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Ilovebilly
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Posted on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Chinese are selling air now, some guy is making millions doing it.

Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings.
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Andyv24
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Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2013 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am starting to understand this forum is not exactly the place to be discussing personal matters... but, at the risk of offending in this manner again:

I will begin studying for an environmental law degree in the fall--at a very environmentally-minded law school no less. With this opportunity before me I was hoping for some guidance. I am wanting to go in with a little focus. The question is, short of human overpopulation, which I shall surely discuss (but fear is an issue that will not be taken serious enough for quite some time), what other areas of our gross environmental stewardship most demand urgent correction? If the goal is to do the most good, what are wise avenues to pursue, campaigns to champion?

Obviously I will be having to make my own study, work, and career decisions, but I was hoping, considering the kind of folks, the kind of knowledge amidst on this forum, that some might like to offer their two cents to an aspiring environmental lawyer...? Thanks
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Fisher
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 03:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Andyv24,

I am in my final year of a Law degree. Your question about wise avenues is one that has been on my mind for a long time. I would also be extremely keen to hear opinions from a figu perspective about the implementation of law in accordance with right reason.

Regarding your situation, I wish you all the best. If you can survive the drudgery of reading endless Judgments and texts on cases and still come out with a passion for protecting anything besides your sanity then I commend you. I can only say that I have achieved this so far with Billy's help.

Salome
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Edward
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 03:02 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Andyv24...


Well, the usage of Fossil Fuel, should be mentioned, I would think?

That/this, is also WHY WARS, are being fought. We take the Saddam Hoessein,
invasion, as example.

As Billy mentioned, we should have already come-up with some Alternative
Energy Source some 40-50 years ago! But, of course, with OIL, there is more
to be earned$$$$$!

For, me, the mentioned should have priority. Acquire a Natural Alternative
Energy Source...if possible. We are 'boxing up' against, some Powerful
Forces, we have to keep in mind!

Fossil Fuels, are also associated with the Contamination and Pollution of our
dear Planet, Mother Earth. Thus, this is worth mentioning, I would say?


'Good Luck', with your studies....


Edward.
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Michaelhelfert
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Suing potentially responsible parties for inaction has successful precedent, although the case may take decades to develop. Put NASA and the CIA in the crosshairs if you care about diverting Apophis. Determine who are the actors pushing the policy of feigned innocent neglect, and sue them in a global court for attempted genocide, intentional or otherwise, for in final analysis that is what they are up to. After Apophis... which is no small thing to dismiss

1. Petroleum-based business/economic models infer direct liability in all sorts of ways for the damages that they cause. Cases might be built around the subsidence and earthquakes extraction can cause, the poisoning of both ground and surface waters, and the impacts upon air quality. Additionally, you might wish to start climbing the hill of suppressed alternative energy modalities by developing a series of legal precedents - there should be enough evidence in the open to develop cases concerning this, and if not, subpena, subpoena, subpoena!
2. Less directly, the destruction of old growth/wilderness areas has huge impacts upon the quality of life on this planet, which can be quantified for legal precedent, especially in terms of carbon sinks. Generally, the more plebeian seem less concerned with the loss of biodiversity than with the impacts upon their business models, so if you can determine the benefits of old growth/wilderness areas upon the common business models you can build cases.
3. Oceans growing more acidic has definite economic consequences.
4. The globally changing climate has many people working on the issue already. If you want for experience, perhaps you can work with groups focused on this issue. It's not commonly recognized yet that planetary carbon cascade is a real danger, probably because the ramifications are just too horrible to consider, so that's something you could add to the discussion.
5. The irresponsibility of overpop unaddressed by large-scale governments should find a way to make it into court, since democratic governments likely won't address this issue unless they are forced to it.
6. Pollution has far-reaching consequences. There are still many areas of the globe where impactful polluting practices are largely ignored.
7. Radioactive pollution is a largely hidden field, ripe pickings for various kinds of lawsuits.

