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    Norm Member Post Number: 1495 Registered: 02-2000 |
Why Is Population A Taboo Subject?? http://vimeo.com/63142517 My Website | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 365 Registered: 04-2006 |
Norm, I haven't watched that video but my guess is that it is partly due to religions (go forth and multiply) and partly due to economic reasons. The population needs to grow to sustain economic growth which economies depend on. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 367 Registered: 09-2011 |
Overpop isn't the taboo subject. Race relations is. Overpop just complicates the issue. Life | ||
Achim_wolf Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2013 |
Around the year 1804 there lived for the first time more than 1 billion people on our planet. By 1928, two billion were reached. 1960 we were 3 billion people on Mother Earth. And so the increase went on: 1975: 4 billion / 1987: 5 Billion / 1999: 6 billion / 2011: 7 billion (official figures, in which case those living in the underground and jungles surely are not taken into account). If the birth rate remains the same – or even increases –, there will be living on Earth more than 15 billion people in 2050. The bad consequences of this population explosion are described in the petition you generously support. Please be kind enough to consider how you could spread the campaign, so that as many people as possible hear about it, and that the disastrous outcoming effects of the world-overcrowding can be mitigated. You can advertise the campaign. This makes the petition visible to more supporters. Please, use the following link: http://tinyurl.com/ohyphyf | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1496 Registered: 02-2000 |
Overpopulation: Should America have a one-child policy? http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/oct/29/should-america-have-one-child-policy/ My Website | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 04-2008 |
Because of the population explosion since the 1800's. How many spirit forms of people on Earth are less than 1000 years old? If I recall, the Creation has stopped making new spirit forms, when does or at what number do the Creation stop making new spirit forms? Tien | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 377 Registered: 04-2006 |
Norm, what's your opinion on the matter? Should America have a one-child policy? | ||
Tom Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2011 |
This year in my workplace there has been a “baby boom” where six people who I regularly work with have had their first or second child, two more are expecting in the new year and there are others who are working on having more. Most are in their late 20’s and early 30’s and are intelligent and good people. I have had friendly and in-depth conversations with a few of them around the issues associated with overpopulation and they agree that it is a major issue and have an understanding of the impacts associated with overpopulation. Despite their awareness of overpopulation and the associated impacts, they have still chosen to procreate. I started thinking about specifically why these people were acting against logic and reason. My conclusion is an obvious one. They have spent a lot of time thinking about and nurturing the idea of having a family, in some cases since a young age, and have hence developed a strong motivation towards pursuing this path. On the other hand, they have spent very minimal time thinking about and discussing overpopulation, and hence have lesser motivation towards addressing this issue. In my opinion, it is of great importance that we introduce the issue of overpopulation into primary and secondary school curriculums. This way, by the time today’s children and tomorrow’s would-be parents have finished secondary school, they will have spent a lot of time thinking about and discussing overpopulation, and will give the issue greater consideration when they are thinking about having a family. As an added benefit, introducing overpopulation education into the school curriculum system will mean that today’s children and tomorrow’s adults will be equipped with knowledge to educate others on this issue, which will accelerate the spread of awareness. It is apparent at this current time that implementing birth reduction & birth control policies would be strongly opposed by the general public. Aside from religious beliefs, societies general lack of knowledge regarding the consequences of overpopulation is a major hurdle. There is a growing force of people spreading education on overpopulation, but the information is mainly targeting adults, who have either already had children or, in many cases, have already cemented ideas about the number of children that they would like to have. In order to implement birth control policies to resolve overpopulation in the future, we need to do some ground work up front and include overpopulation in the education system. If this education-based ground work is not done, I think that people will not respond favorably to birth control policies until a lot more damage has occurred through environmental destruction, wars, natural disasters, famine, disease etc… Tom | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 335 Registered: 05-2012 |
Hi Tom. I heard that it is interesting what you write/say/do/publish/write/say/do/publish about the overpopulation. Achim Wolf's petition/petitions could also be circulated each year just to find out if any progress is made. Also you can try google for: "overpopulation sticker" or this concept: Salome  | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1505 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, Some of the native born population in the USA is actually going down. One population growth problems are the legal & Illegal immigrant communities. They average more children than most of the native born. Plus US citizenship is driving an illegal industry called Anchor Babies which grants citizenship to any baby born on U.S. soil. Which then allows family & extended family members to immigrate here. Plus the USA allows a million legal immigrants into the U.S. every year. More than any other nation in the world. The immigration thing is a mess all around. But if current laws were enforced I think that problem would to some degree go away. But big business likes slave wage labor in the USA so I doubt that will stop anytime soon. Plus the demand for low wage skilled labor in the Tech Industry which Bill Gates & Mark Zuckerberg are throwing millions of dollars lobbying for. Until the American people wake up, the population will continue to go through the roof. If we end all types of legal & illegal immigration & keep track of the temporary work visa's so that they go home when the works over. I think Billy's 3 children per family could work. I really could go on & on. I also noticed another trend that on a smaller scale has to be fueling population growth. And its considered taboo and total discounted by the Left are the welfare babies. A certain segment of the poor have learned to work the welfare system to get more money, food stamps & free medical by having extras babies. The welfare system will bend over backward for anyone with children. The laws needs to be changed. If your on welfare you should be warned if you have another child you will lose some benefits rather than the current policy of more benefits for more children. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1506 Registered: 02-2000 |
