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    Corey Member Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2009 |
Vincent, In the contact reports (I forget which one) it states that when it's Billy's turn to leave the Earth in the year 3999, it will be when he is still an embryo in his mother's womb. I assume it will be the same for the faithful. Billy has said they all won't leave at once, assuming the transporting race will wait for the faithful to be transported/relocated to a suitable planet once they are embryos in a mother's womb so they can be born among whatever more evolved society that is chosen for them and no longer in the beyond. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2013 |
Corey, Thanks a lot for your help with all that info! | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 09-2007 |
In the year 3999, they will certainly look at our time today as a time backwards, as we today look at the middle ages. It will be a huge difference. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 540 Registered: 12-2009 |
Baselineplayer, Your statement is matched in GOT 28:378 where it states that our farther descendants will look back at our current legislation and shudder with horror. It is really going to be something to be an Earth human in the year 3999 where our leadership and citzens are in balance and unison with each other with a worldwide direct democracy and our laws and actions are no longer backwards/barbaric. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Corey and Baselineplayer, And what will the year 3999 be like if World War 3 happens now/soon? If WW3 happens, does it cancel a lot of prophecies (in GOT and others) about good things that will happen in the future? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2013 |
Wars always change future historical events. Earth humans would be a lot further advanced if it were not for the last two world wars. Military weapons and surveillance get advanced; but not the Human element so much. Currently the World Banks and Religions control almost everything. If you have not seen Zeitgeist yet; it is well worth viewing. Peter Joseph, Jordan Maxwell and others are ~90% in line with what BEAM has been saying. www.zeitgeistmovie.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y N. Rockefeller: “By having this war on terror, you can never win it. . . . . . So you can always keep taking people’s liberties away . . . The media can convince everybody that it’s real.” Aaron Russo: “What are you doing this for?” N. Rockefeller: “The goal is to get everybody in this world chipped with an RFID chip.” (Radio Frequency Identification). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 12-2009 |
Matt, The good things that will happen in the future released in the forms of prophecies and predictions are all centuries in the future. Keep in mind that the year 3999 is almost 2000 years in the future, so if wwIII breaks out and bad things like radioactive atmosphere fallout etc happens and lasts for ,lets say, a couple of hundred years, 2000 years in the future is still a long way off. Keep in mind contact 251 mentions the possibility of wwIII and is a mixture of negative and positive future events going until the year 3999. Kenneth, as far as bio-chipping goes Billy in 1958 predicted and called the future system a biometric identification system *(A) and it should worry everyone. I know he said first the US then sometime later the EU will be involved in bio-chipping. I worry it may be used to enslave people and Billy has said in the EU in the future every single citizen will be under surveillance. Scary. Salome Corey *(A) sentence 40 of "Warnung an alle Regierungen Europas!" Copywritten 2005 FIGU Wassermannzeit-Verlag OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 420 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Kenneth, I'm not sure if I follow you correctly. The last 2 world wars didn't destroy the planet. The next one practically will. For this reason I don't see how there could be any sort of (technological) advancement from world war 3. Everything should go backwards imo. Zeitgeist was a good documentary. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2013 |
Matt, Point well taken; I was only referring to WW-1 and WW-2 regarding technological advancement. If WW-3 occurs, it will be a mess. A more appropriate statement for me would have been, “Most recent wars provided technological advancement.” It also appears that Earth human’s technology; spirituality and health took a few steps backwards during the wars that destroyed Atlantis and Mu. I’m sure that there are other long past Human made catastrophes that also played a role in Spiritual and technological retreat. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Corey, A couple of hundred years for the environment to recover from the radioactive mess of World War 3 seems a bit optimistic to me. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2013 |
