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Cpl
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Post Number: 722
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 24, 2014 - 10:14 pm: | 
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Although it is possible that the election of Pope Benedict may have changed the Henoch prophecy concerning the last pope, Peter the Roman might yet arrive on the scene. How?
According to James Rickards who has worked on US intelligence defence systems (Google search him if the name is new to you) Iraq's ambassador to the Vatican has said, "The (Islamic state) wants to kill the pope. And I believe they would try to kill him during one of his overseas trips."
Benedict often travels with minimum security so an assassination might not be difficult to pull off if he and his ontourage are not fully prepared.
On November 29 Benedict visits Turkey. If an assassination were to occur there we would likely see a new religious war between Islam and Catholicism and its associates. This would again echo the prophecy of Billy or Henoch that if WWIII were to occur a pope would be a key responsible figure. That pope could yet be the replacement -- Peter the Roman - for Benedict if he is killed.
I mention this because the more any such plans are exposed the less likelihood there is of such plans succeeding. We, and especially those around the pope, should guard against complacency.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 723
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 02:33 am: |
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In my latest post, pope Benedict should have read pope Francis. Sorry about that.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Vincent
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Post Number: 195
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 05:08 pm: |
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ISIS to introduce it's own currency made of solid gold and silver.
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/will-isis-introduce-currency/ |
Truthseeker
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Post Number: 369
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 04:25 pm: |
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As far as i know Pope Francisco di Pietro di Bernardone is Peter the Roman as his full name indicates. |
Odin
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2013
| | Posted on Monday, November 24, 2014 - 11:59 am: |
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Hi. It seems like the world is actually spinning out of control, environmentally, politically and between societies and inside many societie on our earth. If a Third World War is to happen what is your advice to us "under developed" humans? Peace always.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 485
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 07:47 am: |
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Howdy Odin,
Regarding your question, what to do under dire threat of global thermonuclear war.
There are many options:
1. We could ignore the prospect until the ICBM's are flying through the air. That's what most people are doing. Assuming we survive the initial blasts, we can:
1a. just bend over and kiss our asses goodbye.
1b. pray to God, or variously thank or curse him for allowing this to happen.
1c. use the chaos of war take the opportunity to rape, pillage, then murder.
1d. hole up in a protected hole, and shoot anyone who threatens our stash of stuff.
1e. go bonkers, berserk, check out mentally.
1f. commit suicide.
1g. fight the enemy - whoever we decide it may be.
1h. try to find the bastards who coerced, promoted, sponsored this war.
1i. try to build a new society from our stirred, shaken, broken, and mixed-up pieces.
1j. ignore the world's problems and meditate on a mountaintop somewhere.
2. We could work to expose the people who have been working to bring about war. We could talk about who is really doing this and why. If that averted the war, then your whole question would be moot. However, at this point that seems unlikely. At this point we can't even point our fingers at the perpetrators for fear of insulting their entire religion, culture, race, and/or society. Wouldn't want to do that, no sir. Still, we could do it.
3. We could all gather together in one big happy family and build a new calamity-proof rainbow society under the ocean.We would all get along, and peace and prosperity would reign, and no meddlesome outside influence would be able to dictate what we could do, no matter what religion or secret coterie it represented. We could grow lollipop trees under marshmallow skies, and meditate on peace, love, and happiness for the whole world. Forgiveness would be the word of the day. People would give up their religious nonsense, and stop trying to annihilate each other's races and subvert each other's cultures, because everyone would be in tune with love.
It's kinda sad, isn't it? We can't get it together because option 2 is politically incorrect, and might hurt the feelings the perps, while option 3 is unrealistic given where mankind is really at right now. Thus, I choose option 1, and hope that the idiots in charge realize their stupidity in time, although it seems that they already know full well what they are doing, and have been planning for the annihilation of Western Civilization for quite some time already. Maybe they will forgive all of my attempts at exposing them, and invite me to join them in one of those survival structures they've been building underground.
The Plejaren are unlikely to save us from this turn of events. It's not that they don't care, but they feel that they can't intervene without causing even worse problems down the line. Still, it will be hard to learn responsibility if we don't exist - but maybe they can teach responsibility to the perps who survive this coming war.
Life
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 926
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 05:55 pm: |
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Please see the latest from Billy Meier:
http://theyflyblog.com/2014/11/28/the-only-way-to-stop-the-is/ |
Vincent
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 11:55 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
I noticed this question went unanswered that was posted on that blog?