Because environmental cases so often lack point sources, you will have to do the science, the preceding groundwork, much more thoroughly than for other cases. These are cases that can easily take huge blocks of time, money, and manpower to bring to fruition. Funding environmental groups is a good way to make sure your experts are available more cheaply. PR groups also may make your dollars go further by getting more people interested in the topics. Your opponents will almost certainly have (psuedo...) scientists on their payrolls. To counter this, you might consider funding idealistic grad students with grants and scholarships, but to do this in a socially responsible manner you should always try to help them proceed with their careers as well.

Remember our system of law is only set up to keep the least common denominators of society (regardless of how wealthy/influential they may be) in line with basic morality and a minimum of common sense, so you will have to pander to this minimum line, rather than an ideal, if you wish to actually win cases. In this arena you are basically a (private) government worker, so use the mantra "Health, Safety, and Welfare", only as applied to the whole of Mother Earth rather than a few of its citizens.

Hope that helps.
Life
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Andyv24
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Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2013 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fisher,

Thanks for your humorous down-to-earth comments. Good luck with the bar this summer!

Edward,

Yes this was one of my first thoughts to my own question. I understand deep geo-thermal is the FIGU answer here...?

Michael,

Yes, that does help. Thank you for your extensive comments. I will look at them closer soon.

Regards,
Andy
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Phi_spiral
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Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2013 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Andy, Fisher and aspiring environmental lawyers everywhere…

One environmental cause that gets very little public attention and yet is extremely important for the survival of this planet is the protection and preservation of earth’s biotopes. Biotopes are ecosystems consisting of natural water features, associated aquatic and insect life as well as diverse water flora and all the life-forms dependent on them. Examples would be pools, ponds, wet grasslands, moors, marshes, woods, thin meadows, lakes, running brooks, creeks, etc.

Billy has written a small book about the importance of these biotopes for our survival on the planet. The booklet, Biotope, is meant to be a “call to arms” for every human on the planet to form an active alliance with our environment. It goes beyond the need to simply protect what remaining biotopes there are but stresses the need to actively and conscientiously build new biotopes to replace those already destroyed or badly damaged. The booklet contains construction drawings of how to artificially build new biotopes staying as faithful to nature as possible since nature is always the best model.

By human negligence and profit avarice, in the last decades and in particular from 1981, environmental interferences have entered in the form of land developers, industrialists and bad farming practices which are now signifying the inevitable destruction and death for fauna and flora and eventually for man and planet earth if the insanity is not stopped once and for all.
The fact is that a healthy world needs natural biotopes from which insects, amphibians and other life forms go out as the cycle of nature is so arranged, an important link in the chain to the life preservation of the planet and man. The plant world of biotopes are extremely important, because they are the consumers of different poison materials which they pull from the atmosphere and are deadly for humans in excess amounts and produce oxygen which all life forms of the earth need so much.

In nature one life form depends on another; one life form is present and so created that it can serve again as food. Thus, e.g., insects serve the birds and amphibians and they in turn serve distinct reptiles as well as plants serve higher life forms, partly as a nectar donator, partly as a direct feed. Everything again serves together with they decease, return to the earth as fertilization and as food for the micro-organisms by which the cycle continues, because the micro-organisms create again fuels as food for plants and new acid connections for the becoming of new life.

Here is a link to the book:
https://figu.org/shop/schriften/informationsschriften/biotope

Regards
Bob
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Fisher
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Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Andyv24,

On a more serious note I have a small warning for you about the field of environmental law.

I live in a country of just under 5 million people with an international image for a clean environment but this is rapidly changing. This change for the worse is assisted in part by a now very large society of smart and well meaning environmental lawyers. It goes like this: Young student with a conscience and passion for saving the planet goes to law school with the goal of making a difference in the world (sound familiar). Upon graduation the student must find a job (you can't just go straight into big litigation without the experience or resources), so depending on the students grades and other various factors a job is obtained. Then comes the first client, let's say a small supermarket chain wishing to open a new store. They need your specialist services because they have encountered some opposition from locals who believe the new store will have a damaging effect on the native bird population. Your task is to prove to the court that the environmental effect will be minimal and the locals have nothing to worry about. So what do you do? Bite your tongue and do what you're paid to do (remembering your mountain of student debt) or hold your head up high and walk out of the job?

