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Magic_pie
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2013 - 11:06 am: | 
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Hi Bruce,
You said, "In fact the $USD is valued precisely where it was in 1995." Yes the dollar may be trading in the basket where it was back in 90s, and you will notice currencies like the Australian and Canadian dollar are doing much better now, compared to the dollar.
But here is the problem. HYPERINFLATION. The money supplies of all the respective countries have increased exponentially, from a scale of billions to now trillions -- with not end in sight. This abuse can work as long as the rest of the west prints money, because it becomes a game of "the best of the worst." That is why Billy is concerned now that even his dear Switzerland has entered the game of inflating. Why are the Swiss joining the game? So that they are not too better than the abused currencies, with the dollar leading the way. Billy has been warning about this "money printing," so it is indeed a real problem and not something that will just 'take care of itself." That would be religious thinking.
But as you say Bruce, business is not bad in the west, compared to the starving second and third world. American is a superpower because of her currency that can buy ultra cheap gas compared to the rest of the world to fill up her gas guzzling, overweight vehicle -- and then drive her fat ass nowhere other than to service economies like Burger King.
So how have they managed to rig the scale so that traders think things are normal and all is well? Notice gold prices this year? They have taken a major fall despite all the problems. Gold is the "canary in the coal mine" for all the world's currencies. Many top financial analysts, including the Chinese think that the west have been manipulating gold prices with their "hyperinflated" currencies. The fact remains that the dollar and the other western currencies trade higher when gold falls in price. So the dollar directly benefits from falling gold because traders are convinced that things are getting better and money is moving out of "safe havens" into riskier investments like stocks. And while all this has happening to gold, the US DOW (stock market) is in bull market territory. This market manipulation is of course considered "conspiracy theory" manly by the mainstream media. But the fact remains, the biggest lower and middle class buyers of gold are the Chinese people. While clueless Americans spend their -- one paycheck away from being in the street -- money on a big ass wide screen TVs for their Xboxs, hard working Chinese families have been lining up to buy gold bars and jewelry to be savers. And this was all happening quite strong when gold prices where hundreds of dollars higher than they are now! So what happened when gold fell? It hurt a lot of Chinese savers! Conspiracy theory? All I know is that the world is run by greedy, evil minded - religious - materialists who will walk over dead bodies to get another buck instead of bucking up and taking responsibility for the world financial mess!
Best regards,
Anthony |
Magic_pie
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2013 - 11:35 am: |
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G'day ILB,
You said, "recently 2020 is mentioned that usa could split into 5 countries" I think it is more like 5 regions. I think y'all are thinking that where SB71 says, "the superpower USA could come to an end after 2020" means that the USA as a country comes to an end and dissolves, as Corey thinks. I take this to mean that the country goes on but the USA no longer is a superpower because her currency has collapsed and her entire poor, middle, and even lower rich classes are out in the street. This would be far worse than say, Mexico is today, yet the USA would not dissolve, she would just enter the second or third world. The USA would not vanish from the earth or dissolve into 5 totally new countries; the USA would just go majorly broke, fighting would rule the streets, and the surviving governmental services will become a full fledged police state, with a prison economy still in control. Plus, what everybody is forgetting too, Billy has said that things have changed regarding WW3(4) now that the Pope thing has changed for the better. So the prophesied two civil wars and WW3(4) would likely happen after 2020 -- farther out in the future. Billy does not say for example North America, or the North American 5 new countries may get hammered in WW3(4), he says the USA. So there would have to be a surviving USA around then to be involved in these possible future conflicts.
Cheers!
Anthony |
Earthling
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Post Number: 764
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 04:33 am: |
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Anthony, as you know, paper money is supposedly backed by something of value & gold has been used as this store of value for millenia. The fact is that some day, far off in the future, paper money will not be needed, therefore neither will the gold sitting around in vaults collecting dust, being gaurded by barbed wire & machine guns. Until then, gold will fluctuate relative to everything else the human deems of value at a certain moment in time. When the price of gold declines, gold bugs cry manipulation. When gold rises, all is right in the gold bugs world even though their being right is dependent on an end of the world scenario, chaos, destruction, unrest, unpeace, unhamaneness, stupidity of politicians/central bankers, etc.