I found this article about anthropologists suggesting Neanderthals could have become extinct from Homosapien man eating them. This is what the Meier material says happened to them. Neanderthals: Extinction by BBQ? "Humans today eat gorillas and chimpanzees, so why would our prehistoric ancestors flinch at sitting down to a nicely roasted Neanderthal? That's the shocking new hypothesis being raised by anthropologists in Spain, who wonder if our closest extinct relative was exterminated in the same way as 178 other large mammals, so-called megafauna, which are suspected of going at least partially by the hand of hungry human hunters." http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/did-humans-hunt-neanderthals-130521.htm | ||
Mark92111 Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2013 |
I saw this link and thought I would share here. Our sciences are catching up to the Meier information of years ago. http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/neanderthal-gene-cluster-more-common-europeans | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2011 |
History of Atlantis Reflected In Greek Mythology And Biblical Accounts 4 Different Atlantis CR 219 Quetzal: Quetzal: 126. Yes. 126. Ja. 127. There were four different Atlantises, so the New Atlantis beyond the Pillars of Hercules, between the Azores and Spain. 127. Es gab deren vier verschiedene Atlantis, so das Neu-Atlantis jenseits der Säulen von Herakles, zwischen den Azoren und Spanien. 128. Then there was the Small Atlantis that existed in the Mediterranean Sea in the area of Santorini, and then Old Atlantis is to be mentioned, on which later, after its downfall, Troy was built, while Great Atlantis had its existence in the Atlantic. 128. Dann war das Klein-Atlantis, das im Mittelmeer im Gebiet des Santorin existierte, und weiter ist Alt-Atlantis zu nennen, auf das später nach dessen Untergang Troja gebaut wurde, während Gross-Atlantis im Atlantik seine Existenz hatte. 129. The Atlanteans of Great Atlantis were the rulers over all four Atlantises and their peoples, for they all belonged to the same origin. 129. Die Atlantier von Gross-Atlantis waren Herrscher über alle vier Atlantis und deren Völker, denn alle gehörten sie dem gleichen Ursprung an. 130. Thus, a central government was given, but the administration of the various Atlantises took place through authorized representatives, who were called the Litent. 130. Es war also eine Zentral-Regierung gegeben, wobei jedoch die Verwaltung der verschiedenen Atlantis durch Bevollmächtigte erfolgte, die Litent genannt wurden. Message from the Pleiades Volume 2 'At that time, Crete was known as Minoa and its inhabitants were descendents of the Atlantians. Many of them escaped annihilation when they went to the Hellenian continent. Minoa remained standing, but the islands of Small-Atlantis disappeared into the sea. Mu had been the capital of a country on land. The inhabitants of the city, as well as the subterranean town of Agharta, had been extraterrestrials from the Lyra System who colonized the Earth.. Both cities were governed by a man and a woman before Mu was destroyed'. As has been clearly verified by Ptaah during the 361st contact of June 24, 2004, the eruption of Santorin volcano happened exactly 1453 BCE. He knows it from his great-grandfather Hilak’s notes who was observing the eruption. It is hardly a surprise then that Ptaah is very interested in Minoan history. Because there was a connection between (Little) Atlantis (Thera / Santorini) and Minoa (Crete). E.g. the ancient Minoans engraved its laws in bras – just as Plato reports that the laws of Atlantis were engraved in pillars made of bras. Furthermore the gods of Greek mythology were not the creators (as most of today’s religions would make us believe) but rulers of Earth – just as the philosophy of the Atlantis and the Plejaren tells us. From this we may conclude that the history of Atlantis became part of many of the popular mythologies of the Greeks, Babylonian, Egyptian, Indian and other cultures. Sure enough people of these cultures were too young to understand the “spirit teachings” and so they “filigreed” the stories a lot to make them more a talking point for their times – e.g. they may have made Atlantis rulers to gods etc. H.G. Lanzendorfer / Figu Switzerland “Gemäss Billy Angaben hat die Person Odysee tatsächlich gelebt. Vieles der Überlieferungen um sein Leben ist jedoch reine Phantasie und er sprach von lediglich etwa 15% Wahrheitsgehalt. Die Plejaren haben jedoch mit diesen griechischen Sagen und Legenden nichts zu tun. Die Sagen und Legenden um Troia und die einäugigen Riesen, Riesentieren, Halbgöttern usw. sowie Illias usw. sollen sich tatsächlich zugetragen haben. Auch hier spricht er von lediglich 15% Wahrheitsgehalt. Der Rest soll später als einfache Uebertreibungen und reine Erfindungen und Phantasien der Menschen hinzugefügt worden sein. Die Mutationswesen sollen durch sogenannte Gen-Sodomie durch die Hilfe ausserirdischer Raumfahrer entstanden und erschaffen worden sein.” “According to Billy the person Odysee actually lived. However, much of the folk lore is pure phantasies and he only spoke of a “truth content” of 15 %. The Plejaren have nothing to do with these Greek sagas and legends. The sagas and legends about Troia and the one-eyed giants, giant animals and half gods and the Illias are said to have actually occurred. But again he only spoke of a truth