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    Schantz Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2007 |
Marbar, When the air temperature gets cold enough water vapors fall from the sky as snow instead of rain. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 972 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Mathew, Concerning this: Re: Las Palmas in CR 481 & Plejaren Telemeter Disks... Hello all, In the following YouTube video there appears an orb that resembles a photo I've seen of a Plejaren telemeter disk on 19th of August 1989 when Bernadette Brand, Freddy Kopf and Billy were all present. HD YouTube video of an unidentified orb in the Canary Islands here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFwjMQuW3Pk&feature=share Whoever watches this might notice the very calm voice on the videos indicating the person was probably selected on this basis ..... he is a calm person recording and reporting observations factually without any drama or emotions and not excited to any degree which comes across in the narration and comments ..... for those operating the disc, desirable characteristics and personality traits. Discs appearing 50-150 meters away in several locations. The video person has made detailed Google Earth references of the locations so all up quite a professional effort without any embelishment just sticking to the facts and evidence .... a great way to be in the right place at the right time with camera in hand when more of these discs and perhaps other objects appear. So your discovery of this video is much appreciated and it does support Billy Meiers claims about telemeter discs. Cheers. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 940 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Matthew Try this Privatgesprächsauszug vom 17. Juli 1975 (31. Kontakt) Extract of a private conversation of July 17th, 1975 (31st contact) Ptaah: Bei deiner Frage handelt es sich um den Vulkan Cumbre Vieja auf der Insel La Palma. Ptaah: Your question concerns the Cumbre Vieja Volcano on the Island of La Palma. http://theyfly.com/Volcano_Warning.htm Read the bottom part which includes the German Matt Lee | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 03-2011 |
Re: Orb filmed at Gran Canaria near Las Palmas. Ramirez - My thoughts precisely. After viewing hours of UFO footage, most of it fake, this video struck me as being genuine. There are many characteristics to the video that would be difficult to achieve with Maya (CGI) without someone having used this extensively for years or without having filmed a flying object previously at the same location as a reference which would take a single person months to achieve in High Definition, i.e., the orb 'bleeding into' the red brick wall and the strange strobe-like characteristics of the orb and its shape. These can be better seen when the object is stabilised and enlarged, as in this version, which is really impressive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paLLsxjMAuc&feature=share&list=UUSePlCeyp4VtHLr53t9iahA&index=3 The videographer seemed very open to the idea that this object was a telemeter disc and was really interested in the links to FoM and Theyfly I sent him. He told me, "...in all Canary islands was reported during long time about "sightings" of this kinds of lights. Here (by legend) they are called "Mafasca's lights" by old people. The old people says they are spirits." Billy, himself, has not been able to capture footage of a telemeter disc, so, if this is footage of one, it would be unprecedented and very rare. I've asked Christian to show the video to Billy in this month's Q&A, so I look forward to his response. I know many in FIGU are not particularly interested in UFO's and frown upon people being interested in them, but, my answer to that is that the "U" in "FIGU" still stands. It certainly sounds better than "FIG" anyway  Newinitiation - Thanks for the link. I actually sent that link to the videographer so that he could get some warning about Cumbre Vieja. Although he lives on Las Palmas, Gran Canaria - not La Pama where the volcano is - we know from that link that all the Canary Islands would be effected so I hope that the language barrier did not hamper his understanding of the warning. Matthew | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 942 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Matthew My pleasure and all the best with your efforts to warn people of the imminent dangers right around the corner. We may expect something to occur this year from the prophecies. cheers Matt Lee | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 974 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Mathew, Found the high definition version which is even better backup for Billy Meier's claims. Let's hope this guy obtains more footage. As for orbs .... definitely not because orbs have insufficient capacity to self illuminate that way that long in daylight ..... at night yes some light phenomenon can but not in daylight. Besides it doesn't move like an orb which typically constantly zip about quite fast like flying birds and rarely stay still however some phenomenon are able to remain in a static position though oscilate about (wobble and or spin) to varying degrees. Just like people who move about