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Gargindia
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Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Edward - The issue of Vedic Sanskrit is very important and can be answered by Plejaren High Council only.

It is important for FIGU to know these truths.

It is not a question of I saying something. I am not saying it due to some nationalistic feeling. Our expert will prove to Plejaren that their language is also derived from ancient Sanskrit.

Truth can come out only when two experts sit face to face and then arguments are presented.
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Gargindia
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Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 - 08:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Edward said: "As I understand it, is, that Sanskrit, developed much later in time. It also,
being extractions of certain dialects; which than, made its way to certain
countries and, developed, into other languages, etc."

Sanskrit is not a static language. Sanskrit has evolved over time just like any other human devised language.

However "Vedic" Sanskrit (the language used in Veda only, no other document counts) is a very very old language and is the root of all human languages present anywhere in the Universe.

The Vedic Sanskrit is truly a unique language. But the problem of course is very few people know it in the modern world. We have one such person who can make sense out of Veda.

This person is at the topmost spiritual level. I believe that a face to face discussion with him is necessary as we find gaps in Plejaren view of earth's history (and their own history).

Only complete truth leads to salvation of the spirit. Half truth do not.
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Earthling
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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gargindia, it is clear that your point of view regarding the Vedas, Sanskrit and things related to that are unshakeable and you regard this as the truth, and so would like to help Billy and the Plejaren fill in some gaps that he is missing.

You can write to Billy here: http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/kontakt
Salome,
Bruce
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Stephen_moore
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Gargindia

You wrote "This person is at the topmost spiritual level". What spiritual level would you be referring too?

The spiritual teaching states that on the one hand there is no know topmost spiritual level because it is not know what lays after the know topmost spiritual level of BEING-Absolutum, so BEING-Absolutum is the topmost spiritual level.

On the other hand the topmost spiritual level for a human being is the High Council which are only contactable by technology devices which the Plejaren have. Therefore no one on earth is able to contact them.... With the exception of Billy.

You also wrote "However "Vedic" Sanskrit (the language used in Veda only, no other document counts) is a very very old language and is the root of all human languages present anywhere in the Universe."
This in my thinking is nuts. There is no way the countless human beings throughout the universe all once during the early times spoke the same language. Originally there was 40,353, 607 different races created by Creation and these all did not live on the same planet and also would not of known about each other until space travel was capable.

Salvation of the spirit is in my view erroneous religious nonsense and the spirit, spirit-form does not become evil or ill or bad, the spirit-form is absolutely neutral.

You have a right, the free will to decide what you think is the truth about why you are alive but you must understand that we here at Figu and most on this forum do not follow religions or beliefs.

Salome
www.ufofacts.me.uk - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Corey
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Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder if it is only on Earth that someone would try to compress the uncompressable truth into a small distorted version to suit their own selfish interests instead of contemplating and considering what Billy has written using modesty because the truth does not offer the same lies, deception, and distortions that an Earth religion does. Probably.

Considering this has happened every SINGLE time a prophet has disseminated information on this planet, why should this time be any different? At least this time the truth shall prevail in the long run, if we make it there. Ptaah wasn't kidding that the Earthhuman has lost the ability to realize the truth on his own. Hopefully future generations can see the differences between the truth and untruth as they comb through all of this information...

Salome

Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ferbon
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Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corey

It is interesting what you mentioned about Ptaah's words that Earth human has lost ability to realize the truth on his own. That was probably mostly because since the time of Jmmanuel any reference to the truth got hugely distorted and mixed with fantasies, folklore and deliberate lies.
I think Jacob said recently that if something can be understood doesn't mean that it also can be excused. And the problem with religious fanatics is that they are blind, dumb and deaf...but unfortunately not mute. Because of that the noise they make can never be of any worth until someday they get their senses back. Understanding this doesn't excuse them for making the noise and us for responding with anything else than quotes or references to the truth which can now finally defend itself.
If a fanatic deludes herself/himself with words - let them taste the purity of the truth.

