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    Hunter Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2004 |
I don't know if anyone has posted links to these videos yet, but they were interesting: What in the world are they spraying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA Why in the world are they spraying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0fBcH0iuX0 Does anyone know what information Billy has relayed on the chemtrails? "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2587 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hunter.... Nice to hear from you again! Billy, is not that keen when it comes down to Chemtrails. Most of the ideas that some individuals have had, here, on this board, he did not agree with. One of those things which I figured WE have to resolve for ourselves!? He did mention his opinion, here on the board, I think. Best to try the Search Engine for more details?? Edward. | ||
Soma Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2013 |
read bulletin 52 2005,seeing both contrail & "chemtrail" same day and time,humidity,atmosphere ect,can you explain what would acct for 1 plane lasting 45sec and the other spreading out and remaining the rest of the day far from any airports. | ||
Soma Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2013 |
Ive seen alot of info about this not being just local but world wide, geoengineering is a well known concept using sulphate compounds, I was more concerned if they were using aluminum and other type elements as some claim. its hard to cut though the fog on this issue. THX for your comments | ||
Colorado_dirk Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2007 |
Here is a video from a high ranking female ex-military officer who speaks out about having witnessed the ordering of aluminum oxide, barium and strontium during her career by unlisted vendors and had ended it by raising questions about safety for the populace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rAxXyMAmBMs She starts getting to it at 3:17 but keep on until the end (16 min) to get the full effect. Portion of the comment of youtube video: "At the 2013 Atlanta Music Liberty Fest, Kristen Meghan, former Air Force Bio-Environmental Engineer gave a ground breaking presentation of what she had discovered about Chemtrails while serving her Country. This BRAVE young lady has put her livelihood / life on the line for U.S" I understand that Billy doesn't think much of the validity of chemtrail conspiracies after having read a contact conversation recently. Plenty comes up when using 'chemtrail' in the search function. I think that many sensationalists focus on money making and attention getting by exploiting this issue. Scott posted some good references to bulletins, etc as well. Maybe it's like Edward says, that this is one of the things that we have to figure out for ourselves. This lady is strong in her convictions, I hope she speaks the truth. If that is the case, then it would lend credibility to chemical spraying. The reason for doing so has not been disclosed in the media and is for us to figure out. I had come across some articles years ago (appeared legitimate and credible) which stated that this was done to help with obscuring detection from radar. Aluminum was used in WW2 for this purpose, so maybe barium and strontium help in this regard. So maybe there is a fine balance, that yes, chemical spraying is done for a distinct defensive purpose, but everything outside that scope would remain a conspiracy and money making venture by writers looking to create a career based on hype and speculation. As others in this forum section have pointed out, there could be advanced technology that is being used in conjunction with basic defensive technology and Billy doesn't want to get into it for a good reason. d | ||
Littlefawn Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2014 |
Hello , FYI, just recently after using a week whacker on my lawn, I felt severe burning sensation on my neck (only area exposed) while cutting my grass. It burned so much and intensely that I had to stop and run into the shower. What ever the government is spraying in the ionosphere, contains carcinogens and is obviously bad for humans. I still have the burns/rash and it spreads due to itching. No blisters, the only opening to the skin is from scratching. This has never happened before. Its not poison ivy, sumac or oak. We must ask questions. Something is not right in our atmosphere. peace & love | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 889 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Littlefawn, Since that was the only area exposed, did you use any…sunscreen? While it has some drawbacks, it is known to prevent…sunburn. | ||
Littlefawn New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2014 |
Michael Horn I never said I was in the sun. Please leave your ego at the door. It is interfering with your ability to read. You are doing Billy a disservice behaving this way. You are in attack mode and it will be seen by all forum members. I hope they ask, why attack me? Because I ask questions at the heart of your mission and that threatens you because you don't want to be exposed as a scam? | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome LittleFawn, wecome to our forum.  I do not see Michael attacking you at all...I am surprised at your words. Hmmm...I guess he assumed you were in the sun as you wrote about using a "week whacker" on your lawn and suggested sun-lotion... May I suggest peroxide? It helped me when I found myself in a similar situation as you.Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 07-2009 |
