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Hunter
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Post Number: 394
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2014 - 03:15 pm: | 
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Full Mobilization: Either Russia Is Positioning Troops for a Massive Offensive… Or This Is The Most Expensive Military Exercise in World History
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/full-mobilization-either-russia-is-positioning-troops-for-a-massive-offensive-or-this-is-the-most-expensive-military-exercise-in-world-history_04252014
The issue is now with the dollar. The U.S. is broke and Putin understands everything about the gold and silver price manipulation through his agents who've attended GATA conferences. All Russia (or China for that matter) has to do is trade all their dollar holdings and buy gold and silver on the open market and demand physical delivery of the metal. At that point, it's game over for the dollar, and the U.S. economy.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Darren
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2014 - 12:55 am: |
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Hunter, I'd love to see the U.S. economy go broke if it didn't have ramifications for other countries.
The Great Satan (as Semjase once called the U.S.) having no money to finance it's evil military expansion and control of other countries can only be a good thing for world peace. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1031
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2014 - 01:35 am: |
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Hunter Billy said to the effect that after 2020 it all depends on which actions the US takes and so there may just be some hope that things can improve.
I wonder if Billy is eluding to the destruction of the Federal Reserve and the forgoing of all debts arising from this beast.
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Hunter
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Post Number: 395
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2014 - 06:00 pm: |
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Let's hope guys. I would love to see the US government completely broke and discredited also. If there weren't any negative ramifications, it would be hilarious. Just imagine the currency is worthless - how does anyone pay taxes? The IRS collapses, the Federal Reserve collapses, the military industrial complex collapses, the CIA's foreign interventionism collapses. And all deservedly so.
One good thing will be the end of U.S. military interventionism, however, it looks like Russia may try to transplant themselves in that role by taking advantage of the financial situation. We'll have to wait and see.
Matt, Billy has alluded to the worthlessness of the US currency before, and also to an economic collapse. All we have to do is look at the numbers. We don't need extraterrestrials or anyone to see that this is a historical cycle and empires always collapse. As the biggest debtor in world history, the US is clearly on a path to financial ruin.
As always, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Actually, take what actions we can for the best while preparing for the worst.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2014 - 11:29 am: |
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Russia is playing a dangerous game, the US military is by far still the most powerful force on this planet and to think that it would allow other countries to bankrupt its economy without any consequencies is certainly playing with fire. It is those people who control such forces who are unpredictable on what actions they may take that we should be concerned about. |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 361
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 04:29 am: |
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Yeah, Russia is quite a cold demon ...again. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 08:39 am: |
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That is pride before the fall, I would NEVER underestimate the Russian armed forces, and even when they are technically 'weaker' then the USA, an all out war with Russia will result in an WW 4.
If you have read the Henoch prophecies, then you know about this:
"Finally, many Asian, African and European states will rise up against the American hegemony, once they recognise that the United States of America is only taking advantage of them for purposes of war, conquest and exploitation. In this way, many countries will become puppet states of America before reason and realisation will emerge in the responsible ones of governments and in many of the population, resulting in a turning away from the USA."
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"But death, destruction and annihilation will not only rage in Europe but also in America, where much suffering will have to be endured and many deaths as well as destruction and annihilation will be. America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposal—a fact which is already the case to a certain extent today—and will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict. The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada."
Source: http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions/henoch-prophecies
I truly hope that the USA will come to its senses and sees its playing a very dangerous game, so the Henoch prophecies will not fulfill.
Dont forget: If the henoch prophecies come true, then the Americans will fight for their own survival in their own homeland, against a ruthless, merciless force.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 411
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 11:34 am: |
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Thank you Jacob,
There are certain people who want everyone else to see Russia in a certain way, but the truth is more complicated. Russia is not the utter pariah it has been advertised to be, nor has America been innocently standing by doing nothing. If you can reduce all the one-sided inflammatory noise and deafening silence to a modicum, if you can objectively look at the situation, it becomes apparent that so far Russia has not really done anything wrong. Indeed, this appears to me to be yet another conflict of interests that's been driven by a certain (unmentionable) group of people. The primary conflict started over banking debts and strategic location, then it moved on to fuel pipelines and natural gas fields, and most recently over the use of the U.S. dollar as the medium for international trades. It really doesn't have that much to do with the people of the Ukraine - but, as ever, they are the excuse.
