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Memo00
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Post Number: 609
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2014 - 08:15 am: | 
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According to the guidelines to avoid overpopulation each woman can have a maximum of 3 children (for all her life, it doesn´t matter if she marries more than once or has children outside marriage, etc). If one man marries more than one woman it is the same (for population growth) as if each woman would marry a different man as only women can become pregnant. Also it should be noticed that it is not mandatory to have children, each woman could have only one or none children.
It is important to know that also it is recommended that not everyone can have children but only those who are healthy physically and mentally, those with a healthy marriage and who can educate properly the children. All convicted criminals should be sterilized. Persons who are drug addicts, have mental issues or can transmit genetic diseases should not have children.
To have children is not a "right" but a duty. Children´s rights come first. |
Matt
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2014 - 03:28 pm: |
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"I think it will end when everyone can see the truth that overpopulation is a fact."
Billy once said that with us a problem has to reach an acute stage before it is recognized, or words to that effect. |
Bianca
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 03:58 am: |
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HI Matt,
Speaking two years ago with a core group member, it was mentioned to me that the major 'crux' world wide will happen when OP will reach 10-11 Billion hungry mouths!
Last year I read that Ptaah has mentioned to Billy that we are already almost 8.4 Billion.
In Aust. the notion is still held that we are still 7.5 Billion, how absurd, I know! This figure has been floating on the airwaves for at least 5 years yet no one is intelligent to ask the obvious...
Somewhere I read, Ptaah mentioned how many people are born per second and how many die, someone can do the maths...
Thinking further, even when one is a leader of any given nation, what can they do to change things? It takes a special personality and character to master moral courage to try talk sense to other leaders, as I see it, they are all afraid because they dont know what to do. Behind the scenes are the real puppet masters and the world is a real circus.
But on the upside... year 2029 is just around the corner!
…Everything is in One, and One is in all, and everything is there in this infinite Creation for every single being, and the single being is there for the whole extensive All.
OM
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Norm
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Post Number: 1510
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 07:18 pm: |
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Getknowledge, “A nurse's story isn't concrete proof or scientific verification. Your
link (one report) says that immigrants in the USA have a 23% increase
of fertility than people in their home country, translates to about 1
extra child. The problem is, you can't deny these facts are trumped by
the exponentially higher volume of babies over all by whites.”
It’s a fact that the white birth rate world wide is going down. But that’s not what I was talking about, but you assumed it.
The reason for the nurses statement was to let you know it had nothing to do with race!
Any way, almost every young people I know (including immigrants,
minorities, etc.) don't believe in large families any more. I still
don't think that overpopulation is hugely an immigration issue, that
if minorities have one child too many is the critical cause for the
collapse of the USA (she's doing that all by herself just fine).
Billy's prophecies have already begun to play out for some time, he
doesn't blame immigration as the crucial contributing factor, he
mentioned it as only one aspect of the whole, which in some ways will
breed some social problems, while the political and religious elites
will continue finding ways to take your money and freedom.”
I know Billy doesn’t blame just immigration, but it is a factor not to be ignored!
Examples by Billy, Ptaah & Christian Frehner
"Overpopulation brings with it ethnic problems as well. Indeed, it actually induces them. It precipitates migration, war, bloodshed and murder. As a result of the world population's continuing growth, people are squeezed together ever closer, and the space for each person becomes ever smaller and more restricted. For this reason can situations not be avoided whereby inhabitants of various countries, tribes, religions, convictions, opinions, philosophies and outlooks increasingly crowd together only to infringe upon each other's personal space. Without fail, this type of close contact leads to friction, differences of opinion and arguments. These issues, in turn, automatically generate war, bloodshed, murder and migration. The migration issue alone leads to even more excessive, vicious, worldwide problems. For example, refugees do not simply leave their familiar homesteads merely to seek new ones within their own country. Instead, they flee to foreign lands and often to countries that are financially and economically more prosperous than their own homelands. So it transpires that thousands, tens of thousands, indeed hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees abruptly flee their homelands and swarm into foreign, more prosperous nations. In turn, these nations become swamped with foreigners, causing almost insurmountable problems. Countries that accept these refugees are forced to expend billions of dollars that are paid for by the "host nation's" industrious inhabitants through hard-earned funds from horrendous taxes. As a result of wars and revolutions, among other things, veritable migrations of entire nations will soon take place, as people begin to flee their homelands to seek asylum elsewhere. This migrant flow will lead to hatred of strangers, hatred of asylum-seekers and other races. It will result in severe unrest, murders by all types of extremists and others.The type of refugee fleeing into foreign nations shows no homogeneity. Refugees come from all social levels, and their reasons for migrating are frequently very diverse. These reasons range from economic exodus and personal problems, broken hearts and drug problems, religious and military reasons, to fleeing for political and family reasons, a lust for adventure and leaving the homeland to avoid work. Thus, many diverse refugee groups flee their native lands to seek shelter in more prosperous countries. These nations ultimately suffer from the massive influx of foreigners and its vicious consequences, which endanger both government and the populace. The majority of refugees request political asylum, which costs the host nations and its hard-working tax payers billions of dollars. Of course, these unexpected costs are a burden to the various factions of local citizenry and cause hatred to flare up against the asylum-seekers, foreigners and other races. Such hatred becomes perpetuated and leads to fatal escalations, material damage and unimaginable disaster.
