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    Cpl Member Post Number: 655 Registered: 08-2004 |
While not limited to the Apollo 11 mission the following video (in two parts) is an excellent coverage of the subject of the Apollo hoax. It could serve as a good introduction to the subject for discussion with others who are yet unaware of hoaxing that went on in the program. It also underscores the fact that photographs taken in outer space will be exposed to radiation, as were Billy's; this should be the norm, not the exception. The video covers NASA photographs, the rockets and engines, the scenery and very much more. Be sure to also watch Part II at 55mins to one hour in. Each part is about one and a half hours, but very well worth the viewing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2780 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Chris.... I think, very valuble input is that the can containers of footage of the Apollo 11 are MISSING, or Stolen! Someone does not want us to know that facts as they truly are??? So, this may give some hint??? Edward. | ||
Stevel New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2012 |
Justsayno:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA12978_modest.jpg I don't believe this point was ever explained. So after reading these forums for a number of years without contributing, I will do so.  The shadow cast by Surveyor 6 is actually on the correct side. Interpreting 2D images of 3D objects can often trick the mind. It is easy to see the circular formations as mounds/hills when in fact they are craters, depressions in the ground. The left hand edge of each crater is casting a shadow. Voila! | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hey Steve, so good of you to finally join in. I don't know how you managed to keep quiet for so long, I never could. Your explanation is exactly what I thought at first. Until you start studying shadows and how the sun reflects off of things in our own environment. I don't buy the "these are all craters" line. Some are craters, some are mounts, can you spot the difference? Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Stevel New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2012 |
Justsayno:
I have actually been reading these forums for about 7 years without posting.
Ah, well, there lies a problem. The environmental conditions on the moon are vastly different to those on Earth.
And I don't buy that you would just not buy it.  Can you be more specific? . | ||
Villatlf Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2009 |
The shadows look fine to me. The sun light is going from left to right on the image. The surveyor 6 elevation is around 2,5 meters, and the sun in this photo is at 8 degrees of elevation casting a shadow of 18 meters long. It would be nice to check Apollo 11 images (which is the Apollo 13 equipment, right?). More detail on Surveyor 6 photo here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc-20100322-surveyor6.html Francisco | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 576 Registered: 10-2009 |
The sun shining on an object is the same on earth as it is on the moon. Since you know surveyor 6 is above ground, you can use that in determining which side the sun is shining from. Which side is shinier? Now imagine that those aren't craters, but mounds because every photo I saw of astronauts on the moon show hills and mounds. I think the sun is coming from the right side of the photo which makes the surveyor shadow on the wrong side. Don't worry, there will be other countries willing to share their information other than NASA and their doctored photos. India sending unmanned probe to Mars for example. What's NASA going to do then? I think they should come clean now to save themselves embarrassment later on. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 579 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hey Steve, why is it that after 7 years of peeking, your only concern is a stupid NASA photo. Do you work for NASA? Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Stevel New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2012 |
Have a look at the following link. http://featured-sites.lroc.asu.edu/view_site/17 There are 6 images of the Surveyor 6 site taken at different solar inclinations. You can see how much the terrain appears to change as you move the slider. The position of the Sun can be determined with ephemerical data. The surface is actually quite smooth by Lunar standards, but low sun angles emphasize the slightest relief. This caused some disorientation with Apollo crews when in Lunar orbit. Shadows are extremely hard (little to no falloff) and pitch black. The shadows in the craters have a flattened-off 'peak' indicating a flattened crater floor. This is a very common feature of middle-aged craters, so these are young to middle-aged. The Surveyor program was designed to provide neccessary data for the Apollo landings. Without it there could be no Apollo. And Apollo did occur. You say the LRO images have been doctored. If they had been, would those responsible make a mistake that a 12 year old would not make? Highly unlikely. As for other countries sharing there own data, well yes, China has already done so and produced the highest resolution images of the Moon ever taken. The Chang'e 2 orbiter produced an entire Lunar map down to about 2m resolution over the last few years. I believe that all of NASA's hardware is where it's supposed to be. Unfortunately India's Chandrayaan-1 did not have the resolution to record any Earth hardware. Japan has also had some success. As far as topography is concerned, there may be RADAR and LASER altimiter elevation data available, but I don't know if resolution is high enough for small features? Francisco:
