:12 pm: |
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Moderator,
Just curious,why the info from the new Talmud that i put out there wasn't posted, one, i was just trying to answer a question,but the first 20 pages of the Talmud has some great info,anyway just didn't know if there was a reason.
Hi Blake_p,
The second part of that post you referenced page XVII, was that a translation or a summary? If it was a translation, the German should be accompanied with it.
Thanks
Scott
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Blake_p
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 07:17 am: |
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Yea it was a translation, forgot to put it with it, will do in the future.
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Hi Blake
Please read the announcement made re copyright and posting on the forum and elsewhere.
post no.710 of mine
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/3163/3163.html?1361851375
It is recommended one or two sentences only, and if they are translated then you must include the name of the translator, and whether it is official or not. If not then it must be said that it may contain errors.
The copyright info for that publication also needs to be included, as briefly as possible and always the German to be included with the translated material.
The option which prevents all this to be needed is always to do a summary of it in your own words, and of course still including the source and the translator whom you drew from.
You are welcome to repost.
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