-Overpopulation Crusade Information from Ptaah, http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Overpopulation_Crusade
The exodus from the Third World is set into motion like a gigantic human steamroller, which begins initially within their home regions, but will soon increasingly expand in a northern direction – toward the lure of the industrial, economic and welfare nations with their full cooking pots, wealth, luxury and employment opportunities. However, through migration these opportunities become constantly rarer once the immigrants increasingly begin to occupy the jobs and are willing to work for lower salaries than the local residents, who lose their own livelihood and become welfare recipients as a result. Overpopulation Bomb by Billy Meier http://ca.figu.org/Overpopulation_Bomb.html
53.) An unimagined impending asylum seeker problem will break over the industrialized countries before the turn of the millennium and evoke asylum seeker tourism through which a great many asocial elements emigrate who release a crime wave, whereby the worldly possessions of many people will no longer be safe, nor will life and limb. by Billy Meier http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm
The immigration of young manpower from poor countries into higher developed countries as a means to increase the amount of payers/contributors to the pension system must be stopped. - Population Growth Without Limit - An End to a Taboo Subject!
Christian Frehnerhttp://ca.figu.org/Population_Growth.html
”In 30 years the world population has in fact doubled (not solely
because of immigrants and poor people on drugs). Because the
irresponsible world leaders aren't educating anyone regarding a
realistic view of the planet, maybe they don't see it themselves, or
had other plans like starting WW3 (apparently prevented). The average
person don't see or consider overpopulation as a fact and falsely
believe that the entire world population can fit inside the state of
Texas and the planet can sustain 50 billion people or more. The
world's population could reach 11 billion by the year 2100.”
Where did I say solely overpopulation is caused by immigration.You keep confusing what I was talking about.
Which was about the USAs population & even that is not solely caused by immigration.
There are White Mormans that still have 10 kids per family.
Which is just as wrong no matter what the race
”Closing the borders will not contain anything, not for very long
anyway. As Billy says, "like pouring water into the ocean".”
”Why not start with ourselves? When kids are taught properly in school,
by parents, governments, etc., I think it will end when everyone can
see the truth that overpopulation is a fact. Not a just conspiracy
theory, not just for hippies, not just an immigration problem or a 3rd
world problem, 80% of the world's resources are consumed by the
wealthiest 20% of the world's population (with so called lower birth
rates), so it's a shared problem for all Earthlings in all countries
as one planet.”
That was my point we need to start in each country.
If you add more immigration to the USA population then even more resources will be used.
“Currently there are no laws against having kids. Many religious people
probably would fight against this law.
I'm not saying open the gates. I'm just saying, you can't just merely
blame immigrants as if that's the root cause to overpopulation and
it's problems; 99% of ALL problems; economic, social, political and
environmental - combined.”
Again where was I blaming just immigrants?
”For what it's worth, I visited to my country a couple of times (but I
came back), you can rest assured that not everyone want to come to
America. (My family are war refugees as part of the wave that came
over during the secret CIA war, so I grew up here.) The people there,
a young population, may not have much but they have everything and are
quite happy where they're at and love their peaceful life (it's nice
and tropical) and in some ways are probably doing a lot better than
me. My father told me recently, he's planning to build a house and
move back.”