Of course not all cases you would encounter go like this but a large percentage do. Remember that it is big money that can afford legal representation and it is big money that doesn't seem to mind destroying the environment. When I left high school 16 years ago a friend of mine went off to University to become a world saving environmental lawyer. He is more concerned now with the cost of his kids' private school education and where to go on holiday next year than the environment. This is the way life often goes as circumstances change.

My advice is this:

1. Don't be "that guy". Don't let them get to you. Follow the path that you know is right and don't listen when your fellow students land big paying jobs and tell you that you're a fool for having scruples. While at law school look for the non-profits who need help taking on those big corporates, and do your best to find an avenue of work that satisfies both your desire to help the environment and your need for food to eat and clothes to wear.

2. Find ways to support a sustainable environment in your own personal life. By saying no for example to a plastic bag at the supermarket checkout you not only reduce the consumption of bags by one but you also offer an opportunity to the shopper behind you to consider your action and perhaps come to his own conclusion about it. This type of drop-in-the ocean action ultimately has more power than a big lawsuit.

3. Most of all keep reading Billy's material. Your fellow students will find you a bit odd (at least that is my experience) but they will ultimately learn from you. I can honestly say that if I did not have access to Billy's knowledge and the help of a mentor who has known Billy for 30 years then I would likely have become "that guy".

Sorry about the long post everyone.

Salome
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Andyv24
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Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fisher,

It was a nagging concern of mine...who pays lawyers to protect the common living space, the environment?

Truly, I really appreciate the encouragement--Thank you Fisher. Hopefully your thoughtful post will come to mind should I ever consider "selling out"...

I shall not be 'that guy'!

Take care.
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Corey
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Posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure where to put this: http://news.yahoo.com/big-earthquakes-create-global-scale-gps-errors-144104992.html?pt=Array

Side effects because of earthquakes. Will this get worse as earthquakes increase in the future?

Salome

Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Edward
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Posted on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Corey....


Yeah, that would indeed, make quite a stir!

I think the Military will have the most problems! GPS and some other systems
run by them!! Not, only the commercial companies.

They will have to UPDATE, each time there is an Earth quake??

We know how bad it is when your car Navigate System does not work right and
instead of driving into the right street....you drive into the woods or off a
bridge, etc.!!

Something to ponder about.....



Edward.
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Melissa
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Posted on Friday, June 21, 2013 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interesting,

From: http://earthquake-report.com/2013/05/27/wordwide-volcano-activity-copahue-volcano-chile-alert-raised-to-red/

Recent earthquake activity at Mount Shasta volcano, California – (Rodger Wilson – June 21 – 16:06 UTC)
An average of about one earthquake a day has occurred at the volcano since 11 June. This is somewhat unusual for the volcano since it typically displays a relatively low rate of earthquake occurrence.

I understand that due to the poles shifting, ice melting, plates moving, volcanoes, floods, that also earthquakes will increase.

The pole was shifting towards Greenland last.
-Melissa
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Andyv24
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I vaguely recall reading in the material that it was important to always protect your head - to wear headcover - if one was spending an extended period of time in the sun so as to help protect yer noggin from harmful radiations from the sun. Is this right? Was this in the info? Do people here follow this recommendation?
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Scott
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Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it may have been in the Goblet of Truth, regarding protecting your head from the sun
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Kbanthis
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I was reading Kelch der Wahrheit - Goblet of the Truth and read this in it. I follow it, and every recommendation in the book, as well as all the Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens - Teaching of Truth , Teaching of Spirit , Teaching of Life.

