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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 211
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2014 - 07:29 pm: | 
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Hawaiian I don't know about the full extent of the Plejaren intervention here on earth to the extent the Creational natural laws allow them to engage in even with the new exceptions allowed by the High Council but since everything happens behind the scene we cannot know for sure and also since they've said they cannot directly interfere, maybe it really does mean that they cannot directly interfere.
Newinitiation
If you carefully examine the behavior of the Plejaren leading up to the arrest of the Giza Intelligences both here on Earth and elsewhere, it appears what triggered that action was a direct threat to them when these degenerates shot a beam weapon the glanced off the side of their protective shielding at the SSSC. I would suspect they already conducted a predictive analysis before this occurred and activated the shielding just in case as they have done again when the Gizas again with help from their Brazilian cronies shot a beam that narrowly missed Billy while they were imprisoned millions of light years away.
Had they were successful in their assassination attempt, then the Goblet of Truth would probably never get written and the so called 144,428 would probably still be obligated to their “punishment re-incarnations.
Who knows what other malevolent ET’s still lurk around seeking to either establish or re-establish themselves with newer types of technology and if they did not know or already knows how to trigger Subconscious EMP against the Plejarens, then we go much bigger issues at hand that will make the Plejarens reconsider their present position of non-intervention, because basically distance and dimension are no longer a restriction to its applications.
What you see on Earth are rapists, pedophiles, psychopaths, serial killers, war mongering parasites and the worst evils you can imagine “living” like barbaric parasite cannibals existing at the expense of those they victimize and yet the Plejarens suggest that society should separate them from the public, which cannot be done simply because these degenerates basically control the world! Therefore in order to validate the Plejaren suggestion would require either those who follow creational laws to include BEAM, the 49 core member group, the passive members and a few thousand others all be exterminated or remove those who are in control so that the masses of humanity can once again have an inductive environment to adhere to creational development.
I think the best option will to arrest these degenerates and ship them off to the prison planet to get proper treatment and join the incarnation cycle with the 2100 Gizas who already died. They can have their own type of evolution to their heart’s desire on that isolated planet to see who can carry the biggest stick to bash on each other’s heads. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1074
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 - 10:07 pm: |
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Hawaiian you said 'these degenerates shot a beam weapon the glanced off the side of their protective shielding at the SSSC'
This is the first time I've ever come across this information so would you be able to provide a reference?
As far as what I have read years ago from And they still fly by Guido Mossebrugger the GI's triangle UFO created a sonic boom right on top of cloaked Quetzal's craft which was also stationed above SSSC.
If my memory serves me correct it was Menara who chased after it and destroyed it.
You also said ' help from their Brazilian cronies shot a beam that narrowly missed Billy while they were imprisoned millions of light years away'
Again if my memory serves me correct it wasn't the Brazilians nor a shot of beam involved but the renegade 'Sirians' who weren't imprisoned at the time but from their hideout millions of light years away created a giant hand much like what you would see in the movie The Mummy or Spiderman to kill Billy.
Also according to my recollection it was an artificial lightening that nearly zapped Billy and not a beam.
Just for the sake of accuracy can you provide a reference for what you said Hawaiian.
Thanks
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Corey
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Post Number: 581
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 12:35 am: |
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Hawaiian,
The former Old Lyrian Ringleader count is 144,207, and there was no "punishment reincarnations" as you put it, but 7000 reincarnations where the OCB would program new personalities for them to re-learn the laws and recommendations of Creation and re-learn the fulfillment of guidelines, and according to Billy, today in modern times, they have a special mission to fulfill to balance out their previous evil deeds 389,000 years ago.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 421
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 06:20 am: |
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Thanks Matt, Bruce, and James Moore,
Just so everyone is on the same page, CR 567 talks about the change in how deeply the Plejaren can delve into our thoughts. Apparently in its wisdom the High Council had initially limited that depth (by recommendation or mandate) to some more superficial level. Now however the Plejaren can look abit deeper into what we are saying and thinking, to better discern how much these two things align. Since they are unused to the misrepresentations and lying that are so common on this planet, this may help them to understand us abit more. When talking with Ptaah about it, Billy goes to extensive length in explaining that the Plejaren are not doing this cause further intrigue (as if our planet doesn't have enough of that already), but that for the Plejaren this is more of an academic exercise. Whatever the justification, I think this is a wonderful development, one which the High Council has obviously not agreed to lightly.