I think the U.S. interests know that they pushed our delicate detente with the East too far, and now it's too late. The Russians have called our bluff by initiating trade directly in Chinese yuan, a wise choice for them, and now the value of the dollar is going in only one direction. Even if we were to go to war with Russia, we cannot force the status of the dollar back to being the primary currency for international trade without completely conquering and occupying Russia (and that ain't gonna happen). With this deal between Russia and China, and others following suit, the Chinese yuan is gonna replace the U.S. dollar as the international standard. Considering the way that the Chinese have positioned themselves to produce everything that they possibly can (with government subsidies and cheap/slave labor), China's ascendency is already a forgone conclusion.
I hope that starting World War 4 is not considered a viable option, but that depends on which interests are actually running our country. If we are driven by the Mad Dog ratcheting up the bluff with another Samson option, then there is just no telling what we will do. Just so everyone gets it, both the short-term and the long-term results of World War 4 are just bad, bad, bad for everyone on the planet. Just in case anyone here thinks that war with Russia is justified, that's just plain crazy - and no wise, deep, universal Plejaren perspective is needed to reach that conclusion. Even if the West moves forward with diminished global economic weight, that circumstance is far, far, far better than nuking ourselves into a poisonous oblivion for the entire foreseeable future.
Life
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Darren
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Post Number: 392
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 10:55 pm: |
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Michaelhelfert, that's right and well said!
Billy already said that China will be the world's next superpower. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1036
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 02:03 am: |
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Hi Hunter
Yeah I agree with everything you said and probably more that isn't mentioned but is left inside your mind.
I am sure we could write a book length expose on what has accumulated in our minds from all that we have been exposed to about domestic and international political wranglings.
There are endless talks out there of civil war and maybe what is happening right now may eventually lead to the henoch prophecies being fulfilled even if WW3/4 doesn't.
I cannot dismiss this inkling sensation within me that tells me that the DARK ORDER faction is hell bent on Armageddon pitting the Jews, blacks, whites, Latinos, asians, middle class, working class, homeless, illegal aliens and so on against one another in the hopes of eradicating as many human beings (the so called useless eaters) as much as possible whilst forging ahead a one world consolidated by intermarried and incest begotten ruling families as the lord over the remaining slaves to do their menial work.
Just doing a search on these elite billionaires and trillionaires reveals an unbelievable interlocking and interconnected interest of groups of people who are basically family with one another dating back to many decades if not hundreds of years who are the helm of ownership of just every major conglomerates in defence, banking, finance, pharmaceutical, agricultural, media, energy, educational, publishing, mining and many others.
Even a blind Freddy knows but according to a Swiss study 147 mega corporations control directly and indirectly 60000 other conglomerates around the world with cross ownership, affiliations, partial ownership, shared directorship and financing.
All these major corporations being owned by the mega rich families means one thing there exist a kleptocratic, authoritarian, cronyistic, nepotic elite interbred families controlling the world through debt slaving, non democratic, vulture capitalistic, corrupt, hegemonic, totalitarian, omnipresent, racist and satanic system dictating world political affairs through their proxies and tight control points bought off with ill gotten gains.
The recent stoush between US's $5 billion funded neo nazi proxies and lackies against Putin could be a revenge against the Russians for daring to stand up against the elite controlled US government going way back even before the Syrian crisis had emerged.
There is much that goes on behind the scenes that we are not privy to nor do we even know of but it appears to me that essentially there is a nondescript war going on between a small minority of kleptocratic elite globalists families against the rest of humanity for future survival, the right to exist and for the ownership of the earth.
Now how do we join forces Henoch style and rein in these psychotic rabid dogs so that we can finally free humanity from its perfidious influence before its too late.
Just taking out of the system 77,700 of these rabid dogs may do the world an immense favour. |
Vincent
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 04:38 pm: |
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Is the crisis in Ukraine really about the U.S. dollar? I seen a number of videos on Youtube that suggest this could be the case. Also some videos on push for Gold backed currency for purpose to collapse the U.S. dollar.
Russia and China Threaten to Destroy the Almighty Dollar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoKsQJBM3Do
China Converting US Debt To Gold: Wikileaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_WLSiJ8EQ |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1037
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2014 - 04:20 am: |
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Hi Vincent
I am no expert on this issue and this is just my own opinion but the dollar is just one part of the equation amongst a vast complex arena of agenda within an agenda within agenda by the rulers of this earth where Billy had mentioned that this Dark Order group within a group plays off against one another but at the same time having the same goals to dominate and control the world.