Page 170 (244 of 443)

41)Und betretet ihr, Mann oder Weib, ein Haus oder ein Land, dann begrüsst in gebührlicher (angemessener)Weise jene, welche darinnen sind; und so ihr beim Eintreten und der Begrüssung eine Bedeckung eures Hauptes tragt, dann nehmt sie vom Haupt und zeugt damit von eurer Freiheit und Würde, also sollt ihr gleichsam tun; und habt ihr euer Angesicht verdeckt, dann nehmt die Bedeckung weg, wenn ihr in ein Haus oder Land eintretet,
auf dass die anderen eure Redlichkeit erkennen (sehen); und bedeckt euer Haupt und euer An gesicht vor dem Schein (Strahlen) der Sonne, vor den Wettern (Wettereinflüssen) und vor Sand und Sturm, auf dass nicht eure Haut und euer Kopf (Gehirn) Schaden nehme und erkranke; doch bedeckt euer Haupt nie vor Göttern und Götzen und vor Euresgleichen (Menschen), die das von euch fordern, denn es ist eine Schänd lichkeit (Schlechtigkeit), in Demut das Haupt bedecken zu müssen; und also bedeckt nicht euer Angesicht vor
Euresgleichen (Mitmenschen), denn die Bedeckung des Angesichts bedeutet, böse Schande oder Unrecht
zu verbergen; also geht hin und tragt eure Be deckung des Hauptes und eures Angesichts, wenn es der Zustand (Situation = Sonne/Wetterverhältnisse/Sand/Sturm) erfordert, doch lasst euch nicht durch das Tragen von Be deckungen für das Haupt und das Angesicht in Demut fallen.

41) And if you, whether man or woman, enter a house or a country then greet in a seemly (commensurate) way those who are within it; and if you are wearing a cover on your head as you enter and at the greeting, then remove it from your head and thereby show that you have freedom and dignity, therefore you shall do the same; and if you have covered your face, then remove the covering when you enter a house or a country so
that the others may recognise (see) your uprightness; and cover your head and your face from the light (rays) of the sun, against the weather (influences of the weather) and against sand and storm so that your skin and your head (brain) are not harmed and do not sicken; but never cover your head before gods and tin gods and
before people of your kind (human beings) who demand the same from you, because it is disgraceful to have to cover your head in submission; and therefore do not cover your face before people of your kind (fellow human beings), because covering the face means concealing evil defilement or non-right; therefore go forth and wear your covering for your head and your face if the condition (situation = sun/weather conditions/sand/storm) demands it, yet do not allow yourselves to fall into submissiveness through wearing coverings for your head and face.
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Matthew
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Startling new translation from 1970 Russian Academic book sheds light on safe levels of Electronic Radiation: Weather radar, communications satellites microwave devices/communications, radio astronomy, mobile phones, wireless LAN, Bluetooth, ZigBee, GPS, amateur radio) Phones, WiFi, etc!!!

NASA got their information from this book written in 1970, which identified some of the potential side effects of Microwave (Electronic) Radiation.

The book, entitled, "Influence of Microwave Radiation on the Organism of Man and Animals" was collated and edited by Professor I. R. Petrov from the 'Academy of Medical Sciences of the USSR'. The book contains 24 illustrations, 36 tables, and a bibliography of 521 citations.

Conclusions from that book have been made by Dr. Magda Havas, PhD. (Available here: http://www.magdahavas.com/pick-of-the-week-16-russian-translation-microwave-radiation-influence-on-man-and-animals-1970/)

Comments in green from here on in. Please note: The following may contain errors. If NASA and Russia knew of these radiation effects in 1970, why has not more evidence come forth? Seems to me they were only interested in developing this tech. for military/industrial purposes = HAARP, The internet, Phones, etc.? Maybe they should be more careful and refine their use and knowledge of these new frequencies and WE should be aware of the possible side-effects to us until they do. So what are the side effects?.