Salome
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Gargindia
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Posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stephen Moore wrote:

"You wrote "This person is at the topmost spiritual level". What spiritual level would you be referring too?

The spiritual teaching states that on the one hand there is no know topmost spiritual level because it is not know what lays after the know topmost spiritual level of BEING-Absolutum, so BEING-Absolutum is the topmost spiritual level.

On the other hand the topmost spiritual level for a human being is the High Council which are only contactable by technology devices which the Plejaren have. Therefore no one on earth is able to contact them.... With the exception of Billy."

My reply:

I am trying to post on this website out of a positive vibe. I see people who are trying to find the truth. Otherwise there are thousands of sects on earth and do not care for even one of them.

My message is an invitation. I do not want to dissect the spiritual levels or talk about the level of Plejaren High Council etc. It is a long held tradition that discussion is held between experts of two different beliefs to remove doubts. This is all I am asking.

"You also wrote "However "Vedic" Sanskrit (the language used in Veda only, no other document counts) is a very very old language and is the root of all human languages present anywhere in the Universe."
This in my thinking is nuts. There is no way the countless human beings throughout the universe all once during the early times spoke the same language. Originally there was 40,353, 607 different races created by Creation and these all did not live on the same planet and also would not of known about each other until space travel was capable."

Veda's language is a special language. I know my statement is very hard to believe but we can prove that even Plejaren's own language has roots in Vedic Sanskrit.

How can Vedic Sanskrit reach other worlds? If we assume Vedic Sanskrit originated on earth, then this question is valid. However if we assume Vedic Sanskrit did not originate on earth, the situation changes.

Information can be transferred telepathically over very long distances without physical travel by spaceships. This is my belief.


"Salvation of the spirit is in my view erroneous religious nonsense and the spirit, spirit-form does not become evil or ill or bad, the spirit-form is absolutely neutral."

Veda says that spirit-form is pure, however it suffers from a defect called 'illusion' due to which it associates itself with material world and the container (body) in which it incarnates. It is lost in bodily pleasures due to this defect.

There are people who are clearly evil - murderers, usurpers, degenerates etc. The question is who is evil? The body or the spirit? Who gives command to the body?

"You have a right, the free will to decide what you think is the truth about why you are alive but you must understand that we here at Figu and most on this forum do not follow religions or beliefs."

I appreciate you do not follow a religion and I have no problem with that.
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Gargindia
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Corey and Ferbon:

It is very interesting that you take your own view as eternal truth without any possibility of discussion.

I call this dictatorship.

I have given you an open invitation to discuss the matter face to face. If you have any problem with Veda, we would like it to come out.

We can have an open discussion with anybody - earth human or Plejaren.
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Ferbon
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Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2013 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gargindia

I don't want to waste yours or my time. The truth can be found in self realization and not in conversation. Words can't do justice to freedom. Please excuse me for not replying to any more of your posts.

take care
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Gargindia
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Ferbon:

I know you do not want to reply to me. But I want to ask you. Hope you will answer;

1. What is 'self realization'?
2. What is 'freedom'?

And freedom of speech should mean more than your freedom of speech and should include other's freedom of speech as well. I hope you understand that. One understands truth only after hard discussion, otherwise it is very easy to get carried away.
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Zaqwsx
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Posted on Sunday, May 26, 2013 - 05:24 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Languages, structures, paragraphs, words and group of words and also letters, numbers and so forth all these derived from human desires to Communicate one's thoughts, ideas, and feelings to others beings. Sensely, no language will emerge if all human beings regardless of consciousness level are capable of telepathic form of communication with exact images, thoughts, events etc. But that is not the case unfortunately, thats why human beings created languages, sounds, words and all alike that ables them to share, talk, and live knowingly with their fellow man. However, every mankind or group of human beings have its own distinvtive way of creating a language; which just as we know it, creates boundless errors.
But no matter how different each language is or how much better one is or however old one is, All languages have one, singular common purpose and that is to say, to communicate feelings and ideas as accurate as possible.
There then, arguing which is which or which is oldest or brightly made is not worth arguing since in first hand, they serve their unified purpose.
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Adityasonakia
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Posted on Sunday, May 26, 2013 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Gargindia,

What ferbon, was trying to convey, I think, was that cognizance can be archived in anything by conducting a research/study of your own to make something your own truth, I.e. something of which you have achieved vast knowledge, but of course such things require lifetimes to learn everything. But we're on our way, progressing everyday.

