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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1158 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Scott maybe it wasn't such a good idea afterall. Even if times have changed and so has people something may need more time than most. | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2013 |
Hi all Courtesy of Bruce's translated extract at beam2eng.blogspot.com.au of contact 582, I have read about the customs and border control on Erra: "Ausserdem ist ein absolut freier Verkehr mit Gütern und Personen auf ganz Erra gegeben, wobei diesbezüglich äusserste Sorgfalt darauf verwendet wird, dass keinerlei florische oder faunaische Samen oder gar Pflanzen, wie aber auch keine faunaische Lebensformen von einem Gebiet in ein anderes transportiert werden, wie das leider gegenteilig auf der Erde durch die dumme und unvernünftige Globalisierung der Fall ist, durch die viel Schaden entsteht und wodurch kommend noch allerlei Unheil angerichtet werden wird." "Furthermore an absolutely free circulation of goods and persons on the whole of Erra is given, wherein regarding this extreme care is taken that no flora or fauna seeds or even plants, as well as any fauna forms of life are transported from one region to another, as unfortunately the opposite is the case on the earth through the stupid and irrational globalization, by which originates much damage and wherethrough all sorts of coming calamities are yet to be wrought." (Bruce's translation). Does this mean that botanic gardens which are cultivating exotic specimens is wrong? | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2013 |
Greetings once again The materialistic atheist would say that all progress in nature, when it comes to humans, animals, plants, etc., are due to accidental yet beneficial mutations, which advantage individuals, thus providing those a better chance to procreate, in turn propagating the physiological alteration. But, is this the whole truth? Or is there also a finer factor influencing development? My query concerns animals particularly... | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2013 |
Greetings once over There have been reports of dolphins in captivity self-asphyxiating by closing their breathing nostrils, but is the creature actually choosing to do so? Is the dolphin actually capable of committing suicide or is its refusal to breath actually a physiological reaction triggered by an intolerable anguish and turmoil that has reached a threshold that is unbearable? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1029 Registered: 06-2008 |
The natural world ..... a garden of peace ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8nN0vlUVU     Cheers. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2013 |
A Virus? Billy has already indicated that massive die off of ocean life will happen due to BP oil spill; Fukushima Daiichi reactor disaster; warming of the ocean currents and other human made pollutants all contribute. The media is not mentioning these issues regarding the Sea Stars! There is probably much more die off of other critters that we are not aware of yet? Ken Tuesday, November 18, 2014 · Virus linked to mass die-off of sea stars · Scientists now believe a virus may be responsible for killing millions of sea stars from California to Alaska. But is it part of a natural cycle, or are humans to blame? · Grisly sea-star deaths are continuing to litter the tidelands with decaying, ghostly goo, but scientists now believe they, at least, may have identified the culprit. · New evidence suggests a mysterious wasting disease killing sea stars by the millions may be the result of a virus that has been found in starfish since at least the 1940s, according to new research published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. · But it remains unclear if the pathogen’s current deadly spread is part of a complex natural cycle — or whether blame for this massive die-off is linked in some way to climate change, souring seas or other harm humans have inflicted on the ocean. · Either way, the gruesome deaths are still spreading, confounding scientists and threatening to fundamentally transform marine systems along thousands of miles of Pacific Ocean coastline. · “This is the sea-star-removal experiment of the century. It’s pretty staggering,” said C. Drew Harvell, a marine epidemiologist from Cornell University based at Friday Harbor Labs on San Juan Island. “The ecological impact is going to be huge.” · And researchers still have no clue when the dying might end. · Sea-star wasting produces white spots on starfish and causes their limbs to curl, writhe and contort. Their bodies then appear to deflate or dissolve, their arms dripping away or breaking off until the animals disintegrate into goopy white smears on the seafloor. · This isn’t the first time a so-called wasting disease has struck the West Coast, but the outbreak that surfaced first in Washington in 2013 is on a scale unlike anything ever recorded. Previous mass die-offs of sea stars occurred during El Niño events in the early 1980s and late 1990s, leading scientists to presume there were links between ocean warming and the disease. · That’s why researchers had hoped, as this summer slid into fall and ocean temperatures cooled, the disease that has hit some 20 species of sea star might actually slow or halt its spread. · Instead, sea-star-rich coves off northern Vancouver Island that seemed unaffected just six weeks