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Author Message Scott Moderator Post Number: 2475 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 06:40 pm:        Hi Blake, Yes, I have been perplexed and puzzled by the different explanations regarding the planet Akart. A few years ago I asked a question to Billy regarding the similarities between the book Contact from Acart and what has been mentioned in the contact notes etc. and was told the book was nonsense. If the book was based on a "real vision" experience by Artur Berlet which was cited in the contact notes, then on one hand it is nonsense because it didn't happen, but on the other hand it was conveyed as real based on Mr. Berlet's "real vision" then it was a real account of his experience as he understood it. If the purpose of a "real vision" is to convey to the person a sense of reality to what he is seeing and experiencing, then it can be considered real to that person. You make a good point considering on one hand the "Akartian's" appear to be primitive in their space travel efforts, but on the other hand to travel into different dimensions would seem impossible for that level of development. Piyali Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 08-2012 Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 06:47 pm:        This would be a great question to ask Scott, Blake, in the next round of questions to Billy. I am very curious too, as well as confused. Salome with Love ~ Piyali Michael_horn Member Post Number: 873 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 07:40 pm:        > Tat_tvam_asi, I agree. And let me tell you, number 837,113 is a whopper. Corey Member Post Number: 689 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 12:57 am:        Well the Akartians may be primitive in their space travel technology, but they are probably several hundred years ahead of our terrestrial space technology of our secret crafts. After enough centuries pass, and our race has a space travelling culture, & our race starts experimenting with developing beyond sub-light speed travel, and with space/time inter-dimensional technologies, it may make more sense how the Akartians are able to penetrate another dimension, but still are so primitive that they have to use narcotics and a space station to make the 5 light year journey. I hope I am not experimenting with it in a future incarnation, I sure as heck do not want to be stuck in some other dimension, never to reincarnate on Earth again. Hopefully I leave that to someone else until the operations are fully successful! It amazes me that the Old Lyrian's were able to travel all the distance from Lyra to Earth 389,000 years ago, which ranges from several thousand, to several million light years. Even if it was Erra they came from, were talking an incredible amount of light years. They must have possessed faster then light speed even way back then, as well as be able to penetrate different space time configurations. They way the Old Lyrian forefathers passed down these technologies from generation to generation to become the modern day Plejaren is astounding, unlike what happens here on Earth, reset everything to zero once in awhile, be it a deluge, or a war, so everything is lost. It's not just technology, the Old Lyrians handed down consciousness evolution information, reincarnation information, wise sayings, the laws and recommendations of Creation: such as what is found in OM generation to generation. All of this became lost here on Earth long ago, until the prophets, and finally Billy. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 09:34 pm:        Re. Arthur Berlet (AB) All records about AB show that he never had the desire to become rich and famous on account of his encounter. In addition he seems to have had only little (2 years) formal education – http://rune.galactic.to/acart2.html On the other side stands the account of the Ps that their forefathers were not able to control or punish renegades that were within their own race, that had a desire to be famous, to be adored, and to rule the world - and that negatively manipulated the minds of many religious and political leaders on our planet. So it would seem hardly logical to criticize AB or even call him a fraud for an experience that was true or that he felt as being true: Consequently the Ps never spoke negatively about him. (I cannot find all the CR notes but I think this is true) In my opinion … AB told about “his experience” steadfastly because his mission in life was to warn us Earthlings of the grave danger of overpopulation. Salome, Bill Vincent Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 06-2013 Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 10:29 pm:        Beli Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 10:01 am Hi Scott.Greetings from Zurich ...actually wanted to ask Billy ,if he knows anything about ancient Illyrians people once were living in the place known a Ballkan, and about Divine Pellasgs, Homer used to say,ancient proselenes living in ancient Greece, and if he knows anything about The Alexander the Great, the immperor of ancient Macedonien salome beli ANSWER: No, Billy doesn't have special knowledge about those historic people or persons. Greece says vast, significant ancient tomb unearthed in north Aug 12, 2014 ATHENS (Reuters) - Archaeologists have unearthed a vast ancient tomb in Greece, distinguished by two sphinxes and frescoed walls and dating to 300-325 B.C., in the country's northeast Macedonian region, the government said on Tuesday. It marks a significant