(Dr. Havas says....)
"...the various aspects of the effects of microwaves on the organism...encompasses the millimetric, centimetric, decimetric, and metric bands, which have been found to differ greatly in biological effectiveness." (Microwave ovens, WiFi, phone signals put out centrimetric waves that are S band waves with frequencies ranging from 2 to 4GHz and a wavelength range of 7.5 cm to 15 cm)

Generally there is a...)
"...rise in body temperature" (...with...) "...the millimetric waves (...that...) border on the infrared range of the electromagnetic spectrum. When we come to the decimetric and metric waves, the penetration into the organism is so deep that vitally important organs may be heated... High-intensity microwaves present a serious hazard to the lens of the eye, the testicles and the mucosa of the stomach (intestine). Possibilities are irreversible changes in the form of cataracts, degenerative changes in the germinal epithelium and in the form of ulceration of the gastrointestinal mucosa (as established in rabbit experiments). It is noted that the damage to these organs cannot always be explained by a temperature increase in them."

(It's not just about heat radiation there are other types...) "Quite possibly, the familiar law of Bergonie-Tribondeau can be applied to the action of microwaves: the sensitivity of tissues is directly proportional to the rate of cell division in them and inversely proportional to the degree of differentiation. It is known that the rate of cell division is very high in the testicles and gastrointestinal mucosa."

(There's also the...) "...presence of a nonthermal (specific) microwave effect." (OK - what's that?) "It appears that this specific effect is encountered along with the thermal effect just asunder exposure to electromagnetic radiation in other bands: visible, ultraviolet, x-ray, etc. There is, of course, the difference that the nonthermal effect is determined in those cases by the quantum energy (E = hV). In the microwave band, the quantum energy is, as we know, negligibly small (averaging 10-6 eV), so that the mechanism of the nonthermal microwave effect is totally different and still not understood... Since the quantum energy is too small in the microwave band to cause rupture of even the weakest chemical bonds in any of the biological structures, several theories of a molecular mechanism /206 of microwave action have been suggested. The theory of the specifically thermal effect, the theory of nonthermal protein coagulation (resulting from resonant vibrations of the side chains in the protein molecules), the "string of pearls" theory, the theory of disturbance to electromagnetic function regulation, and others have been advanced."

"Direct changes in metabolic processes in the CNS are also possible under exposure to longer microwaves (wavelength greater than 10 cm). This may be accompanied by distinct changes in reflex activity."
(Could explain increasing tiredness feelings in people, etc.) (...and the...)"...breakdown of stability in the organism may be one of the symptoms of the development of clinical changes." (Oh crap!)

"Clinical observations showed that asthenic phenomena appear most frequently in chronically irradiated subjects. The picture is usually that of the asthenovegetative syndrome (...otherwise know as being in a vegetative state... mind numbing effects...) with neurocirculatory disturbances. As a rule, the onset of the sickness in man is associated with complaints of headache, rapid fatiguing, and disturbed sleep, i.e., we are dealing with functional changes of the CNS. Later, these complaints become more severe, but when irradiation is terminated soon enough, for example, during a furlough, they may vanish comparatively quickly. (That's good so human beings CAN restore themselves if out of range of these signals but what are the long-term effects? Maybe we are seeing them everywhere? Tests in the book show that the heart and brain are more difficult to effect than other more exposed body parts, like, eyes and testicles!)

"Attention is drawn to the importance... of the specific working conditions, which must be taken into account in the development of the pathological process, since microwaves frequently act in combination with other harmful factors."

(Here comes the useful stuff...)

"Here it was taken into account that the lowest intensity at which quite stable functional shifts are possible occurs at PFD's above 1mW/cm2 and exposure times longer than 1 hour (for wavelength = 10 cm). This was manifested in the form of an experimental neurosis in dogs and by increased tremor of the hands during performance of certain coordinated movements and by other shifts in humans; in persons subject to chronic microwave irradiation, it took the form of an asthenovegetative syndrome."

("Asthenovegetative syndrome": Tiredness, Chronic fatigue syndrome, CFS, also known as ME (myalgic encephalomyelitis) is a potentially disabling neurological disorder. Article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-32348/Are-tired-time-You-ill.html...

As to how long an exposure, say at work, is safe...)