ago have since been hit one after another. The disease has spread to tidal areas as far north as Sitka, Alaska. · One remote swath of private shore south of Santa Barbara, Calif., appears so far to have escaped unscathed. But along the U.S. West Coast, “there really aren’t any big areas of coastline left unaffected at this point,” said Pete Raimondi, a marine evolutionary biologist at the University of California, Santa Cruz. · In fact, divers enlisted to monitor sea stars report places once home to thousands of the creatures now are often home to just five or six. Where divers used to see dozens of steering-wheel-sized 24-armed sunflower stars, they recently surveyed 17 sites and saw just two. · “In East Sound on Orcas Island alone there were probably 3,000 ochre stars at the beginning of the summer,” Harvell said. “There were maybe 10 at the end.” · Below the Coupeville wharf on Whidbey Island in August, diver Jan Kocian found the pasty remnants of melted stars — but also saw dozens of orange, brown and blue ones still wrapped snugly around pilings. · By last week, all those were gone, too. · “For divers seeing sea stars isn’t usually too exciting,” Kocian said. “They don’t move too fast, they don’t do too much and you’re used to seeing them. Now I go down and say, ‘Wow, I saw a sea star today.’ ” · A natural check? · Harvell and her colleagues, particularly Cornell microbiologist Ian Hewson, have spent more than a year investigating the phenomenon. The way the disease spread suggested early on that die-offs were somehow linked to an infectious agent. · So Hewson examined tissue samples and compared the genetic structure of sick stars and healthy stars. He found a type of parvovirus far more present in sick stars than in healthy ones. Researchers injected healthy stars with virus-sized particles from sick stars. After about two weeks, those stars, too, became sick. · Scientists collected hundreds of sea stars and found most of the stars that contained the virus also were sick. And they determined that the virus potentially could be spread through water, without requiring direct contact between starfish. Hewson even visited museums and took tissue samples from sea stars collected over decades and found evidence of the virus dating to 1942. · So if this is the virus potentially responsible for the outbreak, why is it wreaking so much havoc now? · Hewson said some reports had suggested that sea-star populations a few years ago seemed extraordinarily high. Crabbers had reported pulling mountains of them from their pots. Did the virus mutate from something relatively benign as the abundance of its sea-star hosts skyrocketed — a sort-of natural check on sea-star populations? · “Viruses do play a role in maintaining and controlling populations that undergo huge outbreaks,” Hewson said. “There are also decadal or half-century cycles.” · But it’s also true that environmental stress can make animals more susceptible to diseases they might have fought off under other conditions. The problem is, there doesn’t appear to be any clear signal on which stressor is playing a role. · Scientists have looked at pollution, marine discharges and shipping channels where invasive species may spread. · “Nothing categorically points to a single cause,” Raimondi said. “It’s just very cryptic.” · Initially scientists suspected there might be a link to a period of unseasonably warm ocean temperatures. Warm temperatures often help diseases spread and that appeared important in earlier outbreaks. · But it doesn’t always seem to be the case here. The areas where sea stars first began dying was close to shore, where marine temperatures weren’t extraordinary high. And the recent spread into Alaska came well after waters started to cool. · “These associations are super difficult to make,” Raimondi said. “You can sometimes find connections between warm water and the disease, but nothing that really makes sense in terms of the physiology.” · Some scientists also wonder if oxygen-depleted dead zones or ocean acidification — changes in marine chemistry as oceans absorb excess carbon-dioxide emissions — have somehow made sea stars more vulnerable. · “That’s not out of the realm of possibility ... but we just don’t have the observations to make a case for it,” Raimondi said. · Ecosystem hit · While scientists continue to try and figure out how and why the disease is spreading, no one is exactly sure what to expect in the future. · Sea stars are such an important species to nearshore environments that their absence is already changing many areas. On Whidbey Island, green urchin populations are exploding. In Howe Sound, north of Vancouver, a similar phenomenon already is eliminating sea grasses typically used by young spot prawns. · “It’s going to have a dramatic impact on the ecosystem,” Hewson said. · In a few isolated sites, perhaps half a dozen, baby sea stars again are starting to grow, sometimes in very large numbers. But the good news is tempered by new surprises. · One of the places hit only moderately in 2013 — the Washington coast, just off Olympic National Park — is this fall being ravaged anew. · “We thought it was just one of those places that had escaped the real wrath of this,” Raimondi said. “But now it’s being hit very, very hard again, and that’s discouraging.” · Harvell hopes that as winter comes and water temperatures drop even more, the spread to the north — where scientists had hoped healthy sea-star communities would eventually help repopulate the West Coast — will finally slow. But even if that happens, she still worries about what spring will bring. · “Every day I wake up and wish I knew what was going to happen next,” she said. http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025043554_seastarvirusxml.html   | ||