discovery from the early Hellenistic era, although a Culture Ministry official said there was no evidence yet to suggest a link to Alexander the Great, who died in 323 B.C. after an unprecedented military campaign through the Middle East, Asia and northeast Africa, or his family. The official said the Amphipolis site, situated about 100 km (65 miles) northeast of Greece's second-biggest city Thessaloniki, appeared to be the largest ancient tomb to have been discovered in Greece. Archaeologists, who began excavating the site in 2012, expect to enter the tomb by the end of the month to determine out who was buried there. "It looks like the tomb of a prominent Macedonian of that era," said a second culture ministry official, declining to be named. Alexander the Great died in Babylonia, in what is modern Iraq, and his actual burial place is not known. Archaeologists have found two sphinxes, thought to have guarded its entrance, a 4.5-metre-(yard)-wide road leading into it, with walls on both sides covered by frescoes. It is circled by a 497-metre-long marble outer wall. Experts believe a five-meter-tall lion sculpture previously discovered nearby once stood atop the tomb. "It is certain that we stand before an especially significant finding. The land of Macedonia continues to move and surprise us, revealing its unique treasures," Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said on Tuesday during a visit to the site. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/12/us-greece-tomb-idUKKBN0GC19J20140812 Markcampbell Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 05:32 pm:        I have wonder if there is a connection between Arus ( Arussem ) and the Armus people who became the Armenians . Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:22 pm:        Hi Scott - re. your post 2475: Apart from the possibility that Arthur Berlet did not at all visit planet Akart: Maybe it was the fact that the book remarked that the Akartians believed in God and that they were praying and giving thanks before any meal? I cannot judge whether Arthur Berlet’s notebooks really reported such or if this was only in the published book. But these published statements may not have struck a cord with Billy . Salome Bill Markcampbell Member Post Number: 898 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 01:47 am:        Not to be confused with the Armed-mericans . Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 07:06 am:        Hi Scott, I have been re-reading and re-thinking Arthur Berlet’s story re. visiting planet Akart. First I need to correct my statement about his mission. If his story were true then he may have kept on telling his story to 1) Warn us Earthlings about the strong possibility of a devastating nuclear war 2) That countries on stop fighting each other and develop a global rather than national governments 3) Furthermore to tell us if a nuclear war was fought than no-one would win 4) Tell us that the people of Akart would come after such a war to assist in the reconstruction and radio-active cleanup of our planet 5) And that some of the Akart people would settle on our planet because their planet is overpopulated. So – if true - his mission was to bring us the above messages from the Akartians rather than “warn us the dangers of overpopulation”. In reviewing AB's case three points should be mentioned: a) A. Berlet was away from his home for some 11 days. b) According to Billy he never went onto a spaceship – so his report – well-meant as it may be – is doubtful. c) But that some contact took place – even the Ps confirm that. Maybe his contact was as Semjase said in CR 37 a “real vision”. Semjase defines a real vision contact with ETs as follows (CR 37): "Through these visions, which can be called forth when desired and are controllable, different extra-terrestrials - and also we ourselves - influence life forms, for in this way to give them specific impressions which are educational for themselves and which they should also make available to others through dissemination, in order to purposefully influence their surroundings . 147. These controllable visions are so all-out realistic that the affected life form gains the conviction, that he/she has experienced the vision as reality." She mentions, too, that these visions would take as much time as if they really happened. A. Berlet was not a fraud – he did not try gain from telling his story. But perhaps the Akartian's overpopulation is a serious problem. So serious that wanted to let us know that their visits now and in the future are friendly. They may have done so via a “real vision”. It would explain AB's and Billy’s statements quite well. Salome Bill Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Monday, September 15, 2014 - 08:08 pm:        Platonic Teachings - Source Atlantis? In previous discussions we have highlighted the fact that many “inventions” / “discoveries” attributed to people of the Mediterranean (Crete, Egypt etc.) may have had their origin in Atlantis. I would like to extend this search by asking what similarities exist between the philosophies of Mediterranean cultures and the philosophies that the Ps told us about their civilization. Among the many philosophies that we find in the ancient world – the thoughts of Plato are certainly well worth discussing. His was the first account of Atlantis. In his much later incarnation as Otto Muck he gave us a very detailed report of the destruction of Atlantis and its aftermath. The Ps confirm that his account is fairly accurate. So – how do his philosophies compare with those