Littlefawn, if you were out working on your lawn, there's an enormously high probability that it was daytime (unless you inform us that you did it at night). It's well known that ultraviolet rays are able to penetrate during cloudy and overcast days, especially strongly now with the damage to the ozone layer. Therefore, it was logical to assume that the "burning" that you described could be connected to your getting such burns on, as you said, the "only area exposed". You are correct that "Something is not right in our atmosphere." and much of it's connected to the manmade damage to the ozone layer, etc. However, if you want to find out more precisely, then you could/should check with your local …hospital to see if other people have reported the same symptoms and what conclusions were drawn by the medical personnel who treated them. It's best to rule out the most obvious causes/answers before going on to the more conspiratorial ones, some of which may be correct…or not. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2483 Registered: 12-1999 |
I think Littlefawn may have scampered away..... | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 896 Registered: 07-2009 |
> I think instead fo getting the self-responsibility idea, she was prone to just passing…the buck. | ||
Jedaiah Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 09-2012 |
Or an elaborate troll attempt  | ||
Qmanchu Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2013 |
Littlefawn get checked by a doc. Biting fleas (chiggers)? | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2006 |
I note with some displeasure that a few cynics are giving Littlefawn a hard time. I know that Billy has dismissed 'Chemtrails' as a 'conspiracy theory'.For that reason I have not been following this topic up until recently. On the other hand we have to be careful how we interpret Billy's answers.After all he states that 911 was caused by terrorists -and our interpretation of this depends upon how we define 'terrorists'. e.g.if you drop bombs on people,then are you causing terror? If you manipulate weather systems using HAARP arrays,are you causing terror. I suggest perusing the website 'Geoengineeringwatch.org'. Read: "Why Most Jet Engines Used Today Are Nearly Incapable Of Producing Condensation Trails".Listening to the scientist Leuren Moret (who lives in Berkley) may also be revealing. Anyway, those of you in N.America have more to worry about than 'chemtrails'- nuclear radiation drifting across from Fukushima!Dose up on iodine and miso! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1248 Registered: 07-2005 |
Who said an alternative version of chemtrail wasn't real Not Billy So what about chemtrails don't people choose to confuse themselves not to get? | ||
Luz New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2014 |
I have read about that the chemtrails are made of small aluminum particles and other chemicals, it's a form of "Geo engineering" in other words to make changes in the climate, they happen all over the world, it's not only because the "weather is cold" that those lines in the sky are formed, etc, because those trails have always criss crossing images. A plane usually goes in a straight line going upwards or downwards, the oil companies don't want to accept there's a climate change, so the elite/gvrnmnts order those chemtrails to reflect the sun light and change to their heart's content anything to continue with the planet destruction, out of greed. It also the case of the melting of the poles, etc. etc. So, I think they are done with a sickening agenda to fulfill their denial and damage our planet, while they continue using those poisons. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 901 Registered: 07-2009 |
> The question remains: Where are all of the aluminum particles that would have fallen to Earth and why aren't the hospitals full of people verifiably suffering from the effects of chemtrails? If someone is aware of such information, please post. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 04-2013 |
Spraying chemicals or even aluminum particles through the use of chemtrails is a widespread myth or urban legend. Physics alone will tell you that it's not happening with passengers airliners. This all has to do with humidity levels, dew point, atmospheric temperature and barometric pressure, etc. If you get all of those in the correct amounts you will have “Contrails” from hot burning jet or reciprocating engines; not chemtrails. | ||
Davidmg Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2008 |
Considering the many years of mistrust of being lied to by ... media priests school teachers friends politicians presidents military and so on It is no wonder that people come up with the many stories of conspiracy. But the one thing people will never stop doing is creating more out of what actually there. Or not there. Think of what would happen if those who do the chemtrails stopped. or if we never actually had this weather warfare as some would call it. Our troubled little planet would be a great deal warmer if there was no spraying. They started this program in the early to mid 60's. The term was not called Chemtrails but Cloud seeding. Chemicals where later developed after years of research to make longer lasting spray that would extend over many days. 2 - 4 days. Cloud seeding with ice crystals would only lasted a few hours at best. As for what chemicals are used I do not know. There is also the opposite results, where chemical spraying came absorb moisture as well. you may look here for some minor information http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5d.html People should be very careful when visiting sites that their main focus or their urgent news letters deal with primarily fear based tactics to boost their ratings. Here is a small document on how one can use weather modification towards a profitable resource. http://www.energy.ca.gov/2007publications/CEC-500-2007-008/CEC-500-2007-008.PDF Davidmg | ||
