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    Ramirez Member Post Number: 1092 Registered: 06-2008 |
It's starting to become more obvious that Malaysian Boeing Airliner MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian SU25 which fired two R73 missiles at it from the rear. Normally SU25's are used as a ground attack plane but they have facilities for 2 short range (30K) air to air missiles. The pilots name was apparently Captain Vladislav Voloshin. At the time (July 17) the so called separatists had no aircraft and still dont plus at that time they had no ground to air missile systems capable of hitting a high flying aircraft ..... only man portable short range missiles able to shoot down low flying attack planes and helicopters but nothing flying at 33,000 feet. So the big question is ..... why were Ukrainian ground attack aircraft armed with air to air missiles when the Ukrainians knew the separatists had no aircraft or helicopters ? Cheers. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1275 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well Ramirez although as everyone knows that I am no expert let me answer your rhetorical question with a rhetorical question. How did Victoria Nuland's Ukrainian Nazi puppet non elected ursurper government direct the MH17 directly over an illegal flight corridor during war time to then order the MH17 shot down out of so many other flights within several hundred kilometers flying around that area? And if it wasn't planned beforehand why did they happen to blame it on the Russians and not the supposed Reptillian Aliens running the US government (sarcasm)? It's a classic false flag attempt gone awry just as the brilliant Russian's foiled another one during the Syrian chemical weapons attack that nearly succeeded. I mean how stupid are these people to still be using such an outdated and ineffective method by thinking that the sheeple masses are stupid enough to fall for it again. Read my lips 'no new taxes on stupidity' As the Chinese proverb says "definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and ..........................................." I think it should be a compulsory curriculum for all high schools to teach psychological warfare strategy and false flag operations and methodology just for the sake of arming our kids on how to sift all the BS from the truth or rather the truth from all the BS. Being forewarned is being forearmed. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1277 Registered: 07-2005 |
It's not very hard to envisage that Putin became the West's enemy No.1 starting with his infamous speech calling out the unipolar hegemonic aspirations of the US and his subsequent actions in restricting the US & puppet Co covert military and intelligence activities all over middle east and the rest of the world. Ukraine saga was the last straw that broke Putin's back and from there I believe he was all in. So from the unfolding mess as we speak I can't eliminate the possibility of the US dark order Inc from organising Putin's assassination attempt thus the line from HP '4 heads of state dieing within 7 days of each other' coming true starting with Putin's demise. It's terrible I know If my memory serves me correct the new Caliph Bagdadi won't live very long, this according to the CN or HP. So from my perspective we have already past the stage where the 5 years of war preparation is almost complete judging by the massive increase in federal defence budget of major nations around the world in particular China over the last several years. We also have the pope unbeknownst to him waiting to move out of Rome because of earthquake and volcanic eruption devastated Vatican. So we are still to expect a massive landmass in the US west coast sinking to the bottom of the ocean from a mega earthquake. We also have the mega tornado waiting in line to be unleashed in Europe but also massive flooding as well the likes of which we've never seen in that part of the world. Then theres the mega tsunami unleashed by the massive landfall of Cumbre Vieja Island which will kill millions in the east coast of US during this time which is less than a decade away which means before 2020 or 6 years away. Wow It looks to me like after the epic catastrophe by 2020 the US will ease upon its war and hegemonic activities and instead focus on rebuilding the country after millions have died thus Billy giving us a clue that there is hope in the other direction. The hope may also arise from many war mongering psychos dieing from the tsunami related incidents because every important institution in the US is situated in the east coast including Washington and New York. Who knows but it appears to me like certain part of HP but not all is prediction and no longer prophecy especially the environmental catastrophes. Matt lee | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 894 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2888900/AirAsia-plane-162-board-missing-en-route-Singapore.html So another Asian airliner goes missing under intense weather conditions. I understand the US was conducting their latest in weather weaponry http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_529#Contact_Report_529_Translation in that area with consent of the unmentionables. The unmentionables main task though, is to cover up any traces of the source and to take down any mention of such a possibility over the internet or through any other media. All this is par for the course in the lead up to the long prophesized 4th world fire. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1546 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, I was thinking the same thing the other night. With all these natural disasters coming who has time for war. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1281 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah Norm hopefully saner heads prevail There is definitely something in the air to all this and not just air. There is a quite depressive vibrational influence in the air that my 7th senses are detecting whereby the zombie like masses also seem to feel it subconsciously in that because mother earth is hurting through so much destruction from WUV the anguish of pain and suffering felt by mother nature is spreading to all consciousness of people and animals in such a way that people are doing crazy things, are being overly aggressive and getting depression. If you hurt mother earth you also hurt everything within it even indirectly as everything is connected. So I am thinking in common parlance 'is it the chicken or the egg that came first' meaning is it because of our destruction of earth via WUV that is setting into motion WW3/4 as the cause and effect relations or is it the damage incurred to our psyche and consciousness that we are destroying the planet thereby in turn damaging our psyche and consciousness in such a way that leads to war. I don't know | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi, Who are those unmentionables and why you call them unmentionables? Regards Jokubas | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1283 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bruce the US isn't the only country with such a destructive weather modifying weapon as the Russians and the Chinese have them as well. As I've written on previous occasions there is definitely a tit for tat silent weather warfare going on between these countries and even North Korean, Russian, US NASA, French and Chinese satellite rocket launches aren't spared from such unconventional warfare. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1284 Registered: 07-2005 |
Regarding your 217 post vincent thanks for the link and sorry for the belated response for some reason that particular post of your flew my attention by. Cheers Matt lee | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Newinitiation, That's ok! re - "Putin became the West's enemy No.1 starting with his infamous speech calling out the unipolar hegemonic aspirations of the US and his subsequent actions in restricting the US & puppet Co covert military and intelligence activities all over middle east and the rest of the world." Billy is right - Putin is smarter then the rest of them put together. When I read what Billy and the P's said about all the trouble the US and it's CIA are causing in world I think to myself that there is an overabundance of "intelligence" and a shortage of "wisdom". | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 05-2008 |
Jokubas, I think the unmentionables are Jews or Zionists, or some combination thereof .. I stole that term from another forum participant who may have coined it themself or borrowed or stole it from websites who blame the mentioned or rather unmentioned group for many of the evils afflicting planet earth. Vincent, regarding your insight (that I agree with) of an overabundance of intelligence and a shortage of wisdom; imo, that applies to Putin as well. Regarding Putin's attempt to stick the knife in the US during its 2008 financial crisis and twist it, don't you find it ironic that the financial knife is currently stuck in Putin & his homeland and being twisted? Irony dealt out by the universe itself through the creational law of the effects of one's thoughts boomeranging back to its sender to the positive or the negative, as the case may be. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Earthling, Didn't Putin stick the knife back into the US (and EU and IMF) with opening of the BRICS bank? He was the one that was openly pushing for it the most. Wouldn't this financially hurt the US more in the end then what the US is currently doing to hurt Russia? Seems boomerangings are flying back and forth. | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2011 |
Thanks for clarifying the situation Earthling. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 896 Registered: 05-2008 |
Vincent, sure Putin still tries to stick another knife in the US and the US Dollar as reserve currency. However, there are forces greater than he, such as the unnamed secret society. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_476#Contact_Report_476_Translation Billy "... But, to come away from that: a long time ago, we spoke about a world organisation, namely the … secret society, through which the entire world is manipulated, especially the politics, the sciences, the industrial corporations, the food, goods, and weapons trade, the banking corporations and thereby the entire world of finance. The big economic and corporate executives of all kinds are involved in that, as are many state powers, many secret services, high-ranking military and secret societies, which every year get together in the mentioned secret society and determine the situation of the world. This, I want to say, world secret society, amply manipulates the prosperity and adversity of the Earth humanity and the events on the Earth in regard to the world of finance and business as well as the private sector and in regard to the politics as well as certain armies, which is however officially neither known nor admitted, consequently, nothing of that penetrates to the public. In contrast to rubbishy conspiracy theories, that corresponds to the reality and has nothing to do with alleged “reptilians” and “baby-eaters”, which allegedly - as extraterrestrials transformed into human beings, or as cannibals - are supposed to sit in the governments and carry out their mischief, and so forth." And try as Mr. Putin might, so far all his efforts have ended up stabbing himself. Currently the US Dollar is where it was 10 years ago and 20 years ago, despite all the prophecies and predictions of all those predicting its certain demise. Sure, some day, it will be gone, as all of us will. So, this unnamed secret society, whether its the CFR or Trilateral Commission or something else, is super powerful, works in secret, behind the scenes and is probably thwarting any and every effort of Putin to bring the US to its knees financially and otherwise. These are high stakes games from both sides and while Putin may be 'smarter' than a bunch of western leaders, he is up against more than just the western puppet leaders. These are nasty games of kings and queens and it is us pawns who pay the price. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Earthling, Thanks for that! Could this secret society be "skull and bones" because I remember Billy once said something about it being super powerful? I think sooner or later the US will financially collapse because of it's own doing. It has massive debt and I do not see how it can keep printing money out of thin air to keep propping itself up. It needs a weaker currency/dollar to help itself now, not a stronger one. The US Dollar's status as the world currency reserve is what also keeps it afloat. Without this and the Petro dollar it would definitely collapse. How long will it stay this way? In the past the US invaded countries that threatened to trade their oil in non-US currency but now it can't invade countries like Russia which are now starting to trade their oil in it's own currency or in Chinese Yuan. This has started and so has Brics. The future will tell. The US is wounded and not on steady financial ground. I do not think it is good for the US to go pushing Russia around because it will bite back and thus US hurt itself in the end. I remember Billy said something about the US dollar virtually being worthless one day. I can't remember if this was a prophecy or prediction. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1547 Registered: 02-2000 |
Billy "... a long time ago, we spoke about a world organization, namely the … secret society," If Billy would just give us the name of this SS. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1548 Registered: 02-2000 |
Vincent, I was thinking the same thing, but Skull and Bones are a recruitment place more so than a policy group. But Bush & Kerry were both members so what does that tell you. S & B must be linked to the Bohemian Grove. I wonder how many "Bonesmen" have attended that & Bilderberger meetings. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1290 Registered: 07-2005 |
Some are absolutely certain that its the Bilderberg group who meet once a year. I have my doubts The so called the committe of 300, the roundtable and RIIA meetings and so on are all bogus but Ike doesn't mind relishing it. I suspect there exists a more secret meeting comprising the more secret Dark Order group within a group as Billy refers to who meet in the most clandestine of locations such as an underground and undersea facilities and not a 5 star hotel every cat and dog can visit. If anyone has seen the list of attendees over the years although they can be classified as cream of the crop by many it appears that there are even bigger whales than they swimming happily outside of this group doing their thing in top secret outside the law and totally unaccountable to anyone but themselves. | ||
Stefan_z2 New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2014 |
What comes to mind are the annual Bilderberg and Davos events. More recently you could read something in that respect in Billy’s reply to a question from Achim Wolf in FIGU-Bulletin 78 from September 2012. http://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/2798 . Here that part… Gibt es abseits der öffentlich bekannten Regierungsentscheidungen, Parlamentsbeschlüsse und weiterer Entscheidungsakte auch geheime Treffen von Staatsmächtigen auf europäischer oder weltweiter Ebene, bei denen Beschlüsse gefasst werden, von denen das Volk nichts wissen soll und wodurch das Volk für dumm verkauft wird, damit die Regierenden an den Schalthebeln der Macht verbleiben können? Solche geheime Treffen der Regierenden gibt es tatsächlich, wie z.B. die sogenannten ‹Bilderberg Konferenzen›, von denen jedoch offiziell bestritten wird, dass bei diesen künftige Weltgeschehen und Politikrichtungen beschlossen werden, und zwar von einflussreichen Personen aus Wirtschaft, Militär, Politik, Medien, Hochschulen und Adel. Offiziell wird jedoch die Tatsache bestritten und als Verschwörungstheorie hingestellt, dass bei den Bilderberg-Konferenzen Richtungen für die Weltpolitik und Weltwirtschaft usw. beschlossen und diese dann auch in die Tat umgesetzt werden. Are there secret meetings of high level governmental officials on European or worldwide level, where - separate from publicly known governmental decisions, acts of parliaments and further acts of decision nature – decisions are taken, of which the people are not supposed to learn about, and by which the people are taken for fools, to allow the governing ones to stay in power? Those secret meetings of the governing ones are indeed existing, such as for example the so called “Bilderberg Conferences”, for which it is officially denied that they are used for deciding about future world events and policy directions, by influential persons in business, military, politics, media, academia and aristocracy. Officially, however, the fact that those Bilderberg Conferences are used for deciding about directions of world policy and economics and that those are acted upon, is disputed and described as conspiracy theory. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1291 Registered: 07-2005 |
Let's not forget that be he a power hungry person and have done what he did out of self interest first and for his country second, it was thanks to Putin's level headed efforts that the insatiable, despotic, power mad, control freaky and totalitarian hegemonic actions of the US has been curtailed and thereby has brought some much needed balance upon the world. And thanks also to the armchair despots in China that we don't yet live in a fourth reich headed by the US. These rulers are all the same motivated by such a selfish motivation to want to guard what they have power wise and to still want more of what they still haven't got and the masses are caught in the crossfire expendable as a piece of pawn and helpless as a stranded dog in a liferaft in the middle of the ocean. Putin didn't try to stab the US in the back using China out of the vaccuum as the preceding context was that the US betrayed Russia first when they made a pact with former Soviet states after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and against the promises made to Russia not to expand NATO's presence but instead they've gone headlong into expanding the NATO membership of these former Soviet blocs and began to surround Russia installing their Military arsenal. Nothing happens in a vaccuum and there is always a preceding cause and effect relationship to every human action and decisions. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 897 Registered: 05-2008 |