Jose_barreto_silva Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2012 |
OM: THE SOUND OF CREATION https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BylKjcBcDs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84VIZ6d0nUk7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84VIZ6d0nUk7 ******* Buch OM 32:1979. “Um die Wahrheit zu begraben, dazu gibt es nicht genug Schaufeln.” ...und jene, die versuchen, schliesslich ihre eigenen Gräber graben... - Billy Meier Der wahrliche Prophet der Neuzeit | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1328 Registered: 07-2005 |
Anyone ever asked themselves whether all celestial objects can be moved via technical means. Other than Semjase's reference to irresponsible ET space travellers new to intersteller travel accidently flinging off large asteroid or planet like objects with their propulsion drive I have not come across any information on whether a whole active sun can be moved at will. If this is possible then creating a solar system conducive for inhabitation by higher lifeforms is not only possible but a regular occurrance among ET civilisations. Stretching the bow a bit further then creating a whole galaxy would also be possible seeing as if you can destroy it I don't see why you can't go the other way. I wonder why Gilgamesh's people didn't or couldn't do it were they not technically developed enough at the time? What about Nokodemjon why didn't he also create a whole galaxy knowing the impending destruction of his galaxy to come or was he also restricted by the limitation of his under developed technical knowledge? What about the Sonians could they perhaps go shopping around to colliding galaxies and maybe borrow a billion stars and planet or two to make their own home improvement style? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 507 Registered: 09-2011 |
Howdy Matt Lee, I have also puzzled over the artificial movement of celestial objects. Of course, moving celestially-significant objects can affect the balance other objects moving in the galaxy, or even the universe. The galaxy, even the universe seems to be extremely delicately balanced, with some objects having even more influence than others for a given size. Additionally, over time, at this scale, matter phases into and out of existence. Because of the extremely subtle impacts of all of the variables, we can likely never fully predict every impact of every celestial object in the universe for the rest of the universe's existence. Thus, it's probably irresponsible to move even small celestial objects without a very good reason. This brings to fore the question of what is the maximum size spaceship that can reasonably be built, in terms of mass, before its impacts are felt at the celestial level. In different parts of space, this determination may be different. For a portable artificial environment that could be moved to as many places as possible, we would want that size to be as small as possible, although as large as necessary. If the moon Phobos can be an example, it weighs in around tens of quintillions of tons. If we could hollow it out, removing say 90% of the mass, it would still weigh on the order of quintillions of tons. However, I do suspect that some sorta mass-nullification effects can be artificially induced. I say this because as large as the Great Spacer craft is, centrifugal forces would have to be artificially managed. It seems to me that managing centrifugal forces and nullifying mass would be related processes, and if we can manage one we can probably manage the other. If we can interject the idea of artificially-separated spatial bubbles, there may be a way to 'hide' from the rest of the universe the effects of any mass/energies within the bubble. If this can be expanded to the size of say a small artificial solar system, that could potentially be moved around, from place to place. Life | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Newinitiation, I often wondered why the High Council will NOT allow permission for certain cosmic events to be interfered with from their natural coarse. To create a galaxy would take billions of years for planets (earth 600 billion old) to start to support life. Maybe that is why Nokodemion did not do that, if he could. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1329 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael I guess its not as easy as I thought even with highly developed technology. You bring up a good point about how delicate the universal balance is. If galaxies can be destroyed through chain reaction and Asket repeatedly told Meier about the dangers the destruction of earth will pose to the rest of the solar system and beyond through the flying debris then you can only conclude that its not a good idea to tinker with the planetary order by realigning it. Well no wonder the spirit forms are busy in the beyond taking care of this business no highly developed physical ET forms can do. And no wonder Noko came back. cheers | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1330 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah good idea Vincent no wonder Noko let his home galaxy to pass. As for galaxies taking Billions of years yeah this