I think you would agree that it is far better to have a creative spirit + a human brain than a bar of gold or two or three or ten. Through the stock market, you can place your bets in the form of stocks, with the geniuses of our time, like Warren Buffett or Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, etc ... I would much rather bet on one of them creating more value than a bar of gold increasing in value because gold increasing in value is dependent on the stupidity of central bankers. Nevertheless, gold will certainly have its day in the sun, despite the fact that gold bugs think the sun should never set for gold, which goes against the laws & recommendations of Creation.
So, you can bet on the stupidity of humans (gold) or you can bet on the ability of humans to solve problems, to create, etc (stocks, businesses, art, music, etc )
Every investment has its day in the sun, as does every store of value, including gold, stocks, bonds, art, homes, the $USDollar, etc.
In the prophecies and the contact reports, it says "The USA COULD split into 5 territories" and "the superpower COULD come to an end after 202 .."
"COULD" is the key word
Salome,
Bruce
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Cpl
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Post Number: 663
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 04:50 am: |
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Hi Anthony and Bruce,
It is true that the US$ index as measured against a basket of currencies including the EUR, JPY, GBP, CAD, CHF and the SEK is roughly (not exactly) where it was in 1995. See: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency.
But these currencies have generally been losing value in their own countries -- just like the US$.
On a practical basis for ordinary people it matters how their currency is doing within their own country and how much purchasing power it has lost or gained for them personally.
To illustrate the approximate collapsing value of the US$ (and you can extrapolate to most of the other countries in the "basket"):
$1 of 1913 dollars (when the Federal Reserve was formed) would be worth: $23.81 in 2013.
$1 of 2013 dollars would be worth $0.04 in 1913. The Federal Reserve has destroyed 96% of the value of the US$ in the 100 years of its existence and “management” of the US$.
And from 1995:
$1 of 1995 dollars would be worth $1.53 in 2013.
$1 of 2013 dollars would be worth $0.65 in 1995.
See: http://www.davemanuel.com/inflation-calculator.php.
So if you saved your 1995 $ in the US and went to buy things today in the US with those $ they would get you 35% less than in 1995.
In my book that’s a lot of lost value in just 18 years, and their seems a lot more loss to come. Europe and the US are in this collapsing together; including WWIII/IV if that is to come.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Earthling
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Post Number: 765
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 03:28 am: |
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Chris, agree completely. There most definitely is & has been unstoppable inflation, hence the case for gold, silver, hard assets, stocks, real estate, etc.
Salome,
Bruce
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 777
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 12:25 am: |
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Hi Chris
You make a very good point there Chris and one wonders how far this great ponzi scheme called the economic system can last because it's all debt based in perpetuity where in order for the system to keep going you need to constantly print money out of thin air where the interest on loans can never be repaid ever.
Not only that but this fractional reserve system of lending and borrowing which is the greatest con job ever cannot infinitely go on without collapsing the world economic system over and over again.
The intrinsic problem is the flawed system whereby the majority of the masses and their progeny are enslaved by this debt system where none can pay back the interest let alone the principle in one generation and the illegal tax system of the IRS in US is founded on keeping the servile masses chained and dependent on the very system that is enslaving them.
The US citizens must pressure their non representing representatives to either audit the US Federal Reserve or kick most of the members of congress out of their office until they can get the right ones into office to enable them to get rid of the FR once and for all and give back to government the right to issue their own money.
The light of truth is slowly changing the dynamics but the US and the world haven't got 50 more years for the masses to remain stupid, dumb, ignorant, idiotic, egoistic, self centered, misinformed, disinformed, miseducated, and willfully lazy.
The corporate elitists have already figured everything out and have cast their greedy hands over the fate of humanity by engineering their wealth out of America and into China, Africa, Asia and the Middle East.
They have nothing to worry about because they own and control the system and money.
The economic collapse does not eradicate wealth and monies, it just simply gets redirected elsewhere.
The people behind the war economy (S&B) must also be arrested put behind bars and their grip on power must be shattered into a thousand pieces so that such a thing as the Arab spring can never happen the way it has without the rightful consent of its citizenry in each respective countries and directed by the will of the people rather than the corporate overlords.
Its so easy said than done but the price of no action would be far worse.
Matt Lee |
Magic_pie
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 01:07 pm: |
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Hi Bruce,
Perhaps I did not communicate myself well enough; I don't think you got the "bottom line." The bottom line, at least the way I see it, is that the rich west is living off the backs of the rest of world's poor.