We Earthlings don't implicitly trust each other, excepting new-borns of course, and for good reason. Even here on this forum, even within any FIGU-associated group we establish, we Earthlings have a hard time trusting each other, and for good reason. Who knows who among us are sponsored to steer the conversation in one way or another, (although to be frank about it, it simply doesn't help any of us to dwell on this). From a young age, we practice at holding multiple thoughts and understandings together in an almost schizophrenic manner. Ever there are some among us who are so adept at misrepresenting themselves that only their deeper thoughts and motivations will tell for certain who and what a person is... we call these people sociopaths. And indeed, this is a planet where even government mind-control is household term, Hollywood movies are made about this, though the trained autonomic response is to scoff at it. Our planet uses many disparate languages, and many of those are riddled with jokes, innuendo, and and multiple meanings, nuances that are difficult for non-native speakers to learn. As long as they as are given the go-ahead by the High Council, the Plejaren can certainly make use of this ability for greater depth of prying into what makes us tick, and considering how gullible they have been, they do seem to need it.
The Plejaren might actually be able to learn a thing or two from of us in this regard, how to recognize multiple sets of thoughts and feelings, misrepresentations and lying. We are so adept at holding many sets of thoughts at the same time, and of recognizing this in others, that we may be teachers in this regard, though it is a hell of a thing to be known for. Personally, I can think of many recommendations, and certainly others can too. Let's try this:
When we have a problem, we come up with 10,000 answers.
This is Earth, after all.
However, when there are 10,000 reasons and but one answer, it is a conspiracy.
This is Earth, after all.
May the Plejaren have the best of luck trying to figure us out.
Life
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 212
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 07:53 pm: |
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Finally, dreams - which grant admission into that which is feinstoffsinnlich -
come into play when some information or other from this realm reaches the
consciousness. Thereby the human being's dream opens a world which he
cannot perceive with his rational intellect, if he does not create the ability to
penetrate into the fields of his feinstoffsinnlichkeit and make its faculties
consciously and controllably useful. Through the world of dreams, all
physical laws, as well as all spatial-temporal laws, are repealed, whereby
things can be perceived and understood which remain concealed from the
purely rational intellect’s perception, at least in the waking state. And the
fact is, that the firmer the identity of a human being, the more stable is the
state of his psyche, consequently he separates himself from other states of
the psyche and is, in this regard, practically unassailable.
Letztlich kommt noch das Träumen ins Spiel, das Einlass in das
Feinstoffsinnliche gewährt, wenn irgendwelche Informationen aus diesem
Bereich ins Bewusstsein gelangen. Dadurch öffnet der Traum dem Menschen
eine Welt, die er in seinem rationalen Verstand nicht wahrnehmen kann, wenn
er sich nicht die Fähigkeit erschafft, in die Gefilde seiner Feinstoffsinnlichkeit
einzudringen und sich deren Fähigkeiten bewusst und kontrolliert nutzbar zu
machen. Durch die Welt des Träumens werden alle physikalischen sowie
räumlich-zeitlichen Gesetze ausser Kraft gesetzt, wodurch Dinge
wahrgenommen und verstanden werden können, die der Wahrnehmung des
rein rationalen Verstandes zumindest im Wachzustand verborgen bleiben. Und
Tatsache ist, je gefestigter die Identität eines Menschen ist, desto stabiler wird
sein Psychezustand, folglich er sich von anderen
For those who still assume that dreams are just some period for rest and re-charging, think again on what BEAM is saying, it is the realm where he/she becomes practically”unassailable. “. Also there is another passage that he speaks about regarding wisdom as the merging of intelligence and experience in which experience is a necessary element in the formation of the highest order of wisdom.
What is lacking in the Plejaren is experience which can hardly be established for their level of evolution because they cannot handle the negative characteristics that often encompasses such experiences so therefore they must rely on androids being subjected to such parameters in order to learn indirectly. For example do you seriously think that they are capable of conducting such dream experiments on the evil Gizas, putting them in dire death situations in order for them to experience the final death throngs where finally their conscience rebels causing extreme guilt and untold levels of stress and pain, even though such negative actions and induced pain is against the Plejaren’s conscience, but is actually good medicine for the negative Gizas, who will probably become remorseful after such “negative” experiences, which therefore give their current personality the necessary experience to balance all those negative historical influences they have imposed on others. As an additional factor, such results will make them better candidates for possible incarnations when such experiences are added to their storage banks.
This would be a good question to ask BEAM to ask the Plejaren federation, if they would allow the Gizas to incarnate on their home worlds if they were “treated” for these types of experiences?
Cory and Matt, seems like both of you are more concerned about crossing the “t” or dotting the “I” and accepting the materials on face value without utilizing your own prospective in thinking dimensionally applying your unique experiences to add into this slew of events which is called creational evolution. One should ask whether it would have been more humane and practical if the 144,207 or 144, 228 ringleaders should have been disciplined the moment they began their insane negative action on Earthly humans than be subjected to 7,000 incarnations, which basically has not made Earth any better since there are still the threat of total destruction and religions which they are responsible for, still plays a major degenerative factor of worldly affairs.
BEAM also speaks about current action which is better than delayed response (you can research that on your own). There are many such pointers throughout the English translations which one should highlight that should be incorporated in one’s quest for answers and you will find that a vast majority of the answers you seek are there, but can only be accessed when one utilizes their own unique set of attributes that are all within yourselves and will not be found just because one follows these materials in conventional form and proceed with the mindset that “it will fall in place” so long as I be neutrally balanced and slightly positive. Because at times you will be required to become and take negative action in the present moment in order to elicit or influence a positive event, maybe not for yourself but for a certain reason that may have roots in the past, present or future.
I have posted some answers that have valid objectives and yet it appears people are more concerned about crossing the “t”s and dotting the “I”s even though it is understood as such that we are here as a collective with the same goals in an environment that is a cesspool of negative influences. I personally have little confidence that the Plejarens are up to the task of resolving the issues at hand based on their historical record and lack of experiences or the motivation to get their hands “dirty” and have more confidence that Earthly humans will rise up and resolve these ourselves when they finally realize the immense power of their material subconscious which connects all material beings and utilize it against those who oppresses others. |
Corey
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Post Number: 583
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 08:12 pm: |
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it's official. Russia and China strike deal to bypass US dollar:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/russia-china-bankdeal.html
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 786
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 03:10 pm: |
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> Why haven't you put quotes arpund Meier's information and given the specific reference for the work it was contaoned in? Why do you not separate it from your own extremely speculative and most likely disinformative opinions?
Yes, crossing the t's and dotting the i's…it's absolutely essential to keeping the spiritual teaching unpolluted so that, both here and down the road, people don't mistake speculative, uninformed, subjective opinions for what Meier has actually written.
How many more corruptions of the truth do we need to put up with…let alone participate in spreading? |
Corey
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Post Number: 584
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 12:00 am: |
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MH,
nice post. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Hawaiian,
I don't need to read and consult the handful of English translations as I can read the German originals, although I own all of the English translations. I cross the t's and dot the I's to try and prevent people like you from distorting and falsifying the (at times complex) information. Anyone who studies the teaching should be self-perfecting, and if you are not then it is erroneous. Just because we are a collective does not give anyone the right to pick bits and pieces of the teaching and "blend" their own half-read interpretation as it suits them. I have said this before on the forums and I will say it again, I see no difference in your distortions and those of the people who in Jmmanuel's or Mohammed's day distorted and falsified the teaching beyond recognition for their own ulterior motives, and founded new religions. The question is: why do your impulses say "distort, distort, distort", and why don't those impulses should say "respect, appreciate, venerate"? Don't think I follow Billy's teaching like a religion. I did my due diligence and did my own investigation and validated examples of Meier's statements/work by my own sweat and research first for a lengthy amount of time. When studying I take my time when encountering something new to me such as the laws and recommendations of Creation, and use logic, intellect, and rationality to make new cognitions, and more often then not I find that Billy was right. Critical thinking is not blind devotion.