Overpopulation: Illegal immigration is about more than ethnic identity http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/dec/13/overpopulation-illegal-immigration-about-more-ethn/ My Website | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 04-2006 |
Norm, I understand and concur with what your saying there. btw, are you aware that your website is not there anymore? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1507 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, I knew the website would end. It took longer than I thought. Thanx | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 963 Registered: 06-2008 |
Recent BBC documentary on overpopulation. Youtube 1 hour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz_kn45qIvI Then a short but well done informative 8 minute Australian News segment featuring an interview with three academics on overpopulation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmgW__43qs Cheers. | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi, sorry mods, if my message is approved please post this one, with minor changes. Hi Norm, Maybe I don't get what you are saying. It's sounds ignorant and narrow minded to say "poor" people are fueling population growth. It's ridiculous to think that a large portion of poor people actually have babies purely for government benefits because babies aren't real investments, even with so-called government assistance, considering what it actually takes to raise a child, life doesn't become easier. Sorry if I am being tactless but it seems to me that you aren't looking at things from creational perspective, only a "white" perspective. I'm not really accusing you of racism, maybe just classism. You see people as either rich or poor, etc. And it seems you think the a one child policy should only apply to immigrants and poor people. But most nativ-born americans are in fact poor and are over breeding, probably a lot more so, and having babies for selfish reasons; for money, because it's god's given right (and he planned it), etc. Let's say, even if u manage to eliminate every non-white living in America (African American, Asian American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander, some other race), that would leave a population of 223,553,265 whites in the US, more than a third of 308,745,538 of the total population size in 2009 (including all non whites). That's close to half of the half billion recommended entire world population. The recommended population size for the US is 48,374,953 people. If the US is populated only by whites, the country would be about 4.44 % overpopulated (from 6.66% in 2009, including all non whites). Dealing with the (legal/illegal) immigration problem will not drastically solve much in America, maybe only make things a just little bit easier for the white race, if at all, but not much. There would probably be a little bit more breathing room, but there would still be economic problems and countless other vices will not be totally eliminated. It remains, the only real solution is Billy's recommendation of an effective world wide birth control, for every country. Regardless of where you are from, rich or poor, knowledgeable or ignorant, left or right, republican or democrat, etc., etc.. According to the order of your last name in the alphabet and if the prerequisites are fulfilled, or something similar. Anyway, maybe it could just be me but it is my understanding that everyone in America is an immigrant, or descendants of immigrants. Coming from a "minority" or what ever label you want to project onto me. Tien | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 04-2008 |
Correction: 4.44 times overpopulated (vs 6.66 times overpopulated in 2009, including all races) To kick out all immigrants, non whites or non european-american, send them back to where ever black hole they, their parents or grand parents came from. Many people would probably love that. But many things still won't change, in some ways things would get harder. There would be 1/3 (100 million) less economic slaves responsible for the incomprehensible debt, etc. There are still the accumulated problems from the past (unfortunately Obama can't do it all by himself, or any president). The corporate and tyrannical government is still a big problem. As a gun loving nation and freedom being restricted in every way, a civil war would still be a very likely outcome and finally breaking up into 5 different sections. Many of Billy's prophecies would still most likely be fulfilled and it would still take 800 years until things get better. Tien | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 04-2006 |
Here's an interesting article about Germany's shrinkage of population, it discusses their attempts to bribe people to have children and also Germany's general attitude against immigration. http://rt.com/op-edge/germany-economy-competitiveness-abyss-870/ Peace, Matthew Beattie | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 608 Registered: 03-2004 |
The good news is that most persons will not accept the bribe. The freedom that comes from not having children when you don´t want them cannot be replaced with money. The bad news is that as the "problem" of low birth rate worsens, governments will begin to give that money to poor, less educated immigrants who will gladly accept it. By the way, having less population will not be a disadvantage but an advantage in lets say 50 years. By then androids will be pretty common and artificial intelligence will be advanced enough to allow them to replace us in a lot of activities. Countries with a lot of "work force" will be in serious trouble as using machines will be much cheaper and big companies will not need many humans so we will have huge masses of unemployed persons who will not be needed by anyone. Salome | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1508 Registered: 02-2000 |