Matt said it, "The economic collapse does not eradicate wealth and monies, it just simply gets redirected elsewhere." Yeah, in this case to China. And all the power to these people. They (the billions of common people) have been screwed around by everybody, their own government, the west, and now the crafty bankers. I am happy for them that they have a brighter future compared to the "fat cat" west, that has a history of abusing things and a history of avoiding responsibility. And yes you are right, this horrible prophecy in SB71, does not have to happen IF these people in charge take responsibility, therefore see the problems, and then offer solutions. WE NEED SOLUTIONS! But those solutions must include compassion and understanding for the rest of the world!
I think ILB can relate to this, growing up as a child one of my favorite shows was "Star Trek." No surprise, I'm sure we are all sci-fi fans here. Anyway, one of the biggest lessons I learned is that no matter how big the problem is, there is always a way to fix it.
I mean the Enterprise starship "has a warp core breach, the hull is fractured, shields are down to 15%, life support is failing, phasers are off line and 3 Klingon battle cruisers have surrounded the ship and have locked phasers and are ready to fire." And with confidence, Captain Kirk looks to Spock, Bones, Scotty, Sulu, and says, "Okay gentlemen, I want answers by O-400hours."
And in the "Might of the Thoughts," Billy talks about how important it is to be optimistic, and to be looking for solutions with neutral-positive-equalised thinking no matter how bad it gets. This is what the world financial leaders need to be doing right now, not putting the printing presses on full, rigging markets(?) in their favor, making money hand over fist, and hoping that the problem will work out itself.
IMO, THE KEY to this particular prophecy are the "US allies." Something that a lot of y'all are forgetting is the proven economic axiom, "When the US sneezes, Europe catches a cold." If the USA collapses, most certainly Europe would collapse too. UNLESS, the US allies (the EU, Canadian dollar, Australian, Kiwi, etc." all said, "We don't trust you anymore USA, we want out of your schemes, we are going to all partner with the Chinese. Notice Ptaah says China's success depends on these (and I would assume how many) side with the Chinese. This of course is all prophecy and not set in stone.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 385
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2013 - 12:22 pm: |
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The Game Changer: Syria Will Strike Israel Should U.S. Attack
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/the-game-changer-syria-will-strike-israel-should-u-s-attack_08262013
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Mpower
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2013 - 03:42 pm: |
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"Giving Israelites no peace until the end of time or until peace ensues"... "a war that wipes out 3/4 of the population of earth"... all i can say is this syria stuff might just be ww3. I live in southern California, US, i saw several of the US Navy warships leaving san diego port a week ago, and united states population become completely wiped out prophetic wise. just took all my money out of the stock market.. |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 331
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 03:36 am: |
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G'day
re: leads back to an origin of an act of war
my thoughts:
when Australia was mediator between N.Korea and USA a few years ago our capitol burnt, most people forget
google: Canberra 500 houses burnt
500 was a VERY low estimate from MSM, Canberra is very small so 500 is a HUGE/BIG #
N.Korea has harrp tech also, was just a test run
TPTB need to recognise this harrp threat and reconsider options for lasting peace
bunkers are not safe either as bunkers are easily found with harrp, and for strategic reasons will be the 1st target before the fires, so dont be in a bunker unless fires approach
and usa harrp could go AI and no way to turn it off
neutral positive will win the day49
dont forget, be like Spock (PRACTICE NOW) you are eternal spirit not just body. we have millions of bodies
every cloud has a silver lining and remember we are truly unstoppable  TRULY
learn now the shortness of material and learn compassion, its THE MAIN reasons WE IS HERE with short lifespan
attachment to anything material is like a fear,will bring tears, attach to spiritual not material, material is like sand
the next life low population, no money, free energy, no religion, no aggression, fountain of youth etc....
if you see Russia invade Iran ww4 most likely imminent says the cc, goto the safe place mates told if possible
forearmed is forewarned, trek says a lot about what might happen,
religion will burn up too
maybe usa FIGU folk move to oz or nz
Get latest trek novel,into darkness, note Spock thoughts especially when he is in the volcano
practice detachment now, its easy with Beams work in ya Spock even enjoys counting seconds and noted how slowly they tick by when only a few left rofl
i know i talk about trek often, someone round here needs too rofl, and lets not forget Lucas,the quotes give strength, know them
consider
save figu books/printouts
get mms1
store a hundred or so kg of rice in the 10kg bags (VERY low cost) so is moringa by kg from alibaba.com direct from india
for trade
fear not for the future wheep not for the past
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 781
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 05:17 am: |
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Hi All
In the interviews Assad comes across as a genuine leader of his people and some of the things he says is right on the money just as Hugo Chavez was.