Complaining about the Plejaren's lack of fixing Earth problems won't get you anywhere in life, and quite frankly I find it devolutive.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1081
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 06:10 am: |
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Thanks for that Michael
Matt Lee |
Corey
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Post Number: 597
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - 06:55 pm: |
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Obama is still trying to be a peace-keeper:
"Since World War II, some of our most costly mistakes came not from our restraint, but from our willingness to rush into military adventures -- without thinking through the consequences," -Obama
His words probably make the Republican hardliners in my country cringe. Good. Obama fits in this beginning stage of the age of Aquarius, GOP no longer belongs, what can I say I'm glad he is President of my country. I hope his successor is not Jeb Bush and I hope they can help my country recover from the probable upcoming collapse in 2020 and move into a new era of non US military intervention as it is ruining not only foreign countries but is threatening to destroy my country too from the inside out. A probable collapse could dwindle my countries military prowess of abuses, and what is left of the government could have it's hands full with civil war and anarchy. I am not saying Obama is the perfect leader, he makes mistakes, such as drone strikes, which are forced upon him by the dark forces of my country that seek world domination. But given the alternatives, I choose Obama and I say prematurely that the last thing the world needs is another Bush as President of my country. Either way I am sure Obama will go down in history to some as a great conscientious and knowledgeable leader to some (like me). Hopefully when he is done being President, he will investigate what I am sure he was told in secret by the intelligence services about this organization in Switzerland called FIGU, so he can study the spiritual teaching in secret and further his evolution. Then again maybe that is too much to wish for...
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-warns-us-must-not-rush-foreign-wars-144638393.html
Salome
Corey
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis
page 124 Lehrshrift
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 426
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 06:09 am: |
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I agree 100% Corey. Those who are so inclined could contact Mr. Obama and request that he look into meeting with the Plejaren (assuming their offer for an official meeting still stands). God! What a valuable opportunity to just ignore. Beyond international relations, he should inquire into the extraterrestrial community whenever the chance is given to him.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/write-or-call
Note to self: write the President a physical letter imploring him to consider the Plejaren paradigm as holding at least a glimmer of realness, enough to be worth checking into.
Life
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1089
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 04:42 pm: |
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Corey is that an explicit fact that he was briefed on ET files related to FIGU or was it Disclosure Project related letter by Dr Greer?
Matt Lee |
Corey
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Post Number: 606
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 05:37 pm: |
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Michael Helfert,
Not to go off topic here, but at least maybe this will take the topic to the conversations of avoiding wwIII: As history has shown (although I am unknowledgeable about what offer to meet between Obama and the Plejaren you are referring to, can you provide a reference?) there was that overpopulation petition that contained FIGU information about world wide birth stop and 7 year birth-rate checks, that was initiated by the now deceased FIGU English forum poster J-rod 7 via the change.org platform, that went straight to Obama's desk and bore no fruit, other then the mandate that companies (including religious organizations) have to pay for contraceptives. This was obviously a small but noteworthy positive step toward reigning in overpop, but no world wide birth stop, no 7 year birth-rate checks, and no mention of overpop in the mass media.
Then there was the information released in the 544th contact, where the CIA had established themselves in a restaurant in Switzerland, and Ptaah gave Billy the permission to establish contacts between himself and the CIA, even though Ptaah fiqured it only had a 7% success rate, which bore no fruit, other then "ridiculous demands" on the side of the CIA.
Then there is the 232 contact which Quetzal states that there will be no contact between the Plejaren and Americans until the US government changes it's ways and starts acting and developing toward the laws and recommendations of Creation, a change that Plejaren investigation shows cannot happen for 140 years from 1989 (year 2129).
Then there was the official overpopulation and death penalty and torture petitions, initiated by FIGU, that have also bore no fruit, at least to American eyes and ears.
Matt Lee: no it is not an explicit fact that Obama was briefed on FIGU. If the CIA has back in the 70's intercepted mail between people and FIGU, performed a "soft-touch" analysis on Billy (these two are from the supplemental investigation report), made offers and contacts to Wendell Stevens and Lee Elders, unsuccessfully tried to get one of their own in Billy's camp, and in 2012 established themselves in a restaurant in Switzerland to establish contacts with Billy, I am just assuming he was briefed as I am sure all US Presidents are. MH has said in "And did they listen" that many major governments and well as major religions are aware of the Meier case.