content of 15 %. The remainder was added as pure fabrications and folk phantasies. The mutated beings were said to be created by Gene-Sodomy with the aid of extraterrestrial space travellers.” So - with a grain of truth - we may say the more well-known Greek myths - as is often the case for orally transmitted folk lore – are sensationalized distortions of Atlantis history. Today some of these ancient myths are expressed in a distorted form in religious accounts (i.e.Genesis / Bible). It is a pity that the main Alexandrian Library (some 40,000 scrolls) was destroyed by Caesar’s troops and, perhaps, by Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria some 500 years later. It is regrettable, too, that we do not have a Plejaren history book to help us find out what part of the folk lore is true and what is not. Anyhow, the following samples may shed a (little) light on some of the facts and fiction that relate to the mysterious “Atlantis” society. Sample-1 According to Greek myths Uranos was castrated and removed by his son Chronos*) – Chronos then being overthrown by Zeus. This -to a degree- resembles the removal / killing of some Atlantis rulers by their sons: I.e. Arus XI was killed by his son, Jehavon was killed by his son Jehav – Jehav was killed by his son Arrussem. The Greek myths are somewhat more gentle – but we can see a glimpse of truth when we compare them with the real historical events of Atlantis. In today’s world religious “reports” take over from the Greek myths – i.e. the Christian account of Lucifer and God seems to replace this ancient folk lore. *) À Propos Chronos … Unknowingly we still use parts of older traditions in today’s customs/traditions : Chronos was called Saturnus in Roman mythology. The festive day to worship him (God of Harvest) was on December 17. On this day Romans first offered religious offerings to Saturnus. They then had a general feast/banquet – after which they continued to celebrate within their families. In particular they exchanged gifts among themselves. Just as we do today on Xmas Eve = December 24 (1 week later) … What we call today the Atlantic Ocean the Greeks called the Sea of Chronos. Sample – 2 Another example how folk lore distorts our present day thinking may be the story of the “Golden Apples of the Hesperides”. and the well-known biblical (Genesis) story of the (apple) tree in the middle of Eden. The “Hesperides” were the daughters of Atlas ((Atlantis means "of Atlas"). Their home was an island in the western ocean (west of the pillars of Hercules = west of the Straits of Gibralta) – their mother was Hesperis who stands for the “western world”. So the island would have to be off the north/west coast of Africa. “Gaia (Titæa in roman history) , the ancient goddess of the earth, gave Zeus a tree bearing golden apples on it. This tree was put in the care of the Hesperides, but they could not resist the temptation to pluck and eat its fruit; thereupon a serpent named Ladon was put to watch the tree. Hercules (mother human – father Zeus) killed the serpent, and gave the apples to the Hesperides.” We may compare this story with the well-known biblical story of the apple tree in the middle of the garden of Eden (the tree whose fruit open up the knowledge of good and evil). Adam ate one of its apples which may stand for the curiosity and the drive to gain wisdom inside every human heart. But while Hercules did a good deed to make the apples available to humanity – Adam’s deed, according to religious’ doctrine, was deemed to be bad (disobeying strict subordination under God) and punished. The Plejaren tell us that Adam was the offspring of an earth woman and Semjasa – an Atlantian. And that it is right to see life as a testing ground to find out what is right and thus master complications and so develop our mind. So – again the truth is diluted so that a humans should feel guilty and cherish a subordination under their god. This “you are selfish if you do not blindly accept an imagined god’s order” seems to underlie many of the confusions of mankind – then and today. Sample - 3 The Plejaren report that 200 of their leaders “Sons of Atlantis origin” had many children with “Evas” (“child-bearing ones” / wild but beautiful earth women) – they mention their oath on the mountain Hebron. Often their children turned out to be giants (“I feel like a grasshopper when looking at you”). They terrorized the world very much - only a great flood helped humanity to finally get rid of them. Greek mythology, too, speaks of a battle between Greek gods and Giants: Zeus banished the Titans = the sons of Gaia (=Titæa hence the name of her sons “Titans”) into the underworld. So Gaia asked the Giants to revolt against Zeus. It was a very hard fight – only in the end Zeus was able to gain the upper hand against these giants. From the Plejaren we know that their punishment for severe crimes is banishing the condemned to an island or planet in which he has to fight to survive – the “underworld” the Titans were banished to by Zeus may stand for the barbaric condition of this environment. Seen with a motherly heart this is a truly a terrible situation for the condemned – as their rebirth is deemed to be on the planet they