Davidmg Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2008 |
Kenneth Not really a myth since I have seen it with my own eyes. While sitting down waiting for my daughter at her art class a plane passed by spewing out white material from the backside of the plane. Curiously as I watch the material did not vanish as would a "contrail". But slowly over an hour and a half this little stream of white material spread out over my city. with in hours the the over cast turned to cloud and later that night it rained. Myth? I don't think so. Aluminum? how can you tell from thousands of feet in the air. Davidmg | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 08-2006 |
C236-2005 - Billy and Ptaah - Translated by Gaiaguys "The inventors and followers of the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory assert that the condensed aircraft exhaust would contain yet further, and indeed chemical, additives, whereby the added chemistry is supposed to fulfill quite certain purposes. Therefore it is not supposed to deal with normal contrails, rather with those altered with poisonous chemicals, for which reason they stretch out so widely and are so long-lived." Ptaah is implying that chemtrails are in fact condensed aircraft exhaust containing chemical additives. Chemtrails are not contrails, and contrails are not chemtrails. Chemtrails start and stop at the will of the chemtrail aerosolization equipment operator. The chemicals forming chemtrails are sprayed out of nozzles which may be close to the engines and give the appearance of coming from the engines. If you watch a 'crop-dusting' aeroplane it swoops low over the crop,turns on the spray and turns it off at the end of the run. 'Agent orange' in Vietnam was sprayed on the trees (and all other living things). Contrails - Condensation of water in engine exhaust: Contrails only occur at very high altitudes; usually above 8,000 m (26,000 ft), where the air temperature is below - 40 °C, and the relative humidity is over 60%.The time taken for the vapor to cool enough to condense accounts for the contrail forming some way behind the aircraft's engines. Leuren Moret_DHS uses Berkeley ... - YouTube Video published 15th July,2014: On 1st Jan and up to July we saw very heavy chemtrail spraying - layers of chemtrails from planes flying over the Bay area,spraying in the morning and in the evening. These planes are 'Dream Liners'. A few months ago a commercial real time report showed planes coming into Seattle, with 6-10 planes coming in at a time with no ID - their origin was Edwards Airforce Base in S. California. Some of the low altitude planes at about 1000 ft had chemtrails that completely disappeared in about 6 secs so they contained a highly volatile solvent. I know that there are pathogens such as staph - if you go outside without a hat on you end up with a staph ring along the hairline of staph pustules. Leuren Moret: HAARP and Chemtrails PSYOP,Hurricane Isaac 30th August,2012 So if you watch those satellite video clips, and that is U.S. Government data, you can actually see very, very, very heavy chemtrailing on both sides of Hurricane Isaac as it moved into the Gulf region coming from an easterly direction. Then these chembombs started going off inside the hurricane. They look like two big mushroom clouds, mushroom explosions, mushrooming up through the hurricane. It was actually in Bernard Eastland's patent application for his HAARP concept, his HAARP invention, that I first read about shooting rockets of chemicals and radioactive materials into the atmosphere to facilitate HAARP. Official Military Press Release-2006: "Dr. Bernhardt has conducted over eight experiments from 1985 to the present, using the Space Shuttle Orbital Maneuver Subsystem (OMS) engines, to modify the ionosphere with high-speed exhaust injections into the upper atmosphere. The results of these dedicated engine burns have been recorded using the VHF and UHF radars at Arecibo, Puerto Rico; Kwajalein, Marshall Islands; Millstone Hill, Massachusetts; and Jicamarca, Peru." The covert mission of the space shuttle program was to test HAARP on chemtrails in space. Pilots, Doctors and Scientists Tell the Truth about Chemtrails - YouTube: Francis Manglos - 35 Year USFS Biologist rain water tests - aluminum: normally zero, 2000's-100 microg/L, 2010-1000, 2013-13,100. Snow on Mt Shasta 61,000-4x amount in soil there. Dr Steven Davis - D.C.,C.T.N. aluminum and alzheimers,ADD,ADHD,autism Joseph Marman - Law Attorney Personally tested water: aluminum x47 normal,strontiumx10-20,bariumx20 Charles | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2013 |
Interesting; what you’re describing is “Cloud Seeding” in an attempt to produce rain; which are real actual events; Aluminum is not used. “New technology and research have produced reliable results that make cloud seeding a dependable and affordable water-supply practice for many regions.” See attached link. What I was referring to was the erroneous claim of commercial passenger airliners producing chemtrails. It appears that what you saw was a non-commercial aircraft trying to produce rain through the use of physical chemistry. To my knowledge, silver iod is no longer used. “Cloud seeding, a form of weather modification, is the attempt to change the amount or type of precipitation that falls from clouds, by dispersing substances into the air that serve as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, which alter the microphysical processes within the cloud. The usual intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow), but hail and fog suppression are also widely practiced in airports.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding |
