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    Matthew Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2011 |
Newinitiation - I doubt it as Buddhist texts do not describe it that way even in terms of their understanding of the spirit which they call the 'atman'. Their description of the 'Urn of Wisdom' is clear: It represents health, longevity, wealth, prosperity, wisdom, and the phenomenon of space. The 'Urn of wisdom', 'treasure vase' or 'bumpa' is further described as: "One of the Eight auspicious symbols of Buddhism The Treasure Vase (Skt. nidhana kumbha; Tib. gter gyi bum pa): The vase is a fat bellied vessel with a short, slim neck. On top, at the opening, there is a large jewel indicating that it is a treasure vase... the vase of inexhaustible treasures is modelled on the traditional Indian clay water pot or kumbha with a flat base, round body, narrow neck and fluted upper rim. However much is removed from it, this vase remains perpetually full. Wealth vases, sealed with precious and sacred substances, are commonly placed upon altars and on mountain passes, or buried at water springs." (Source: http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/treasure-vase/index.html) Compare that with the description of the "Cauldron of Life" (later called 'the holy grail'), in Contact Report 469; "Merlin received a copy of Henoch's teachings, being the first part of the “Goblet of Truth” written on Earth, memorized it and then locked and sealed it in a cauldron. This cauldron was no vessel made of gold but of bronze and decorated with a ruby the size of a cherry, and three small semi-precious stones – rose quartz – were placed in the shape of a triangle, and in its center the ruby was attached. The 33-centimeter wide cauldron was meant to collect water from a spring at the grail. The grail itself was a sacred place of a spring... a vessel was linked to the well, known as the “Cauldron of Abundance”, which captured the water located at the divine Ceridwen Spring. Merlin, the druid from Camelot, removed the “Cauldron of Abundance” from its place and replaced it with another vessel, because he put a copy of Henoch's teaching into the cauldron which he and all druids then called the “Cauldron of Life.” (Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_469) Similarities can be found between the "Cauldron of Life" in the Arthurian legend and the 'Urn of Wisdom' in Buddhism, namely that: - Both are made of metal. - Both are used as a part of religious ritual. - Both are decorated with a large jewel. - Both are used to collect water from springs. - Both are associated with abundance. - Both are associated with wisdom. Furthermore, we have the picture of the 'Goblet of the Truth', respectively the symbol for the 'Kelch der Wahrheit'.  Notice how the symbol for 'Truth' is incorporated into the symbol for the 'Goblet of Truth'? Is this why single jewels are traditionally added to 'Urns of Wisdom' and the 'Cauldrons of Life', in that, the single jewel represents the circular symbol for 'Truth'? Was knowledge of this symbol passed down, from Nokodemion and again and again through The Prophets through sacred goblets that were made so that even distant cultures like the Druids and the Hindus all shared this design in their metal urn/goblet/pots? The evidence certainly points to that. Add into that the Old Testament 'Genesis' stories of the giant 'Nephilim' and the descendents of Adam and Eve coinciding with the technological breakthrough of metallurgy, which was also mentioned in the 'Book of Enoch' and we have a link here as to the introduction of and widespread use of metallurgy and the crafting of pots being handed down from Plejaren ancestors visiting Earth as relayed by Billy. It all seems connected to me. Salome Matthew | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2011 |
Of course, the other possibility could be that the Druids and Buddhists just like to decorate their pots with jewels and that before books and tupperware, people just kept important things in pots and I am reading way too much into all of this and should stop trying to prove the case to others who are too dim or self-important to accept it and I should take up knitting or something... | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1007 Registered: 06-2008 |
You may be onto something Mathew  Cheers. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1126 Registered: 07-2005 |
Sorry for the late response there Thanks Matthew that is some great detective work! Your intelligent approach is reflective of a person who has all the prerequisite attributes to getting the Billy Meier case and the information therefrom. cheers Matt Lee | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2011 |
Thanks Matt... and I really like your name. It resonates deeply with me.  Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1128 Registered: 07-2005 |
Ha Ha same here  | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 634 Registered: 12-2009 |