too I agree with its just that as we speak the plethora of mining activities going on this planet is inexorably changing the earth and nature. This we are able to do with very very simple technology compared to ET technology ( http://www.krupprobins.com/Gallery/Mining%20Gallery/mininggallery.html ) So can you imagine what this can do ( http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Great_Spacer ) I mean the Plejaren can simply displace a planet's orbit and turn it into another destroyer not to mention turn it into pure energy, whatever that means so I am thinking that maybe they can rearrange stars and planets by taking it from point A (say Andromeda Galaxy) and place it next to our solar system (point B) with their highly evolved technologies. There will be no need for outdated methods like geoengineering to revitalize desolated planets like Mars when they could simply bring it into the same orbit as earth but on the opposite side of the sun so that it doesn't collide not to mention diverting huge quantities of water from space and other vital lifeforms to turn it into a second earth once again. If our sun is a dying star then how about taking Mars to another solarsystem or even to our twin sun 1 light year away and make it habitable so that when our sun causes problems all we have to do it migrate to Mars rather than look for another habitable planet many light years away. Obviously this is just an intellectual exercise and wishful thinking on my part he he | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 04-2013 |
Newinitiation, Interesting theory or intellectual exercise as you say. “Taking Mars to our twin sun 1 light year away.” Moving Mars; would that not only have an effect on our solar system but also affect the twin solar system due to differences in gravity issues? Yes, the twin solar system is a split second removed from our system; conversely, is it proven that gravitational influence does not impart an affect beyond our current dimension? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1338 Registered: 07-2005 |
Good point Kenneth and one that I haven't thought about. I also wonder what would happen if you displace a large body out of an existing order and reintroduce it to a different system knowing what catastrophes the gravitational effect of the destroyer comet had wrought to earth in our ancient past culled from the annals not to mention the destructive effect Malona's explosion had on top of the introduction of Mercury and our present day moon to our solar system as well as the displacement of our two ancient prehistoric moons. Although if I may add in retrospect the mere fact that life on earth continued after these catastrophic events to the point where we are able to post comments in such a forum as this is an indication that life is possible even after the displacement of planets, moons and other bodies giving us a clue as to what is possible with highly developed technologies. And because of it I am also suspecting that when criminals were deported to earth millions of years ago and as recently as hundreds and tens of thousands of years ago when Pelegon, Arus, Henok, Atlant, Orionians who built the Pyramids and Pleja's father colonised the earth I do believe that they didn't simply resort to modifying their physiques to adapt to earth's harsh conditions but they may have also changed the earth's orbit around the sun either closer or further to make it more habitable for themselves. In the end I don't know other than to conjecture about the intelligent point that you've raised. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1351 Registered: 07-2005 |
There is good documentary about Aliens on the moon and even huffington post did a piece on it. From giant alien craft to stations to giant crafts sucking energy out from the sun and then leaving a trail to huge satellite dishes to giant mining equipments to chimney excreting smoke to the appollo space mission coverup to cowardly Buzz Aldrin still being evasive as Berney Madoff to giant buildings and 25km high towers its all covered in this documentary. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfe0OJ2ruo8 | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 04-2013 |
Newinitiation, This so called documentary is designed for one purpose; to make money. The majority of the photographs are out of focus; can’t really tell what they are? Imagination and Digital Graphics then makes a clear picture of what the inventor wants them to be. If Extraterrestrials have the technology to travel vast distances through space and even from other dimensions which is a fraction of a second shifted from our own; do you really think that they need a satellite dish on the moon to communicate? The photo of the so called UFO over china was the contrail aftermath of a rocket launch, not a UFO. Film narrator: “What can explain this enormous disc shaped craft navigating over the moon”; convenient choice of words. Look closely, it has a doughnut shape appearance; this is space debris from our own rocket missions. One of the few correct segments was what Amy Shara Teitel; Space Flight Historian said that is right on point! “The sheer number of websites, blogs, social media and everything dedicated to UFO’s and aliens, really explains how much we want to believe in alien life and UFO’s.” Another believable segment is one of the advertisements: “Building aircraft, the likes that the world has never seen, this is what we do; Northrop Grumman”. That is