What would it matter to these people who have and own everything if the dollar collapses along with the Federal Reserve when their investments and ownership of multinational conglomerates extends all over the world who also control the world bank, IMF, BIS, central banks, investment banks, industries, tax exempt foundations, most important lands, stock exchanges, currency exchanges, commodity markets, national utilities and infrastructure, important patents, technologies, secret service, military, politicians, senate and congress, secret fraternities and organisations and many others I haven't mentioned.
It appears that the Dark Order has already prepared for the possible and maybe inevitable coming collapse of the dollar and the civil war they are helping to bring about as they've been stripping important assets, wealth, industries and technologies out of the US and transferring it to China and other developing countries.
But who knows time will tell and it always does. |
Hawaiian
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - 05:20 pm: |
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Just taking out of the system 77,700 of these rabid dogs may do the world an immense favor.
Newinitiation, that certainly sounds like a good idea just like removing the cancer before it kills the host and besides to return the psyche’s environment back to balance so that humanity can once again evolve in harmony from these barbaric parasites that exist at the expense of others.
There is mention that the yellow race of the Plejaren alliance may not just sit back if indeed another world war takes place, but intervene against the dark forces.
Now the concern I have is whether or not the unknown ET race that have been monitoring Earth for over 350 years may or may not also intervene and to what side remains a question. There is more than just the Henoch issue at hand that the Plejaren may or may not know when one analyzes the entire spectrum of events from the past to the current and to the future of not only Earth, but the entire DERN universe.
There must be a higher reason why such events are occurring on Earth such as why is Nokodemion's spirit form incarnated on this planet, why is BEAM currently the universal prophet, why the involvement of the Plejarens if one looks at the genealogy chart on Nokodemion one can deduce that there are some connection to their contribution to this whole episode and appears to be merging into the influences of the Nokodemion’s line of influence.
In addition, just the mere fact that a purely spirit-form that has already evolved past the material and half material realms, with assistance from the highest pure spiritual level, the Petale before the BEING gets involved themselves so that not only the material realms are considered, but also the pure spiritual realms too. So we can see that the pure spiritual realms have taken upon themselves to intervene on Nokodemion’s request to return to the material realm in order to once again bring justice and balance to the DERN universe when creational logic is quite evident that their existence in the pure spiritual state will not be affected by material events, yet Nokodemion still requested to return to this rather barbaric world called Earth that is infested with all sorts of degenerates including ET’s that still strive to conquer good with evil.
If one takes all of this into consideration a clear pattern emerges that images the Nokodemion-Arahat-Petale relationship direction from the pure spiritual realms towards the re-materialization, a process of “reversal” endeavor that appears in contradiction to Creational laws of evolution since it is a logical set of progression from material to half-material to pure non-material. However this intervention does have considerable merit considering the final outcome would probably be total subjection and destruction of the DERN universe had not Nokodemion decided to take personal action with assistance from I would presume all 7 spiritual levels.
Now that the pure spiritual levels have established their direction of involvement, I see that flow of energy needs to return its origin by again reversing its creational logical reason back to the direction of the pure spiritual levels from the material to half material and finally merging again into where it originated to complete the cycle of logical application from the chaos that caused this event.
The question is whether the Plejarens themselves are capable of applying reasonable and logical humane measures as what their own co-creator Nokodemion has done even though he was not obligated to do so? They certainly have the required technology and access to the half material realms the High Council, who themselves have access to the Arahat Athersata and so forth up to the Petale level. Besides if one also looks at the historical record, the Plejarens themselves was part of the degeneration factor here on Earth and so would be in their interest spiritually to initiate some movement besides what they have done so far.
Maybe doing what Newinitiation requested or re-impose the original Nokodemion incarnation decree to prevent further incarnation for certain individuals so that the whole can have an inductive environment may not be illogical in nature IF it can be proven that these degenerate spirit forms can be linked back to the original reasons for implementing the Nokodemion’s reincarnation decree. The cycle of energy application is then completed based on the same principles that occurred. This is just my own opinion. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 994
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 12:08 am: |
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If you examine various recent and developing situations around the world they seem to point towards a broad strategy of creating then promoting bogey men and enemies of freedom in the global press which translates into uncertainty, instability, fear and a need for various countries to respond by escalating their procurement of weapons to combat possible threats or enemies.