not remaining rigidly still for any length of time .... unless maybe when glued to a Meier book For sure there's developed a sorta mantra in Figu circles that it's not about lights in the sky nor should it be but the universal laws and teachings though i dont go with that to the full extent ..... if it's genuine it's interesting ..... particularly lights in the sky. If persons fail to start pursuing the teachings instead spending their time and efforts concentrating on objects, lights and stories of paranormal and supernatural well that's their business but at least they are becoming interested in something besides sport and money. In a way it's quite OK for others to obtain evidence supporting Billy's claims rather than the man himself doing all the work. If Billy identifies various things, reports them in print and others begin acquiring images that tends to spread the evidence base making it more acceptable. Cheers. | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2011 |
Also, as I watched the video (above) carefully, the pulsing "flashes" of the object seem to actually have an effect on the filmed environment in the footage as the object gets within around a 50 meter range (as estimated by the videographer). It is as if the environment slightly jumps or distorts with the object's own "bursts" or perhaps, more accurately, "pulsations". This could well be evidence of the strong electromagnetic radiation effects and power of these objects, again something very difficult to fake. | ||
Shark_mode Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2014 |
G'day Ramirez, "For sure there's developed a sorta mantra in Figu circles that it's not about lights in the sky nor should it be but the universal laws and teachings though i dont go with that to the full extent ..... if it's genuine it's interesting ..... particularly lights in the sky." I totally agree. The spiritual teaching is paramount. Religion must end and people must start thinking for themselves and becoming self-responsible people. Overpopulation is the biggest problem facing the earth humans AND all the rest of the problems like war, terrorism, economic abuse and breakdown, diseases, starvation, resource depletion, etc.; and it is creating most of the planet's stresses too, like contamination, pollution, resource destruction, animal extinctions and habitats, etc. There is no doubt, like MH says, "This is the most important story in human history. And our future survival depends on it." But Figu leads in other subjects, like Earth history, variety of sciences, human nutrition and health, an entire universe of subjects covered at one time or another during the contacts. So why would the interest in extraterrestrial and advanced earth human flying machines be taboo for the Figu? Notice that rhymes. I think this is a misunderstanding. Figu would seem to lead the world in the best flying saucer pictures and movie footage... period. There is not a day that goes by that I don't think about how cool it be to travel to a new world or have the capability to see and drive a beamship, in between thinking about the subjects of reincarnation and trying to understand the Creation as a responsible human being. My favorite ship is the most old school, the variation 1 or 2 (?)... you know the one that's flying around the tree on the cover of the book "And Still They Fly." Of course the Wedding Cake ship is pretty damn cool too. I'd fly the Cake ship if I needed a time travel option; but if all I was doing was going to the galactic store, I'd take the old light drive variation 1 ship to look retro. I'd love if Billy could get just a small amount of pictures these days of what the Ps are flying around in now. The skeptics might get caught up blasting new pictures for a little while, but the truth is the truth; and history will prove Meier photographs are real. So what is the harm? Will the little earth hamsters here drop their conscientious ways and forget about what in necessary and the problems we are facing? Not us UFO freaks here on the Figu forum, brah! Billy's photographing phase in the 70s and 80s where the Figu members were more concerned about the latest pictures, than trying to get themselves to think positive yet neutral, are over. The people are starting to think, albeit slowly, but surely. So please, oh pretty please dear Plejaren, if you are monitoring this forum, please give us some more pictures!!! And I know MH will jump in here and tell me that I should give this up because the world is falling apart and we need to forget about flying discs, laser guns, telemeters, and everything else Plejarn that Billy photographed back in the day. BUT, what about for after hours? Some people like chocolate, some people like shoes, some people are interested in computers, some like building models, and some like playing golf, you get the idea, so can't us Billy Meier students be totally jazzed about beamships and photographs and film of them. Perhaps we can get a picture of a Plejaren Federation laser sword or light saber? Now that would be totally cool with extra points. Get the picture with the sword held in the hand of some beautiful ET woman like Asket. Have her wearing a silver or gold space jacket. I know that you can't show her face. But can you get the rest of her? "If persons fail to start pursuing the teachings instead spending their time and efforts concentrating on objects, lights and stories of paranormal and supernatural well that's their business but at least they are becoming interested in something besides sport and money." That or they are just material minded morons. I think that Billy should only share his NEW pictures with the people on this forum. That way, when they get out in the public and people steal them all over again, we can all say that it was none of your business until they grew up! Best regards, Anthony | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 05-2012 |