There is a difference between Illegal and legal immigration.
My main post was about illegal immigration & population. |
Matt
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 09:11 pm: |
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Norm, I see your point of view on the matter.
btw, are you going to try to get your website hosted somewhere else or are you not going to have one anymore? |
Norm
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Post Number: 1512
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 - 03:59 pm: |
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Matt, No I let it close. Someday maybe. But I'm pretty busy now. |
Marbar
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 11:18 am: |
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There is something that has been bothering me for years, in the countries where people live in very poor conditions. These conditions are extreme heat, very liitle water and food, and poor shelter that the people have and live in.
How is it that these people are able to have children? I don't understand how that is possible. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 09:59 am: |
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Hi Marbar, copulation is very basic and is used for pleasure in countries where there is not much pleasure in living and who can blame them? I've seen first hand how some organs shut down due to trauma but being hungry and thirsty is not the kind of trauma that will shut down reproductive organs.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 947
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:12 am: |
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Hi All
There is no denying it
There is no need to brainlessly refute it
There is no requirement to be a halfwit and a moron to oppose it.
There is no need to embarrass oneself needlessly and show how stupid and dimwitted one actually is by rejecting what is stated below.
China is in trouble and the rabbit like breeding of people over the years have relegated this country to hundreds of years of rubbish like state of foul and disgustingly polluted purification.
This country has been trashed just like most developed countries but to a several degrees more.
The air is so foul you can't even see the sunrise or sunset properly.
The roads are so congested full of idiots riding their mopeds and motorcycles on the wrong side of the road.
The pavements are packed like sardines full of ant like masses of people squeezing past one another with great difficulty.
Its so noisy wherever you go.
There are the homeless with half an arm and half a leg begging in the train stations.
There are street vendors selling rubbish food just to make a living.
There are con artists, thieves, criminals, pimps, dregs, scums, lowlifes, beggars, sellers and the whole nine yards full of people falling under suspect classifications all over the place.
There are the money hungry whores and exploiters everywhere trying to rip each other off as quickly and as efficiently as possible lining the streets and shopping centers in every corner and in every place.
There are CCTVs everywhere in every place in ever town, district, suburb, locality, state, province, prefecture, or whatever else you want to call it.
There are government paid security personnel in nearly every corner of every street picking their noses in boredom supplemented by the largess of the tax payer funded state pension and wages.
There are endless shops upon shops full of money hungry whores just waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting naivete and shave a few grams out of their wallets and purses.
There is dirtiness everywhere even if new.
The satanist controlled mass entertainment complex has infiltrated this country where sluts and gigolos wiggle diddle their wares in guise as entertainment whilst mesmerizing the innocence of this country which is mainly purveyed by the Korean entertainment and music industry thus turning them into whores, sluts, bustards and gigolos.
There are neatly uniformed government officials minding banks, nice buildings, train stations, malls, department stores, bus stations, ferry stations, ports, airports, hotels, motels, shopping centers, streets, walkways, esplanades, bridges and so on, on behalf of the big brother.
This is just to mention a few.
The Chinese will become the next superpower that killed itself through overpopulation, over pollution, over consumption, over production, over construction, over development, over spending, over wastefulness, over entertainment, over feeding, over building, over use of energy, over materialism above spiritual values, over stupidity above common sense, over imitation, over replication, over copying and over breeding.
This country is fckued up just like the rest of the world with this nasty and cancerous over materialism, over self aggrandizement and egotism which has vice gripped the consciousness of just about ever cat and dog under this dying sun and will no doubt have to literally be forced to breathe the disgusting shti that they've produced as after effect from the insanity.
The Chinese will become the next superpower that never fully got there as the seed of self destruction has already been planted long before they will rise temporarily (just breathe the air and you will know).
What a fcku of a place they've turned their own country into these stupid fckuing halwits!!!!!!!!!!! and for the rest of the world. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 10:20 pm: |
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Newinitiation,
China is a wonderful place. |
Vincent
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 11:08 pm: |
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Newinitiation,
Are all those F words really necessary to have in your post? I get the message without them. There's no need to lower a post to those standards. Sorry, but I like to think that people here are better than that. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 186
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 12:08 am: |
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Newinitiation,
The Chinese are wonderful people. The problem with China, or any country, is that there are people like you living there.