It's a very interesting theory isn't it? Certainly do-able. I've always found it a huge coincidence that the mission that went wrong was number 13. . | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 580 Registered: 10-2009 |
Steve@LROC, the shadows in the crater have a peak because it's a hill, but nice try LOL. The moon is not smooth, who freaking told you that? That's like saying the earth is smooth. The reason the shadows are pitch black is because they've been blurred out, that's pretty obvious even to a 12 year old. Everyone here knows that NASA photos are routinely doctored. Are you of the mindset that NASA doesn't make mistakes? So when is NASA going to come clean that the dark side of the moon has a huge bulge? Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Stevel New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2012 |
Hi Justsayno. No, I don't work for NASA. I simply have a personal interest in this subject and thought it would be a good way to join in. I read the other forum topics aswell. What I have written is not my opinion, guess-work, or theory etc, it is the truth. The photo was originally your concern was it not? I am simply trying to address it. I accept that Apollo 11 was/is a deception, but can offer nothing new in that regard. However, there is no mystery or conspiracy regarding Surveyor. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree and be friends? Pretty please? . | ||
Stevel Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2012 |
Hehe, I live here: http://goo.gl/maps/PYN1L My house is right in the middle of the screen. Scotland has no space agency.
The only hills of that shape on the Moon are volcanic domes and they don't look like that. They are usually a lot bigger too. As craters age (over millions of years) the bottoms flatten out due to natural processes. New craters are like an inverted cone.
I said neither that it was smooth or not smooth. It is both. Please don't twist my words. There is little erosion on the Lunar surface any more compared to that on Earth, but there is erosion from ageing and most notably bombardment. Particles from the Sun and the rest of the galaxy contribute to this. However, there are also countless rock formations, both small and enormous, that are sharp and jagged.
Blurring during post processing won't darken shadows, but increasing contrast will. The exposure latitude of the capture device will also affect shadow density. However all of that is rather moot as ALL of the Apollo Astronauts couldn't emphasive enough just how black the shadows were. They have seen it with their own eyes. Or do you think the Plejaren are lying?
You are correct. In fact they have to. Spacecraft that visit other astronomical bodies often carry imaging devices that are not designed to take pretty pictures but to perform spectral analysis to help determine the chemical composition of the surface. False colour images must therefore be generated for media usage.
Certainly not. All humans make mistakes.
I know nothing of that. What do the Plejaren say of this? Now please, let's not fight. My best wishes to you. . | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 583 Registered: 10-2009 |
Yes that photo was my concern...3 1/2 years ago. Since your “truth” is nothing more than NASA & LROC’s official lines, how do you know it’s the truth? I just went on the LROC site and looked at the first 25 pages and see they’ve resorted to telling which side the sun is shining from, LOL. That was an issue? Of course it was because I know damn well whatever they are saying, the opposite is true. The sun doesn’t lie. So you are here to tell us they've fixed the problem? Classic! The LROC bombing of the moon in October 2009 puts NASA and LROC on my list of morons who have no concern that they may push the moon into a slightly different orbit. They don't give a shit about that, they just want to blow shit up. Can we be friends? I would suggest you go on the How you found Billy Meier thread and introduce yourself. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Villatlf Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2009 |
Stevel: The Apollo 13 hoax is not my theory. It is what the Plejaren told Billy really happened. They say there were two hoaxes: Apollo 11, where the astronauts did not landed on the moon, and the Apollo 13, where the astronauts, in a very short mission, went to the Apollo 11 site, and left there the required equipment. NASA did land on the moon, but the first mission touching down was Apollo 12. Apollo 13 did not suffer damage, and the moon module and the required equipment was left in the Apollo 11 site. It explains why the latest moon surface photos show something on the Apollo 11 site. You may watch Billy comments about it in the movie “As the time fulfills” from Michael Horn. Billy comments and the whole story are very interesting. Francisco | ||