I would recommend you give the archives in this forum a read to understand more about your questions. That way your own mind can decide your truth.

Take care,

Salome,
Aditya
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Blake_p
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Ferbon,

Post 291 here, quite eloquently said.

And to the other conversation,
If the spirit of Nokodemion had already made it to the first pure spiritual level,first I might add,before anyone,ever, then came back,as the only time ever,then incarnated as Billy as the last prophet of our Earth,who even writes the spiritual teaching for the Plejaren,I'm not exactly sure what he has to learn from any other guru or specialist,and if it was that important I'm quite sure he would of incorporated it into the spiritual teaching or at least made a mention of it in his travels learning all kinds of ways of life.
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Mahigitam
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Hello Garg, I am Mahesh from India. I have studied some texts based on hinduism & Indian philosophy. So, after reading your posts, i just wanted to express my thoughts on your views. So here it goes.


"Your view of 'karma' is mostly out of ignorance. This view is coming from confused Hindus who have fallen prey to thousands of sects. I shall post some material on this website once I see that people are more receptive. For now I shall limit myself to discussion."

The way i see it, some people here are very interested to know about the concept of KARMA, as it was mentioned in the Vedas. Would you be kind to share it with us, Garg ?


"Veda cannot be proven wrong. Only the persons who misrepresent can be proven wrong. Veda is the source of knowledge and human laws for all humans everywhere in the Creation. This fact cannot be opposed by anybody."

I would like to know, how you have come up to your present conviction that Vedas(and not any other texts) cannot be wrong. Many philosophers, scholars who were/are experts in "Hinduism", have different interpretations of Vedas which do not always agree with each other. Do you or your vedic scholar has access to any special type of knowledge which is not available to the rest of the world that proves that Vedas cannot be wrong ?


"Veda asks the dead body to be committed to fire - to destroy sickness (germs) present in the body at the time of death. Human body has absolutely no use after the 'spirit' or 'atma' leaves the body. Another reason is to break the attachment of near and dear ones to the dead person's body....Embalming and display of dead body is strictly prohibited in Veda. The body must be committed to fire within one day of death."

It is true, that cremation was mentioned in the Vedas as the usual method of disposing the dead body. But from what i have searched(might not be reliable sources), it is not the only method there is for 'all-people' in vedic period.

"The RV.(Rig Veda) contains a group of five hymns (x. 14-18) concerned with death and the future life. From them we learn that, though burial was also practised, cremation was the usual method of disposing of the dead, and was the main source of the mythology relating to the future life."
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1780&chapter=94612&layout=html&Itemid=27

"From the earliest Vedic times cremation was the most common means of disposing of a body. There is, however, written evidence that burial and post burial ceremonies also occurred during the Vedic period. The Rg and Atharva Vedas mention both burial and cremation as legitimate methods for the disposal of the dead."
http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Samskaras/ancestors2.html

"Not everyone is cremated. Holy men, lepers and people with small pox have traditionally been buried, with holy men traditionally buried in a vertical position preserved with salt. Small children under two are not cremated because their soul does not need purifying. In many cases today they are not buried but are taken to the middle of the Ganges or another sacred river and dropped to the river bottom with a weighed stone. Families who can not afford the wood for cremation sometimes throw unburned corpses in the Ganges. In some cases an effigy is burned to symbolize cremation. Few people are buried. These are victims of suicide, murder, or some other kind of violence who, it is believed, have souls that will not rest, no matter what is done to the corpse."
http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1343=55=354




"Veda says that spirit-form is pure, however it suffers from a defect called 'illusion' due to which it associates itself with material world and the container (body) in which it incarnates. It is lost in bodily pleasures due to this defect."

