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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 800 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bruce lets just leave it at that shall we and I am not going to bring it up any further. We've had our say so lets move on to more important issues and knowledge at hand that is in the best interest of everyone. As for gravity, I don't know either and I am just speculating here but with such destructive cosmic forces such as asteroids and meteor impact on earth, I wonder how much bearing it had on gravity of earth in ancient past seeing as some of them like the artificially induced asteroids which ripped out huge chunks of the continent of Atlantis by the people from Mu basically tore deep into the lithosphere or even deep as the mantle itself. I wonder how the magnetic field of the earth was disrupted and as a consequence the gravity as well. There are 2 episodes of asteroid impact besides the one on Atlantis which wiped out nearly the entire lifeforms on earth around 200 million and 65 million years ago in the contact notes that I can recall from the top of my head but I am certain that there was more that Billy and the Plejaren didn't mention. I just can't accept how a human being as tall as a 10m giant could possibly move around or even able to live with so much force bearing down on his body. If we consider the physical problems such as joint inflammation and bone fractures so prevalent on the tallest members of our fellow earthlings when even the tallest among them weren't even a third the height of the tallest ancient giants it begs the question were the giants helped by the right genetics, lower forces of gravity, technology (special suits), lower atmospheric pressure or some other unknown or even mundane reasons. Its still a mystery how the ancients could have moved heavy blocks of stones with some weighing over 1000 tonnes just boggles the mind and to think that they've done it with such primitive methods of wooden rollers and sledge, if we exclude the occasions where they used ET antigravity technology of telekinesis, just doesn't make any sense at all unless there were giants and lesser gravity involved in the equation. Check this out and try to fathom how the ancients could have moved this block with conventional means. I can't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_the_Pregnant_Woman Matt Lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 668 Registered: 08-2004 |
Billy does maintain that the stones were moved by ordinary people using simple means. Here is one man showing how the stones at Stonehenge could have been moved and erected quite simply, possibly by one man and easily by several men. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-EMOhbJ9U Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 08-2010 |
On the pyramids. Quetzal explained to Billy that they were built using human labor forces for decades and extraterrestrial technology. Salome, Eddie | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 803 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Gentlemen Thank you for the input gentlemen Chris when I saw that video you've put up approximately a couple of years ago I thought to myself "fantastic" yet "can they do it without scratching the hell out of the stones" seeing as the stones in the Giza pyramids and elsewhere indicates machining within 1/1000 of an inch and the surface as smooth as a babies bottom such devices used in the video may have been used when the stones were in its raw stage but not in the final. What Eddie indicated about Billy's position which I am fully aware for a number of years prompted me to come to my speculative conclusions but I am of the position like we all know by now that Billy has a tendency to state only part of the truth and will only reveal information when and if the time is ripe when we have solved the puzzle ourselves therefore excluding levitational means, sledges, ropes, rollers, pulleys, wooden cranes, winches, capstans, tread-wheels, lifting towers, windmills, waterwheels, and rails I just can't reconcile the notion that stones weighing tens of tonnes if not hundreds of tonnes could be quarried, cut, formed, turned over several times in the process, moved, lifted onto a barge then delivered hundreds of miles to be unloaded and then delivered to the site of installation perfectly cuts in situ with chisels and hammers then lifted to a height of up to 150 meters and positioned perfectly so that not even a razor blade could fit between the stones just doesn't make sense to me with my limited intelligence and understanding. Most everywhere in the site of ancient monuments, pyramids, temples and buildings you have statue of Gods, kings, beings and giants. I ask myself is it literal, allegorical, metaphorical or mythical interpretation and wonder why? My assessment is that average sized human power with sophisticated lifting and delivery means alone could not have handled these stones alone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites unless giants and lesser gravity was involved in the equation. I am fully aware that I am most probably wrong but I require proof and evidence to dispel my wild theory. Matt Lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 669 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Matt, "can they do it without scratching the hell out of the stones"...? He is just an ordinary guy giving it a go. I'm sure if something like that were actually used they would have used something much more finely tuned for such a major job. I'm not an engineer but just using a half spherical (even approximate) stone, or even disk, flat side up would enable a much smoother and easier still operation and probably eliminate any scratching of the top block; the semi spherical stone would rotate on the bottom stone which is unimportant and would take any such minor wear or scratching. I've read the accuracy of the stones is within 1/100 of an inch rather than 1/1000, and their spacing 1/50 of an inch apart. (The outer casing stones are, of course, another enigma challenging our understanding.) For basically cubic blocks I do not see this as absolutely impossible for ancient people with exceptional guides. There are, however, IMO more complicated and inexplicable ancient stone machinations witnessed in countries in South America evidencing machining that does defy the use of the merely ancient techniques or methodologies we presume were available at the time; but those are another story. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 06-2009 |
According to Ptaah, Gustave Whitehead was the true pioneer of powered flight and not the Wright brothers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead contact 557 excerpt Everything comes to us that belongs to us if we create the capacity to receive it - Rabindranath Tagore | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 804 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Chris you said 'IMO more complicated and inexplicable ancient stone machinations witnessed in countries in South America evidencing machining that does defy the use of the merely ancient techniques or methodologies' Its simply amazing to revisit the past of the ancients to witness the incredible work of theirs that are just mind boggling even with all our modern highly sophisticated technology. I think we have to give them more credit than what the modern scientists give them credit for which they prefer to deny knowing that their fragile egos would not be able to handle the truth. I mean this is one example among many where Christopher Dunn has done some great research building his case that there was machining involved on these structures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku But as yet the mystery of how the ancients had erected the stone monuments is still open to debate. Matt Lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 805 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Smukhuti To this day I just can't ignore the possibility that the Germans received significant help from the ETs because along with the information you have provided about Gustave Whitehead who is a German, there are countless other scientists who are of Germanic decent who have made enormous contributions to science and technology among many other fields. Just taking a cursory glance at the list of Nobel laureates gives the reader a big clue as to why there are so many German represented compared to other nationals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_scientists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country Although list by country but not by per capita has USA and UK ahead of the Germans, the list of laureates on these two respective countries has many German born emigrants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita But also taking into consideration the unfathomable advanced German military technology during WW2 (WW3) and their forced contribution of the USA space program under project paperclip and the Soviet space program as well and Werner Von Braun's confession that ETs had helped them during the war there is no doubt in my mind that the Germans did receive some kind of assistance from not just the Plejaren but also the Giza Intelligences and the Bafath. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_paperclip Matt Lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 670 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Matt, Yes. Pumapunku is exactly what I was thinking of. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2421 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, According to this info: http://www.tjresearch.info/OM.htm King Solomon had access to the "Wisdom Proverbs" which are listed in the OM, Canon 32. I wonder how was he able to access them, were they in written form at the time, or were they somehow conveyed to him? Has anyone read anything in the contact notes about this? Thanks Scott | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 686 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Matt, The Plejaren did not help Germans during WWII. The Plejaren allies do send out impulses to writers, directors, scientists, and during or before WWII Plejaren or Baawi must have had such impulse contactees who were German citizens, but it was not their fault that the German authority/Nazi regime forced these scientists to work for them. This was especially true in the areas of disc shape crafts that the third Reich were pursuing. On the other hand, the Giza guys, through direct contact with the Thule society influenced Hitler in a negative manner and were responsible for Hitler turning "rogue" . Bigotry tries to keep truth safe in its hand with a grip that kills it - Rabindranath Tagore | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 498 Registered: 12-2009 |
Scott, In the OM 2011 edition there was something about King Solomo (Solomon) who had access to those wise sayings and then over time they were falsified. I'll dig up OM and reread the intro and repost any additional information I find out. They could have been left over from the prophet Henok's time who put those and other items in written form and they were also all falsified over time... Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2422 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Corey | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 499 Registered: 12-2009 |
Scott, OM was originally written 389,000 years ago under King Solomon, but was crassly falsified. Some of that was because of different lanquages (originating directly form Lyrians) that were components of the original-OM that were not known to him which resulted in a mangled finished product. Today, the OM in it's truthly original form is published by Billy with help from Ptaah. Erklärungen page IX OM 2011 edition: "Im weiteren sind die im OM erscheindenden Weisheitssprüche zu erwähnen, die ebenfalls bereits 389 000 Jahre vor der heutigen Zeit im Original-OM niedergeschrieben waren unter den salomonischen Sprüchen. Wie in der Bibel nun fälschlich behauptet wird, haben die Weisheitssprüche ihren Ursprung bei König Salomo. Dies stimmt aber gerade nicht, denn König Salomo hat seine gasamten Weisheitssprüche aus dem Ur-OM entnommen and teilweise sogar in stark verfälschter Form wiedergeben. Der Ursprung der Weisheitssprüche als geht ebenfalls auf die Lyraner zurück, in deren Sprache die Weisheitssprüche als SALOMONISCHE WEISHEITEN benannt sind, was in die deutsche Sprache übersetzt soviel bedeutet wie WEISHEITSSPRUECHE DES FRIEDENS, wobei mehrere Uebersetzungsformen Verwendung finden können, die aber grundlegend immer dasselbe aussagen. Also haben die Sprüche des König Salomo nichts mit ihm zu tun, ausser dass er sie aus dem Ur-OM entlehnt and teiweise krass verfälscht wiedergegeben hat. Gleiches aber ist auch geschehen mit anderen Sprüchen der Weisheit and mit Zitaten, die nicht durch König Salomo bekannt wurdern, die aber auch ein Bestandteil des Ur-OM waren. Oft bis zur Unkenntlichkeit verstümmelt, sind seher viele von ihnen bis in die heutige Zeit erhalten geblieben und fälschlicherweise Menschen zugesprochen wordern, die sie jedoch nur benutzt und verfälscht haben. Diese Weisheiten und Zitate nun sind auch im letztmalig und jetzt gegebenen OM selbstverständlich wieder enthalten, jedoch in ihrer wahrheitlichen Urform, neuerlich niedergeschrieben durch Billy, im Auftrage seiner selbst und des JHWH der Erde: JSCHWJSCH PTAHH vom Planeten Erra, im Sternbild der Plejaren." * Salome Corey * page IX explanation OM 2011 Edition/Copyright 1987/2011 FIGU Wassermannzeit-Verlag OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 817 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Smukhuti The Plejaren definition of what constitutes an ET person is still vague and up in the air, that is, for me at least because when I say that "I just can't ignore the possibility that the Germans received significant help from the ETs", I did consider the Bafath, Giza Intelligences, the Sirian renegades and other cohorts from the Beta centauri as being extraterrestrials unless of course the Plejaren have other ideas about this definition. The german scientists of that era had a major hand in the development of the atom bomb for which the giza intelligences were responsible for imparting the knowledge of. To also consider how technologically advanced the German science and military technology was at the time just doesn't accord with logic unless an extraterrestrial help is factored into the equation and there is a story out there that Von braun had stated privately that they indeed had help from ETs which does make sense in a way seeing as Germany was a mess after the first world war and there is no way that within such a short period of time that they could've developed such an advanced technology in so many fields on their own. But I know that I could be wrong on my assumptions and conjecture. But thanks anyway for the refresher. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 943 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Newinitiation, Your post 817 makes sense. It's often such obvious logic those wearing blinkers find difficult to grasp. I think the Germans simply never had the resources to develop a working explosive a bomb so opted for creating a "dirty bomb" ..... regular explosives with an attached container of radioactive material designed to depopulate and make cities - industrial areas uninhabitable which would have affected the allies war effort. Cheers. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 820 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Ramirez I am glad that someone else besides me had suspected this although its a no brainer that due to the Plejaren not being allowed to interfere in the Giza Intelligence's activities here on earth, I suspect that their activities encompasses so much more than what Billy has stated in the past and present and I'll even go so far as to make an outlandish conjecture that president Eisenhower had been contacted by the Giza Intelligences. From this I have concluded from so many stories out there of Eisenhower having met an ET and the fact that the Plejaren unequivocally reject this notion suggests that according to the Plejaren, the Giza Intelligences does not by definition fall into the ET category. This also leads me to conjecture that Admiral Byrd's expedition was ruthlessly decimated by the remaining Nazis with the help of the Giza Intelligences against the Antarctic fleet. On another issue of the GI influence, Aleister Crowley, Madam Blavatsky, Alice bailey, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, were among the 700 odd people steered through GI's telenotic devices. All major wars that we've had prior to May 1978 must also be attributed to the GI and not in the least the current economic system that we humanity have been enslaved with. I mean it must boggle the mind of the extent of the GI's activities here on earth since they've been here and that only our distant future generations will be privy to the full extent of the knowledge when they've achieved the necessary technologies to uncover it all. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 821 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Just to continue on about the GI's activities here on earth my speculation is that they were also responsible for making some of the crop circles not to mention influencing Betty and Barney Hill. I guess post GI deportation the current 95% of crop circles are frauds but the rest of that 5% would in more likely case can be attributed to the descendents of the old Gods or remnants of the Atlantian and Mu civilisations who went underground after the cataclysmic war with each other. This is just my speculation. From having considered what is stated in the contact notes I gather that to the Plejaren, the descendents of Atlantis and Mu along with the GIs wouldn't fall into the extraterrestrial category but earth residents and what categories as ETs are non residents of earth much as a person who has immigrated from Poland to the USA and taken up citizenship and residency status would be considered an American rather than Polish. Just on the genuine crop circles with anomalous and hard to explain characteristics, these descendents of Atantis and Mu must have some sort of beaming devices that imprint these complex formations on crops hence these formations appearing out of nowhere overnight without absolutely no witnesses to these events. If it involves highly evolved technologies which obviously is beyond us normal earthling's capabilities (although not 100% certain) this must mean that through the interference of the electromagnetism of the earth, these people must be imprinting them to send some sort of message to us surface dwellers. Some of the flying UFO craft observed by us surface dwellers must also be attributed to these people. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 945 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Newinitiation, With Aleister Crowley and Alice Bailey i'd tend to agree they were on the wrong path certainly Crowley who was a very poor specimen to be considered an ideal role model though Helena Blavatsky did try to create something useful to a degree of success. Also .... one of the present C49 was Helena Blavatsky. But ..... theosophy hardly makes much sense compared to what Billy Meier has on offer which is the difference. It's not really mystical, rather in your face common sense plain as day for the most part which is how it should be ..... no swami mysticalus hidden meanings house of cards which delivers the absolute mumbo jumbo it could be anything depending on who interprets it in which way as so many secret doctrines are famous for. Remember that one of the influential members of Theosophy was Manly P Hall ..... quite an accomplished personality who seemed to know a great deal .... more than he should. His lectures from the 60s onwards are a delight to listen to and contain some material similar to Billy's which BTW you can find over 35 of on yoo toob. The rockerchilds ..... oh my what a sad bunch for sure and yes the global economic system is basically legalized fraud on a massive scale. Well ..... let's get optimistic and consider a positive outcome .... for something at least. Have you ever thought about why the new papa lives frugally in a small apartment and cooks his own food ? Remember Johny Paul 1 ..... who lasted 33 days before getting a mickey slipped into his tea from a cardinal .... precautions against palace coups. It dont pay to rock the boat in sunny downtown vaticano if that's his intention but already he shows a few signs of reform .... well except for fast tracking all those new sainties. Yes some day all this will be ancient earth history. Cheers. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2423 Registered: 12-1999 |
Ramirez, One of the Core Group 49 was Helena Blavatsky? Where did you hear this from? Thanks Scott | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 785 Registered: 05-2008 |
Ramirez, Helena Petrova Blavatsky died 122 years ago in 1891, far before FIGU's birth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky Salome, Bruce | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2011 |
If that was ever true, it's definitely news to me! Sorry but I just don't buy it! "Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new." | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 946 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Scott, From Quetzal i think ..... in a contact report or bulletin conversation. There are so many and there is no publicly released index so ..... who can remember. This is what makes things so awkward ..... no index unless as you read them then copy to wordpad docs with notations in the heading about pertinent subjects discussed and create your own as i have started to do. Cheers. |