of the Ps (e.g. Semjase’s/TJ/Ptaah)? But first some background information about what formed the consciousness of “us humans today”. One great questions dangles like a Damocles’ sword over the development of many of our sciences today: “Why were Aristotle’s ideas so favoured and became the dominant influence of western thinking for many centuries?” Aristotle told us that man could explore the natural world by using his senses to find insights by means of “observation and experiment”. It is true that this system served humanity well for more than 2000 years. It lead to many discoveries. But over and over again rules that were celebrated one day were old and outdated the next. Plato, in contrast, explained the world on the basis of the human, his reasoning and his mind. He explained that the visible world is not real but consists of particulars “shifting around, like shadows cast on a wall by the activities of their corresponding universal Ideas or Forms. Whereas the visible world of particulars is unreal, the Forms occupy the non-observable yet true reality and are real.” So it is the idea or mind that creates this world like a skilled painter. And it is in our time – some 2500 years later - that there is a slight opening up to his point of seeing the universe. E.g. Max Born, one of the famous man of quantum physics: “I am now convinced that theoretical physics is actual philosophy.” Could it be that Plato’s philosophy expressed what he knew about the way the people in Atlantis were thinking? Fact is that Plato only mentions Atlantis in his report of Solon’s meeting with the priest of Sais. It is true that the Egyptians reported that they received this information “by oral traditions”. And maybe that is why Plato’s account of Atlantis was ridiculed by his famous disciple Aristotle who called it a “tale”. Fact is, too, that Aristotle’s views and “ratings” were much more publicized (scrolls/books) and transmitted through the generations - why? Why did hardly anyone talk about Atlantis until the Aquarian Age ? Until Ignatius Donnelly’s 1882 book (“The Antediluvian World”) gave it credence ? Well, Aristotle’s father was a doctor serving the Macedonian king. He had his son Aristotle educated by Socrates and Plato – after finishing his education Aristotle continued as a teacher: He stayed with the Platonic Academy for some 20 years. So it is no surprise that the Macedonian King Phillip appointed Aristotle to educate his son Alexander. With Alexanders rise in power wealth and power was allocated to Aristotle. Aristotle used it to have books written and schools built. Plato’s / Socrates life was different. Socrates was sentenced to death by the community elders of Athens for standing firm behind the idea that man should always question the morals he has been taught ("You set a bad example for our young citizens".) After his teacher's (S.) killing Plato left Athens for Syracuse/Sicily to promote his ideal of a philosopher-king. But it ended in disaster - he only just escaped being killed, was sold into slavery. Luckily a friend paid the ransom to free him. That is why Aristotle’s views – much more than Socrates’ / Plato’s – are what influenced our world. For more than two millennia. Plato ‘s ideas ? Aristotle mentioned them - but often did not believe in and replace them with his own. Aristotle was a realist in the true sense of the word Plato’s idealistic works like “The Republic” , “The Laws”, long speeches about the afterlife etc. were not for him. In the end his disdain made most people think of Platonic theories as “utopia”: The Latin “utopia” means “nowhere” in English. As for Plato ‘s “tale of Atlantis” - Aristotle called it a means to promote his political and philosophical “ideas”. Re-iterating my question: Could it be the other way around? Maybe Plato knew much more about Atlantis than what we are told in his “Timaeus” dialogue. Maybe the priest of Sais told Solon much more. After all Solon (a relative of his mother) was one of the 7 wise men of antiquity and a statesman. He surely must have been interested to find out what makes a society live peacefully together. Let us try then to compare Aristotle’s and Plato’s writings with the Spiritual Teachings. Overview Very generally speaking – Plato declares that humans can know the good and virtuous. And that knowing it they can do it. So his dialogues and the conclusions he derives from them – they are to discover how humans can know the good and what it is exactly that he knows. Aristotle and the scientists that followed him through the millennia may have based their studies on observing varied phenomena of the world of our senses and mundane experiences – e.g. discussing constitutions known to them. But Plato approached his ideals through thinking rather than observing: True knowledge is only attained through the right way of thinking. Governing People Plato’s views were more angled towards the people and less the way they ruled – as long as the ruling is fair and equal. He was aware of the defects of all constitutions known to him and so he preferred to approach the question from a different angle. He tried to discover the nature of justice since for him it was justice that held all societies and the universe together: The Greek word “cosmos” (English: “order”) is a testimony to that. Each man has to do the task that is fitting for him and if he did so then society would be a just one. Plato believed that the talented should rule a society (republican meritocracy), he wanted a philosopher king to be on top. His more than communist ethics re. family / property