Billy – “The amount of soldiers of this multinational army should outnumber by at least triple the number of the soldiers of the IS army (which already has around 100 000 soldiers – men and women). And the soldiers should be armed with the best and newest weaponry and supported with all kinds of military equipment such as tanks, fighters and tactical missiles, etc., etc. Only with this huge and powerful army, could the IS be defeated as quickly as possible and therefore with the least possible amount of war dead (men and women) as well. Because of being radicalised and fanaticised, the IS soldiers should be arrested, be given a life sentence and banished to islands or regions far away from civilisation and without having any possibility to communicate with the outside world.”
In this heavily overpopulated world which island or region could 100,000 or even 50,000 IS soldiers be banished too without possibility of them escaping? |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 928
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 11:10 am: |
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> Vincent, I think that the problem reflected in your optimism about the numbers who would surrender could be worked out, perhaps using several locations. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 929
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 03:05 pm: |
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Here is my new (short version) petition, feel free to participate, forward, share:
I just started a petition on the White House Petitions site, We the
People. Will you sign it? http://wh.gov/i1Cs7
The full petition is based on information from Meier (http://theyflyblog.com/?p=2906 ) feel free to share it widely:
We petition the Obama administration to:
Call for and Join an International Coalition and Multi-National Army to Stop the IS
The world has ample evidence that the IS is a murderous, criminal, terrorist organization whose goal is to persecute, destroy and subjugate the whole of humanity. Their inhuman and inhumane actions are part of an openly declared and perpetrated policy of mass murder and extermination of all those who are not aligned with the fanatical beliefs of this organization, its leaders and followers. If allowed to proceed unchecked, this gang, which currently numbers approximately 100,000 soldiers, will only continue to grow and become unstoppable in spreading its destruction worldwide and effectively plunging the world back into the dark ages. The world must recognize that their deluded leader is nothing less than a potential Hitler who must be stopped now, lest his deadly global plan be fulfilled.
We call for the formation of a true multi-national army, of at least 300,000 soldiers, to be armed with the best and newest weaponry and supported with every kind of military equipment, such as tanks, fighter planes and tactical missiles, etc. We call for this huge and powerful army to be drawn from as many countries of the entire world as possible, including an alliance of all countries around Iraq and Syria, and including the strong armies of the USA, England, France, Russia, China, Canada, etc.
As the real urgency of this situation is now clear, we call for this coalition to be assembled promptly, with firm resolve and without unnecessary political delays. The world will not have another chance to forcefully and effectively eliminate this terrible threat to everyone and everything that we have already accomplished, as the IS would destroy any and all of our scientific and medical inventions and cognitions, as well as our entire written and recorded knowledge base, as they also view these as elements that must be destroyed.
In the face of this coordinated, overwhelming military might, a humane option would be presented to those in the IS to lay down their arms and to be incarcerated for their lifetimes in isolated regions where they can no longer do harm to humanity and yet could still have the opportunity to develop their conscience and consciousness for the sake of their own evolution. Those who refuse or resist would suffer the consequences.
The highest priority is that the safety and security of all of humanity must be protected and preserved. This responsibility for the USA to become a leader and a participant in this global mission is underscored by the inescapable fact that had the USA, under the command of George W. Bush, never conquered Iraq and tracked down Saddam Hussein and killed him, Saddam Hussein would have had the ability – along with armed Kurdish fighters, called Peshmerga (who ironically helped the USA in its mission to capture Saddam) – to control Baghdadi and the IS.
This is now the only way to stop the IS. We must stand firmly on the right side of history for, if we do not, there may not be much left of our previous history, nor of our present humankind and all of its achievements and wonders. |
Truthseeker
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Post Number: 372
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 08:53 pm: |
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Greetings Vincent, I think I can answer that question. They would have to be Banished to around one of the Kerguelen Islands which is just north of Antarctica in the Indian ocean. The Islands are presently the property of France, but aside from just a few scientist, no one actually lives there and the climate is very similar to Iceland but a lot colder with the high wind chill. Since the IS group does not want to live in a world of technology anyway, this place would be perfect for them, along with other criminals from other countries all over the world. It's survivable to live there just like Iceland, but in order to do so, they would actually need each other to survive the more harsh cold climate, compared to the heat found in the middle east. Since France is very much so threatened by them then I don't think France will have any difficulty in utilizing one or more of these islands for that purpose. The only concern of course would be for the penguins that live there, but if the penguins are part of the prisoners only food source then they may not be so insistent in wanting to destroy them or any other part of the island environment if they want to survive.