What you said sounds close to the philosophy of Sankara - Advaita Vedanta. But there are other Indian philosophers who have argued that if a disembodied spirit-form(SF) is pure, how can it suffer illusion ? They posit that Only impure things suffer illusion and gave arguments for that position - which ofcourse refutes te premise that SF is pure. And there a bunch of other conter-arguments to what you have proposed regarding the SF. We can go into it if you want.



Info regarding the Aryan race can be found in the CRs as mentioned below. Though Meier(afaik) didn't mention the invasion of india by Aryans in CRs.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Appendices

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Garg, the following are the statements made by you on this forum in different threads, which obviously contradicts the what the current knowledge of history and science knew to be the case. And there are very strong counter-arguments of which some have already been putforth to you, which you seems to have not responded to. If you are willing to respind, I am interested to know based on what evidence or logic, have you come to your conclusion.

"I want to share my (vedic) perspective as vedic civilization was present before white man came to earth. Vedic civilization has suffered much due to the actions of the white man."

"Veda were taught this way for about two billion years on earth (by direct transfer from teacher to student verbally) and people had the capacity to remember the entire Veda due to their superior intelligence."
"Arya" race that was present at the time epic Ramayan was written (18.1 million years ago) was a very advanced race. They travelled to distant planet systems and galaxies and took their knowledge and wisdom with them. I suspect even ancestors of Plejaren are influenced by "Arya" people."

"Vedic Sanskrit is the root of all human languages throughout the Creation. This fact cannot be denied. However "Vedic" Sanskrit (the language used in Veda only, no other document counts) is a very very old language and is the root of all human languages present anywhere in the Universe."

"Veda's language is a special language. I know my statement is very hard to believe but we can prove that even Plejaren's own language has roots in Vedic Sanskrit.
How can Vedic Sanskrit reach other worlds? If we assume Vedic Sanskrit originated on earth, then this question is valid. However if we assume Vedic Sanskrit did not originate on earth, the situation changes."

"Information can be transferred telepathically over very long distances without physical travel by spaceships. This is my belief."
If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere - Frank A. Clark
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Earthling
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Check out the carving on this pillar, a recent archaeological find under a Palestinian orchard near Bethlehem. It looks very much like one of the Plejaren symbols, which one, I don't know.

Picture --> http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/05/Tropper-pillar-1.jpg

Article ---> http://www.timesofisrael.com/bible-era-find-intrigues-scholars-despite-attempts-to-hush-it-up/

"A 2,800-year-old pillar discovered by a tour guide under a Palestinian orchard points to major construction dating from Biblical times."
Salome,
Bruce
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Ppc
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Hi guys,

Does anyone know where the REAL idea of the "Biblical Stick/Cane" came from?

Nothing came up on Wiki.

Any thoughts?

Jay
If what you do is being threatened as a profession, that could be scary. But that's the same reason why I walked out on stage many times after receiving death threats. I couldn't live without doing what I wanted to do. So at the same time I have to be willing to die for it.

Marilyn Manson

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Edward
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Hi Jay...


If you are referring to Mose's Cane?

Moses, was an Opportunist, according to Billy.

I was thinking, that the Cane could have had properties just like King
Arthur's Sword? Which was a Staff which could generate beams; which, Arthur
misused against his adversaries. So, Arthur was a real Murderer!

Perhaps, Mose's Cane/Stick was similar to dat; but, limited in destruction?

Did you try the Search Engine, yet?

I thought it was discussed in the past, here?


Edward.
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Ppc
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Edward,

It was a trick question. I already know the answer to my own question.

I was seeing what the first response would be.

The answer is: The IHWHs of the past used it as a symbol of their leadership role in their e.t. government and one IHWH that I know about gave his stick/cane to another e.t. to rule but he was murdered and the person who gave him the Stick knew he would get murdered, this person just did not want to hand over power to someone with as poor morals as himself.

Now, if anyone wants to challenge my correct answer to my own question, they are free to.

Although I don't think the forum wants to discuss how I know my answer etc etc

Jay
If what you do is being threatened as a profession, that could be scary. But that's the same reason why I walked out on stage many times after receiving death threats. I couldn't live without doing what I wanted to do. So at the same time I have to be willing to die for it.

Marilyn Manson

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Ilovebilly
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G'day Edward and Ppc

my thoughts/ponderings

Moses could have had a cane like Thoth and other Egyptians had

Thoth tells of some things it could do

Thoth had a space or air ship he escaped from Atlantis with, when he landed in Egypt the people were brutes who Thoth froze with sound in defense and so he could talk to them, you can unmask demons with ultra sound too, and find water/make a well, i am sure it could do plenty more than that like (definitely) it would disarm psy attacks by blasting with ultrasound to break the persons concentration to then be able to deal with them, if they cant concentrate they have no effect then you can shoot em or put em in a copper room, the demons you gota teleport them into deep space with the widest dispersion pattern to finish them off but ultrasound gets rid of them

i reckon OUR Phantom did some demons in, he hunted serial killers, demons feed on fear, Beam says demons are on earth, i think they are just old negative spirits, Beam could sense them i would think

maybe the cane drew power from a temple or ship, or Djed, the Djed looks like HIGH voltage capacitors

i read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth JUST before i found Wendell Stephens vids

and found the light he told me to look/ask for (Beam)

in this pic it looks like Thoth has a swank cosmic energy collector on?

king arthur scared the beeegeesus out of the countryside with a light saber, anyone who didnt run woulda been cut in two i would think, i bet the Plej was glad to get it back eh eh

thoth

Salome
ilovebilly
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Ppc
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Ilovebilly,

Those are some wild theories. I never read about the Egyptians because in all honesty they weren't as evolved as the various races from the Nokodemion lineage and I'm not interested in those guys (they were just as much of a joke as the M.I.B. Sirians) Nokodemion's line of races were the most advanced in ancient times if you read the ancient earth history material on this forum and elsewhere.

I'm not denying the purported facts about the sticks/canes because I only have one (word deleted) of it's use/purpose.

Interesting read though Ilovebilly and thanks for that.

Does anyone know who Pelegon gave his cane to?

I'm not positive but I think it was Quetzalcoatl.

I just know he gave his cane to someone unlike himself who would rule with more dignity and respect for the primitives of his time..

Jay
If what you do is being threatened as a profession, that could be scary. But that's the same reason why I walked out on stage many times after receiving death threats. I couldn't live without doing what I wanted to do. So at the same time I have to be willing to die for it.

Marilyn Manson

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Ppc
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Readers,

I'm gonna push my luck with the moderators with this next comment and no I can't prove it's just a very vivid memory I have of what I saw in my spiritual vision as an infant in my crib.

I just think that every fact that is put on this forum helps to put together the bigger picture of ancient earth history as it was back then.

Fun Fact: The MIB Sirians wore all black robes with a hood over their heads.

The hood part was all black like their robe and can be compared (besides perhaps the material used) to a "hoodie" that American teenagers and young adults wear in America.

Just thought I'd post that for Norm and others that might be interested in the MIB Sirians.

Regards,
Jay
If what you do is being threatened as a profession, that could be scary. But that's the same reason why I walked out on stage many times after receiving death threats. I couldn't live without doing what I wanted to do. So at the same time I have to be willing to die for it.

Marilyn Manson

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Edward
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Hi Jay....


Moses, was NOT an IHWHs....as far as I know.

So, if I read it correctly, it is referring to this/that....when the
Stick/Cane was passed on.

Of course: Moses, did get murdered, as Billy told.

No, I am not challenging you. Just commenting.

Sure you are speaking of Moses' Stick/cane??


BTW: I did sense...there was some sort of 'premeditated' idea, behind it,
Jay.

You Jay, from the past at PAR? There have been many Jays, here.


Edward.
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Justsayno
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Weirdly the cane looks like a modern day cattle prod. I can definitely see that being used to move the people. Maybe it had a little more power like a taser?
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