Druids are fascinating. I hope in the far future when our planet develops time travel we can fill in the blanks a little bit when it comes to Druids. Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2013 |
Long after our planet develops time travel and time travel is being used in all schools to show our history first hand, I think all our past prophets, especially Billy, will be visited. I think a popular one would be time travel trips to see our prehistoric dinosaurs. If only I could be time traveled into that future! | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Charles, Re. your statement that there were connections between Egypt and Atlantis: Egyptian records report that “the gods reigned over Egypt for thousands of years before the first recorded Egyptian dynasties – which would indicate that Egypt may have been a colony of Atlantis until its destruction. Interestingly, Manetho, an Egyptian priest and historian, mentions that the Egyptians changed their calendar system around the same time of Plato’s destruction of Atlantis (some 11,500 years ago). This could be interpreted that some refugees from Atlantis that were able to escape the horror, settled in Egypt. Edgar Cayce mentioned in many of his records a connection between the Egyptians and people from Atlantis: According to these reports a tribe from the Carpathian region invaded Egypt prior to 10,500 BCE and conquered it. With these invaders came as well a priest that attempted to organize religious practices. But while this happened Egypt was as well visited by people from Atlantis trying to escape a looming conflict there. “(a man that came from Atlantis was in Egypt) …in the period when the first understanding of the relation between the All-Creative Energy and the putting (became known there)…..” “…in Egypt when people from Atlantis came in bringing laws for use of forces of nature for man’s convenience …” “…Entity waited on the (Egyptian) priest, and the teacher that gave the lessons or laws that became rituals of the peoples minds to aid the understanding of the Creative Energy…” “in Atlantean land before the final destruction – when the priest came from Egypt to Poseidia (Atlantis) to gain understanding of Law of One that there might be records carried back to Egypt. Entity returned with the priest. Pitted young Egyptian king against priest. Rebellions continued in Atlantis. Many Atlanteans made exodus to Egypt. Entity aided Egyptians in chemistry, building , economics, commerce, labour, metals. Entity had charge for records brought from Atlantis to Egypt..” Further Atlanteans arrived after the destruction: “…in Egyptian land during the time of reconstruction when there was a coalition between king, priest and Atlanteans as well as teachings from Gobi and land of Said (probably India)…” “..in Egypt when there was a reuniting of the efforts of the king, the priest and those people from the Atlantean land to become commercial as well as a religious affair in the known world..” It seems that there was what looks to be a coordinated drive to rebuild what was left on earth: “.. in Egypt at time of coalition of natives, king, priest and Atlanteans and others. Entity among natives in authority as councillor to various groups and historian of that to be preserved – native and Atlantean…” “…in Egypt during up-building of land when natives and Atlanteans were making associations with other nations – not only commercial but mental and spiritual…” There is consistency in EC’s mentioning of an Egyptian connection: the readings that mention this connection extend over a period of more than ten years. In the Cairo museum there is as well a small wooden statue wearing what could be described as an unusual dress: a type of robe rather than the kilts the Egyptians usually wore in the old kingdom. EC’s wording “All encompassing Creational Energy”, “lands of Atlantis, Gobi and Mu” - reflect some parts of BEAM’s teaching some decades later – so the reported connection between Egypt and Atlantis is plausible. It would explain very well the many discoveries that Egypt is credited with. Salome Bill PS Interesting as well that it may have been through the connection to Great Atlantis (rather than the much closer Santorini / Thera) that many discoveries and teachings about Creation and the laws of nature became known in Egypt. UFOs (of the Gize Intelligences?) were seen in ancient Egypt, too: A 3,500 years’ old papyrus which is part of the “Royal Records” state that during the reign of Thotmes III, the great conqueror and temple builder (1504 to 1450 BCE) “...A great circle of fire appeared in the sky. Its diameter was at least 170 feet (52 m). As it passed over the terrified Egyptians they fell onto the ground in great fear. The object gave out an offensive odour and caused panic among people. A few days later, several of these “circles of fire” were seen again…" | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 817 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Speaking of remembering the past, this too is interesting: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/video/2yl1Nq | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 840 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Michael .. I first read about that story online http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-reincarnation-james-leininger-carol-bowman&hl=en_US they have a ton of cases there but one must separate the wheat from the considerable chaff, with emphasis on the considerable chaff. For instance, they promote the false idea of "Split Incarnation: When a Soul Inhabits More Than One Human Body at a Time", which we know otherwise through Meier and logic http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-split-incarnation-parrellel-lives-reincarnation-past-life-research&hl=en_US http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 04-2011 |
Very interesting, indeed, Michael. Yes, young children sometimes still have the purity of mind to remember their past incarnation and are able to view past, present and future as one. Apropos reincarnation ... - If we accept re-incarnation, Atlantis and its advanced technologies as a fact then many of today's discoveries are indeed - "re-discoveries"... (As many people somehow sense that their true "home" was/is Atlantis) Salome Bill | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1013 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Tat_tvam_asi, In your above post i think that's the explanation for Nikola Tesla who was able to gain access to memories of a past life or lives in Atlantis where he was very likely a scientist and ..... they had the so called free energy meaning devices comprising no more than electronic circuits with no moving parts which produced an endless supply of electricity. He wanted to ..... give it away for free to all humanity, a noble motive and explanation as to why he had such a phenomenal reach into the storage records. He was able to produce engineering quality drawings of parts and even entire devices without corrections from memory which is a remarkable feat ..... where did these ideas come from ? Here we understand the source ..... Cheers. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Ramirez, Excellent comment. Yes, I think Tesla and other personalities of our time (i.e. Einstein, Otto Muck, Wernher von Braun, Viktor Schauberger) relate back to the time when their spirit was part of the community of Atlantis. I even think that many other people living in our world today that they, too, have a similar sense of déjà vu: I refer to what Semjase stated re. the destruction at the end of the Pelegon Peac e Period: “Shortly before this time, 70,000 human beings fled under the leadership of Pelegon. In spacecraft which they took by force, they fled through the cosmos and settled here on Earth. Under Pelegon were 200 sub leaders, scientists, competent in their special fields of knowledge. By these, and others, Pelegon was unanimously acknowledged as "King of Wisdom" (IHWH/God) and regarded as such. In the course of millenniums, they constructed great cities and inhabited all the continents of Earth. Regrettably this went well for only a narrow 10,000 years, until desires for power and control prevailed once more, and a deadly war raged over all the earth. Without exception all was destroyed, and only a few thousand human beings survived (on Earth) while others fled once more into the cosmos and settled far away worlds.” It is the last passage” without exception all was destroyed, and only a few thousand human beings survived (on Earth) while others fled…” This happened - according to Semjase around 60,000 BCE. (Edgar Cayce states a period between 50,000 and 60,000 years BCE for the 2nd breakup of Atlantis). If we imagine a similar scenario for the destruction of Atlantis some 11,500 years ago – then it becomes clear that many incarnations of today’s earth population may have a connection to Atlantis. Salome Bill PS I think the contact reports mention that some 25 million spirits of today’s earth population are of ET origin. This is a rather small percentage (3.125 % of 8 billion) of earth population. Maybe the 25 million are only those people that are directly descended from ETs = may be it excludes those that were once incarnated in Atlantis and then had several incarnations in other parts of our earth? One further insight should be highlighted: When one studies the records of the many Asian/ North and South American / Mediterranean/European flood legends they all have the same storyline: God(s) was angry about humanity being too sinful – so he had to destroy every living being – except Noah (Semites), Coxcox (Aztecs), Tezpi (Chaldean), Tamandere (Guarani Indians, South America), Ut-Napishtim (Babylonia), Baisbasbata (Hindu Mahabarata), Yima (Persian flood legend), Deucalion of Greek mythology God Bochica did so to the Chibcha Indians in Colombia. Other legends reporting the same story are i.e. the Popul Vuh (Mayan), the flood legends of Indian tribes around the Great Lakes, of the Hopis, of the Incas. This cannot be an accident – in those prehistoric times peoples did not have any means (ships / planes etc.) to meet each other. The reason for the deluge in all these legends is always the same: Mankind became to wicked, so God decided to destroy them – but at the same time saved one couple to start all over again. On the basis of what is known through BEAM / the Plejaren this could be interpreted that Arus and his successors –based on their desire to be revered as creator-gods - told this untruth to the survivors to stimulate subservience and a guilt feeling. A guilt feeling that is the basis of most religions still today. As these flood legends are almost identical they must have been told to all remaining humans that populated the earth after the destructions. To propagate this (identical) untruth there must have been some connection or massive mind manipulation initiated by Arus and his successors – not just with the Jewish people but with all the flood survivors worldwide. This indoctrination with a sense of “feeling guilty for their forefathers deed” and “being chosen by God “ if you serve him "unconditionally and without questioning" – this propaganda trick – is how most of humanity worldwide may have been lured into what is today a hard to leave mental prison. | ||
Tom Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Ramirez, From what I recall, memory of past lives is not possible for the levels of conscious development on this planet. I read that Nikola Tesla received visions revealing his designs and breakthroughs, which made me think that he was receptive to the impulses which have been released by the Plejaren’s apparatus over the last 170 years, which have produced an acceleration of our technological development. Taken from the Nikola Tesla Wikipedia page; He suffered a peculiar affliction in which blinding flashes of light would appear before his eyes, often accompanied by visions. Often, the visions were linked to a word or idea he might have come across; at other times they would provide the solution to a particular problem he had encountered. Just by hearing the name of an item, he would be able to envision it in realistic detail. English translation from Contact Report 567; But now I should like to mention something concerning your suggestive/impulse help. Through this help which you were allowed to provide in this regard to the terrestrial scientists, inventors, and researchers and developers, and so forth, on Earth and therefore with the terrestrial humanity, everything in all areas has actually indeed led to an incredibly fast rate of development and to a tremendous progress not seen for millennia. This would indeed not have been possible without your work, because normally this progressive development, as has taken place in tremendously rapid succession in the last 170 years, would have appeared only in the course of the 3rd Millennium. And these impulses, transmitted through apparatuses for suggestion, took place without the persons concerned being able to consciously perceive them. On the contrary, they assumed that their ideas, developments and inventions, and so forth, were always based on their very own cognitions and ideas. Cheers, Tom. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 04-2011 |
Just as an add-on to “humanity today” having had an incarnation during the time of Atlantis: Edgar Cayce gave readings for some 1600 different people. About 700 of these people had incarnations in Atlantis that influenced their present lives. Many of the people mentioned in these readings brought with them both - technological abilities and tendencies of being selfish. Many of them lived during the periods of destruction and geological change. According to Edgar Cayce similar earth changes are imminent. “Be it true that there is the fact of reincarnation and the souls that once occupied such an environs (i.e. Atlantis) are entering the earth’s sphere and inhabiting individuals in the present, is it any wonder that - if they made such alterations in the affairs of earth in their day (i.e. previous incarnation), as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now, they might make any changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present.” So – according to EC – the re-incarnated spirits of Atlantis individuals are reborn to warn people of our time of the dangers that our earth will encounter if they do not pursue a different path. By doing so their mind - that initially assisted to create a disaster and that today still recounts the horror of this disaster - becomes a useful instrument because it is filled with a passionate desire to save our planet and our fellow living beings. Seen more generally: It is the essence of the universal and individual consciousness to create a balance. When this drive becomes evident then mistakes become stepping stones and shortsightedness/foolishness becomes wisdom. This reasoning becomes apparent when we deeply question the purpose of our being. Salome | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 08-2006 |