Ramirez What you're saying is untrue and is actually quite primitive. Since ancient times people get easily mislead by "false evidence" instead of listening to the words of the prophets and finally finding the truth in themselves and for themselves. For someone who had hundreds of personal contacts with ET's and had written them down for you to read... it's not "mantra" but may rather be unfortunate occurrence that idiots aren't - as usual- drown to the logic and teachings but rather to some flashing lights, artifacts, etc. As if seeing them would change anything in those who have at least tiny bit of real understanding. To the contrary, changing anything in morons is always slow and very questionable as there is always another trick to see and another light to observe somewhere. Salome | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 04-2006 |
"dear Plejaren, if you are monitoring this forum" If they were monitoring this forum, would they tell Billy that they were? And if they were, and they told Billy that they were, would Billy let us know that they were, if someone here asked him? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 977 Registered: 06-2008 |
"Ramirez What you're saying is untrue and is actually quite primitive." Really .... could you be more specific please ..... I never claimed it was Billy Meier spreading a mantra that pictures of lights in the sky aren't the most important issue and yes reading the contents of contact reports, bulletins and books plus watching Michael's videos are part of an ongoing effort to broaden my perspective and knowledge base. "To the contrary, changing anything in morons is always slow and very questionable as there is always another trick to see and another light to observe somewhere." Errr if i might ask .... how many lights in the sky have you seen ? after all Meier seems to have seen quite a lot Cheers. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2012 |
Ramirez yes I can be more specific...read your previous "Environment" post (which is torture in itself unfortunately) so that you know what the answer is about. Maybe someone could ask Meier to tell P's to stop using their invisibility screens - to let Ramirez finally "broaden his perspectives" Then we can all have contest suggested by him: "how many lights have you seen?" . | ||
Shark_mode Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2014 |
Hey Ferb, "Maybe someone could ask Meier to tell P's to stop using their invisibility screens - to let Ramirez finally "broaden his perspectives":-)" I wish the Plejaren flew around checking us forum participants out, clocked in their spaceships. I doubt it. I would imagine if anything we would get a telemeter sighting, like Michael Horn describes in Brazil, at best. Most anything UFO in the sky is man made. We are seeing top secret earth bound technology when most people are thinking alien. I doubt the Ps hang around for our nonsense after they are done meeting with Billy. Best, Anthony | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 527 Registered: 12-2009 |
Matt, http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=12&page=9217 May 26, 2008: Question: Hi Billy, This question was raised a couple of times in the past on this forum, not by me though. Do the Plejaren's read or follow any of Figu's forums to see how people or things are going in any way, and if so, why and also what are their thoughts. many thanks Answer: They are just observing/reading the texts. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2009 |
Well Ferbon, to actually have photographs of a telemeter disk and compare them to the photographs in Billy's books, makes one think a lot more than what you realize. But I'm guessing you wouldn't know that? To compare the photographed craft to the ones in the books. To compare the crop circle to the ones in the books. I'm just glad we have something to compare it to. Besides, who doesn't love a biorganic entity which has it's own intelligence? As Billy says us earth worms love a mystery. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Corey, Thanks! I forgot reading that. My opinion of what the Plejaren would think when reading our posts/texts would be that they take a dim view of most of us, especially when reading all the needless arguments and flames between people. I include myself as one of those people.  | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2012 |