It's basically trying to get the cold war going again because such a scenario creates a huge widespread standoff requiring an ever increasing drain on GDP for "Defense" against some sort of ongoing never ending threat which off course is an ideal business model and climate for arms manufacturers and the military industrial complex.
The problem with combating terrorism is that large items such as very expensive warships and aircraft are of limited use and effectiveness against small groups of insurgent forces wheras something like a bogey man Russia is more the scenario suitable for conning governments into spending up on warships, aircraft, tanks, artillery and other expensive big ticket items so .... this requires rekindling the cold war and what better way than inciting, funding, organizing - backing "revolutions for freedom" in former soviet states close to Russia.
Piracy, separatist movements usually in oil or mineral rich areas, so called al queda terrorists on the rampage all over the place and democracy loving freedom fighters with visions of a McDonald's in every village, a teller machine on every second block plus development aid in the form of multinational conglomerates digging up a nations resources for a fraction of their actual worth and using the local population as cheap labor.
China is something of a problem because it doesn't have foreign military bases except in Tibet so what's the next best straw man .... Russia but how to provoke it and rekindle a cold war style standoff .... incidents like Ukraine off course ....
To combat insurgent movements requires mainly ground forces and their associated communications - logistics - support but Russia .... that needs ships, advanced aircraft, heavy armored land units and research geared towards developing ever more effective (and expensive) modernized versions all of which cost a fortune, have a limited shelf life, massive operating and maintenance costs and no end in sight which equates to huge profits for ....... probably the same ones who behind the scenes are stirring up problems all over in order to promote up a global enviroment conducive towards weapon sales.
Cheers.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1040
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:56 pm: |
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Fellas we do have a major problem and puns intended.
Since for any human adult now living could only have gotten to where they are now able to run by having first taken their first infant step one at a time from the initial crawl, stand, fall, getting up and then the giant leap of that first tedious walking step, this is the stage where those in the know are still waiting for the masses to go through for we humanity as a whole to finally be able to set up the Henoch model of multinational peace enforcing fighter troops.
It will be long time coming for Semjase's advice to finally come to fruition to excise and extirpate the Hebraons completely out of societal system.
Hawaiian
it's an intriguing set of views you've shared and I do agree based on the little that I know thus far concerning out of all the nonillion human harbouring planets throughout this universe why did it have to be our planet earth where the only a once in a universe case of the Arahat Athersata's spirit form reverse configuring back to the material realm to prophethood to do his painstaking mission over again to disseminate the truth to normalise and balance the degeneration happening on our planet of all planets out there.
It really boggles the mind still further when you realise you have ET spirit harbouring Habraons alive today following their old evil script of destruction and ET spirit habouring truth tellers countering this evil force as if straight out of a Hollywood script or even history repeating itself like when the first son GI Kamagol was banished by his two brothers along with his supporters only to come back hiding under the Giza pyramid to do his dirty deeds once again.
It appears that that is basically the same old history we are currently reliving once again where it has to come a time when people being sick and tired of wars and war mongers, banish these rabid dogs once again to a prison island.
Ramirez
according to my recollection from somewhere within the many pages of Billy's writings the Zionist aren't the major problem it is portrayed as but there are more virulent dark and dangerous forces in the form of China and Russia alongside the dictatorial EU of course.
I mean aren't they sick of we the masses being sick and tired of being sick and tired of their Hegelian dialetical formula of funding both sides of the war or both parties in dispute such as Russia against US where this strategy adopted from the GI has been so over used.
I am just sick and tired of these sickos and their over used sick methods to bring 'do as thy wilt shall be the whole of the law' chao and mayhem into this world.
Yet at times you wonder if there isn't a tinge of irony in this statement that 'do not revile your enemies, do not revile your friends nor the young or old as they are all creatures of creation that must be afforded the same respect as they are inviolable creatures, only their personality, deeds, action, words, character and thinking can be judged'
I mean are we suppose to love murderers, tyrants, despots, pedophiles, rapists and whatnot in the same degree that we love our parents, family, the truth, Creation and so on at the same time that we learn to separate and clearly distinguish between many forms of love that doesn't condone or agree to the Gewalt.
And what if their actions directly effected one of your close family members or even your own daughter or son, would any of you still be able to love them just the same as you loved your child that they've murdered? |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 414
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 05:49 pm: |
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What Ramirez said.