An interesting Egyptian discovery: "Scientist: World's Largest Egyptian Obelisk Not Of Human Origin": http://www.wakeupkiwi.com/the-alien-presence.shtml#EgyptAliens Also,if you scroll down 2 more articles: "Technology from Extraterrestrials" | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1015 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Tat_tvam_asi, The wonderful part of all those contact reports is the continual sprinkling of accurate historical information making it possible to deduce likely answers to age old questions with some accuracy ..... more accuracy than the guesswork displayed in countless documentaries circulating on Youtube. What would be really valuable is an accurate timeline of critical events from past history set out in date order ..... all sorts of events like the building of the pyramids, ET genetic engineering, cataclysmic events, arrivals of ET colonists, dates of civilizations. About this: "PS I think the contact reports mention that some 25 million spirits of today’s earth population are of ET origin. This is a rather small percentage (3.125 % of 8 billion) of earth population. Maybe the 25 million are only those people that are directly descended from ETs = may be it excludes those that were once incarnated in Atlantis and then had several incarnations in other parts of our earth?" I think it might be .325 of one percent and off course only a limited number of those spiritforms are wearing a body simultaneously at any given time so the effective numbers alive today would be very low. Hi Tom, "Hi Ramirez, From what I recall, memory of past lives is not possible for the levels of conscious development on this planet." There are exceptions. Maybe some persons can recall small or fleeting things similar to a slideshow of scenes which couldn't come from memories of pictures in books, scenes from films or real life and this is in a waking state not dreams. There have been many well documented stories about persons claiming to recall past lives, providing detailed information which they couldn't have possibly had access to which upon being checked out through someone doing the investigating by visiting historical records such as names in registers in foreign countries confirms the information appears to be accurate .... gotta be more than a co-incidence. It's these seemingly inexplicable events which are so interesting. Cheers. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 821 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Regarding past life information, Meier has also said that people sometimes are actually accessing other people's past lives, not their own. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 645 Registered: 12-2009 |
MH, In some cases, this is possible through the collective subconscious right? Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 10-2012 |
Overpopulation forces spirits of all kinds into situations that would normally be infeasable. Any kind of spirit can awaken during any time period on an overpopulated planet; therefore, Earth is a veritable zoo of all evolutions below only the Andromedans. Recollecting past life experiences is fantasy on this planet except in the case of young children. Jack -- | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Ramirez, Yes, you are right 25 Mio would only be 0.3125 % . Even less if one had to deduct the life forms that are presently not living. This is incredibly low - esp. if compared with Edgar Cayce's quote (40 % of his readings refer to re-incarnations in Atlantis and there is proof that people could remember and find the locations of past incarnations that he told the persons he gave readings). But to my memory the 25 Mio mentioned in CR refer only to spirits that were born o/s of our solar system. In other words the percentage of 0.32125 % may not refer to Atlantis incarnations: Those Atlantis people that were born and died on our planet are not ETs and may not be included. This would make more sense - esp. since Semjase states that after Pelegon's peace period there were hardly any survivors left. Then with Atlan many new Plejaren people arrived. I would imagine that Atlantis was much more dense populated than other parts of Earth: People living during the Stone Age had no means to build houses, had no fire, had to hunt for the daily nourishment of the family etc. – they could not propagate as well as people living in Atlantis. In addition the northern part of our planet was completely iced up (up to a latitude "New York - London - Paris ...” - Europe did not benefit from the warm Gulf Stream until well after 9498 BCE) It is true that the CR give us much more precise data than any of our history books or legends. They certainly help us to better understand the ancient myths and legends or the Genesis (as in e.g. the bible). But there are still many questions unresolved. Salome Bill | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 823 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Actually I don't know. But lots of stuff seems to be conencted to the subnoxious. |