By the way someone just brought to my attention that according to contact 555, Billy's suggestion here which Michael just posted up on his sight just might succeed. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 725
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 09:40 pm: |
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With their suicidal tendencies many of these forces would undoubtedly be killed in action before any mass surrender. Those taken would also need some kind of guards and monitoring, as the Plejaren perform. Any number of French Islamics who did not engage in fighting with the army might want to go and help them. While workable the isolation on our severely overpopulated planet would obviously not be as simple as banishment to another planet with no technology, which is currently beyond our means. There are details to be worked out but that can be done once they are apprehended and the numbers known.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Vincent
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 01:02 pm: |
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Hi MH, Truthseeker and CPL,
They would have to be banished to an isolated island or else they would simply escape. But even on islands their free friends can rescue some of them with boats. Or they could build their own boats and rafts.
I don't see that working. |
Verlanis
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 07:32 am: |
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To be poignant, If the IS posed a threat to any country that is not threatening American Alliance protected oil property then the IS would be promptly dealt with. I'm actually still waiting for the IS to follow through with their stupid threat of hitting Russian territory because the Russians will not put up with that garbage. China would respond similarly. If Pakistan becomes critically destablelized then many nations, US and NATO at the forefront would charge in because the nukes there are NATO owned.
The petitioning for a multinational response against IS is the same tactic used by the US during the Iraq invasion. Turkey's current questionable options concerning it's neighbors and IS are a critical juncture of more importance than the garbage of Ukraine NAZI problems because Turkey's strategic position affects Europe and Russia equally. A proxy war of Ukraine vs Russia could very well be the trigger of Russia attacking Alaska simply because of the involved shenanigans.
Jack --
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 1084
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 06:19 am: |
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Regarding this:
"Call for and Join an International Coalition and Multi-National Army to Stop the IS
The world has ample evidence that the IS is a murderous, criminal, terrorist organization whose goal is to persecute, destroy and subjugate the whole of humanity. Their inhuman and inhumane actions are part of an openly declared and perpetrated policy of mass murder and extermination of all those who are not aligned with the fanatical beliefs of this organization, its leaders and followers. If allowed to proceed unchecked, this gang, which currently numbers approximately 100,000 soldiers, will only continue to grow and become unstoppable in spreading its destruction worldwide and effectively plunging the world back into the dark ages. The world must recognize that their deluded leader is nothing less than a potential Hitler who must be stopped now, lest his deadly global plan be fulfilled."
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ISIS ..... how did this arise ?
Ask el presidente occupier of white house in Washington.
During 2011 the CIA organized and sponsored the rent a crowd overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi president of Libya by an uprising of so called fighters for freedom, justice, democracy and all things beautiful leading to a glorious new world order mainly because Gaddafi demanded payment for Libyan oil in either gold or Euros.
After gaining power, overthrowing Gaddafi and defeating his army the so called freedom fighters proceeded to ransack and loot Libyan military bases and arsenals which were well stocked with weaponry of all types then with the assistance of CIA using both ships and aircraft shipped huge quantities of weapons including assault rifles, machine guns, grenades, mortars, man portable rocket launchers, man portable anti tank, anti air missiles, ammunition in addition to some heavier equipment to Turkey from where it was transhipped into Iraq then handed over to ..... those militia groups who now are ISIS.
That's right ...... USA sponsored and orchestrated the downfall of Gaddafi, looted his country's military supplies then provided those to what is now ISIS.
Dont tell me Obama was unaware of this ..... is the man a such a complete idiot as to not know what happened ..... after all he is commander in chief of American military and additionally has someone in charge of the CIA who he appointed, who presumably informs his boss about what sort of covert operations are being conducted against whom for which strategic agenda and purpose ..... but in America who really knows how it works.
Haha, USA fight ISIS ..... they armed and supplied them.
Cheers.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 930
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 04:50 pm: |
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> Regarding the "tactic", let's please consider that we are being = advised by people with a uniquely accurate track record, who've NEVER = before called for a military action against anyone on Earth. Because = things are badly screwed up here, it may well be that the "lesser of two = evils" is the course that must be taken, otherwise the emboldened = terrorists of IS will overcome all of these countries.