this life style for the “guardians” may be questionable though they seem to intend to only stamp out corruption and competition among the ruling class. Aristotle said every citizen can vote. Plato said that there should only be a few that can vote - his prediction: “Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.” Today's “Western Democracies” look like a testimony of Plato's statement: Not the “demos’” but government spy services seem to rule. Using the P's direct vote as a direct form for political decision making is missing. But the Ps “wisdom king” is similar to Plato’s “philosopher king”. Metaphysics and Main Philosophies Aristotle’s doctrine of god as the first unmoved mover is the main point of his metaphysics. It was adopted easily by most Judeo-Muslim-Christian religions. In fact the Muslims translated Aristotle’s philosophies and made them a part of early Islamic philosophy.. Is there a likeness of Aristotle’s concept of "unmoved mover”? Not really: (Plato - discussing the “Soul”): Every motion proceeds from a mover. The first mover that moves is the soul (“Nous”). Plato then alludes that beyond us human = brute souls there are some or more divine souls. They supply the motion of the heavenly bodies and thus govern the universe. According to Plato the “Nous” is a non-physical (spiritual) component in man with which he thinks. Thinking, he says, is an activity of man’s soul. The “Nous” of ordinary humans is able to perceive forms and ideas. But it has to develop the view to see both of them as spiritual. As e.g. his parable of a cave dweller wants to express: People inside a cave are only able to judge what happens in the real world from the shadows they see on their cave wall. He then explains that the philosopher is like a prisoner who was freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality o/s the cave rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners. Given the right education (by a philosopher) man’s mind is able to free himself and realize that earthly appearances are merely reflections of a higher non-physical reality. In his many dialogues Plato made it clear that the world of forms contains the universal archetypes of all visible objects on earth. In “Phaedrus” Plato describes how the soul before its incarnation in a body passes through the spiritual world and is able to perceive all the archetypes, “justice, its very self and likewise temperance and … the veritable knowledge of being that veritably is.” Reason alone can behold the truth that we realize in afterlife , and all true knowledge is knowledge thereof. The objects man visualizes in real life –e.g. animals, plants, humans - are specialized forms but each contains a little of the universalized archetype. Even abstract ideas as “justice”, “peace” are not yet understood in the universal archetypal sense. But man can come close to understand their nature through logical thinking employing his Nous. “(True) Existence exists outside space and time, the Forms (we perceive) are the universals - they act like templates from which particulars manifest…”. Socrates and Plato declared the world is in constant flux, much as Heraclitus had commented, "You cannot step into the same river twice". Plato may use the word soul instead of spirit for the non-physical component in man. The “Spirit” according to Spiritual Teachings does not create thoughts. So there are differences. But is not a little of the Spirit of Creation in all particles of the material universe? Does not everything in the universe trace its origin back to what created it? Is not the first mover the universal consciousness non-physical? Plato said that every being lives to develop into its universal archetype. In the Spirit Teachings we would say that each being is driven to develop the wisdom that together with the right wisdom of the other beings forms the wisdom of the moment of Creation. As for the Parable of The Cave Dwellers”: To the Ps the knowledge of us Earth humans must have appeared as being like those of those cave dwellers. Seeing the blockages created by our (e.g. religious) traditions – they decided to assist us to find true reality. Aristotle’s bases his views totally on a material consciousness. Findings in science are only valid if they can be proven by the 5 senses. The Earth is the centre of the universe. A physical “Creator-God” is the ultima ratio. “Platonic Realism”, however, hints to a non-physical reality. A universal, spiritual archetype is behind all the forms that we perceive with our senses. To realize this - a much more refined reality - should be humanity’s ambition. Plato's "... man has to see both - forms and ideas - as spiritual..." compares well with the Spirit Teachings that tell us that the origin of the material world is spiritual. Plato’s metaphysics and philosophies may not be the same as the Spirit Teachings. But they are much closer than those of the purely material intellect of Aristotle. Blake_p Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 10:36 am:        Scott; I noticed on Larry's email list he also sent this to you. This actually makes the story of Akart even more confusing and contradictory in my opinion. Of course I was under the impression that their tech was only a little ahead of us and that they were not part of the Plejaren federation but under the supervision of Ptaah,being the planets Jschwsch. Anyway I figured I'd post this and see if anyone else wants to try and explain this...... This is not an official Figu translation and may contain errors: 476th contact: Billy and Ptaah; translation