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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2426
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2013 - 06:41 pm: | 
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Hi Corey,
There are numerous movies/videos out which depict the events of 9/11. As you, I am perplexed by the Plejarens response, but perhaps for safety reasons certain things must remain unspoken at this time.
Salome |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 360
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 12:00 am: |
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Newinitiation, thanks for those links! They look interesting and will check them out in more detail when I have time. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 361
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 03:14 am: |
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This is humorous, self explanatory and almost impossible to dispute.
WTC7 -- This is an Orange
2 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 856
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 04:34 am: |
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Hi Darren
Certain information revealed too prematurely would be dangerous.
Are you aware of the 1st Apollo mission hoax and the conversation between the Plejaren and Billy about this topic?
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 857
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 04:43 am: |
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Hi Corey
Apparently Dr Judy's analysis dismantles the theories put forth by Dumas in Loose Change.
I am two minds about this and maybe a combination of bombs on planes, planted bombs inside the building and the directed energy weapons were all used on 911.
Could Duma's be an unwitting victim of disinformation?
Or could he be one of them?
I can't prove it but some of the proponent of 'inside job' theory may not be aware of this shadowy group or it may turn out that they form part of the disinformation campaign to scapegoat the government or this illusive 'illuminati' boogeymen.
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 858
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 04:46 am: |
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Hi Matt
could the group within a group Billy mentions be part of the government or has Billy made a clear distinction by saying that it wasn't an inside job therefore a conspiracy theory.
Your guess is as good as mine
Matt Lee |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 954
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 05:55 am: |
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Perplexed ..... only ....
Two planes 3 buildings including a 47 level steel framed one not struck by anything fall.
A Boeing 757 airliner supposedly crashes into and vanishes through a 16 foot diameter hole in the side of a building with the expected vast amount of wreckage expected nowhere to be found ..... wow that's even more magical than a talking snake isn't it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77
On the face of it given those two situations you might imagine a rational person would say .... no way ..... there's an illusion involved .....
9/11 = Disneyland ..... some doctors heal, others spin.
Cheers.
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 859
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 06:00 am: |
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Hi Celesco
I hope you recover from your addiction Celesco and achieve your inner and outer freedom.
And my golly you are right as I too have my demons and addiction to cigarettes and sometimes I do tend to tell rational lies (rationalise)to myself from guilt trips that I need or want to quit when secretly I really don't.
I am also guilty of being too judgmental at times like the idiots Billy mentioned in his article about 'the wrong way' and criticism and criticism that at time I need to step back and look at myself in the mirror.
I do ask myself frequently what makes me so special or darn too self righteous about my lack of culpability in certain matters to pass critical judgement about other people's wrongful actions.
But could my level of empathy for the sufferings of others be a double edged sword, meaning that since I haven't learnt to let go, I am still bound by my aspiration to want a better world if not for selfish motives, at least for others as I confront the ills of society that I can't turn a blind eye to because of its consequences (as corny as this sounds).
I need to quote our prophet himself who does the best job in the world of accurately describe the basis of where I am coming from
"For their purpose they do not shrink in horror from either any kind of war crimes, or from knowingly killing children and women through well-considered attacks of the air force and ground troops, which they, however, deny in every case, and meanwhile describe the entire thing as oversights and the like. Today I stayed in the Lebanese war area and, with horror, had to recognize the real truth which is not recognized by the world and also is kept secret from the Israeli people." Ptaah, July 11th, 2006
"In my opinion, keeping silent does not mean neutrality, rather tolerance and the promotion of the political, punishment-related, religious, militaristic and terrorist atrocities. Every human who knows these things, and thereby the truth of the facts, and is silent over them, makes himself guilty of irresponsibility and of a crime against all humans who come to death or damage through political, militaristic, religious, sectarian, war-related, criminal and terrorist behaviors and actions. Neutrality means, therefore, also to be active in relation to bearing responsibility in regard to the open naming and denouncing of the existing facts and the wrong ways of behavior of all those who govern the world, as, however, also all their myrmidons and vassals who carry out their orders in ways of war, terrorism or other ways unworthy of humans. Silence is never compatible with neutrality, because this requires that the effective facts of war, terror of destruction, murder, torture, wrong punishment-orders and rape, and so forth, become openly and clearly named, and indeed in regard to all contracting parties and persons. He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible." Billy, July 11th, 2006
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.SB26.IsraelLebanon.htm
Auch in bezug der Kritik soll der Mensch immer die effective Wahrheit sagen, und also soll er niemals um der Bosheit und der Kritik willen kritisieren.
Also in regard to criticism the human should always tell the effective truth and therefore he should never criticise for the sake of malice and criticism.
Im Normalfall, wenn die Wahrheit gesagt wird, ist die Kritik wohltuend und den Fortschritt fördernd, und zwar auch dann, wenn die Wahrheit mit harten Worten zum Ausdruck gebracht wird.
Normally if the truth is stated, the criticism is beneficial and progress is furthered and indeed also then when the truth is expressed with hard words.
Niemals ist es aber angebracht und muss vermieden werden, dass andere Menschen böswillig, niederträchtig und aus einer reinen negativen Sicht der Dinge heraus durch eine negative Kritik verletzt oder benachteiligt werden.
However it is never appropriate and must be avoided that other humans are injured or discriminated against maliciously and meanly and through a negative criticism out of a pure negative view of things.
Jede positive, gute Kritik in bezug auf Fehler und Falsches muss immer auf effectiven Fakten und damit auf absoluter Wahrheit beruhen, wobei die Kritik übende Person eigens völlig frei sein muss von den kritisch beanstandeten Dingen, die dem Nächsten aufgezeigt werden.
Every positive, good criticism in regard to mistakes and wrongs must always be based on effective facts and thereby on absolute truth, whereby the person exercising the criticism must be completely free from the critically contested things which are pointed out in the neighbor.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sww.kritikundkritik.htm
Der irren Erdenmenschen Weg führt immer mehr in die blanke, hemmungslose und unberechenbare Gewalt, in die Unvernunft und in Gedanken, Gefühle, Taten und Handlungen des Wahnsinns, die gesamthaft nicht mehr kontrolliert werden können.
The mistaken Earth-human way leads more and more to naked, unimpeded and incalculable force, to irrationality and to thoughts, feelings, deeds and acts of insanity, which, altogether, can no longer be controlled.
Das Ganze wird immer krasser, verbrecherischer, gemeiner, extremer, menschenwürdig konträr, bösartiger sowie menschen- und lebensverachtender, teuflischer und tödlicher, wobei wirkliche Liebe, Freiheit und Harmonie ebenso immer in weitere Fernen rücken wie auch ein effectiver Frieden.
The whole thing becomes ever crasser, more criminal, meaner, more extreme, contrary in a way unworthy of being called human, more malicious as well as more despising of humans and life, more fiendish and deadlier, whereby real love, freedom and harmony recede just as much into the distance as does an effective peace.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.azl152.sww69.htm
The Hard Language of Truth
508. Wahrheitliche und gute Propheten und Wahrheitsbringer aber, die sind niemals demütig und niemals irgendwelchen Dingen und Verlockungen willfährig.
508. But truthful and good prophets and bringers of truth are never humble and never compliant with enticements and such things.
509. Weder ihre Sprache noch ihr Benehmen sind einschmeichelnd, und ihre Art und Weise die Wahrheit zu sagen ist schneidend, tieftreffend und in einer Form, die nicht geliebt wird.
509. Neither their speech nor their demeanor is ingratiating, and their style and manner of saying the truth is cutting, deeply striking, and in a form that is not loved.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv6p379.htm
Die Bewusstseinsrevolutionisten sind jene, die sich, um Fortschritt und Evolution bemühen, die um staatlich gerechtere Verfassungen und gegen die Todesstrafe kämpfen, sich für wahre Gerechtigkeit und Menschlichkeit einsetzen und notleidenden Menschen wirkliche Hilfe angedeihen lassen.
The consciousness revolutionaries are those who make the effort themselves with progress and evolution, who fight for more just legal constitutions and against the death penalty, who themselves establish true justice and humanity and grant real help to the humans that suffer in need.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sww.p186.htm |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 787
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 06:06 am: |
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Regarding building 7 - it sustained structural damage from WTC tower falling debris as it was only 350 feet away .. it had 7 diesel generators in its ground floors containing tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel. The building was burning uncontrolled for 7 hours before its steel structure designed to withstand so-called normal fires finally gave way. Do you think the engineers had an epic 7 hour roast in mind when they designed their 'fire-proof' structure?
The Titanic was designed never to sink but guess what? Things are designed not to fail, but.. they fail, none the less, which is part of the learning process. You don't fly a man to the moon on the first try... you don't get a nationwide health-care system right on the first take .. you don't get to the first spiritual levels in one life-time.
Regarding the unsinkable Titanic - have you read about the conspiracy that the US government has concealed all these years with the help of the British in order to foment the beginnings for WW1 which would lead to WW2 and with it, the US becoming the dominant world power at Germany & Russia's expense? Yeah, the US & British wanted world domination (with the help of the Jews, of course) so they concocted schemes (the unsinkable Titanic sinking) to pit Germany against the Russians... you know, the old divide and conquer routine. Took a few decades and tens of millions of lives but worked like a charm.
The bulk of these conspiracy theories are thought up and promoted by those who wish to take power for themselves and control their dumb sheep fellow human beings through their wild disinformation techniques learned by example of those time-tested masters of disinformation, none other than the Giza Intelligences - iow, 'belief makes slaves' and not 'knowledge moves mountains'.
Maybe the reason the Plejaren haven't said anything about Building 7 is because there is nothing to say about it.
Regarding conspiracy theories: match up your common sense against the agenda and beliefs of the conspiracy theory promoters. Many of them make a living off the gullibility and credulity of their fellow men.
ie - http://www.bielek.com/stewart.htm
Go ahead Dyson, if you are reading this, make my day! 
btw, Dyson may be this worlds preeminent expert on Building 7.
Salome,
Bruce
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Vincent
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 01:43 pm: |
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Hi Michael Horn,
I listened to some of your radio interviews and I want to say that I really enjoyed them! You do a great job talking about the Meier case!
I would like to ask a question if that is ok. If you were asked on radio about the 9/11 attacks and if they were an inside job, would you say the Plejaren's message that it was not an inside job or would you say something different? Your own thoughts?
Like Scott and others, I'm also perplexed why they said it wasn't an inside job. |
Pendrake
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 02:21 pm: |
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Just as hypothetical, no way of knowing for sure i guess , however I've wondered before if there isnt anything more in what billy says that what would immediately meet the eye - he said that the reason the towers fell was because of explosives 'in' the planes,
Well actually if one is to subscribe to the no-plane theory - what we are dealing with are 2 high explosive drone spheres that were guided in remotely - subsequently with the planes being superimposed over these via digital effect (digital composites/overlays would be the term(s)) - the details , all of which, are surprisingly enough , quite compellingly expressed/delineated in the online documentary 'September Clues.' Admittedly at first one of the more challenging theories yet however still - complete with farcical eyebrow-raising elements of plane nose-in/nose-out massive blunder - and roadrunner style plane vanishing
into the towers outlandishness etc. etc. the list goes on and on.
Thus again - going back to what billy said - explosives 'in' the planes - thus maybe Billy being knowingly cryptic here on that front. And so in this way providing an incline as to the possible real (somewhat startling) truth yet also a way of obviously playing it safe.