We are thinking like armchair experts when it's safe to assume that the = Plejaren, who've been through zillons of years of learning these lessons = the hard way, and Meier, whose spirit form when incarnated as = Nokodemion, was a mega-MILITARY leader. And Mohammed was no slouch = inthat department either. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 726
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 05:02 pm: |
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Hi Vincent,
That's why it will need monitoring and guards. It would be a form of prison after all.
Hi Ramirez,
...and now they have to take out the demon they created.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Eric
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 06:39 pm: |
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Hi:
The message reayed by MH from Billy and the Plajaren is that the USA must fix the problem they created according to the pottery barn rule: You break it, you own it. This fix will be best achieved via multinational troops under UN resolution, as recommended since decades by FIGU
These are read in the right circles obviously, look for instance pope Francis:
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/11/29/Pope-Military-force-against-ISIS-justified-.html
Micheal is doing us great service, i think
(once again as in 2006)
Éric |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 931
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 06:05 pm: |
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> Really, there's a very shallow understanding of things when we choose to say "See, it's all their fault", rather than look to what may simply be the best possible solution…now. Again, it's not for no reason that Meier called for this course of action. Again, he foretold the fanatical Islamist problem in 1958, 1981, 1987, etc.
And please note that the call for action is for an INTERNATIONAL military operation. Let people set aside their blame game mentality and get their heads into the real world. Just keep watching the news and see how effective a counter measure to the violence it is to just chant, "It's the USA's fault." > |
Cpl
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Post Number: 727
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 08:07 pm: |
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I couldn't agree more, Michael. None or us relish the idea of war but when a maniac bursts into your room brandishing a knife with intent to kill you have no option. Meier once shot the hat off the head of a would-be assassin. There comes a time when you just have to stand up and fight. If you can't you just might end up creating an army of genetically manipulated warriors with all the attendant problems that we all know only too well. We, of all people, should have learned from that historic episode.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 932
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 04:20 pm: |
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> That, of course, was what Meier suggested: http://theyflyblog.com/2014/11/29/for-your-consideration/
And maybe it's not quite as easy to "build boats" and escape as one thinks. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 1085
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2014 - 04:34 am: |
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ISIS is a proxy of the corporate global energy - financial structure just as the so called government of the USA is.
It's an energy war to prop op the dollar.
Think about it ......
After Libya was overtaken by some sort of group and is now a failed state in chaos however it's oil fields continue to pump, refine and export oil which arrives on the world market similar to how it did whilst Gaddafi was in control.
So who now receives all that money and where does it end up ?
In Iraq where supposedly ISIS have control over some parts of the country particularly where the major oil and gas pipelines are located. There aren't many.
One exists flowing northwards near Mosul in Kurdish controlled territory exiting Iraq in the north west where it supplies oil to the port of Ceyhan in Turkey from where it is then transhipped further by tankers.
There is a pipeline into Jordan ..... still functional.
There was an oil and gas pipeline into Syria which has been blocked ..... no oil or gas to Syria.
There is a pipeline running through all the major production areas to the port at Basra from where it is transhipped by tankers to all over the world.
There is also a small pipeline from Basra to Saudi Arabia.
So in spite of being occupied partially by ISIS oil continues to flow as it did ..... except to Syria ..... see the connection.
ISIS is a hit squad for rent presently targeting the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad in an effort to topple him similar to Gaddafi. If that succeeds and Syria is removed the next target is Iran. Who hires, directs, funds, arms them ..... the USA via proxies using the CIA. That group is doing the work it was hired for ..... topple Bashar Assad.
It's leaders might have developed delusions of grandeur and hopes of becoming a rallying point for spreading their form of idealogy but essentially they remain a gang of thugs for hire and their controller is the CIA.
If those Iraqi pipelines were severed ..... no more money. After all oil flowing into Jordan ends up in the satanic state of Israel (well maybe according to some Islamic ideologies) ..... why has that been allowed to happen if the so called ISIS are fighting a holy war ? ..... money.
What's happened to the price of crude oil recently ..... it's dropped and supplies have remained stable ...... with supposedly a gang of lunatics running amok in central Iraq and parts of Syria ...... how ? and why have pipelines running through areas under their control remained intact and functional ?