+1
Life
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 996
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2014 - 04:26 am: |
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Thankyou Michaelhelfert 
In addition to the military industrial complex there is off course the other side of the global con game being the various financial institutions and reserve banks which complement the arms manufactures and distribution networks.
There aren't all that many major arms producers though those which exist are a conglomerate of interwoven sub contractors and most nations rely on foreign purchases so to facilitate their major acquisitions.
So various countries are manipulated one way or the other to allocate often disproportional to actual needs sums of money (GDP) to obtain items which in most cases are never going to be used at the expense of education, health, infrastructure, local industry and manufacturing, research, social services, clean water, agriculture, transport and all those other things which add to the quality of life and employment opportunities for the average person.
First part of the con is convincing governments and populations that they need weapons then the next part is lending them the money to acquire those things with usually an ever growing interest burden accumulating which reduces the possible allocation of funds towards socially beneficial projects and programs.
All those aircraft, ships, tanks ...... how many unemployed teachers, police, firemen, transport workers, road and rail maintenance crews, hospital staff become the result ?
One part of the behind the scenes game is stirring up conflicts all over the place whilst another convinces governments to spend up big to help guarantee their nations security then the third part lends nervous governments money at exorbitant interest to buy basically unnecessary items which in most cases will never be used except for training purposes plus they become obsolete and expensive to maintain over time eventually requiring ever more refined and updated replacements and or service life extension programs.
It's basically marketing global paranoia then selling insurance.
Cheers.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 415
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2014 - 05:01 am: |
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Regarding love for those who threaten war...
What is love? Is it forgiveness? Is it a requisite forgiving of someone even while they continue to do some sick thing? We rightfully forgive a fair amount of insensitivity, but the subjugation of people by others, even when those who threaten war feel fully, indignantly, morally justified, to my eye this moves beyond a forgivable insensitivity. The threatening of war is simply sick, sociopathic, reprehensible beyond words. Don't use 'Love' as an excuse to acquiesce to demands to forgive such ongoing sickness.
Love is a mutual awareness, a living relationship adjusting at every moment in time with the Creation's creating. The moment love is bound to something, the moment love is defined as something, it ceases to be love but rather a facsimile. While we need some such facsimiles to build a beautiful, altruistic society, we do need this for our society's structure to exist, what we don't need is to maintain the ghost of love for our enemies when doing so threatens society itself.
Should you choose to love your enemies, which is a fair thing to do, should you choose to forgive them and not hold them responsible for their actions, this is your choice. Truly we are all the children of Creation, and as such we all deserve to be understood, but don't let this excuse the ongoing destructive machinations of a few self-centered people who really deserve to be stripped of influence and given small gardens to tend.
(IMHO)
Life
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1046
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2014 - 02:19 pm: |
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Hi Michael
I won't achieve full bloom love in this lifetime nor even to understand exactly what love really is in the purest sense and meaning of the word only that it is a perpetual work in progress.
From practical everyday experience I don't think that I will be able to achieve the love demanded from me by the knowledge of truth in it's purest definition of the term towards those evil dogs that murder, rape, pillage and kill out of sheer delight for blood, adventure, greed and self interest.
Liebe also ist das absolute Wissen und Erfühlen, das absolute Empfinden und Mitleben in Gemeinsamkeit in ureigener Form mit allem existenten Leben in allen gesamtuniversellen Formen und darüber hinaus, in der absoluten Weisheit dessen, dass die eigene Existenz auch eine Teilexistenz jeglicher anderen existeierenden Lebensform ist, dass jene aber ebenso ein Teilstück der eigenen Existenz sind, und dass sämtliche gesamtuniversellen Lebensformen nur darum existent sind, weil dem wahrheitlich so ist.“
Love, therefore, is the absolute knowledge and feeling, the absolute perception and empathy, in communion in original form with all existing life in all the entire universal forms and beyond, in the absolute wisdom of this: that one’s own existence is also a part- existence of every other existing life-form, which is, however, just as much a fragment of ones own existence, and that, collectively, entire universal life-forms only therefore exist because that truly is so.”
>> „Liebe ist absolute Gewissheit dessen, selbst in allem mitzuleben und mitzuexistieren, so in allem Existenten: In Fauna und Flora, im Mitmenschen, in jeglicher materiellen und geistigen Lebensform gleich welcher Art, und im Bestehen des gesamten Universums und darüber hinaus.
>>“Love is the absolute certainty that one lives with and coexists with everything, thus, in everything which exists: In fauna and flora, in the fellow humans, in every material and spiritual life-form, no matter which kind, and in the existence of the entire universe and beyond.