Anyway getting back to topic - on the WW3 front - the following development looks to be a bit ominous..
http://www.disclose.tv/news/Israel_said_to_be_working_with_Saudi_Arabia_on_Iran_strike_plan/96055 |
Kiwiseeker
Member
Post Number: 111
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 11:18 pm: |
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Newinitiation,
You hit the nail on the head! Dr. Judy Wood - I have followed her for some time - website,book, lectures & recently on Youtube "Dr Judy Wood at the Breakthrough Energy Movement Conference". What she calls 'dustification' due to a DEW. So convincing. |
Mark92111
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 11:32 pm: |
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I gather the reason the Plejaren do not talk about the so called conspiracy side of 9-11 is that they do not interfere with governments. |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 748
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 02:50 pm: |
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> Hi Vincent,
Thanks for your support, I appreciate it.
I don't absoutely know what happened on that day. When I turned on the TV and saw the building collapsing my first thoughts were - like many other people's - that I was watching a controlled demolition-like effect.
When I'm asked about 9/11 and the Meier information, as with many things that I don't know one way or the other, I generally preface my responses with, "According to the information in the case…" If I know something form my own research/experience then I can state it as such. |
Vincent
Member
Post Number: 31
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 05:17 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
The reason I asked is because I imagine that most people who listened to those radio shows you go on are conspiracy theorists and I think most of them believe that 9/11 was an inside job. If they hear the Plejaren say that 9/11 was not an inside job, I fear that most people would in turn think that the Meier case is a hoax instead. That would be a great shame in my opinion. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 362
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 05:53 pm: |
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Hi Newinitiation,
Yes, I'm aware of all that.
Earthling,
What you suggested about the reason for the possible collapse of WTC 7 does not add up. Buildings simply do not come down like that due to fires. And I didn't see footage of WTC building 7 "roasting" for 7 hours as you claim. I seen footage of several small isolated fires. Nothing of which I would think could bring a building down like that.
And why are you trying to attack Dyson for? It's not nice to do that to people who are not here anymore.
More like your the one pretending to be the world's expert on WTC 7 with your stupid 7 hour roasting theory. |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 788
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 04:25 am: |
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Darren,
Regarding your incorrect assessment and subsequent assertion that I have attacked Dyson; you have obviously misunderstood the intent of my words. I have basically asked him to chime in on the subject as I have not researched Building 7 and he has done extensive research on it.
Since you have not seen the fires on WTC 7 and have obviously done even less research on WTC than I have; Look for yourself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html
Regarding my 'stupid 7 hour roasting theory', the facts remain that the building had been burning for 7 hours when it finally gave way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#9.2F11_and_collapse
"As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[34] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[13] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[13] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[35][36]
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[37] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[38][39] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[34] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[40] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[41] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[42] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[43] At 5:20:33 pm EDT, the building started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, and at 5:21:10 pm EDT it collapsed completely.[5][44] There were no casualties associated with the collapse."
Salome,
Bruce
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Melissa
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 06:52 am: |
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Earthling,
Wasn't it the Lusitania which was the pawn to start war?
-Melissa
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 789
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 12:33 pm: |
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Melissa, don't know if the Lusitania was a pawn to start the war or just a casualty of it.
I was being facetious regarding any Titanic false flag conspiracy theory.
Salome,
Bruce
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Joe
Member
Post Number: 284
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 01:31 pm: |
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Earthling,
Thank you for the interesting post about WTC 7.
Ptaah does not lie. When he basically said that 9/11 was not an inside job, I think he was speaking the truth. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 363
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 05:52 pm: |
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Earthling,
firstly you said -
"it had 7 diesel generators in its ground floors containing tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel. The building was burning uncontrolled for 7 hours before its steel structure designed to withstand so-called normal fires finally gave way. Do you think the engineers had an epic 7 hour roast in mind when they designed their 'fire-proof' structure?"
1. There was no fires burning on the ground floors due to tens of thousands of gallons diesel fuel from the generators. That video clearly shows nothing burnt from the 6th-7th floor down. If all that diesel was on fire, thick black smoke would surely be visible because that what happens when diesel fuel burns. So that theory is clearly incorrect.
2. That video shows no massive epic roast of WTC 7 building. And as seen on the film "Loose Change" it shows other burning buildings around the world that really did roast for 15-23 hours AND on many more floors then WTC 7 did. THEY DID NOT COLLAPSE. How come that WTC 7 did in complete controlled demolition fashion??
3. All those windows on those floors look like they were blown out by bombs, not fires?
4. That video/news article came out on 2 November 2011. Why the huge delay when all these conspiracy theories and questions about WTC 7 were being demanded? Is it a CGI generated video? Just wondering.
That news article says -
"Conspiracy theorists take issue with that account, believing instead that the government was involved in the placement of explosive devices throughout the New York buildings, and even go so far to say that the incident at the Pentagon was caused by a missile rather than a plane."
Why don't they go on to explain how a big airliner can disappear into an 18 foot hole in the Pentagon with no plane or plane debris in sight visible??
In your earlier post you said -
"Maybe the reason the Plejaren haven't said anything about Building 7 is because there is nothing to say about it."
Does the same thing also apply for the mysterious Pentagon attack because there is nothing to say about it?
Sorry, but I don't buy any of it. I think WTC 7 and the Pentagon attack were both an inside job. |
Kiwiseeker
Member
Post Number: 112
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 08:28 pm: |
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Earthling,
It seems as if you have a conspiracy theory concerning so-called conspiracy theorists! If you made the effort to study the data collected by Judy Wood concerning all of the WTC buildings, you would come to the conclusion that a disintegration process is occurring. Dont focus on just one building. Judy approaches her investigation from a scientific point of view, starting with the data collected from observations. It seems pretty obvious to me; then again I have spent a lifetime immersed in physics/science and the experimental method.
Who did it? My best bet is the Mossad and that it was allowed to happen by those who could have stopped it. False flags (such as USS Liberty incident; Gulf of Tonkin incident)have happened before and will be used again - of course this can conveniently be labelled as a conspiracy theory! |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 860
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 08:34 pm: |
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Hi Charles/Kiwiseeker
Long time no talk Charles, I hope you've been well.
I think we have Dr Judy Wood to thank first for her ground breaking work and the amount of effort she put into her work amidst all the threat she has received.
Did you know that her assistant was murdered?
Hows that for sending a message to her to back off.
These scums will engage in such despicable crimes to silence the truth anyway they can and I wouldn't be surprise that even this forum is infested with such a vermin or two stealthily going about diverting the forum members attention away from the real truth by pretending to play the devils advocate all behind their elaborate mask within a mask of pretension.
People have to remember here that just because a person is a member of this forum purporting to be a Billy Meier supporters and using the spiritual lingo doesn't automatically make that person a genuine supporter until they can show with substance their allegiance to the truth by becoming it and exhibiting the spiritual values and principles through their deeds, attitudes, persona, intentions, and so on.
This aspect is very hard to fabricate without being noticed I would imagine and people do eventually revealed themselves for who they really are.
And for such a scum and vermin to do so would amount to nothing less than an insult to the intelligence of the forum members here who are far more intelligent than what these scums give us credit for.
But back to Dr Judy Wood
We would also have to thank Dyson for providing the link to her site back around 2006 or early 2007 when the talk of 911 was at its most fever pitch.
I don't want to rehash this again anymore as it will just get nowhere and divert the focus once again away from Billy's information.
This is probably why the general section on this forum has been locked
Of course I did bring up Dr Judy Wood once again but not with the intention of starting the debate about 911 but to merely say that she needs all the support she can get that's all.
cheers
Matt Lee |
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