There's more to it than appears on the surface.
As for USA being involved in a multinational peace force ..... that's quite something.
It's a nation of very questionable morals and ethics ...... is this the sort of activity a multinational peace keeping force is going to practice in places where it's duty is to protect civilians ?
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqabughraibpix.html
The main things the so called government and policy makers in USA are after is knocking strategic players off the grand chessboard in order to loot their natural resources which is how the dollar stays afloat and along the way neutralizes and or weakens opponents to this slow grinding steamroller ride through various nations ..... mainly Russia and China who oppose them in various ways.
Ukraine is another pawn in the game. Situated strategically with several pipelines to Europe flowing through it plus huge reserves of gas, oil, coal it would make an ideal addition to the energy cartels strategic reserves and area for exploitation - development at the same time cutting off much of Russia's capacity to supply oil and gas to Europe which comprises a large part of it's trade income.
What happened in Ukraine ..... another rent a crowd revolution toppling the government followed by installation of a pro Nato - EU marionette leader.
It's very similar to several other orchestrated "regime changes"
Once Ukraine is secured Russia loses control of most of it's capacity to export oil and gas which is part of the long term to isolate and slowly bankrupt it because ...... it's membership to BRICS threatens the dollar.
Energy and money ..... it's about that not spreading freedom and democracy.
Regime changes in Iraq, Libya, Afganistan, Syria, Ukraine are creations of the CIA and US foreign policy.
Obama listens to his strategic geniuses Kissinger and Brzezinski, attends CFR (council On Foreign Relations) meetings which eventually results in what you see unfolding in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Afganistan today.
Cheers.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 486
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| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2014 - 04:58 am: |
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As for where to put, house, and/or imprison a population (of violent religious fanatics), I have been wrangling with this problem for awhile. We have a large number of options (none of which validate the feelings of the ISIS fighters, BTW) depending upon how much money we wanted to devote to this project. As all the best solutions do, this postulation applies not just to ISIS, but also to any other sects that spring up in Earth's future. I do believe that concern for the natural world should be priority number one, surpassing that of any other concerns (except the genetic and mental welfare of mankind), and thus can't advocate for any option which negatively impacts our already stressed global environment.
1. We could locate these wayward crazies on islands. This is not a good option. Pristine coastal ecosystems are in short supply, and are very important for the global ecosystem's health.
2. We could imprison them in manmade structures, such as on man-made islands. This is a better option, though building man-made islands with our current techniques would be a huge endeavor.
3. We could sequester them in a vacant desert, far from home, the Atacama desert, for instance. I'm not a fan of this option either. This would destroy pristine desert areas, which themselves are actually extremely sensitive to human incursions. Not ecologically sensitive to move around massive amounts of people, either.
4. Moving them to a cold zone, such as Greenland or Antarctica would be an energy intensive endeavor, unless we would summarily allow the people to freeze to death.
I prefer option 5 the best: Leaving them in place makes the most sense, from an ecological perspective. A large concentration camp could be erected, with fences and guards and all. We certainly have a fair amount of practice and knowledge about how to do this, since our police-state tactics have been/are being honed. It would also be most respectful of the ISIS fighters themselves. We could put them to work rebuilding the ecosystems of the Middle East that they have destroyed, moving their encampments en-masse when their improvements have been adequately affected. In this manner, they could maintain the rigid social structure which they so obviously crave, and build, progress the world, which they also obviously want to do. They just wouldn't be improving the world in the way they expected. As an example of how this could work, the Iraqi riverine environments have been devastated by centuries of misuse, overuse, and neglect. It would take alot of manpower working for centuries, to fix this environment, and the act is akin to gardening, which is always a grounding endeavor for crazy people. If by chance they did what they could for Iraq's rivers, an awesome prospect, really, there are many other environmental rebuilding/improvement projects they could then tackle.
From an economic balance perspective, the act of putting them to work rebuilding the environment would not take alot of resources, and would certainly yield returns in excess of their costs. It would be something good that the U.S. and Allies could do in the Middle East, like building schools and hospitals, only with the longer-term ramifications more assuredly positive given the recalcitrant workforce.
Anyway, there's my two-cents in this discussion. And that's assuming we don't blow ourselves to itty-bitty bits over (unmentionable) ambitions in Eastern Europe.
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