Justsayno Compare your thoughts with the teachings, compare your acts to those of CG, compare your identity with that of nature. Where is all this when you piss your time away on crop circles/ tales of unexpected/ lights in the sky/ or technology which has to be hidden to keep lunatics (old word for insane) on the leash. Meier published the book full of pictures, he published videos and sounds; he provided metal samples, gave you transcripts, history of events from ancient times, explained deluge, pyramids, bible, etc., etc. etc. Read Ramirez's post again and realize what sort of "specialist" does he portrays himself to be and what excuses he gives you to believe. Do you want to be known as "crop circle specialist" or "lights in the sky knowitall" ...or someone who can ask Meier a question without a shame because he/she had already chosen responsibility? Salome | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 01-2011 |
 "Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new." | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2009 |
As you said Ferbon, Meier's books are full of pictures, I guess we aren't allowed to look at those eh? Or are those pictures in his books the only ones we are allowed to look at? I don't think Ramirez comes across as a know-it-all but since he has a lot of experience with cameras and being able to separate the wheat from the chaff, I take his comments seriously (except for the unserious ones). Look Ferbon, I never asked for the horse mutilations but chose to find out who did it because I didn't believe the RCMP who said the one they investigated died of natural causes - would you have gone along with the police line if all the evidence showed you otherwise? I never asked for the crop circle (okay I did but am not that egotistical to think it was for me) before it appeared a short distance away. I guess I should have really ignored it but my curiosity got the better of me. It was my first and last crop circle and haven't visited any since. I never asked for the orbs and spacecrafts in my photos but they appeared anyway. I've read just about everything that has been translated. Photography is my hobby and you want to deny me that because you think I'm pissing my life away? LOL how can you tell from this forum how responsible I've been? I have asked many questions to Billy without shame. One concerning crop circles and a few that dealt with bio-organic entities and really why should I be ashamed of an honest question? What is it you think I should be doing? Our little group is trying to meet about once a month and it will probably take years to get it up and running. Keep in mind that if you had told Billy that photography was pissing his life away...you wouldn't have any pictures in any of his books. And what exactly do you do on your off time? Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 978 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Ferbon, As for being a lights in the sky specialist .... there are a small number of persons aware of my activities in the area of lights in the sky who would substantiate that so far i've published around 17,500 crystal clear high quality images of various light phenomenon .... orbs and so forth .... but no flying saucers. Also i'd like to post a few examples of orbs and other quite spectacular light phenomenon here but the 100K limit on picture size rules this out plus ..... some moderators have a habit of classifying material of that sort as being off topic and canning the posts which just never show up so it's not worthwhile. Most of what constitutes your ideas that my claims or comments are a know it all talkfest could easily be countered by producing evidence ..... just like Meier's pictures but for good reasons it's not advisable to publicly post links to where the picture galleries exist here ..... but they do exist, genuine unedited pictures with not a hint of photoshop, editing or alteration of any sort provable beyond doubt because each original contains an EXIF file in it's metadata confirming the picture is an unaltered original exactly as it was downloaded from a camera. So whatever appears would need to have somehow been there as the picture itself was taken and if you were to see the actual material you'd soon realize it's impossible to create such effects. However ..... being skeptical has valid applications and it's an advantage to question claims ..... do you believe Meier's claims ? He has a track record of 27,000 pages worth of information to pad out the picture and video collection which would have been far more extensive if those suffering from kleptomania hadn't helped themselves to a substantial portion of his collections. Irrespective ..... Meier has offered evidence ..... how tangible and genuine it might be remains a matter of debate however ..... he has at least posted and published a lot. I dont have a track record of 27,000 pages worth of information however within a few years there could well be 27,000 published pictures and again ..... a small number of persons associated with figu are aware of these. Also ..... Justsayno has indeed managed to obtain pictures of .... what looks very much like flyin sorcers but they are nowhere near the quality, clarity and size of Meier's but still ..... unmistakable. So it's something real .... lights in the sky and personally satisfying because considering all those claims, fuzzy dots and so forth to get a few of your own .... maybe it's wasting a life on frivolous things but then ..... maybe not. There's nothing more reassuring than personal experience and obtaining ..... results. Cheers. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 399 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ramirez, It's a shame this forum only has a 100K limit on picture size as I would be interested in seeing some of the photos in your collection. I don't think taking photos is wasting a life on frivolous things. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 05-2012 |