Stevel Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2012 |
Hi Francisco. I was unaware that the Apollo 13 bit had actually been confirmed as part of the hoax by Billy. So thanks for that. I will watch 'As the time fulfills.' Best regards. | ||
Curlymoses Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2006 |
Ron Howard, director of the movie Apollo 13 staring Tom Hanks, talks about "national secret" Apollo 11 moon landing hoax on the TV comedy Arrested Development from the LEM (Lunar Excursion Module). The full episode in better quality can be seen on Netflix, but here is the only version I know of on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9OQwZDTPoU | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2012 |
The Apollo 11 landing may have been an understandable hoax in the era of the height of the Cold War, but the part about #13? That is a head-scratcher, especially with 12 being an acknowledged landing which happened in 1969?... The Ps said the first landing was in 72 which would be roughly Apollo 14 or 15. Jack -- | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 05-2008 |
nice find Curlymoses ... right out of the Meier material .. apparently no need to give credit where credit is due when the source is Meier http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1511 Registered: 02-2000 |
That is amazing! How could they get that so accurate. Verlanis, The Ps said Apollo 12 was the 1st. landing. | ||
Learnmore12 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2014 |
My question is regarding the moon landing of Apollo 11 that took place in 1969. If that footage was a fake, when did Americans first land on the moon? | ||
Learnmore12 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2014 |
Nevermind my question about the moon landing. Thanks for the post by one of the members on the forum regarding this matter, where I found my answer. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2013 |
Update on the Apollo 11 was hoax For what it’s worth; a very close friend that was involved in the investigation of Apollo 11 before the so called moon landing occurred. He told me that he was one of the Federal investigators (name redacted) that were assigned to investigate the inappropriate amount of monies being spent during the Apollo 11 mission. The trail led him to New York. When this agent arrived at this specified location; NASA Federal law enforcement stopped the agent from entering; the agent (name redacted) presented his federal badge and said, "I have orders to investigate this site, I’m going inside"; several minutes passed; the federal agent then received communication from his superior to stand down immediately! His orders were rescinded. The investigating agent never made it inside the Hanger. Someone very high up the ladder was pulling the strings. In this agents words; “Yep, I’m one of the firm believers who strongly believe there was a hoax. The old Grumman Aerospace hangers in Bethpage, Long Island, New York, is where the event took place.” | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 644 Registered: 12-2009 |
Kenneth, That was a juicy tid-bit of information! Is it just me, or did I read it somewhere in the notes that in the future, other countries will find out the truth that it was a hoax, and everything will come out? I honestly cannot remember the details... Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1024 Registered: 06-2008 |
A funny thing happened on the way to the moon ...... 47 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4 Cheers. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2013 |
When you know the truth; this celebration just doesn't feel or seem right. Moon Day, July 20. Celebrating the first landing of human beings on the moon in 1969. "That's one small step for man; one giant leap for mankind." | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2011 |
But still its awesome to know the truth! | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 629 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Kenneth, I like to celebrate it as the first moon landing HOAX, it makes for interesting conversation. Ask anyone who's celebrating how NASA managed to drop those cameras on a fly-by and how did they land upright and ready to film in the most perfect spot to capture all of the eagle and Neil stepping out? To this day, are we even capable of doing that? No we aren't. The camera would break on impact or it wouldn't be in the right spot and only get half the eagle. But we are to believe that in 1969 NASA could do that? If it was filmed live like NASA said how come we didn't get to see the camera crew setting up? Only the 37 members of NASA, Billy, the Plejaren and their federation know for sure Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. |