"On the basis of this figure, one-tenth of the radiant intensity, i.e., 0.1 mW/cm2, was recommended as the safe level for exposure throughout the working day (rounded off to 10 hours). For a tenfold hygienic safety margin, arrived at in view of the varying ages, individual sensitivities, etc., a still lower (by a factor of 10) intensity, i.e., 0.01 mW/cm2 (10 microW/cm2) has been recommended as the maximum permissible level. It is this level that is regarded as the maximum permissible in our country for the irradiation of specialists working with the electronic equipment throughout their working day."

(OK we have indications of safe levels: 0.01 mW/cm2. Current levels with mobile bandwidths, wireless bandwidths, 3G, are around 0.07 mW/cm2!)

"...almost nothing is known concerning the molecular-cellular changes; our information on the mechanism of the nonthermal effects on various organs and systems is inadequate, and little study has been given to the peculiarities of the microwave effect on the permeability of cell membranes, tissue respiration, etc."

(I'm not particularly comfortable with that lack of available data... much better to know!)

"During chromospheric flares - eleven-year solar-activity maxima - the organism enters external conditions and its adaptive mechanisms may be inadequate. This is accompanied by various functional disturbances and a lowering of the organism's resistance."

(So the sun does have an effect on our immunity too as Billy mentioned!)

Source: I. R. Petrov, Academy of Medical Sciences of the USSR Translation of "Vliyaniye SVCh-Izlucheniya na Organizm Cheloveka i Zhivotnykh. II
"Meditsina" Press, Leningrad, 1970
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION, NASA TT F-708.

Effects of Electronic Radiation discussed in the following Contact Reports here:
Contact Report 249 Translation.
Date/time of contact: Monday, June 13th, 1994, 11:36 p.m.
Contact Report 226.
Date/time of contact: Friday, February 3, 1989, 12:07 PM

Put simply: WiFi emits about 0.07 mW/cm2 intermittently. With signals emitting from everywhere then that is probably what we are getting hit with in built up areas. 0.01 mW/cm2 was recommended by Dr. Magda Havas as being the safest level! 0.1 mW/cm2 is recommended only for 10 hours as serious effects start to show. At 1 mW/cm2 dogs became neurotic and hands shook. Supposedly safe levels for Canada = 1 mW/cm2, America = 10 mW/cm2.



Matthew
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Newinitiation
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Hi All

America will burn!

Pleiadian-Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 8

329th Contact

Saturday, August 3rd, 2002, 8:16AM

pages 447 & 448

74. The raging rolling fire in the USA in regard to the burning forests you have mentioned, corresponds, as a matter of fact, to the statements of the prophecies, yet they establish only a part of that there, because, in the more distant time, a still much worse fire will rage, that will move there across the United States and leads back to an origin of an act of war.


Yosemite fire swallowing everything in its path

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57599975/yosemite-fire-swallowing-everything-in-its-path/
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Earthling
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Dearest Matt "America will burn!" Lee,

see what you can do about containing your uncontained enthusiasm and uncontained glee regarding the wonderful events of America burning, wildlife, fauna & flora meeting miserable, painful deaths, not to mention the same for your fellow human beings.

Just like that wildfire raging out of control, so it seems does the true love for your fellow human being, the fuana, the flora and life in general.
Salome,
Bruce
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Ilovebilly
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G'day Newinitiation

re: leads back to an origin of an act of war

when Australia was mediator between N.Korea and USA a few years ago our capitol burnt, most people forget

google: Canberra 500 houses burnt

500 was a VERY low estimate from MSM, Canberra is very small so 500 is a HUGE/BIG #

N.Korea has harrp tech also, was just a test run

TPTB need to recognise this harrp threat and reconsider options for lasting peace

bunkers are not safe either as bunkers are easily found with harrp, and for strategic reasons will be the 1st target before the fires, so dont be in a bunker unless fires approach

and usa harrp could go AI and no way to turn it off

neutral positive will win the day49
dont forget, be like Spock (PRACTICE NOW) you are eternal spirit not just body. we have millions of bodies