Which of course is an unfortunate offspring to overpopulation. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 07:36 pm: |
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Dude, you need to relax. Overpopulation is the biggest problem causing most of the world's ills. But don't get mad at JUST the Chinese. Blame yourself too. You are part of the overpopulation problem; and you should not fail to consider your mistakes as well. You, as an earthling living on the same planet as the Chinese race, are contributing to overpopulation. So don't yell and point fingers at your neighbors. Try your best to not support or contribute to the overpopulation problem; you can start not by abusing procreation, educating your neighbors and friends when given the opportunity to address the subject, writing about it, talking out against it, supporting birth control and abstinence, etc.
Cheers!
Anthony |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 952
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 04:24 am: |
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Hi All
Much appreciated fellas for the typical cause and effect response
Although this is not my 'blow off steam whenever I feel like it' forum I give myself a pat in the back for my restraint over the years with none such kind until now.
I don't feel the need to make redundant excuses nor apologies for giving myself the luxury of chucking the rare spasmodic fit of rage and it wasn't for the wrong reasons either.
Now with a head full of information from Billy and the Plejaren especially the prophecies and predictions if you were the one who had confronted the reality of the situation first hand in China like me you would likewise not be so warmed to what has happen and will happen from the Chinese situation.
If one has dealt with Billy's information sufficiently one will also come to the conclusion that there is always the other side of the equation, on this occasion I chose to focus on the negative.
Now as everyone knows most Chinese are industrious, frugal, modest, hardworking, intelligent, family and group oriented, long tradition bound, well mannered, committed to filial piety, and generous people who often puts a shame to how the fattened up, lazy, gluttonous, arrogant, decadent, selfish and self centered ways that the westerners tend to live these days (of course not all!)
Now put this into context and the huge ramification of what is happening in China, since Deng Xiaoping's implementation of market reform and the adoption of market economy there has been a rapid rise in population in conjunction with the rise in living standards.
With the flood of foreign capital to China the Chinese have enjoyed the fastest economic growth in the world for the last 30 years with none in comparisons.
It is by the Chinese tradition, culture, ideology, reform, population number and characteristics among many other factors that this was made possible and they should be lauded for this economic miracle but there is a catch to all this in that there is nothing benevolent and altruistic about the economic system as such and that basically the engine that powers it these days is greed, power lust, lust for control, self aggrandizement and superiority.
The losers always seem to be the environment first and then the greater masses of citizenry whichever country you happen to be in.
And the huge and as yet unrealised ramification of a still growing population of 1.35 billion people (add another tens of millions not on the birth register) still to aspire to the desired standard of living will place enormous pressure on the environment.
The astronomical demand for natural resources and energy with a growing population will lead to the inevitable collapse of the fragile ecosystem and China has already overtaken the US as the world's biggest emitter of pollution.
Just on coal consumption alone China is number one in the world and the 2nd biggest importer with four fifths of it's electricity being produced by coal fired power stations and 562 new plants to come online within the next few years or two power stations every week.
Just think about the consequences for a second.
Now China and the Chinese are not to blame for all the world's woes nor were they the original instigators of this system but matter of factly speaking the runner-a-way train to disaster unleashed by their adoption of such a foreign to their cultural system originating from the west will no doubt play a major role in creating an unbelievable environmental catastrophe.
The Chinese have done very well for thousands of years without the free market economic system but sadly like everywhere else on gaia, their definition of success and prosperity is predominantly based on accumulation of material wealth, riches, fortune and money with every other values being secondary (not always of course!).
The question then is how should the regular folks who without a say, being born to such an era with such a system with such a condition, who must do with what they've got to make a hard living from day to day do about these woes that are thrust upon them by fate of circumstances in which they neither had a say nor a choice and to get by?
This is a hard one to answer for those that are as yet closed off from the Creational spiritual truth by reasons of fate and destiny (not that kind!).
I don't have all the answers fellas but being a human myself I am glad to chuck that odd sissy fit in total freedom, be it a mistake and a lost cause and be able to qualify it than be apathetic in unfreedom never having stirred with the right intent or purpose.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Melissa
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 05:45 am: |
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I appreciated your post(s) Matt.