Getknowledge, "Maybe I don't get what you are saying. It's sounds ignorant and narrow minded to say "poor" people are fueling population growth." Did you miss where I said on a small scale? I guess my former Haitian Nurse is making up all these stories she told me first hand about her jobs working with the American poor. It made her angry & she told me she wouldn't have believed it if she didn't see it with her own eyes. I'm not going to debate this point by point everyone out there knows stories simuler to the one I mentioned. Drugs plays a major role in some of these stories of poverty & population. Please don't deny a large portion of the poor have large families. Just look at the news reports etc. Ok immigration just do a google search on 'immigrants birth rate' http://www.cis.org/ImmigrantBirthRates-FertilityUS Seems like your ok with overpopulation effecting the so-called 1st world? You know what would happen to those societies if they opened their borders completely? They would collapse! Billy even mentioned this. It is already is starting. I want Birth control for every race. Please don't put words into my mouth. Each country can start their own birth control rates. You have to start somewhere. You don't just wait for the whole world to collapse. Is it really fair if say Country A gets its birth rate under control & Country B doesn't & the people from country B are forced or pushed by their own government to immigrate to country A? Where will it end. Each country has to take its own responsibility. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1509 Registered: 02-2000 |
Overpopulation: Egypt's highway to breakdown, http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/features/overpopulation-egypts-highway-to-breakdown_20544 COUNTDOWN: Slowing Population Growth Our Last, Best Hope for a Future on Earth http://tinyurl.com/jw874a4 | ||
No_lies New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2013 |
After reading the Goblet of Truth, I have to ask about the statement pertaining to man having as many as three wives to have children by. It seems to me that this would be detrimental to population control on this planet. Especially when the planet is at full capacity and then some. Or is this recommendation intended for us after a very severe population declination? I think this needs clarification for the age we are in. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 566 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello No_lies, As I am understanding it; what the Goblet of Truth says about a man having three wives is based on Natural Creative Laws and is spiritual in nature. We should keep in mind that the man and his three wives are not required to have children. Also, in living according to these Natural Creative Laws, means these people adhere to the wisdom of knowledge and apply what Billy and the Plejaren have expressed about this type of relationship and the responsibilities associated with it. You will note that the Goblet of Truth goes into many details and explanations about every aspect of the relationship, requirements for having children, etc. Salome, Eddie | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 04-2008 |
Ok this one, Sorry mods. Norm, That's an important point - small scale. A nurse's story isn't concrete proof or scientific verification. Your link (one report) says that immigrants in the USA have a 23% increase of fertility than people in their home country, translates to about 1 extra child. The problem is, you can't deny these facts are trumped by the exponentially higher volume of babies over all by whites. Any way, almost every young people I know (including immigrants, minorities, etc.) don't believe in large families any more. I still don't think that overpopulation is hugely an immigration issue, that if minorities have one child too many is the critical cause for the collapse of the USA (she's doing that all by herself just fine). Billy's prophecies have already begun to play out for some time, he doesn't blame immigration as the crucial contributing factor, he mentioned it as only one aspect of the whole, which in some ways will breed some social problems, while the political and religious elites will continue finding ways to take your money and freedom. In 30 years the world population has in fact doubled (not solely because of immigrants and poor people on drugs). Because the irresponsible world leaders aren't educating anyone regarding a realistic view of the planet, maybe they don't see it themselves, or had other plans like starting WW3 (apparently prevented). The average person don't see or consider overpopulation as a fact and falsely believe that the entire world population can fit inside the state of Texas and the planet can sustain 50 billion people or more. The world's population could reach 11 billion by the year 2100. Closing the borders will not contain anything, not for very long anyway. As Billy says, "like pouring water into the ocean". Why not start with ourselves? When kids are taught properly in school, by parents, governments, etc., I think it will end when everyone can see the truth that overpopulation is a fact. Not a just conspiracy theory, not just for hippies, not just an immigration problem or a 3rd world problem, 80% of the world's resources are consumed by the wealthiest 20% of the world's population (with so called lower birth rates), so it's a shared problem for all Earthlings in all countries as one planet. Currently there are no laws against having kids. Many religious people probably would fight against this law. I'm not saying open the gates. I'm just saying, you can't just merely blame immigrants as if that's the root cause to overpopulation and it's problems; 99% of ALL problems; economic, social, political and environmental - combined. For what it's worth, I visited to my country a couple of times (but I came back), you can rest assured that not everyone want to come to America. (My family are war refugees as part of the wave that came over during the secret CIA war, so I grew up here.) The people there, a young population, may not have much but they have everything and are quite happy where they're at and love their peaceful life (it's nice and tropical) and in some ways are probably doing a lot better than me. My father told me recently, he's planning to build a house and move back. Tien |