It doesn't look all that good for Assad at the moment as soon or later the western imperial powers will directly intervene to oust Assad which will cause tremendous havoc in that region not to mention getting everybody involved eventually including China, Russia, Israel, Iran, and the EU states.
Matt Lee |
Earthling
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Post Number: 768
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 06:09 am: |
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Assad, a genuine leader!?!?
he's a psychopath to the Nth degree
obviously something must be done regarding such a genuine leader murdering his own subjects & preferably done in the order of a Nokodemion-style global peace force .. or at least some sort of world-wide coalition ..... Russia & China align themselves with all dictators & dictatorships because that is what they are & they would like no outside interference in their own affairs
Salome,
Bruce
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Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 09:43 am: |
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Reply to Newinitiation:
I have to tell that Assad is not a genuine leader for the people of Syria. His government is just a bunch of crooks that lives well on the expense of the Syrian people.
Also, the "shabiha" units, the private militias that Assad now is very dependent on, is in fact by large parts, filled up by conditionally released criminals and thugs, as rapists, thieves, murderers etc.
It is right now an ongoing movement around the world, there the peoples are going to throw out all criminal "governments" and to re-take what is theirs. It may be a lot of chaos in the future, but the movement is going for true leaders to be elected by their peoples. People of the world, unite, and take what's yours.
This is the next step in the societal evolution that we will see. No country anywhere will be spared from the want of the people. The chains of the past types of govermnents will be broken to give space for the future.
The human spirit is only to be suffocated under dictatorships, so these have to be removed for the sake of spiritual evolution.
Live long and prosper
Med Bsta Hlsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards
/Baselineplayer
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Darren
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Post Number: 351
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 06:05 pm: |
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It doesn't make sense that President Assad would dare use chemical weapons on his own people when the rest of the world is looking on closely. What would make more sense is that Israel is supplying these chemical weapons to the Syrian rebels for them to use on Syrian civilians and then blame it on Assad. Remember Israel has been busted and already claimed using chemical weapons recently in Lebanon and Gaza.
Israel used chemical weapons in Lebanon and Gaza
By Jean Shaoul
24 October 2006
Israel has admitted using phosphorous bombs during the war against Lebanon last summer, just days after being accused by an Italian television documentary programme of using dense inert metal missiles, which are highly carcinogenic, against the Palestinians in Gaza in July and August.
After previously claiming that phosphorous bombs were only used to mark targets, Israeli cabinet minister, Jacob Edery, has now confirmed that the Israeli army made use of phosphorous shells during the war against Hezbollah in attacks against military targets in open ground.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/isra-o24.html
I can't stand how most of the world seem to always turn a blind eye to Israeli war crimes! This is the double standards of the West. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 784
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 05:16 am: |
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Hi my fellow forum members
I said "In the interviews Assad comes across as a genuine leader of his people"
Now without me appearing to play word games 'the perception that (comes across)' is entirely different to a declarative statement that 'he is a genuine leader of his people' which is two entirely different meanings.
Now gentlemen face the fact of reality as it really is, there is no such human leader in the present governments of the world who is a genuine leader for his people and one shouldn't delude oneself by entertaining the possibility that this is possible in the current world order so people should not think in absolutes like either/or.
Even the better one's among them cannot possibly govern without breaking human rights laws because none of them rule in a vacuum but must deal with the extremities of the external world that forces their hand.
Take for example the habit of Zionist sophists use of loaded language to spin by way of double speak whilst the cognitive dissonance it creates is so stark when the word terrorism is bandied about like lollipops.
I mean according to who?
When the Arab Palestinians defend themselves against Israel's attacks they are labelled terrorists but when they do it it is considered honorably defending themselves.
Now where it concerns Assad's Army it is true that when in war atrocities from both sides are an inevitable fact but you must ask yourself what the hell are these foreign mercenaries armed by the Western imperialists doing in Syria.