Danke!
-Melissa
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 600
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 08:12 am: |
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I think Matt, that all our previous incarnations have worked us up to this point. When we left our last lives we were already aware of what future generations were going to be born into. Some irresponsible ones didn't give a sh1t how they left the world. Others were more aware of the consequences. So it should not come as a shock to anyone when we are incarnated into the sh1t that we have created. Funny that the majority of people would think their previous lifeforms never did anything wrong. You have every right to have a sissy fit when you see it firsthand and if you didn't have a sissy fit, I would think there was something wrong. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Stand up for the truth!
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 571
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 08:34 am: |
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"The question then is how should the regular folks who without a say, being born to such an era with such a system with such a condition, who must do with what they've got to make a hard living from day to day do about these woes that are thrust upon them by fate of circumstances in which they neither had a say nor a choice and to get by?"
Great question Matt Lee. And you brought up a good point.
In the Goblet of Truth it states that in these circumstances one is without fault when they have been thrust upon a fate that was not their choice. The Goblet also states that those who are conscientious and do what little they can to impact their immediate fellow human beings in their daily lives are also without fault.
The Goblet clearly states that each and everyone of us is responsible in every way for the state of things on the entire planet because the power is within us to effect positive change with all the means available to humanity now.
From the example with those we come in contact with, to petitions we can sign to bring about awareness and change.
As you have well articulated, and not limited to the Chinese, Cubans, Australians or any other nation, good people are alive along with the bad degenerates (those who have temporarily lost the control of their better inner nature).
By reaching these people and affecting the swinging waves of the planet, we will bring about the effective change; then life on this planet will become the idea Creation planned for habitable planets. Earth will be a paradise for all.
Savio's efforts are noble and powerful. I can see how the Mission will impact the people of China ...a people who have enriched the world with beauty, the arts, their history and culture. Did I mention Bruce Lee and his impact on the world?
Yin and Yang. A powerful symbol of a truth. In time, the consequences will have a hand at bringing to light the effects of over population and man will realize we either restore balance or we will suffer greater and greater suffering. At some point human beings will say; "Enough is enough". We just need to give everyone that little nudge they need.
Salome,
Eddie |
Sparky
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 01:20 pm: |
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> Here's a step in the right direction. It's a birth control for men called G andarusa. Made from a plant found in Indonesia, the tribesmen would chew it s o that their women wouldn't get pregnant. This seems similar to what the P's use for birth control in their food. I also read somewhere that the number o f unwanted birth equals that of the world wide birth increase. No negative s ide effects have been reported and once you stop consuming it you can resume you level of fertility. http://sartikaherbal.com/home/extract-herbal/gandar usa-justicia-gendarussa?vmcchk=1 |
Norm
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Post Number: 1513
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - 06:14 am: |
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India looks like more of a mess to me than China. China at least has tried to do something about it. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 955
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 07:56 pm: |
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Hi All
Thank you very much FIGU friends for your input and wise understanding of the issue.
The word 'overpopulation' has become a tired and worn out clique for those in the know and even a blind Freddy knows but then again how many blind Freddys are there out there who knows appreciable to the extent of the growing problem and proportional to the world population number.
Just as well the conspiracy loons aren't helping the issue by confusing this real problem with agenda 21 and eugenics.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 956
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 08:09 pm: |
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Hi Norm
You may be right Norm
Since I've never been to India I can't tell you from first hand experience of the place how big a problem India poses now and in the future compared to China although they pose the same problem nonetheless seeing as India's population is projected to outnumber that of China in the not too distant future.
In terms of the economic and industrial output and hence pollutants, India is still behind China according to the official figures from the top of my head.
Although religion may have been one among many causes of overpopulation in India, ironically it may also be one among many reason why the Indians haven't achieved the kind of level of economic development comparable to China and hence pollutants.
But who knows.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Matt
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Post Number: 401
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 06:16 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
You've been away for a while? It's good to see you back here posting again! I missed your posts, even if most of them had something to do with the Goblet of Truth!  |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 572
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2014 - 03:01 pm: |
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Thank you Matt,
Danke for the kind words.
Salome my friend,
Eddie |
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