Vincent, Back in 2006, Billy said "IF the $USDollar collapses, then you could use it for rolling paper & smoke it... He did not say it defintiely would collapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29wnpEy2DY4 And regarding the US printing money out of thin air; the US is no longer printing money, at least that is the official line. Also to mention is the fact that nearly every central bank in the world is also printing money, and the worth of one paper currency is only measured against the next paper currency being printed out of thin air. So the $USD is certainly no worse than any other, and its been on the rise for several years and will not go down the tubes barring some external shock or unforeseen event which is always out there as nothing lasts forever and economies are swinging waves themselves, to the upswing or down. And at this point in time, the world economy would also collapse without the US engine. imo, the alluded to secret society is definitely not skull and bones. I haven't researched it to its end but from what I understand you must go through the Rockefellers, the Dulles brothers, the CIA, Pentagon, JPMorgan Chase Bank, powerful European banks & families, etc ... All I can come up with is that the trail leads through the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Perhaps others can complete this puzzle. It's clearly international intrigue and James Bondish. ExxonMobil, the second largest publicly traded company (predecessor: Standard Oil Company) and the JPMorgan Chase & Co. bank, third largest public company (predecessor: Chase Manhattan Bank) are originally founded by the Rockefeller family beside many, many other companies. The Rockefellers have had their fingers in every pie for many decades. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), probably the most powerful think tank, provided by the Rockefeller family and located in the residence of a former director of the Standard Oil Company, was led by many very powerful men such as John Foster Dulles (former Secretary of State), his brother Allen Dulles (probably the most powerful man in Europe during WW2 within the OSS (which was the predecessor of the CIA), long term CIA director and fired by JFK eventually), John Jay McCloy (former president of the World Bank, former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank and former U.S. High Commissioner for Germany, which was the real ruler over Germany and the entirety of central Europe after WW2). Names like Henry Kissinger and Alan Greenspan were associates, etc. Alan Dulles and John Jay McCloy were part of the so-called Warren Commission, which was supposed to investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy (shocker, eh!?) Allen Dulles, one of the long term directors of the CFR, engineered the very important money-connections between the Rockefeller family and a very, very powerful group, which was supposed to be merely a connective link between the USA and Europe. If you're interesting in getting to the bottom of it, I'd start with these links for some background info, assuming their facts are indeed correct: http://mises.org/library/rockefeller-morgan-and-war http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/25080 http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Acriasis Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 08-2012 |
Just a thought, perhaps this secret society is a fanatical mind controlling group called "Black Swan Order" or "The Order of the Black Swan" which promotes evil and destruction through an event which comes without warning, where one is led to become a "gulliable turkey" ripe for the plucking, through keeping the person interested with hidden insights unknown to the observer with images, videos, words, etc. I came across this the other day but not much information is published about this negative cult, there was even a hollywood movie produced about it which seems to cover up most of the true information about witchcraft, evil, and overall mind manipulation. Saalome, Marcus In death we truly live, in life we truly die, for in knowledge we are bound for all existence in movement, in time, as we truly are. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 495 Registered: 09-2011 |
To understand who is behind the Satanic stuff, read about Kay Griggs, the Marine Colonel's wife. She was one of the more level-headed people who was in the thick of it. Additionally, she documented everything pretty well. Another one whose research was solid was FBI agent Ted Gunderson. He documented everything meticulously. When I met with him, he seemed to have a solid grasp of the situation. To understand the multifaceted way the CIA works, Gene 'Chip' Tatum laid it out pretty well. His documentation withstood a coordinated Federal court case. No B.S., just the straight dope, as it were. Since then many more have come forward, but even those involved have a hard time keeping up with all the players, and who is dong what - which is as it's supposed to be. Ultimately, it goes back to the (unmentionable) as all three of these, and others who have researched it, have been able to discern. Bruce says my use of the term '(unmentionable)' refers solely to the (unmentionable), but the members that insular tribal coterie are only part of it. The racist group I refer to has been around for far longer - for at least 12,000 years... This is olde stuff, a plan coming to fruition now, after so many eons, after so long that much of it is moot. But yes, Bruce, as Miss Griggs points out in one of her more prominent interviews, the (unmentionable) play a central role at keeping everyone else in line, from the Catholics to the secret Satanists. Life |