Ramirez Before we get to results... your original post is wrongly submitted in the Environment section and to respond to it I am again forced to nevertheless act in the same mistaken way. Here's the response: I consider it disappointing and unfortunate that after 27000 pages (if someone gets excited about numbers) or so of Meier's materials and hard work of a lot of associated people still again and again those who freed themselves from religious delusions are very much inclined to mental slavery patterns and these wander around blindly and anxiously just to find "reassurance" in yet another cult of things and yet another worthless delusion. May it be anything imaginable instead of the actual truth against which they put all their fears and doubts because they have no notion of it whatsoever through their own ignorance, laziness and stupidity. ...and here's a summary/translation of what is meant in this post Even if you took billion pictures of some-lights or shapes in the sky it would not change tiniest thing in lives of those who live in reality and have true understanding. All you do with your camera is fueling obsession of lunatics. Figu people strive for happy lives in harmony; marvel clear skies, stars, wind, water and any creature or form of nature; everything which is in natural order, is logical, beautiful and eternal. They, and anyone can realize easily that material existence is tricky for us - young evolving spirits - and so there is guidance...now incarnated and periodically answering slur of dumbest of drivel with question mark at the end. Why don't you ask him what relevance has your pixel library of wonders to the teachings...? . | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 980 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Ferbon, Quote: "Even if you took billion pictures of some-lights or shapes in the sky it would not change tiniest thing in lives of those who live in reality and have true understanding. All you do with your camera is fueling obsession of lunatics." Well no. I only record what's there and dont add any sensationalism and or deceitful claims the various light phenomenon are angels, demons, spirit guides, ghosts, supernatural or any of those things instead relying on information from various contact reports and other Meier publications to label the phenomenon as accurately as possible which is a departure from the usual load of fantasies being promoted about lights in the sky. High quality pictures in substantial volume, lot's of subject variety and multiple consecutive series indicating it's not a one off lucky shot ..... this is what silences persons who obtain one or a few mediocre images then dress up their flamboyant claims with pages of dramatic ..... melodramatic text describing all manner of irrelevant stuff along the lines it's supernatural or angels etc. There's no better way to demolish such foolishness than to provide superior quality, numbers and variety all the while describing the contents in a restrained realistic manner for what they are. So people see this ..... huge numbers of high quality unedited pictures with no claims about paranormal, supernatural or religious themes anywhere to be seen ...... that's my contribution. Whether those who see the material change their minds about what it might actually be that's featured in pictures is their business but at least there's an alternative to offer choice which again is similar to how Meier operates. He offers various material as a choice .... an alternative version to that in circulation and widely accepted leaving it up to individuals to examine and decide. So no ..... there's no fueling obsessions, not on purpose anyway. If the contents were being described as angels, archangels, ghosts, spirit guides, ET's, sinister demonic entities and whatever else ...... that would be promoting fantasies and abnormal ideas. But yes ..... i've been planning to send a few discs full of pics to Billy Meier and hopefully he might be able to obtain accurate information about what some of the phenomenon actually are ..... according to Plejaran labels and what their functions might be in the natural world. Quote: "Figu people strive for happy lives in harmony; marvel clear skies, stars, wind, water and any creature or form of nature; everything which is in natural order, is logical, beautiful and eternal." Well for sure what's in those pictures is exactly that as you describe above and i'm constantly working towards obtaining even more of the best possible quality material to share and let others know about such things because ..... a picture is worth how many words ? With all those various claims isn't it always words .... that's all they are, words coming out of peoples mouths or on print claiming something or other but with pictures ..... the possibilities and information value is exponentially increased. Cheers. |