die. So he will have to restart his evolution in a much lower life state – our death penalty is certainly not right but even someone condemned to death is reborn on our planet again. This is to say one can understand that a mother would be horrified to see all her children banished to the underworld – having to restart their evolution on a much more primitive level. In western countries there are many fairy tales about giants. But more serious are the religious scriptures, i.e. the Christian bible reports re. giants on earth (Genesis 6): “When mankind had spread all over the world, and girls were being born, some of the supernatural beings saw these girls were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked. Then the Lord said:”I will not allow that people live forever – they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.” In those days and even later there were giants on the earth, who were descendants of human women and supernatural beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago. When the Lord saw how wicked everyone on earth was and how evil their thoughts were he was sorry that he ever made them and put them on earth. He was so filled with regret that he said, “I will wipe out these people I have created ….” In hindsight this story moulds -1-the gene-manipulation of the Sirian overlords (short human age – aggressive nature) -2- the oath of the 200 Plejaren leaders around Semjasa (the “fallen angels” according to Christian mythology) to create offspring with child bearing earth women (“Evas”) and -3-the truth of their being a terror for humanity into a convenient story deemed to make humans feel guilty about themselves and willingly accept orders from their overlord. Resumée One can well imagine that simple earth humans 5000 years ago (Greek people 3000 B.C.E.) “idolized” the leaders from Atlantis and their deeds/creations. No wonder the origin of the English word “know/knowledge” stems from the Minoan (Cretan) city of “Knossos”> making it quite evident that the Minoans (descendants of Atlantis) must have been very “know”ledgeable. Greek mythology verifies this by telling us of Minoa’s chief engineer and inventor “Daedolos” (labyrinth, flying machine etc.). Furthermore in Knossos one can admire the ruins of a very ancient Minoan palace which some 5000 years ago had 1300 (!) rooms/niches with flowing water (pipes made of ceramic) to the rooms. Another palace (in Kato Zakros) houses the ruins of the up-to-date oldest melting furnace of humanity. Many assume therefore that bronze was first exported from Crete to other parts of the ancient world. Greek mythology tells us that their chief god (Zeus) was born in Crete which is another indication that Crete (Minoa ) was home to a very highly developed society. This should not be a surprise - the island of Santorini (Little Atlantis) is only some 70 km north of Crete. And the “God of War” – “Ares” in Greek and “Mars” in Roman mythology – sounds pretty much like “Arus” (the Barbarian). In addition this is what Plato reports re. the character of the Atlantis people: “For many generations, the divine nature lasted in within them: There were many special laws affecting the several kings inscribed about the temples, but the most important was the following: They were not to take up arms against one another, and they were all to come to the rescue if anyone in any of their cities attempted to overthrow the royal house; like their ancestors, they were to deliberate in common about war and other matters, giving the supremacy to the descendants of Atlas. And the king was not to have the power of life and death over any of his kinsmen unless he had the assent of the majority of the ten. Such was the vast power which the god settled in the lost island of Atlantis; and this he afterwards directed against our land for the following reasons, as tradition tells: For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws, and had an affection towards the god, whose seed they were; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life, and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only a burden to them; neither were they intoxicated by luxury; nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control; but they were sober, and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, whereas by too great regard and respect for them, they are lost and friendship with them.” For a complete report of what is left of Plato’s story see http://atlantis-today.com/Atlantis_Critias_Timaeus.htm Apart from the somewhat misleading interpretation of the human origin (seed of their god) this statement clearly indicates that the Atlantis citizens were not driven to accumulate material possessions – just as the Plejarens warn that such a pursuit is futile. Semjase: “No matter how much humans try to gain independence and security by material means - their pursuit will always end in failure.” Other truths extracted from Greek myths that may indicate that the gods of Greece had been the kings of Atlantis: 1. They were not the creators, but the rulers of the world. 2. They were human in their attributes; they loved, sinned, and fought battles. 