Earthling its just the ! made it look like glee

save figu books/printouts
get mms1
store a hundred or so kg of rice in the 10kg bags (VERY low cost) so is moringa by kg from alibaba.com direct from india
for trade

figu folk like to shout things,dosnt mean we is mean ;)

every cloud has a silver lining and remember we are truly unstoppable :-) TRULY

learn now the shortness of material and learn compassion, its THE MAIN reasons WE IS HERE
BUT attachment to anything material is like a fear,will bring tears, attach to spiritual not material, material is like sand

the next life low population, no money, free energy, no religion, no aggression, fountain of youth etc....

if you see Russia invade Iran ww4 imminent, goto the safe place mates told if possible
forearmed is forewarned, trek says a lot about what might happen,

religion will burn up too

maybe usa FIGU folk move to oz or nz

Get latest trek novel,into darkness, note Spock thoughts especially when he is in the volcano
practice detachment now, its easy with Beams work in ya :-) Spock even enjoys counting seconds and noted how slowly they tick by when only a few left rofl

i know i talk about trek often, someone round here needs too rofl, and lets not forget Lucas,the quotes give strength, know them

Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Earthling

I don't know if you've checked this translation work by Gaiaguys but that is the title given "The United States will burn", so I am not too far off.

As for my supposed glee you are referring to, you are wrong Bruce but I guess my fault for forgetting to provide the link to the article to cause this misunderstanding.

My intention for putting this up was to possibly add an additional corroboration to Billy Meier's prophetic information.

Of course I can't prove that this fire originated from an act of war but I have my own suspicion that due to the Western power's possession of HAARP technology, they are using it on one another to cause environmental catastrophe for political purposes.

If you do some research the plethora of natural catastrophes always seem to happen at a very crucial time in world politics.

Just check out the unusual numbers of earthquake which happened in Iran vs what could be possible according to logic by natural means and look at the period in which they've occurred.
The most casualty suffered was during war period in the region, that being the 1st gulf war and the 2nd respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Iran

Also check out the Russian flood from last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Russian_floods

I suspect that there is this tit for tat silent war going on between Russia, USA, China and the EU through the use of these secret weapons.

They have to undermine each other and what better way than to weaken the enemy's economy and if you weaken their economy you weaken their resources which leads to weakened front in geopolitics.

It all has to do with access to oil and resources and the USA's lifeline happens to be the Middle East's oil deposits.
Think back to the oil embargo caused by the Saudi's in the 70's and you will understand just how crucial the black gold from that region is for USA to maintain its power as the world's only hegemony.

Draw yourself a mindmap and tie in all the crucial episodes in world politics of the 20th and 21st century by linking it with each other and then compare the period in which they've occurred along with the outcome of those events and you will appreciate the bigger picture and the cause and effect relations.

Nothing happens in a vacuum and all events are inextricably intertwined and interconnected in such a way that if you see the effect you can follow it backwards to come to the cause.


Matt Lee
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Earthling
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Posted on Monday, August 26, 2013 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK Matt .. I take you at your word


btw, America will drown!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/global-warming-flooding_n_3799019.html

"14 U.S. Cities That Could Disappear Over The Next Century, Thanks To Global Warming"
Salome,
Bruce
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 05:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No worries earthling

Anyhow I have a bit of a concern that the tropical cyclone Kong-Rey which is headed for the east sea between Korea and Japan, if caused by HAARP would do a lot of damage to the North Koreans.

I could be way off but I have my suspicion that an environmental catastrophe, however it is caused, in N.K could help the US tremendously in getting the N.Koreans to beg for food and medical aid which can be used by the US and S.Korea as a bargaining chip to twist their arms into giving up their pursuit for furthering their nuclear weapons program.
Not only that but if this cyclone wreaks tremendous havoc and cause damage to the N.Korean nuclear power plant and weapons production facilities, then this represents added bonus for the US as this represent a proxy war against the Chinese who likewise support N.Korea to wage a proxy war against the US in the same way that S.Korea is used by the US to further its goals.

Matt Lee
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Posted on Sunday, November 24, 2013 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you haven't seen it yet here is A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945. Starting off slowly it soon speeds up to show man's degradation of his planet Earth. It gives a very sobering picture of just how badly our planet has already been nuked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
Chris

Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.

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