Billy once answered on of my questions via MH that "certain parties in the US government were trying to outsmart the propheicies, thus causing them to come true". This was during the turbulent Bush years, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, so you can see Intelligence services of the US government have been behind the scenes since the official beginning of Billy's mission and establishment of FIGU, or at least shortly thereafter, detrimentally or otherwise.
Salome
Corey
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis
page 124 Lehrshrift
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Vincent
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 02:10 am: |
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Hi,
I would have thought that the CIA would probably prefer or try to keep the Meier case out of the knowledge of US presidents. I guess they probably monitor all internet use of it's presidents, even their family members use. Maybe they even block anything to do with Meier. These are just my thoughts on the matter. Would love to know the truth via the contact notes. Good discussion though! |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1092
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 05:01 am: |
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Yeah Corey I wouldn't be surprised in the least that the Billy Meier case is the most important yet the most censured, suppressed and falsified UFO case in human history.
Yet what surprises me the most is if the CIA personnel looking at the case who are fully informed and know about the case to be unequivocally true how in the heck hasn't one of them as yet turned around and actually went against the policies of the institution they work for to come out like Snowden did and actually whistle blow the hell out of it.
There must be someone within that decrepit organisation who has a conscience.
Or maybe one of them will actually come out one of these days which seems to be whats happening nowadays. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1093
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 05:06 am: |
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I would also imagine that the new pope who seems to be a bloke with a conscience and actually do care about his beliefs and people will open up the secret Vatican file dealing with UFOs and other mysteries.
He seems to be a bloke who knows a lot about the Vatican secrets.
I would be surprised if it happens but you never know.
A lot of weird things do happen when you least expected it especially coming from the Vatican which is a cesspool of rotting corpses pretending to be humans |
Corey
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Post Number: 612
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| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 07:40 am: |
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CORRECTION: the 232nd contact was with Ptaah, not Quetzal. Oops. 
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis
page 124 Lehrshrift
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 795
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 08:35 am: |
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> You may find this blog of interest: http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3D2168 |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1104
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 09:07 pm: |
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Michael 404 page not found error |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 796
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| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2014 - 09:30 pm: |
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> Sorry, let's try this: http://theyflyblog.com/mainstream-disconnect/05/29/2014 |
Corey
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Post Number: 619
Registered: 12-2009
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Matt Lee,
I know the new pope seems like a nice enough chap, but he is still leader of the biggest delusion to ever hit the planet Earth. It's the release of the secret sciences that are hidden from mankind that could benefit us all and the planet substantially, that would bring an end to all religion and politics. This won't happen until there are no more popes, big wigs, etc. See FLGC "the Psyche" page 118.
Salome
Corey
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis
page 124 Lehrshrift
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Vincent
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 04:12 am: |
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Hi,
The Catholic church has taken a battering with the number of followers greatly dropping off in the Western world, due partly to pedophile priests. It's image has been greatly tarnished in a lot of people's eyes who would have expected more from the church. It makes me wonder if this new NICE pope who acts like he cares is really the work of the church to show people that IT has changed and cares in an attempt to stop the hemorrhaging of followers. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 427
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 08:43 am: |
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Howdy Corey,
I was referring to the 1979 overture for an official Plejaren-POTUS meeting/contact, initially extended to sitting POTUS Jimmy Carter. At the urging of (gosh, I forget now), the Plejaren extended an invitation to meet with the POTUS, but their offer was ignored. I don't know if their offer was time-delimited to the Carter administration. The next few Presidents probably wouldn't have received the Plejaren too well, but both Clinton and Obama are pretty smart men. If the offer by the Plejaren still stands... I know, it is it is a hope-beyond-hope.
If common, non-intel connected, Earth-bound humans are to consider Plejaren council, first we must assess whether or not they are real people. I wrote to Valerie Plame a while back urging her do what she says she does best, and assess the Meier/Plejaren paradigm. I didn't receive a response to my letter, and have no idea if she even saw it. Urging the POTUS to meet with Herr Meier and the Plejaren is probably a similarly scoffable endeavor which only imperceptibly chips away at the sense of unreality endemic to Terra.
I used to hang a printed copy of the Plejaren letter above my desk in the office. Michael Horn keeps a copy on his website:
http://www.theyfly.com/1979_Letter.htm.
There has been so much water under the bridge since, perhaps I oughta drop that hope and grasp at other straws. Thanks for keeping me honest.
Life
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