3. They mainly dwelt upon an island in the Atlantic,." in the remote west. . . . where the sun shines after it has ceased to shine on Greece." 4. Their land was destroyed in a great flood. 5. They existed during or before the Bronze Age. So it appears that the basis underlying Greek mythology is the oral recollection, by a less developed race, of a vast, mighty, and highly civilized society, which in a remote past controlled large parts of Europe, Asia, Africa, and perhaps America. Inhabitants of Santorini (Thera) that survived the volcano eruption seem to have gone to the Greek mainland and educated the people living there. One could then ponder whether eminent Greek philosophers / scientists like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato were recipients of their knowledge or whether they are reincarnated citizens of Little Atlantis / Minoa. Plato’s discussion of the culture of Atlantis certainly does not seem to be an accident. (It may as well be that there was a “worldwide human evolution thrust” because at the time Socrates taught in Greece, S. Buddha taught in India and Confucius in China.) Finally there was the question whether the Minoan alphabet (Linear A) resembles the one of Atlantis = the Plejaren alphabet. Because up till today the Minoan writings are not fully decipherable. But while the Hebrew alphabet bears a similarity to the Plejaren alphabet, only a few letters of the Minoan (Linear A) Alphabet resemble the Plejaren Alphabet. Maybe the set attributed to the Minoans is indeed a Mycenaean Alphabet? Because the Mycenaean took over from the Minoans. The destroyed ancient scrolls that were stored in Alexandria could perhaps have answered this question. Because - as Plato reports - the Egyptians had kept written records and so knew much more about the past than the Greeks: When Solon visited Egypt he came in contact with an old priest. Solon “wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, began to tell about the most ancient things in our (the Greek) part of the world-about .. "the first man," and about .. the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: “O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. “ Solon in return asked him what he meant.” I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age.. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived… And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. And he continued to explain to him that the history of the past 8,000 years had been preserved in their holy books and that he was able to give him an account of the past 9,000 years. So far Plato’s account. I mentioned this – to stress how important it is that we take good care of the information we have received from BEAM. A loss of it would mean another Dark Age. It is a manifold information though it may seem not enough - so much curiosity, so many questions still remain. But at least we have a hint of the truth helping us to judge better which of our traditions are based on truth and should be kept and which of them were created to imprison our mind and should be abandoned. Because this is an essential part of our mission - to sincerely and peacefully question what is presented to us as the reason for our life. Salome | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 12-2009 |
Tat_tvam_asi, An interesting post, well written. I would just make one small correction: you wrote: "One can well imagine that simple earth humans 5000 years ago (Greek people 3000 B.C.E.) “idolized” the leaders from Atlantis and their deeds/creations." In the untranslated contact 60 Semjase puts the destruction of Atlantis at 9498 BCE (line 96. Ptaah later revealed this was 9498 years before Jmmanuel's time or 11,514 years ago from the year 2014 as Jmmanuel was born 2 BCE). Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 12-2009 |
Unless of course you meant the Greek people "idolized" the remaining folklore left over from the destruction of Atlantis thousands of years earlier, then you would most likely be correct. From your post it is hard to tell whether you think Atlantis still existed 5000 years ago, which is not the case. OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hi! Pyramids were built by slaves with the help of extraterrestials.How could extraterrestials permit slavery and even help people on Earth to build pyramids? Thanks | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Corey, Thank you for your e-mail and interest. While Great Atlantis was destroyed some 9000 years before Solon met the Egyptian priest “… (according to Plutarch), "Sonchis the Saite, the most learned of all the priests") and the listener is Solon, one of the Seven Wise Men of antiquity…” Little Atlantis on the island of Santorini (= the ancient Thera) still existed till 1453 B.C.E. *) – whether their inhabitants still lived long lives and had all the techniques of Great Atlantis I do not know. *) Ptaahs great grandfather observed the destruction and made notes of it (CR 361 / 24-06-2004) No wonder than that Ptaah is very interested in Minoan history. It is interesting, too, that Minoan culture was replaced by Mycenaean culture around the time of the eruption of the volcano. Wikipedia: “Around 1400 BC, the Mycenaeans extended their control to Crete, center of the Minoan civilization (which may have been crippled by the Minoan eruption of the Santorini/Thera volcano), and adopted a form of the Minoan script (called Linear A) to write their early form of Greek in Linear B.” Re. Crete (some 70 km south of Thera / Santorini) Ptaah mentions that Minoan culture was replaced because earthquakes became more regular and society went into decline. Salome | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 07-2009 |