factual. There is this M Chrissie area on the Moon depicting a “creator with embattlements on top with a possible single cannon defending a nuclear complex”, seriously? This is narrated by Ron Collins, a self proclaimed Lunar researcher; who also happens to be a filmographer wanting selling books and videos. All photos are blurred except when reconstructed or redesigned with Computer Generated Imagery. I know that you’re excited about the ET issues; nothing wrong with that; we need to be realistic, this kind of stuff is getting us nowhere; this documentary is nonsense! Yes there are Extraterrestrials and they have been to Mars, the Moon, Earth and elsewhere. This documentary is not proof, unfortunately it’s all conjecture. Billy has all kinds of proof that is documented with photos, contacts and documentaries that have been substantiated. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1352 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks for your views Kenneth According to Billy somewhere in the CR he talks about moon bases made by the Giza Intelligences. There are various disclosure witnesses willing to testify under oath in front of congress that indeed there were artificial structures on the moon and photos of it that NASA had been airbrushing off since they started sending space probes to the moon. So if you filter out all the extraneous noise from this cable program and focus on the main crux of the issue it does corroborate nicely with what Billy has been saying. Obviously this program is another psyops designed to acculturate the masses to the idea of the all too familiar ruse of ET threat to earthlings that ties nicely with the military industrial complex's narratives and their nefarious agendas but make of it what you will between the two dichotomies of positive and negative I got more positives out of this program. Together with the evidence from other sources it is just too compelling to ignore that indeed there are artificial structures on the moon. My assumption is that some were already there even before the moon had been dragged into earth's orbit by the destroyer comet. As for artificial structure on Mars that's another story that deserves a whole new page. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 978 Registered: 07-2009 |
I think that Kenneth is correct. Additionally, Meier said that there are no terrestrials on the moon or Mars. As far as the Huffington Post goes, most UFO related information is posted by Lee Speigal, who is a profiteering denier of the Meier case. He's another one who would soon be completely irrelevant and out of a job if the authenticity of the Meier case became known…let alone admitted by him. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 06-2013 |
Maybe that moon documentary is part of scare campaign US plans to do for future hoax alien attack? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 04-2013 |
Newinitiation, This is not saying that Extraterrestrials have not been on Mars or the moon; just saying that regarding this documentary; there is no collaborative evidence; it’s strictly designed for making a profit by methods considered unethical. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1356 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael have you contacted Lee Spiegal before? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1357 Registered: 07-2005 |
Kenneth I appreciate your point of view on the doco. Unless I've missed something I frequently heard the disclaimer 'appears to be', 'what looks to be', 'looks like' when they were describing these alledged alien structures. Obviously no one truly knows exactly what they are unless we send out an expedition crew to find out so naturally the viewer would suspend their judgement until more truths comes to light although the evidence is just too compelling. As for me I've seen the original NASA images without the doctoring this doco used via a gentleman named John Lear many years back. In terms of ethical issues you cite I don't quite understand where you are coming from. I saw this doco for free over the youtube and there is nothing wrong with charging money for this video for production costs etc, I just happened to bump into this for-cable-program so if copyright infringement too place I guess they'll just take the video down. Regarding the collaborative evidence you bring up maybe the language the narrator used wasn't neutral but then again I don't know about other viewers but someone like me who has dealt with enough information on these subjects for a number of years from a wide variety of sources plus to find that it is corroborated somewhat by Billy makes for a strong case to endorse 'some' but obviously not all content in this video. I do understand that as a student of Billy it would be preferable if the whole world conformed to the whole truth and nothing but the truth but that's some 800 years away and for our societies to get there, there are stepping stones and mildstone that we must inevitably achieve and reach to get there. So from my perspective at least these documentaries dealing with such controversial topics with less than adequate truths contained yet enough in it to go by represent a step in the right direction and would help the cause of the truth in the long run. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 980 Registered: 07-2009 |
> I've sent Speigel many pieces of info. He's a stubborn guy who's into chasing lights-in-the-sky…and maintianing a job writing. |