Obviously you can't disregard the religious divide among different Arab tribes who are constantly at war with each other but this perpetual tit for tat warring can never end especially when the Western powers use it to their advantage.
And so back to Assad
He has every right to defend his country from external attacks just as you fellas would against a home intruder.
If people call him a despot, authoritarian and a megalomaniac then fine by me but this simplistic labeling of a person does not afford anyone an adequate truth to the matter and a meaningful dialogue to get at the truth.
You must understand that the Arab Spring wasn't incited by the will of its people alone but fomented by the corporate elites who've planned this for many years and everything is now playing out to their exact script.
The USA has a long history of using their secret service to depose elected governments not in favour of their interests and agendas so why should Syria's predicaments be any different.
Access and control of oil before the Chinese and Russian influence in the middle east and Africa make this impossible is the agenda simply put.
These Arab countries are the casualties of excess greed for might by the Western imperialists and corporate elites.
Of course you can't talk about the middle east without talking about Israel as it's interests closely follows the US so you guys will also have to consider what their role is in this conflict.
I know I know but there is so much disinformation out there that sometimes its so difficult to separate the lies from the truth from any source even among the reliable ones.
See Assad's interview and full speech and make up you own minds
What I can 100% unequivocally guarantee to you fellas is that there is no such thing as 100% truth in any information out there as evidenced by Billy and the Plejaren's own mistakes that they gladly display.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIF7Xx1JiVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGeGHVAjG5c
Matt Lee |
Joe
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Post Number: 268
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 05:17 am: |
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Baselineplayer,
If I may ask, how do you know for sure that the Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is not a genuine leader and that his government are just a bunch of crooks? The reason why I'm asking you this question is because Bashar al-Assad has the support of about 70% of the Syrian population.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178779.html
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but isn't it possible that there might be other countries that want to make the Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and his government look bad for their own agendas? |
Rintintin
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 06:31 pm: |
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Hi...
I just heard this news on a radio station...
Vladimir Putin has signed right now a deal with the president of Iran to give nuclear technology for the development of nuclear weapons in less than 6 months.
With Russian help's the Iranians will have from 10 to 20 atomic bombs in less than 6 months. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 349
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 04:54 pm: |
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Yep, it doesn't make sense that Assad would dare use chemical weapons when he has the full might of the military behind him. I'd be very surprised if I'd found out later through reading the Contact Notes that he used chemical weapons. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 06:14 pm: |
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We can all choose our sides, but who here really knows what is going on in the Middle East? We are so manipulated, all we know for sure is that we can't trust our media to say anything without first considering how to spin it to the benefit of Tzion.
Life
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Matt
Member
Post Number: 350
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 05:34 pm: |
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Assad doesn't need to use chemical weapons. |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 770
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 05:29 am: |
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This is all great news, that -
1. Assad doesn't need to use chemical weapons .. therefore, since he is such a great guy and a genuine leader of his citizenry, as evidenced by those videos shared here, and not to mention that "he has the full might of the military behind him" to slaughter his own citizenry, he would never do such a thing as resort to the use of chemical weapons to aid in the slaughter of his subjects and fellow human beings.
2. That Putin is giving Iran nuclear technology for the development of nuclear weapons in less than 6 months.
3. That "These Arab countries are the casualties of excess greed for might by the Western imperialists and corporate elites.", therefore the high values of self-responsibility & self-reliance do not apply to them and they can blame others for their problems, as has been done since time immemorial by losers & total zeroes.
4. That "Access and control of oil before the Chinese and Russian influence in the middle east and Africa make this impossible is the agenda simply put.", therefore if only China & Russia had gotten to the middle east & Africa before the US Americans or European Imperialists, everything would be so much better for them & the world in general because China & Russia should be a model for peace on earth & the humanitarianism they practice at home as evidenced by their spotless history.
Salome,
Bruce
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 929
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 04:44 am: |
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Assad using chemical weapons ..... more like mainstream global media using weapons of mass deception to frame him in the public eye in order to justify military intervention via the side door.
Saddam then Gaddafi now Assad with Iran next.
Three with oil and one a threat to Israel .....
Cheers.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 712
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 06:25 am: |
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> Let's also rmemeber to take a peak at what was said in the Henoch Prophecies about Russia ultimately INVADING Iran. So perhaps not everything that meets the eye is exactly what is real and true, etc. |
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