done by Larry Driscoll; Billy​All of this, what you say, I have already written about since the years of the 1950’s as predictions and ​spread worldwide and sent to governments, noteworthy newspapers, magazines, radio stations and various ​organizations. The responses afterwards however were so minimal, that these can be counted on only​one hand. Up to today one is silenced about issues, passed over and has everything hushed up. In fact ​today several scientists appear, who speak about these things themselves, yet, all of that, which I have ​published and said, this is not taken seriously. Contrarily, there are also people, who have exploited my ​statements and predictions as well as prophecies with films and lectures and massively made popular, ​however also nothing is achieved from this. And that through overpopulation also the world goods ​commerce through globalization climbs always further and this massively so promotes, that sicknesses, ​epidemics and all kinds of insects as well as poisonous wildlife and plants of all kinds and species are ​carried into all nations of Earth, all of which is also ignored. The fact that as a result also the health of the ​human, animal and wildlife world suffer damages as well as the entire plant world which by foreign species ​is displaced and destroyed, which also no one wants to admit. This is also in regard to the fact that through ​the steadily increasing humanity not only the climate, but also negative and harmful changes are even ​imposed upon the entire nature and all life forms, therefore also the atmosphere, which enters into a ​negative change. And as I know from you, through overpopulation itself as well as through its criminal ​machinations, the destruction of nature and the enormous CO2-emissions, an oxygen collapse and ​atmosphere collapse can occur, which would mean an end to all life on the Earth. The responsible scientists ​however in general do not speak about this; in fact, they do not consider this possibility at all, as a result ​they also do not research in this direction. Such an occurrence, according to your earlier explanation, on ​July 17, 1975 during my great journey, in fact already is to have threatened an approximately Earth sized ​planet named Akart through overpopulation stupidity, because in 1975 already 23 billion human beings ​lived there. To my knowledge the inhabitants of Akart belong to your federation, as well as others from ​other regions there. Also Kohun and Athar. Ptaah 74.​What you say, corresponds to that, which corresponds to the facts. 75.​The population of the planet Akart belonged to our federation, as well as also, the population of the ​worlds of Proxima-Centauri and others from there and other local regions of space around there, from ​which several of them have come to the Earth. 76.​However, all of these worlds belong in our space-time-construction, consequently they also possess several ​of our technologies, like for example, that technology with which they are able to bridge the time barrier ​and come into your space-time-construction. 77.​The population of Akart however no more exists since the year 2007, because in the only 32 years from ​1975 to 2007 their total population had increased to 34 billion, when through their stupidity, like also ​is apparent with the terrestrial population, nature and the climate were completely destroyed, when,​in the end, an oxygen collapse and an atmosphere collapse occurred, as you have described this. 78.​As a result all life was wiped out on this planet. Billy​However, you still have advised and helped them, as you said at that time. Ptaah 79.​Unfortunately, our advice was just disregarded and not followed, as well as also our help was declined. 80.​Only then, when there was nothing more to give, the humans came to think things over, but then it ​was already too late, as a result we only could just save as many humans as possible, unfortunately only ​116 million, and resettle them to other worlds. Billy​Catastrophic. On the Earth can it similarly threaten, because through all of the nature catastrophes, the​sicknesses, epidemics and through the global carrying off of exotic wildlife and exotic plants will be, life ​and the living area of man and animals and of all wildlife, the oxygen content and the atmosphere of ​Earth as well as the achievements of terrestrial humanity, steadily more and more destroyed. Ptaah 81.​Earth humans, so I am able to say, are pathologically autocratic and incorrigible, which is why they must ​first suffer enormous damage, before they see reason and open up their ears and senses to warnings. 82.​And if they do not do this, then destruction will one day be their fate. 83.​Slowly however systematically Earth humans destroy anything and everything in life, in nature and in the ​climate on Earth, consequently already the continuous process of all around destruction in every respect ​now only is to be halted with very drastic measures. Scott Moderator Post Number: 2487 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 01:18 pm:        Hi Blake_P Are you referring to the fact that the “Akartians” were capable to enter our space/time, yet couldn't grasp the idea that too much CO2 would eventually cause the collapse of their atmosphere? Is it truly any different here? Many people see the degradation of our planet including the powers that be, but the destruction continues.. Corey Member Post Number: 712 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 05:11 pm:        Scott & Blake, When considering our destructive situation here on Earth, I think Ptaah summed it up best: -"which is why the must first suffer enormous damage, before they see reason and open up their ears and senses to warnings. If they do not do this, then destruction will one day be their fate." Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1241 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 05:40 am:        So is Ptaah referring to drastic measures as the need for us to start culling one another for humanity as a whole to survive or does he mean the drastic reduction of population via birth cessation effective immediately if we are to have a chance at survival? If its the former than the powers that be have already planned a mass culling program to wipe out the supposed useless eaters for their own selfish interests which may in fact in a twisted sense and inadvertently do the world an enormous favour. Yet the question is who the heck do they think they are to play God and decide who lives and who dies. Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1242 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 05:47 am:        Scott I don't get that part either. If they were part of the Federation then surely they were admitted because they possessed the right consciousness related development and evolution to be allowed to join the Fed. Now thats some high evolutionary target met which must also come with certain proviso that they were intelligent enough in both spiritual as well as material wise to have solved basically the most fundamental issues as a society. Yet they exterminated themselves through such folly and unreasonableness. I don't get it. If it was we the stupid moronic halfwitted earthlings I can understand but Akartians???????. Hey what do I know. Matt lee Iblis Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2014 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 05:59 am:        hello , i wanted to know if the ETs have another name for earth , what the evil overlords named it and how did we begin calling our planet earth thank you Blake_p Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 12:33 pm:        Scott, Yea I was referring to their technology,the stuff about the environment is just the basis of the contact. Three and a half decades ago,give or take, what I understood was that their tech was only a little ahead of ours,narcoticize themselves to get here,etc,and in this contact they are part of the Plejaren federation,have some of their technology,etc. So I wonder,if they were incorporated into the Plejaren federation in that time and therefore advanced forward in every way,which seems unlikely, or were they further along than what was portrayed in the contact notes. In the grand scheme of things it's pretty irrelevant considering nobody could prove,or disprove this,but it just seemed not to add up,or their is just information here that we don't know which is probably likely since they only talk about Akart a few times. Corey Member Post Number: 714 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 07:10 pm:        Matt Lee: I am assuming Ptaah is referring to humane worldwide birth stop & population birth rate checks that FIGU endorses, which according to Billy is actually based on an old system the P's use, which in an of itself, would be drastic & necessary changes. It's obvious that this probably won't happen until there is severe damage like Ptaah says, in which case the powers-that-be of the future (dictatorships) will most likely choose inhumane methods of lowering population counts, which points to a dark future, which, if memory serves, Billy said is likely to happen. :-( Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Joe Member Post Number: 316 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 11:36 pm:        Blake_p Thank you for posting that excerpt from contact report 476. But what's with all the "#8203"? Joe Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 03:41 am:        Scott, In my opinion, you were wrong when you had once said that both Kohun and Athar were from the planet Akart. The reason why I say this is because in contact report 476 Ptaah mentions other habitable planets besides the planet Akart in the star system of Proxima Centauri. Also in the book "And still they fly!" on page 199 Kohun and Athar never mention anything about coming from the planet Akart, they just mention that they are from the Proxima Centauri star system which is around 5 light-years away from Earth. This leads me to think that both Kohun and Athar were not from the planet Akart but from another planet in the Proxima Centauri star system. Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 04:56 am:        Hi Matt, According to Arthur Berlet the Akartians believed in a Supreme Being. If we accept his account then becoming a member of the Federation did not mean to follow the Spirit Teachings. Salome, Bill Blake_p Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 08:06 am:        Joe; Don't know,guess it got translated that way or for some reason got transferred when I pasted,my bad.( I think he may have listed the numbers in there for line reference numbers,but that's all I can think of). Iblis, The Plejaren call it,and or we used to call it along time ago when there were mostly refugee e.t. races living here - was called Terra. I think Earth was and is a made up terrestrial name. I'm not sure that any other e.t. race,overlords or not,had any other name for our planet. The other planet that was destroyed by maniacs also had two names,Phaeton and Malona.

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