> From what I recall the builders were not slaves but free people. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 695 Registered: 06-2009 |
Interesting. If you are captivated by Atlantis, this book makes a good read: The secret of Atlantis by Otto Muck: http://www.scribd.com/doc/16206238/The-Secret-of-Atlantis-by-Otto-Muck (contain translation errors) "Muck believed that Atlantis had been located on the Mid Atlantic Ridge and was destroyed as a consequence of an asteroidal impact. He maintained that the asteroid hit the Atlantic, east of the Caribbean, creating the remarkable Carolina Bays en route with its attendant debris and causing tectonic disturbance of such a magnitude that it led to the sinking of Atlantis. Muck attributes many of our flood myths to the ensuing tsunamis. With teutonic precision he pinpoints the date of this disaster to June 5th, 8498 BC. " - i.e. approximately 11500 years ago. Otto Muck had the same spirit form as Plato. Otto Muck's theory of asteroid impact destroying Atlantis matches that of remnants of Mu scientists capturing an asteroid and driving it toward Greater Atlantis to destroy it. Bigotry tries to keep truth safe in its hand with a grip that kills it - Rabindranath Tagore | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Smukhuti, Thank you for your email and the reference to O. Muck's book. Thank you as well for the hyperlink. I know that his story is close to the real events in Great Atlantis. What I did not know is that O.Muck's spirit is the same as Plato's - where did you find that? But I refer to Little Atlantis - located some 70 km north of Crete - in particular in reference to some entries of H.G. Lanzendorfer - one of the 49 core group members. He wrote in June 2005 in the Figu Forum / Switzerland: …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. “Was die alte griechische Philosophie angeht, bin ich mir fast sicher, dass es so ist. Deswegen wäre es interessant zu erfahren, woher diese eventuell erarbeitete Fähigkeit der alten Griechen, schöpfungsmäßig und logisch zu denken, kam. Und dann wenn man auch an die fernöstliche Denkweisheit des Tao denkt, kann man dort ebenfalls einige Denkansätze finden, die durchaus eine Ähnlichkeit mit den schöpfunmäßigen Gesetzen des Positiven und Negativen aufweisen. “’ “Regards Greek philosophy, I am almost certain that this is so. That is why it would be interesting to find out, where the eventually evolved ability of the ancient Greeks came, (which were able )to think with a sense of Creation and logic which show a remarkable similarity with the laws of Creation relating to the positive and negative.” …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. “In den alten griechischen Sagen sind aber die Spuren ausserirdischer Einflüsse noch sehr gut zu erkennen. Chimären, Kentauren, Pegasus und alle möglichen genetisch veränderten und durch sogenannte Gen-Sodomie erschaffenen griechischen Sagenwesen haben ihren Ursprung in fremdirdischen Kulturen. Zumindest in Bruchstücken hat sich dieses Wissen um die ausserirdischen Vorfahren und ihrer Lehre noch bis vor einige Tausend Jahre in diesen Völkern gehalten bis es endgültig verloren gegangen ist. Dabei ist - wenn auch sehr spärlich und mittlerweile verändert, auch altes Teilwissen aus der Geisteslehre vorhanden. Gleiches ist bei den fernöstlichen Mythologien zu finden. “ “In the ancient Greek sagas we can recognize very well the traces of extraterrestrial influences. Chimeras, Centaurs, Pegasus and all other genetically manipulated and with so-called Gen-Sodomy created beings of Greek Mythology have their origin in cultures foreign to Earth. At least in some fragments the knowledge of the extraterrestrial forefathers and their teaching has been maintained by these people until it was lost completely. In them we find – although very sparse and with many changes since then – parts of old knowledge from Spirit teachings. The same is as well found in the mythologies of the Far East.” …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. "Die gesamten Zusammenhänge sind sehr umfangreich. Die Minoaner waren Abkömmlinge von Kleinatlantis. Ich empfehle Dir erstlich im Kontakt-Block Nr. 2 den 55. sowie den 60. Kontaktbericht zu lesen. Im Block Nr. 5 im 92. Kontaktbericht findest Du weitere Hinweise." Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer/FIGU KG der 49 "The entire scope of correlations is huge. The Minoans were descendants of Little Atlantis. I recommend you read Contact Reports 55 and 60 of Block 2 and in Block 5 Contact Report 92." Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer/FIGU KG der 49 …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. So the Minoans descended from the people of Little Atlantis and this existed till 1453 B.C.E. = some 3 ½ thousand years ago. What is not clear is whether the people of Little Atlantis and their descendants were still technically advanced like their brethren in Great Atlantis once were. Salome | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Smukhuti, Maybe this addition to my previous post: It stems from one of the other moderators in the Swiss Forum, Patric: “Ich weiss nur, dass die alten Griechen, zu einer sehr frühen Zeit, von einem uralten Volk belehrt und in vielen Wissenschaften und Künsten unterrichtet wurden. Dieses uralte Volk lebte einst auf Klein-Atlantis, das im Mittelmeerraume existierte und durch einen Vulkanausbruch, meines Wissens vor rund 3500 Jahren, zerstört wurde, so diese Klein-Atlantier, die die Nachfahren Ausserirdischer waren, auf das Festland der alten Hellenen flüchten mussten und, wie bereits erklärt, die Hellenen bzw. die frühen alten Griechen in vielen Dingen des Lebens belehrten. “ “I only know that the ancient Greeks were – in ancient times – taught by an ancient race in many sciences and skills. This ancient race lived once in Little Atlantis which existed in the Mediterranean Sea and was destroyed by the eruption of a volcano some 3500 years ago. That is why these inhabitants of Little Atlantis which were descendants of extraterrestrials had to flee to the mainland of the ancient Greeks who they taught in “many things” with regards to Life.” Patric / Moderator So it seems quite obvious why the Mediterranean Sea (Egypt / Crete / Greece / Carthago / Rome)had such a lead in science, art, philosophy and practical skills. It would be interesting to get the whole picture – especially what parts of far eastern myths (i.e. Veda / Taoism etc.) have an ET background. Salome (When Earthlings first establish full relations with the Plejarens their first covenant should be to establish full internet access to Plejaren history books - ) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2443 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Excerpt from previous post concerning Otto Muck: Message From The Pleiades 3, Editor Wendell Stevens, pages 120,121 and 128. Meier- You drive me crazy - you mean, that this Muck would be the ancient Plato? Semjase- I do not mean; we know thi very sure. Put here a comparison between both these pictures. Here is the bust of Plato, and here the picture of Otto Muck. Does something strike you? Meier- Hm, - man, girl this is right, these both are but the sameones." Also here is a post I submitted back in 2005 concerning Otto Muck: Muck (Message edited by scott on May 02, 2014) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2011 |
Very interesting – thank you, Scott. I think we can trust Plato’s / Otto Muck’s accounts. As Plato’s mother (Perictione) was a descendant of Solon, Plato’s account of Solon is trustworthy. But even more so when one considers Plato’s philosophies: The ideal of man, the ideal of governing people, his denial of the material world in his recount of Socrates teachings*) , the fact that he never speaks in his dialogues in his own voice -"no writing of Plato exists or ever will exist, but those now said to be his are those of a Socrates become beautiful and new" - it shows a such a high state of mind – so unusual for the times he lived in – it can, however, be understood if he was inspired by Solon’s description of the people of Atlantis. As for Otto Muck’s account of an asteroid hitting Earth the Plejaren state that his account is almost as it happened. Thank you again, Scott and Smukhuti. Your information helped to frame the insight. Salome. *) His teacher Socrates taught that the correct attitude is not based on objective institutions such as customs, the state, the religion, but rational thinking. This put him in conflict with existing state institutions. He was accused of atheism and condemned to drink hemlock. As we know Socrates did not hesitate to die for the principle he taught. PS I re-lived the Greek /Minoan world view because as Wikipedia states “ Homer's Iliad functioned in the ancient Greek world as the Bible does today in the modern Christian world: as divinely inspired literature that can provide moral guidance, if only it can be properly interpreted.” When we then know that the Greek/Minoan –in fact the whole Mediterranean - world was directly or indirectly inspired by the life style and thinking of the advanced civilisation of Atlantis – we understand the magical attraction that came to the educators of beauty and culture of the Renaissance. The same inspiration comes to us again when we read Semjase’s teachings about the human spirit (esp. CR 10 and 18)” A human’s yearning lies in the joy that remains, for the imperishable life, the permanent peace, the spiritual and consciousness-related wealth that never fades and lasts forever… The human may create wondrous worlds in a dream, just as Creation consciously creates the worlds… What matters is to recognize and build them (spirit, truth, knowledge, wisdom, reality), because they only make the human free…. Wisdom and spirit are two things that amount to one, in the same way as sunlight and the sun are two things (but one).” Which heart can be silent when it reads this truth? |