<<“Ehrfurcht, Mensch der Erde, ist das grundlegende Moment aller Existenz, so also ist sie auch das grundlegende Moment der Liebe selbst, die sich aufbaut auf dieser allumfassenden Ehrfurcht. Und da dem so ist in Wahrheit, ist es auch ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit, dass eine einmal erwachte und in Wahrheitlichkeit aufgebaute Liebe jemals wieder sich abschwächen und erkalten oder aber sich in Hass umwandeln oder vernichtet werden kann“.
<<“Reverence, human of the Earth, is the fundamental element of all existence, so it is therefore also the fundamental element of love itself, which is built on this all-embracing reverence. And since this is so in truth, it is also an impossible thing that love, once awakened and built up in truthfulness, can ever weaken again and become cold, or could transform into hate or be annihilated.” – Billy Meier, in his book, Law of Love.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm |
Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2014 - 03:53 am: |
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Ladies & Gentlemen,
Many thanks for the latest rounds of postings. That is actually what I think it is about of the recent political events or rather misdeeds. It is all around the greed and hunger for power. Very good read.
When the "Arab Spring" began, I was actually enjoying the spirit of liberty among mostly the youths in many of middle east countries who rised up against their corrupt and autocratic governments. Then the boody mess came in Syria, and now what happened in Ukraine/Russia. I did never thought that ideas of "geopolitics" and other old sins of the violent past of humanity would show up their ugly faces again. Just taste a little extra on the word "geopolitics", i.e. like in the bad old days, when autocratic leaders played their own games on people's expense.
There should be plenty of space on some lone islands north of the Siberian coast for all these puppet masters from business, religion and politics, there they could have plenty of time for repentance of their crimes.
One thing, we should never love any oppressors and tyrants or any other criminal. That is something up to their own peoples to decide what to do, according to the law of cause and effect.
Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards
/Baselineplayer
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 206
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2014 - 03:37 pm: |
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How can one “love” their enemies when their existence is based on killing, destruction and existing at the expense of others? Their “love” is greed, lust of power and other evils that are the opposite or negative energy that deprives life of its essence.
Their realms of existence is better suited being situated away from creational beings who have learned not to engage in such degenerative endeavors, yet are forced into this negative environments when these degenerates occupy the same planet. Only a fool would consider existing in such environment and still adhere to creational livings while these “beasts” are destroying the very fabric that is required for existing.
The only way for both these parties, the good and the bad to co-exist in harmony is to enforce a Cause and Effect principle whenever a negative action is imposed on another innocent, then an immediate counter-reaction occurs so that immediate response is rendered that restores a balance between the negative and positive forces of creation. Both sides of this complex equation learns from this experience and therefore both sides are ensured of creational evolution without being destroyed in the process.
That way will prevent further “eye of god” destruction or wars that destroy whole planets and star systems. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1049
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 05:01 am: |
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Well fellas this question of love, I mean real love had me stumped since 2006 ever since Dyson had raised this issue back then with this saying 'and we are supposed to love these people' when he was referring to the pedophile OTO network and child killing rapists in general he and Vivienne was battling at the time.
Up to now I still haven't managed to reconcile this perplexing dilemma of 'could I be able to truly, verily, honestly, genuinely, unconditionally, Creationally, Spiritually, humanely and forgivingly love the murderers of my own father, mother, brother, sister, daughter and son if it became a reality without me being pushed to the farthermost depth of Gewalt/Austarung degeneration.
Even Billy spoke of the 3% where even they, if pushed enough, will degenerate and lose control over themselves.
I would imagine that, to be brutally and unashamedly honest, with myself included, would most likely succumb to 'an eye for an eye' and issue of love wouldn't even register on my radar.
So all these hard questions must be considered from direct personal vantage point to truly get an honest answer.
So you can at least understand the reason why people are driven to madness by engaging in revenge and retribution and commit heinous crimes against the perpetrators by meting out the same treatment.
If some people are offended by what I have just said then at least give me this much, I am not condoning murder, killing or revenge only that when the shear naked truth is explored and people enter into the innermost depth of their being, could they truly love in the Creational spiritual sense, the murderers of their own baby girl or boy or their own parents or siblings without being tempted to do the same to them?
It's a hard one |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1051
Registered: 07-2005
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Hi Baselineplayer
But where are they?
Matt Lee |
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